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| 13:52.59 | hramrach | Hello |
| 13:53.35 | hramrach | Is there a manual for quik? |
| 13:54.39 | hramrach | it can load any kernel I tell it to but it won't load any initrd so it's useless |
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| 17:41.19 | Bor_Ed | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/wontboot.php should do for a starters |
| 17:42.12 | Bor_Ed | the site has other articles about quik too |
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| 18:41.02 | simonrvn | initrd= |
| 18:42.30 | Bor_Ed | ~o/ |
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| 18:50.27 | simonrvn | hey |
| 18:51.30 | Bor_Ed | long time no see again... been too busy with 'work' to idle in irc :/ |
| 18:52.14 | simonrvn | i have too, either sittin' here or rl |
| 18:52.37 | simonrvn | been well? |
| 18:54.36 | Bor_Ed | money probs as always, though got transfer to new job inside the cave and it starts on 12th current so at least motivation is up again |
| 19:07.52 | pahartik | Hello Bor_Ed, simonrvn |
| 19:08.20 | Bor_Ed | go kväll |
| 19:14.29 | pahartik | still does not have job |
| 19:16.02 | Bor_Ed | got a new one as permanent on r&d, tampere gig opened some doors :) |
| 19:24.47 | simonrvn | hey pahartik |
| 19:24.56 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: nice :) |
| 19:26.51 | Bor_Ed | yup, it was about time too to get a real job :) |
| 19:52.17 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: got 3 jobs currently and still can't cope with the rising pile of bills :/ |
| 19:53.24 | hramrach | Bor_Ed: not helpful, that's why I am asking |
| 19:56.10 | Bor_Ed | hramrach: tried to drop the initrd= line simonrvn suggested? and it'd help a lot if we'd know what hardware and version you're trying |
| 19:56.38 | hramrach | qemu-system-ppc |
| 19:56.56 | hramrach | 0.12.3 |
| 19:57.30 | Bor_Ed | qemu... should work with yaboot |
| 19:57.47 | hramrach | quik is what the Debian installer installs |
| 19:58.04 | hramrach | and there is no docs I could find on the boot process interaction |
| 19:58.35 | hramrach | I can configure stuff in the config file but I cannot boot when the configuration does not work for me |
| 19:58.44 | Bor_Ed | install yaboot or grub2 instead of default on that environment, quik is meant for oldworld macs and other obsoleted gear |
| 19:58.58 | hramrach | because I can load a kernel but don't know how to load an initrd |
| 19:59.24 | hramrach | why does d-i install it then? |
| 20:00.24 | Bor_Ed | which version of deb you're trying to install? and debian has never (imho) been up to selecting right bootloader |
| 20:01.12 | hramrach | Still the thing which is on the d-i CD is broken, it does not work with serial console so I guess quik was a good choice |
| 20:01.22 | hramrach | 5.0.4 |
| 20:01.47 | hramrach | it's installed already but there are glitches |
| 20:03.02 | Bor_Ed | I don't think there's support for quik on that anymore... last time I had success with quik and deb was on 4.something |
| 20:03.38 | hramrach | it works wuite well as long as you don't want to load a kernel manually |
| 20:04.07 | hramrach | which may sort of work but I could not find any dosc for that case |
| 20:04.23 | Bor_Ed | you might want to try grub2 instead of quik as bootloader on the setup |
| 20:04.25 | hramrach | apparently the CD uses yaboot so that is a no-go |
| 20:04.48 | hramrach | I have grub2 on pc already - quite flaky if you ask me |
| 20:06.53 | Bor_Ed | I know... but I run deb/ppc only on real hardware and know that quik can be problematic even there, dunno about emulated environment but I'd think it's the same |
| 20:07.38 | hramrach | so the choice is broken or problematic .. which I already have |
| 20:07.49 | simonrvn | quik works well when it's 'happy' |
| 20:08.11 | hramrach | yes, but documentation for the case when it is not happy is missing |
| 20:08.20 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: amen... but usually it just isn't as you've heard from here too |
| 20:09.30 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: and emulated environment should be able to run yaboot/grub2 instead afaik better than quik hacks |
| 20:09.44 | hramrach | I guess I will keep quik as it works now and I know how to fix it should it break |
| 20:10.10 | hramrach | Bor_Ed: I cannot run yaboot with serial console at all |
| 20:10.25 | hramrach | had to connect a virtual graphics to run the d-i which uses yaboot |
| 20:13.19 | hramrach | Is there any chance that the d-i CDs would work over serial console in the future? |
| 20:16.05 | Bor_Ed | you need to ask in #debian for that |
| 20:16.15 | Bor_Ed | or mailing list |
| 20:16.17 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: for sure. and no it doesn't work on fake hardware. |
| 20:16.54 | simonrvn | te mailing lists would be best for that debian-powerpc, -user, -devel perhaps |
| 20:16.55 | hramrach | do you mean that the qemu virtual machine is broken in some way? |
| 20:17.01 | Bor_Ed | hramrach: ^ as simon says |
| 20:17.03 | simonrvn | no, quik is old |
| 20:17.16 | hramrach | but unlike yaboot it works |
| 20:17.26 | simonrvn | it's closer to lilo/silo in many ways |
| 20:17.28 | hramrach | and unlike grub2 it is stable |
| 20:17.47 | simonrvn | grub2 is very much WIP on ppc |
| 20:18.07 | hramrach | it is so in x86 as well |
| 20:18.21 | simonrvn | people are starting to get some success with it on nw mac ppc, but ow i think may still be iffy. |
| 20:18.39 | simonrvn | works fine on my x86 box here |
| 20:18.58 | simonrvn | ok, coffee, then i need to get ready to go to drum practice |
| 20:19.21 | hramrach | well, unless it breaks it works for me as well. the problem is it does break from time to time, like ever few months |
| 20:19.58 | hramrach | have a nice drumming then :-) |
| 20:20.43 | simonrvn | yeh, i've seen it do dumb things here too |
| 20:20.47 | simonrvn | thanks |