| 00:01.12 | aiux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.32 | aiux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.31 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.37 | gnarface | yea that'd be a great plan aiux |
| 00:49.58 | gnarface | i have been wishing since i bought this thing in 2001 that it had more video ram |
| 00:50.08 | gnarface | unfortunately i'm just not that good with a soldering iron... |
| 00:50.18 | simonrvn | you can always try the X -configure way and edit that and mv your old one out of the way. |
| 00:50.42 | gnarface | simonrvn: just fails utterly. X -configure can't handle these video cards sanely. |
| 00:51.36 | simonrvn | no, in general they're only good for x86. |
| 00:51.37 | aiux | gnarface, sure it can , is an ordinary old ati |
| 00:51.56 | simonrvn | worth a shot anyway |
| 00:52.01 | gnarface | well it's an r128 mobile with only 8 megs of ram |
| 00:52.11 | gnarface | it's weird that x is reporting it found 10 |
| 00:52.13 | gnarface | i'm sure it didn't grow |
| 00:52.35 | gnarface | and X -configure really really doesn't draw a usable xorg.conf i just tested that |
| 00:52.35 | simonrvn | you can specify the amount of vram. |
| 00:52.40 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:52.42 | aiux | gnarface, he not reporting it, he ask for it |
| 00:52.53 | gnarface | OH |
| 00:52.58 | gnarface | it's saying it NEEDs 10 megs of ram |
| 00:53.08 | gnarface | but isn't that just so it can do DRI or something? |
| 00:53.12 | gnarface | i mean |
| 00:53.14 | gnarface | it works |
| 00:53.15 | simonrvn | probably |
| 00:53.15 | gnarface | X starts |
| 00:53.17 | gnarface | i see it running |
| 00:53.32 | gnarface | i can even open programs - so long as it only requires the mouse to do so |
| 00:53.51 | simonrvn | it's detecting the kbd at all? what debian version? |
| 00:53.52 | gnarface | it's even in the right resolution (1154x768 or something weird and widescreen ilke that) |
| 00:53.56 | simonrvn | not det* |
| 00:53.58 | gnarface | debian squeeze |
| 00:54.02 | gnarface | it detects the keyboard 4 times |
| 00:54.10 | gnarface | 3 times as some sort of ADB thing not on the system |
| 00:54.12 | simonrvn | yeh that's normal |
| 00:54.13 | gnarface | and once as a virtual keyboard |
| 00:54.20 | simonrvn | it's on there i'm sure |
| 00:54.28 | simonrvn | tibook right? |
| 00:54.33 | gnarface | yea series one |
| 00:54.35 | gnarface | g4 500 |
| 00:54.47 | gnarface | it USED to work |
| 00:54.58 | simonrvn | it's there. one of the last with an adb bus on it for the kbd |
| 00:55.04 | gnarface | this is the second time upgrading squeeze killed the keyboard in X too |
| 00:55.15 | gnarface | last time i fixed it but i can't figure out how now |
| 00:55.23 | simonrvn | could you pastebin your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 00:55.28 | gnarface | scroll up |
| 00:55.28 | gnarface | i did |
| 00:55.31 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:55.40 | aiux | http://pastebin.com/t9qJQC9e |
| 00:56.23 | gnarface | surely the fact it cant get enough ram to do direct rendering isn't affecting the keyboard? |
| 00:56.26 | aiux | gnarface, first lesson : don't upgrade ;) |
| 00:56.43 | simonrvn | do you have an fb driver loaded? |
| 00:56.51 | simonrvn | no, different issue |
| 00:57.13 | aiux | i kidding |
| 00:57.15 | gnarface | aiux: i have SO learned my lesson but this time it was necessary because I had to get the damned thing onto a WPA wireless network |
| 00:57.34 | simonrvn | ah also you might want EXA accel, not this XAA crap |
| 00:57.48 | gnarface | can i do that on this machine? |
| 00:57.53 | gnarface | work better? |
| 00:59.24 | aiux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.25 | gnarface | i disabled that XAA thing anyway. i think it just made X crash on startup or scramle the screen (all grainy then slowly washes out to white... looks like the LCD is melting. quite alarming the first time you see it happen) |
| 00:59.48 | simonrvn | no, it's just an accel model. |
| 01:00.09 | gnarface | i was at one point trying to get compiz fusion running on it then i realized that even if 8MB of video ram could have possibly been enough it's not like the hardware would be able to draw any of that opengl stuff fast enough anyway |
| 01:00.39 | simonrvn | nah, you'd only get swraster for gl |
| 01:00.48 | simonrvn | that log said as much |
| 01:01.20 | gnarface | trying to get this damned thing working again is like a sick obsession that i just need to kick |
| 01:01.41 | gnarface | if only i could buy a new video card for it |
| 01:01.52 | simonrvn | try commenting out the inputdevice sections completely |
| 01:01.58 | gnarface | tried that. no change |
| 01:02.03 | gnarface | i'll post the log so you can see though |
| 01:02.08 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 01:02.24 | simonrvn | yes, thanks |
| 01:02.47 | simonrvn | that "Mouseemu virtual keyboard: dropping event due to full queue!" shit is weird |
| 01:02.55 | simonrvn | did you try googling that? |
| 01:04.01 | simonrvn | i found that exa worked better on the ati cards. |
| 01:04.16 | simonrvn | ppc, x86, didn't matter |
| 01:05.31 | aiux | cool, thanks simonrvn |
| 01:07.36 | simonrvn | did you try no conf at all gnarface ? |
| 01:07.41 | aiux | so de_install mouseemu to test |
| 01:08.12 | simonrvn | yeh, that seems to be an issue there.. it (Xorg) unloads evdev even |
| 01:08.38 | simonrvn | 660. (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" |
| 01:08.43 | gnarface | han gon |
| 01:08.49 | simonrvn | 669. (II) Mouseemu virtual keyboard: Close |
| 01:09.04 | gnarface | yea i think i tried with no conf and it explodes (melting LCD screen) the same way X -configure's generated config does |
| 01:09.34 | simonrvn | what was the drive it used in the generated conf? |
| 01:09.37 | simonrvn | driver* |
| 01:09.49 | gnarface | http://pastebin.com/NRnDHyUG |
| 01:09.53 | simonrvn | (probably fbdev or such) |
| 01:10.06 | gnarface | here's the log for it without any input device blocks |
| 01:10.38 | gnarface | here's the config for that just to be pedantic: http://pastebin.com/SL31MZiY |
| 01:11.07 | gnarface | ok now de install mouseemu? |
| 01:11.12 | gnarface | or what? |
| 01:11.21 | aiux | remove it |
| 01:11.30 | gnarface | dpkg --purge remove? |
| 01:11.31 | gnarface | what's it for? |
| 01:11.34 | gnarface | why is it even there? |
| 01:11.40 | simonrvn | remove it yes. seems to confuse the hell out of the x server |
| 01:11.47 | aiux | emulate 3 button mouse |
| 01:12.01 | simonrvn | good question ;). probably some other package recommended it.... |
| 01:12.28 | simonrvn | could probably do that with -synaptics |
| 01:16.03 | aiux | and, if removing it will remove all desktop ;-( |
| 01:18.00 | gnarface | that worked! |
| 01:18.12 | gnarface | mouseemu left peacefully and now my keyboard works in X again!!! thanks guys! |
| 01:18.27 | aiux | win gnarface! |
| 01:18.32 | gnarface | now if i could just figure out how to get mouse buttons #2 and #3 working again |
| 01:18.46 | aiux | install it |
| 01:18.58 | gnarface | it's only got one mouse button so i had them mapped to my f10 and f11 keys with some lines in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 01:19.12 | gnarface | but they've completely overhauled X input devices since i did that, do you guys know how to now? |
| 01:19.58 | gnarface | wait |
| 01:20.05 | gnarface | are you saying mouseemu was necessary for the other two mouse buttons? |
| 01:20.13 | aiux | gnarface, file a bugreport against mouseemu |
| 01:20.25 | gnarface | i'd like to file charges against it |
| 01:20.31 | gnarface | rape charges |
| 01:20.52 | gnarface | alright |
| 01:21.00 | gnarface | well thanks for your help guys |
| 01:21.03 | gnarface | it's been educational |
| 01:21.34 | gnarface | any advice for a really good laptop model to install linux on? i miss my old thinkpad that came with 100% working hardware |
| 01:21.34 | aiux | gnarface, moment , your mouse has X buttons , right ? so X== ? |
| 01:22.00 | gnarface | aiux: the "mouse" is the mac laptop built-in track pad where X == 1 |
| 01:22.11 | aiux | heh , ok |
| 01:22.13 | gnarface | even though mind-bogglingly the log file is now reporting it has 4 buttons |
| 01:22.23 | gnarface | i blinked at that twice |
| 01:22.54 | gnarface | but right now only the actual physical button works |
| 01:23.04 | aiux | gnarface, use a PC mouse ... 3 buttons |
| 01:23.17 | gnarface | yea maybe i should just do that for now |
| 01:23.23 | gnarface | i hated binding them to F?? keys |
| 01:23.28 | gnarface | but it was better than nothing |
| 01:25.50 | aiux | no spare PC mouse ? it works great in debian on mac_mac hardware |
| 01:26.19 | aiux | usb , i meant |
| 01:26.24 | gnarface | it's not about a lack of spares, it's about a lack of USB spares |
| 01:26.35 | gnarface | but i could just go to staples and buy a cheap one if it wasn't really about portability |
| 01:26.46 | gnarface | who wants to have a laptop you have to carry a mouse just to use? |
| 01:26.54 | gnarface | i might as well just stay home at my desk then |
| 01:28.43 | aiux | like carry a mouse than using ... do no even how it is called ...sxxxxx |
| 01:37.56 | gnarface | maybe i should drill a hole in the side and wire my own mouse buttons right into the usb buss |
| 01:45.17 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 01:45.22 | gnarface | well it's been fun guys |
| 01:45.25 | gnarface | thanks again for the help |
| 01:45.32 | gnarface | i'm off to break something else now |
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| 03:07.16 | klh | anyone in here got emac G4 ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] |
| 03:07.28 | klh | or familiar with getting X to work with that? |
| 03:09.52 | aiux | klh, salut ;) hehe |
| 03:10.05 | klh | hello |
| 03:10.40 | aiux | on va voir ca demain , ok ? |
| 03:11.18 | klh | pidgin needs translate plugin |
| 03:11.29 | klh | ok |
| 03:11.33 | klh | yeah that works |
| 03:11.58 | klh | thank you aiux |
| 03:12.03 | aiux | yw |
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| 03:18.04 | aiux | that worked .. |
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| 04:26.02 | Hobbes` | how does one stop mac_hid from sending both F11 and middle-click ? |
| 04:27.50 | pahartik | Hobbes`: "sudo apt-get install mouseemu" |
| 04:28.04 | Hobbes` | pahartik I'd done that earlier ... mousemu had some other issues |
| 04:28.49 | Hobbes` | setting mac_hid was working fine for me a for a few years |
| 04:29.40 | Hobbes` | now over the past few months .. it's made pasting stuff a pain as every paste is prefixed by a F11 or a Shift+F11 |
| 04:30.22 | Hobbes` | here is sample paste -- 2~paste |
| 04:31.35 | pahartik | Hobbes`: I assume one can downgrade to older X11 server |
| 04:35.26 | Hobbes` | never thought it was an X11 issue |
| 04:36.28 | Hobbes` | got rid of F11 using xmodmap .. now it works fine |
| 04:52.29 | pahartik | Hobbes`: Very good |
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| 07:51.11 | kelsoo | klh: re emac, there are several xorg.conf's on my site if you care to trawl. http://oswaldkelso.blogspot.com/2009/12/pragmarts-emac-1ghz-ati-debian-lenny.html external monitor work also with a tweek or two |
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| 17:09.25 | Bor_Ed | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/AppliedMicro-APM801xx/ |
| 17:11.01 | pahartik | Hello Bor_Ed |
| 17:11.41 | Bor_Ed | evening |
| 17:12.07 | Bor_Ed | working nowadays full day at r&d here in vaasa... 3 months in tampere wasn't for nothing :D |
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| 17:15.06 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Very good |
| 17:15.19 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 17:20.17 | simonrvn | nice Bor_Ed |
| 17:20.46 | Bor_Ed | well yea... buggr was about time too, 5 years on same companys payroll |
| 17:24.20 | simonrvn | yes, about time :) |
| 17:25.44 | Bor_Ed | too bad I've got now more to learn than in previous 5 years total :D |
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| 22:47.26 | simonrvn | hehe, should be fun then :) |
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| 23:26.58 | cesurasean1 | how to install flash on ppc? |
| 23:27.07 | cesurasean1 | debian lenny? |
| 23:27.34 | simonrvn | use gnash or swfdec |