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| 04:19.08 | gnarface | hey people I've got one of those g4-500 titanium powerboooks and i was wondering if anyone can tell me what the appropriate keymap is to set console-data to |
| 04:19.22 | gnarface | debian sid |
| 04:19.47 | gnarface | whatever i've got it set to now works right except i can't find the alt key (which makes emacs near useless) |
| 04:25.04 | gnarface | knows many people consider emacs a sin, but still would like the alt-key for enlightenment too |
| 06:34.01 | Bor_Ed | pc105 keyboard works at least in imacs... left apple key maps as alt and right as altgr |
| 06:41.51 | simonrvn | emacs is not a sin, just has many jokes around it |
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| 09:35.31 | gnarface | thanks guys |
| 09:35.46 | gnarface | when i do a dpkg-reconfigure console-data there is a listing for pc105? |
| 09:38.33 | gnarface | i don't see anything in there listed as pc105 or anything remotely like it |
| 09:38.37 | Bor_Ed | hmm, for console mode you need to copy the correct keymap from /usr/share to /etc with name boottime.kmap.gz or such |
| 09:38.51 | gnarface | that is confusing to me |
| 09:39.38 | gnarface | you're saying that "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" then choosing "select keymap from full list" won't show me a listing that contains a valid keymap for this rig? |
| 09:40.24 | gnarface | it has an extensive list but the list contains nothing with 'pc105' in the name |
| 09:40.42 | gnarface | it does contain a lot of choices that look like they *could* be correct |
| 09:40.46 | Bor_Ed | it might have... I've copied one manually since the automated tools aren't yet too happy with internationalization |
| 09:40.54 | gnarface | good to know |
| 09:40.56 | gnarface | i'm in the US |
| 09:41.04 | gnarface | you're not, i take it? |
| 09:41.11 | Bor_Ed | finland |
| 09:41.23 | gnarface | the names are like |
| 09:41.37 | gnarface | mac / qwerty / standard / US |
| 09:41.39 | gnarface | stuff like that |
| 09:41.48 | gnarface | but i don't know even whether to pick mac or pc for this one |
| 09:41.49 | Bor_Ed | try pc qwerty us |
| 09:41.53 | gnarface | ok i will |
| 09:41.54 | gnarface | stand by |
| 09:43.16 | gnarface | pc / qwerty / US American / Standard / Standard |
| 09:43.16 | gnarface | ? |
| 09:43.32 | Bor_Ed | looks like one that could work |
| 09:43.34 | gnarface | as opposed to pc / qwerty / US American / Apple USB / Standard, right? |
| 09:44.03 | Bor_Ed | best way to find out is to test every single one that looks that might work |
| 09:44.09 | gnarface | haha |
| 09:44.10 | gnarface | noted |
| 09:44.14 | gnarface | ok trying that one |
| 09:44.28 | gnarface | just to be sure, i have to do a full reboot for this to work right for the main console, right? |
| 09:44.53 | Bor_Ed | it's easiest to reboot |
| 09:49.10 | gnarface | ok this is a definite improvement |
| 09:49.53 | gnarface | at the main console (before startx) the left alt/option key (not the left apple key) is now recognized as meta in emacs |
| 09:50.07 | gnarface | but in X it doesn't work |
| 09:50.26 | gnarface | M-x inserts an omega character |
| 09:50.29 | gnarface | which is... interesting |
| 09:50.32 | gnarface | but not useful to me |
| 09:50.57 | gnarface | am i doing something wrong here? i'd like for the keymap in X11 to be the same as it is at the console, i think |
| 09:50.59 | Bor_Ed | you need to hack xmodmap for X to work |
| 09:51.08 | gnarface | sounds dangerous |
| 09:51.19 | gnarface | is that something i'd do with my ~/.xinitrc? |
| 09:51.22 | Bor_Ed | it's no biggie |
| 09:51.24 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 09:52.14 | gnarface | what's wrong with this apple thing that makes this so much more complicated than my intel boxes? |
| 09:52.35 | Bor_Ed | can't recall offhand how it was done but iirc, you need xev to find the key and then xmodmap spell to attach functionality to that key |
| 09:53.25 | Bor_Ed | apple gear is 'interesting'... though it (was) is way better than normal peecee gear so one can scratch head a second or 2 to set everything up |
| 09:54.38 | gnarface | alright |
| 09:54.42 | gnarface | thanks for your help |
| 09:54.47 | gnarface | i'll mess with it some more |
| 09:55.06 | Bor_Ed | have fun |
| 09:55.52 | Bor_Ed | hey, you could try to change xorg.conf keyboard line to pc105 too... that's a first one to try out |
| 09:56.33 | gnarface | noted |
| 09:56.53 | gnarface | xorg.conf should control keymap properly again in current debian sid? |
| 09:57.32 | gnarface | i remember having multiple issues with my mouse - ended up being related to mouseemu but my troubleshooting was compounded by the fact that the current version of xorg was ignoring certain input device parameters in xorg.conf |
| 09:57.58 | Bor_Ed | haven't checked sid updates in a while... |
| 09:58.00 | pahartik | Hello Bor_Ed |
| 09:58.04 | Bor_Ed | afternoon |
| 10:06.55 | gnarface | hmm. xev reports the left alt key as "Alt_L" on my intel box as well as on the ppc laptop |
| 10:07.08 | gnarface | using xmodmap to remap it to Meta_L has no effect |
| 10:07.27 | gnarface | it still outputs an omega character on the ppc in emacs when i try alt-x |
| 10:08.09 | gnarface | is it wrong to assume that Alt_L should be recognized as meta on the ppc box just because that's the way it works on the intel box? |
| 10:08.21 | Bor_Ed | can't really think of anything else on the prob... been a good while since I had to hack the keyboard together |
| 10:08.36 | Bor_Ed | meta should be the same on wintel and ppc |
| 10:08.54 | gnarface | something else must be screwing with it |
| 10:09.00 | gnarface | i'm suspecting xorg |
| 10:09.26 | gnarface | but my understanding of this part is weak. it always works on my intel boxes |
| 10:09.41 | gnarface | and it always DID work on this ppc - before it became "old hardware" |
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| 14:12.20 | denni1 | I changed fstab and yaboot-config from hdc to sda as squeeze kernel now shows me sda1 to sda17. It still can't find the root disk. |
| 14:12.53 | denni1 | I'll probably have to run 'sudo ybin -v' |
| 14:14.44 | denni1 | I guess that would need to be on a new debian squeeze rescue CD as well. Is there a new 'sda' kernel squeeze-ppc CD I'll have to burn to get Debian booting again? |
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| 14:19.43 | xan0 | hello? |
| 14:19.50 | denni1 | hello |
| 14:20.06 | xan0 | how are you? |
| 14:20.15 | denni1 | borked |
| 14:20.23 | xan0 | ah |
| 14:20.41 | xan0 | you think you can give me some help on installing lenny on y ibook? |
| 14:21.00 | denni1 | well lenny should be easy |
| 14:21.09 | xan0 | the yaboot boot loader won't install |
| 14:21.32 | xan0 | I would have to do the entire installation over to get to the point where it happens, might take about ten minutes |
| 14:21.37 | xan0 | I'm installing it to an external hd |
| 14:21.48 | denni1 | do you have enough partions? |
| 14:21.55 | denni1 | partitions |
| 14:22.08 | xan0 | no it does the guided partition process |
| 14:22.23 | xan0 | I erase the entire disk and start from scratch each time |
| 14:22.52 | xan0 | I mean yeah I think it makes enough |
| 14:23.04 | xan0 | I think it makes three or four |
| 14:23.14 | denni1 | ok, because it needs to make bootstrap partitions and stuff |
| 14:23.43 | xan0 | I'm booting it up right now |
| 14:23.48 | denni1 | so you trying to install on a firewire disk? |
| 14:23.54 | xan0 | yeah |
| 14:24.40 | xan0 | and if it installs correctly I want to install gnome with a flash drive |
| 14:24.54 | xan0 | but thats later I haven't tried that yet so I don't know if it deosn't work |
| 14:25.19 | denni1 | I have not read any documentation on firewire yaboot |
| 14:25.20 | xan0 | the think is I have installed it correctly before but it was to the hd in the computer. installed great, then I replaced it with os x |
| 14:25.24 | xan0 | ah |
| 14:25.32 | xan0 | so that might be the problem? |
| 14:25.56 | denni1 | well i guess internal is more tested |
| 14:26.53 | xan0 | yea |
| 14:27.50 | xan0 | it says to check var/log/syslog or virtual console 4 for details |
| 14:28.36 | denni1 | ctrl-alt-F4 has the log on show i'd guess |
| 14:28.55 | xan0 | aright that might be helpful |
| 14:29.35 | denni1 | other F buttons shuld show you the normal default screen again |
| 14:32.45 | denni1 | even though I'm not aware of firewire usage, a wild guees would be that you need to use firewire target mode each time you boot |
| 14:32.59 | xan0 | how should I go about doing that? |
| 14:35.56 | denni1 | and as mac os can unbless the boot manager each time it is perhaps better to install yaboot and bootstrap to internal harddisk and only / (root) and /home to firewire and choose between mac os or debian on firewire disk at startup in yaboot. |
| 14:36.48 | xan0 | ah thats a good idea I can't use the guided partition then |
| 14:39.33 | denni1 | If you want to know more about yaboot on internal HD search for 'Linux on your Apple Mac iLinux' it is recent and pretty easy to read about technical details |
| 14:40.06 | xan0 | aright thanks |
| 14:41.12 | denni1 | so you'll need some very small partitions on your internal HD to install yaboot |
| 14:46.06 | xan0 | I started teh instalation the old way I gotta go back and start over after it's done, it's installing the base system right now... |
| 14:51.12 | xan0 | is it possible with apt-get to tinstall gnome via flash drive? |
| 14:52.44 | denni1 | I realy don't know the state of USB boot on ppc |
| 14:54.05 | xan0 | alright Im in the partition menue how should I go about setting up the partitions |
| 14:55.08 | xan0 | I have 134.2mb free space on internal and I only need 1mb for yaboot I think |
| 14:55.33 | denni1 | is your data backed up? |
| 14:55.52 | xan0 | there really isn't any data on this computer jsut osX |
| 14:57.15 | denni1 | phew, more knowlegable people will show up in 1 hour and then more in the hours afterwards |
| 14:57.42 | denni1 | anyway / and /home can be partitions on your firewire disk |
| 14:58.25 | xan0 | so I make a ext3 partition and a swap partition on my external but boot on internal |
| 14:59.00 | xan0 | when it installs how is it gonna tell that boot is on internal |
| 14:59.47 | denni1 | no boot, the root debian system can be on a 10Gig parttion internal or on firewire |
| 15:00.23 | denni1 | that will only contain the system and all software installed in debian |
| 15:01.45 | xan0 | okay I'm gonna put root on the external |
| 15:02.08 | denni1 | ok, you could also only have /home on firewire if you want |
| 15:03.45 | xan0 | aright |
| 15:04.31 | denni1 | make / bigger then 10G if you are a developer |
| 15:05.08 | xan0 | I have 400gigs for root |
| 15:05.36 | denni1 | wow that is uneeded :-) |
| 15:05.50 | xan0 | yeah thats how big the harddrive is |
| 15:05.53 | xan0 | I figured why not |
| 15:06.10 | denni1 | couple of tens for root most of your stuff will be /home |
| 15:06.35 | xan0 | oh I see |
| 15:07.34 | denni1 | it's not like there are awesome big ass games installable from debian so you don't need pc gaming sized space on root |
| 15:08.14 | denni1 | you'll dowload some vids and that will fill your /home fast |
| 15:08.43 | xan0 | I resizing them now, 390 /home 10 / |
| 15:09.00 | denni1 | ok |
| 15:09.03 | xan0 | I understand now |
| 15:31.18 | xan0 | aright I have home and root set up you know how I can get yaboot on internal and have the installer recognize it's on a different hd? |
| 15:33.40 | denni1 | so you are not using a instalation CD? |
| 15:33.53 | xan0 | yeah I am |
| 15:37.56 | denni1 | hm does it not let you select where you want yaboot and / and /home? (well yes it does and will install stuff to those places). But I can't recall how or where things are in the installer, so I'm not much help in guiding you trhough it. |
| 15:39.53 | xan0 | I can make a /boot partition and I did butI [ut it on the internal hd and it can't find it when I finish partitioning and write changes to disk |
| 15:40.45 | denni1 | seems correct (and standard debian confusing :-) |
| 15:41.45 | xan0 | heh |
| 15:44.11 | xan0 | think I should set a bootable flag to that partition? |
| 15:44.38 | denni1 | ask 'anybody familiar with debian CD install' and then say on a new line 'ping ' and some user names on the channel with a 'sorry to wake you but perhaps you are sitting behind your computer and can help'. that will make their computer beep outloud. |
| 15:45.32 | xan0 | here? |
| 15:45.56 | denni1 | yes those willing to respond will say pong and then you have eyes |
| 15:46.00 | denni1 | on you |
| 15:46.34 | xan0 | is anybody familiar with debian CD install? |
| 15:46.43 | xan0 | ping |
| 15:46.45 | xan0 | huh |
| 15:46.50 | xan0 | 'ping' |
| 15:46.53 | xan0 | ? |
| 15:47.09 | denni1 | ping Bor_Ed |
| 15:47.43 | xan0 | keeps saying [RAW] |
| 15:47.49 | xan0 | not sure how I go about this |
| 15:48.47 | denni1 | well most have there computer on but are away some will already sit here but are looking at another app |
| 15:50.39 | denni1 | the polite way is to ask the cd question again in an hour and just hope somenbody is looking |
| 15:51.05 | xan0 | aright |
| 15:52.16 | denni1 | but since ppc can be pretty silent I think it is alraight to ping random people and see if someone will respond before their usual hour |
| 15:54.29 | denni1 | in the mean time google some questions and see if you can find a walkthrough of the lenny CD install menu |
| 18:17.16 | Bor_Ed | xan0: if you have questions, keep them on channel as anyone who drops by can answer if one knows the answer |
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| 20:30.11 | denni1 | welcome back xan0, any succes installing debian yet? |
| 20:36.20 | xan0 | nah I kinda gave up |
| 20:36.32 | xan0 | gonna get back at it later though |
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