| 01:58.07 | mjc | hmm⦠maybe I've been out of the loop for a while, what the heck is policyd and why is it messing with me |
| 01:58.18 | mjc | er, policy-rc.d |
| 02:00.31 | gnarface | probably because the universe is punishing you for using postfix instead of exim |
| 02:01.24 | gnarface | apt-cache show postfix-policyd |
| 02:01.29 | gnarface | then you'll know all i know about it |
| 02:01.46 | mjc | I don't have that, or postfix installed |
| 02:02.03 | gnarface | that's a puzzle then |
| 02:02.51 | gnarface | how sure are you? |
| 02:03.06 | gnarface | i don't seem to have anything called policy-rc.d on my system |
| 02:03.46 | gnarface | dpkg -S policy-rc.d |
| 02:03.47 | gnarface | ? |
| 02:03.48 | mjc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.53 | mjc | as well as a readme |
| 02:04.11 | gnarface | i got nothing for you |
| 02:04.15 | gnarface | never seen or heard of it |
| 02:04.27 | gnarface | it doesn't seem to be on any of my systems |
| 02:05.12 | gnarface | you using xen? |
| 02:05.50 | mjc | http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
| 02:05.52 | mjc | and no |
| 02:06.36 | gnarface | well i DO have a /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d |
| 02:06.38 | mjc | setting up apt-file to find out where it comes from, could use apt-file in general anyway |
| 02:07.06 | gnarface | i haven't updated sysvinit in a few months |
| 02:07.09 | gnarface | could it be new? |
| 02:07.41 | mjc | apt-file has nothin |
| 02:07.45 | mjc | this is a new install |
| 02:09.37 | mjc | whatever it is it's horribly broken on this machine and won't let me dpkg-reconfigure anything |
| 02:10.21 | gnarface | lenny or sid? |
| 02:10.43 | mjc | I never remember the names, I just use unstable in apt's source list heh |
| 02:11.23 | gnarface | should be sid then i think |
| 02:11.49 | gnarface | g4 or g5 hardware? |
| 02:11.53 | mjc | g4 |
| 02:12.09 | mjc | I moved it out of the way and it worked now |
| 02:12.18 | mjc | so I suppose that will do it |
| 02:12.22 | mjc | but where the f did it come from |
| 02:12.48 | gnarface | maybe created by a post-install script in some or another package? |
| 02:12.55 | gnarface | i don't think it'd show up in dpkg -S if that were the case |
| 02:13.03 | gnarface | but i thought most such things went into /etc |
| 02:13.43 | gnarface | did you actually use the unstable installer to create this install? |
| 02:13.48 | mjc | yeah |
| 02:14.03 | gnarface | wow that's like, NEVER worked for me |
| 02:14.11 | gnarface | not even on x86 hardware |
| 02:14.21 | gnarface | i always end up installing stable then doing a dist-upgrade |
| 02:14.28 | mjc | heh my experience is the opposite, my older laptop doesn't boot with stable |
| 02:14.32 | mjc | installer |
| 02:14.35 | mjc | pc |
| 02:14.41 | gnarface | huh |
| 02:15.05 | mjc | think I would have needed one of the alternate installs, but unstable works on it so who cares |
| 02:15.33 | mjc | now to get rid of this rsyslogd junk |
| 02:16.18 | gnarface | gasp! |
| 02:16.27 | gnarface | insanity! |
| 02:17.07 | mjc | it doesn't seem to log anything and I don't want to bother. syslog-ng never hurt me |
| 02:17.29 | gnarface | fair enough |
| 02:19.11 | mjc | hmm it's working now that I dpkg-reconfigure-d it, after stabbing that policy thing in the eye |
| 02:19.35 | gnarface | that is weird |
| 02:19.40 | gnarface | might be a bug with a recent release |
| 02:19.46 | gnarface | something i haven't updated to yet |
| 02:19.58 | gnarface | i think my last update was about a month ago or more |
| 02:20.38 | mjc | all kinds of crazy crap is going on with this box tonight |
| 02:21.54 | gnarface | yea i've had a lot of pain doing basic upgrades lately with my g4 powerbook |
| 02:22.05 | gnarface | lots of stuff seems broken |
| 02:22.16 | gnarface | less in unstable usually than stable |
| 02:22.20 | gnarface | but still... lots |
| 02:22.27 | mjc | haven't upgraded anything since yesterday, when it was fine, heh |
| 02:23.48 | mjc | I think the stuff was broken and I didn't notice though |
| 02:38.53 | gnarface | brb |
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| 03:10.17 | gnarface | hey any of you people ever seen a problem where the boot sequence will mysteriously pause (perhaps indefinitely) until the enter key is hit? |
| 04:00.57 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 09:05.49 | gnarface | whew |
| 09:05.51 | gnarface | that was scary |
| 09:05.58 | gnarface | for a minute there i was all alone |
| 09:10.11 | pahartik | Hello gnarface |
| 09:13.14 | gnarface | hello pahartik |
| 11:21.17 | Hobbes` | are there any cheap ppc boards with 4x SATA ports ? |
| 11:21.40 | gnarface | woah |
| 11:21.47 | gnarface | are there any ppc boards...!? |
| 11:22.42 | gnarface | the nintendo gamecube is cheap and it's a ppc board. i've heard of people making usb converters for the 4x controller ports on it. got a soldering iron? |
| 11:28.58 | Hobbes` | there seem to be quite a few low power PPC boards.. not sure how one would buy them though |
| 11:29.31 | Hobbes` | don't seem to be targetting the retail segment |
| 11:31.58 | Hobbes` | here's one http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Freescale-QorIQ-P3014-P5020-P5010/?kc=rss |
| 11:34.39 | gnarface | 64-bit, 2.5 ghz |
| 11:34.40 | gnarface | not bad |
| 11:34.47 | gnarface | but is it cheaper than the equivalent amd board? |
| 11:35.06 | gnarface | i'm not sure i believe those wattage ratings |
| 11:35.17 | gnarface | 30 watts seems low |
| 11:35.28 | gnarface | i guess maybe not for ppc |
| 11:35.40 | gnarface | i'm not as familiar with the power consumption of ppc machines as i am with x86 |
| 11:38.48 | Bor_Ed | the freescale dev board is likely $3k+... |
| 11:40.36 | gnarface | WOW |
| 11:42.38 | Hobbes` | gnarface even via x86 boards have similar power consumption |
| 11:43.14 | Bor_Ed | 'cheap' ppc boards are 700+ usd and come with 7447a or 7448 cpu... for example http://www.genesi-usa.com/products |
| 11:48.00 | gnarface | Hobbes`: i'm pulling like 180 watts right now.... |
| 11:48.21 | gnarface | that's not counting my monitors |
| 11:48.41 | gnarface | but that's a multi-core amd system with a pretty mean video card |
| 11:49.12 | gnarface | even with it all shut off and the processor clocked to half i don't think i can get it below about 80 |
| 11:49.38 | Hobbes` | I have a lowpower setup here that allows me to work for 10+ hours without power |
| 11:50.33 | gnarface | wow |
| 11:50.48 | gnarface | you mean off a UPS or something? |
| 11:51.49 | Hobbes` | yeah off a 1kva APC UPS and an Inverter with a 100AH battery |
| 11:52.21 | gnarface | hmm |
| 11:52.29 | gnarface | i think that's pretty impressive |
| 11:52.42 | Hobbes` | http://kingsly.net/kingsly/Random_Chaos/news/item/1189459515/low_power_computing.html |
| 11:53.28 | gnarface | is that an aftermarket battery you're using? |
| 11:53.32 | gnarface | some sort of battery upgrade? |
| 11:53.48 | Hobbes` | it's been 3 years .. looking to upgrade the setup |
| 11:53.59 | gnarface | i've got an APC XS-1500 and pull like 300w max and i get like... 19 minutes |
| 11:54.37 | Hobbes` | I have an APC battery pack connected to the RS-1000 |
| 11:54.52 | gnarface | oh like an outboard addon battery? |
| 11:55.14 | Hobbes` | and the UPS itself is connected to a local brand Pure-sinewave inverter with a 100AH battery |
| 11:55.36 | Hobbes` | so the UPS is only used for a few seconds before the inverter kicks in |
| 11:56.08 | gnarface | wow not bad |
| 11:56.08 | Hobbes` | and after the inverter completely drains out .. the UPS will take over |
| 11:56.41 | Hobbes` | haven't had an outage long enough to drain both |
| 11:56.58 | Hobbes` | 8hr outages are fairly normal out here |
| 11:57.03 | gnarface | that's impressive. and here i was proud of myself because i figured out that if i'd plug my router and dsl modem into a UPS i'd be able to have internet for up to 20 minutes when the power goes out |
| 11:57.38 | gnarface | where the hell are you Hobbes`? mars? |
| 11:57.47 | Hobbes` | Bangalore, INDIA |
| 11:58.25 | gnarface | brutal |
| 11:58.31 | gnarface | and i thought california had bad power |
| 11:58.38 | gnarface | it's dirty |
| 11:58.40 | gnarface | it's off-spec |
| 11:58.43 | gnarface | it flickers, it browns |
| 11:58.47 | gnarface | it spikes occasionally |
| 11:58.54 | Hobbes` | you've not seen bad power until you've been here |
| 11:58.55 | gnarface | but it's never completely OUT for more than a couple minutes |
| 11:59.17 | Hobbes` | let me see if I still have the graphs |
| 11:59.43 | Hobbes` | http://kingsly.net/tmp/bescom/ |
| 12:00.37 | Hobbes` | that was an exceptionally bad stretch .. but voltage varies quite a bit all through the day |
| 12:01.04 | gnarface | holy hell |
| 12:01.06 | gnarface | that's yucky |
| 12:05.07 | Hobbes` | oh and the grid is never at 50hz .. they run it at 48 or so .. and I think at 47 it trips/auto shutsdown |
| 12:15.55 | gnarface | sounds brutal |
| 12:16.06 | gnarface | i hope at least you get a good rate |
| 12:23.07 | Hobbes` | I think it's about INR5-6(12-15cents) a unit |
| 12:23.32 | Hobbes` | it goes up as you consume more power |
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