| 01:07.31 | gnarface | dockimble: maybe it's one of your smaller partitions filling up? like /var? |
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| 11:28.14 | dockimble | hello? |
| 11:32.14 | gnarface | yo |
| 11:32.17 | gnarface | any luck? |
| 11:52.17 | dockimble | hey |
| 11:52.31 | dockimble | i reinstalled lenny to clear and start from the top |
| 11:52.40 | dockimble | cause i kept getting a no more space error |
| 11:52.56 | gnarface | do you have separate partitions |
| 11:53.02 | gnarface | or is the whole 15gb on one? |
| 11:53.11 | dockimble | the latter |
| 11:53.38 | gnarface | i think there's a way around this |
| 11:54.41 | dockimble | ok |
| 11:55.01 | gnarface | right now how much space do you have free? |
| 11:55.04 | gnarface | what does df -h show? |
| 11:56.16 | dockimble | 1 min |
| 11:57.48 | pahartik | Hello gnarface, dockimble |
| 11:58.15 | dockimble | ok |
| 11:58.19 | dockimble | so let me reboot |
| 11:58.32 | gnarface | hello pahartik |
| 11:59.32 | dockimble | ok, so now i'm just running lenny |
| 11:59.41 | dockimble | and i'll run that command in a min |
| 12:00.11 | gnarface | do you have any problems with lenny? |
| 12:00.21 | gnarface | i seem to recall you were trying to get wifi working? |
| 12:00.23 | dockimble | i need wpa support that works |
| 12:00.28 | gnarface | anything else? |
| 12:00.31 | dockimble | and now the sound isn't being helpful |
| 12:00.36 | gnarface | ethernet works right? |
| 12:00.39 | dockimble | yes |
| 12:00.50 | gnarface | alsa sound? |
| 12:01.05 | dockimble | df-h states |
| 12:01.33 | dockimble | yesç |
| 12:01.37 | dockimble | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.50 | dockimble | i have no idea what's using 3 gigs |
| 12:01.55 | gnarface | and / is the only partition? |
| 12:02.00 | gnarface | you must have done a full desktop install |
| 12:02.09 | dockimble | as i just installed via a single partition with a lvm |
| 12:02.24 | gnarface | i like to go for a base install with no options then just add stuff i need |
| 12:02.26 | dockimble | i want it a bit smaller than that |
| 12:02.37 | dockimble | so what's best to remove then? |
| 12:02.48 | gnarface | anything you're not using |
| 12:03.09 | dockimble | and what is the best way to get to a kernel with wpa support for airport? |
| 12:03.28 | gnarface | i'm not sure if it's in backports |
| 12:03.29 | gnarface | it should be |
| 12:03.34 | gnarface | but i haven't ever tried it |
| 12:03.51 | dockimble | youre g4 has wat sort of wifi card? |
| 12:03.54 | gnarface | upgrading to sid then installing the linux-firmware-nonfree package should fix your wifi |
| 12:04.01 | gnarface | it's an orinoco/lucent one |
| 12:04.05 | gnarface | 802.11b |
| 12:04.55 | dockimble | so i would like to try to upgrade to sid |
| 12:06.07 | dockimble | change the sources.list to sid and then what was the command again? |
| 12:06.45 | gnarface | two commands |
| 12:06.49 | gnarface | first: apt-get update |
| 12:06.53 | gnarface | then: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:07.37 | gnarface | if it runs out of space it may help to just run "apt-get clean" then run "apt-get install [packagename]" for a few specific packages that have lots of dependencies |
| 12:07.41 | gnarface | to kindof space it out |
| 12:07.58 | gnarface | upgrading xorg and the kernel would be good starting places |
| 12:08.40 | gnarface | also ditch any window managers you're not using |
| 12:08.51 | gnarface | if you're short on space the full desktop install really puts in a lot of stuff you won't want |
| 12:08.55 | gnarface | like 5 window managers |
| 12:09.00 | gnarface | probably a bunch of games |
| 12:10.58 | dockimble | like what packages |
| 12:11.30 | gnarface | like kde and gnome |
| 12:11.37 | dockimble | what repos ought to be in my sources.list |
| 12:11.40 | gnarface | and compiz fusion |
| 12:11.57 | gnarface | just put these two lines in, comment everything else out: |
| 12:12.14 | gnarface | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 12:12.26 | gnarface | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 12:15.13 | dockimble | right |
| 12:15.17 | dockimble | here we go again |
| 12:15.40 | gnarface | updating? |
| 12:15.44 | dockimble | yep |
| 12:16.11 | gnarface | how long did it take to run out of space last time? |
| 12:16.43 | dockimble | don't recall |
| 12:16.56 | dockimble | i deleted gnome before this time, though |
| 12:17.10 | gnarface | with dpkg --purge remove right? |
| 12:17.16 | dockimble | oops |
| 12:17.19 | dockimble | nope |
| 12:17.26 | gnarface | hah you just deleted it with rm? |
| 12:17.32 | dockimble | oh, well, i'll just do that when it stops |
| 12:17.38 | dockimble | no, apt-get remove |
| 12:17.48 | dockimble | and autoremove |
| 12:17.54 | gnarface | i think you want apt-get --purge gnome |
| 12:18.02 | gnarface | --purge is like remove except it takes config files with it |
| 12:18.27 | gnarface | apt-cache clean will clean up your apt cache, that's useful to free up space before big updates too |
| 12:19.04 | dockimble | did that |
| 12:19.29 | gnarface | ok good |
| 12:20.19 | dockimble | would you happen to know of a good command line based music player? |
| 12:20.23 | dockimble | for another project |
| 12:21.35 | pahartik | dockimble: "yauap" is based on "GStreamer" |
| 12:22.20 | dockimble | something like rhythmbox but solely from the command line |
| 12:23.38 | pahartik | dockimble: "mplayer" would have been another suggestion, but you seem to want something interactive |
| 12:23.49 | gnarface | vlc has a text mode too |
| 12:23.58 | gnarface | or headless or something like that, doesn't it? |
| 12:24.11 | gnarface | i usually just use mpg321 or aplay, but my needs are very simple |
| 12:24.13 | dockimble | yes |
| 12:24.23 | dockimble | but i need something like an ncurses itunes |
| 12:24.32 | gnarface | aah |
| 12:24.33 | dockimble | something that can select from a library |
| 12:26.43 | dockimble | shitç |
| 12:27.01 | dockimble | do you remember how to connect to a wifi network from the command line if its wpa? |
| 12:27.55 | gnarface | yea |
| 12:28.09 | dockimble | how do ya do it |
| 12:28.13 | dockimble | im drawing a blank |
| 12:28.15 | gnarface | you just gotta put the right lines in your /etc/network/interfaces then do an /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 12:29.34 | gnarface | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html#_the_wireless_lan_interface_with_wpa_wpa2 |
| 12:30.01 | gnarface | it's very similar to wep |
| 12:30.12 | gnarface | but you use wpa-psk instead of wireless-key |
| 12:30.23 | gnarface | and wpa-ssid instead of wireless-essid |
| 12:44.33 | dockimble | i keep getting a cant set the locale error |
| 12:45.29 | gnarface | ignore it |
| 12:45.38 | gnarface | when it's done you can set the locale |
| 12:45.51 | pahartik | dockimble: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 12:45.51 | gnarface | dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 12:46.05 | gnarface | oh, yea what he said |
| 12:46.06 | gnarface | locales |
| 12:47.53 | pahartik | dockimble: It could also require version of "locales" matching version of "libc6" |
| 13:01.52 | dockimble | ok, well i hope it can be solved after the update |
| 13:02.03 | dockimble | i'm off for a bit, i'll see ya guys later |
| 13:02.09 | dockimble | thanks again for all your help |
| 13:02.17 | gnarface | luck to you |
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| 14:06.39 | dockimble | ok |
| 14:06.41 | dockimble | hello? |
| 14:14.32 | pahartik | Hello dockimble |
| 14:14.37 | dockimble | hey |
| 14:14.55 | dockimble | im trying |
| 14:14.58 | dockimble | again |
| 14:15.09 | dockimble | with this goddamn machine |
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| 16:09.09 | dockimble | how do you get locales to work? |
| 16:10.38 | moldovean | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 17:40.59 | dockimble | hello? |
| 17:45.55 | dockimble | has anyone else had trouble with the util-linux package? |
| 17:58.28 | pahartik | dockimble: Not that I can recall |
| 17:59.30 | dockimble | im updating to si |
| 17:59.30 | dockimble | d |
| 17:59.38 | dockimble | and it's the only thing that wont install |
| 17:59.58 | dockimble | is there a way to restrict it so each apt session doesn't take hours? |
| 18:27.46 | pahartik | dockimble: I do it by choosing package versions appropriate for situation from those provided in "stable", "testing" and "unstable" by using "aptitude" |
| 18:28.16 | dockimble | hey |
| 18:28.32 | dockimble | why on earth is a debian install with just the base system taking 14 gigs? |
| 18:29.08 | dockimble | every time i try to install this, it takes all the space on the device! |
| 18:31.42 | dockimble | hello' |
| 18:32.51 | moldovean | dockimble, seems you troll hard there , base system takes only ~ 200-300 mega |
| 18:33.37 | dockimble | i'm not trolling - i'm trying to get this system to work - but there is some problem that is causing the upgrade to sid to fill a 15 gb hard drive |
| 18:44.14 | simonrvn | um, why is it taking 15 GB? it shouldn't. i said this yesterday. there's something you're not telling us. |
| 18:45.24 | dockimble | no, i have no clue |
| 18:45.40 | dockimble | i'm going to try just updating to squeeze instead |
| 18:46.39 | simonrvn | what have done so far? step by step. |
| 18:46.52 | simonrvn | in terms of installation procedure. |
| 18:46.54 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 18:46.54 | dockimble | i'm installing lenny from a netinstall CD for the third time |
| 18:46.58 | ravenbird | The Debian Installation Guide for lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . |
| 18:47.05 | dockimble | then after that i run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:47.15 | dockimble | and then i dist upgrade to sid |
| 18:47.44 | dockimble | the sid dist upgrade inevitably stops when it fills the goddamn harddrive |
| 18:47.59 | dockimble | it also is giving me messages that it cannot set the locale settings |
| 18:48.04 | simonrvn | how full is the hdd before you start? |
| 18:48.14 | dockimble | i'm formatting it with the new install |
| 18:48.20 | dockimble | a 14 gb / partition |
| 18:48.23 | simonrvn | have you cleaned out /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 18:48.36 | simonrvn | ah nm then |
| 18:48.48 | dockimble | how would that be a factor if it's a brand new instalation? |
| 18:49.30 | simonrvn | what are you installing in tasksel? |
| 18:50.46 | dockimble | just the base system |
| 18:52.35 | pahartik | dockimble: Filesystem with bad parameters, like not enough "inodes"? |
| 18:52.58 | pahartik | dockimble: What takes up that disk space? |
| 18:55.06 | simonrvn | run a du -sh on it |
| 19:01.51 | dockimble | ok |
| 19:02.09 | dockimble | only tasksel oftion is the standard system |
| 19:02.16 | simonrvn | ok |
| 19:02.30 | simonrvn | well, the du run will tell you what's hogging it |
| 19:10.08 | dockimble | du -sh says "16K ." |
| 19:10.31 | dockimble | that's all |
| 19:13.40 | simonrvn | you gotta choose a direectory |
| 19:15.12 | dockimble | what's the typical command |
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| 19:17.41 | dockimble | so how do you use it |
| 19:18.49 | simonrvn | usually on / |
| 19:19.12 | dockimble | the command would be "du -sh /" ? |
| 19:24.25 | simonrvn | yes.. |
| 19:26.15 | dockimble | i'm trying to upgrade, and it keeps giving me errors "manconv: can't set the locale" |
| 19:29.34 | simonrvn | maybe your cd is a bum one? (bad burn) |
| 19:29.57 | dockimble | it's a net install |
| 19:37.25 | dockimble | what is the best way to upgrade the kernel? |
| 19:46.14 | simonrvn | install another one ;) |
| 20:06.51 | dockimble | and linux-firmware-nonfree, where is it? |
| 20:29.34 | pahartik | dockimble: I refer to document at "http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 21:21.31 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 21:21.41 | ravenbird | A component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ . |
| 22:02.18 | dockimble | hello |
| 22:05.43 | dockimble | does anyone have any experience with g3 ibook sound |
| 22:11.44 | simonrvn | !alsa |
| 22:11.55 | ravenbird | the "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" the replacement for OSS/Free Sound drivers. It's now part of the 2.6 source tree, and doesnt need to be compiled separately as modules as in 2.4. It offers many advantages over the current OSS/Free architecture, and has much vendor support, see http://www.alsa-project.org/ for more info, or latest working version is 0.9.6, or it's also completely |
| 22:11.56 | ravenbird | free, or see alsa tutorial, or defaults to muted when loading so use a mixer to get sound. |
| 22:12.17 | dockimble | !sns |
| 22:12.20 | ravenbird | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder where the sufferer "needs" the "latest and greatest" of a given software project. it usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Digg readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 22:12.25 | dockimble | ok |
| 22:12.37 | dockimble | i see how that works now |
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