| 01:19.37 | gnarface | i think dockimble's problem was he did a full desktop install of lenny, rather than a base install |
| 01:20.01 | gnarface | so he was already burning like 5 or 6GB before the upgrdae |
| 01:20.39 | gnarface | i told him several times to just try updating the kernel and X first and uninstalling a bunch of that other shit |
| 01:20.51 | gnarface | but he kept want to try fixing it by switching debian branches entirely |
| 01:21.33 | Bor_Ed | libc at least is broken on update from stable to testing... though it whines that new kernel needed |
| 01:21.46 | Bor_Ed | haven's seen probs in alsa though |
| 01:22.10 | gnarface | libc broken how? |
| 01:22.33 | gnarface | everyone has problems with alsa their first time till they realize that 1) software mixing isn't on by default and 2) the volume isn't on by default |
| 01:22.46 | Bor_Ed | whines something that requires newer kernel than running and then workable with some stabbing to /etc land |
| 01:22.58 | gnarface | huh |
| 01:23.15 | Bor_Ed | happened on both ppc and x86 for me at least |
| 01:23.31 | gnarface | hey Bor_Ed you seem like a smart guy |
| 01:23.56 | Bor_Ed | LOL... would I be smart if I come to home from work at 4:10am on sunday :) |
| 01:24.21 | gnarface | hah |
| 01:25.21 | gnarface | would you have any idea why an alt-key on a ppc (powerbook g4 titanium, the series-1 500mhz one) would work at the console and in X (according to xev) but fail to be recognized by emacs while in X even though it works in emacs while at the console? |
| 01:25.45 | gnarface | keep in mind xev shows the key firing in X and the symbol (Alt_L, i think) is reported the same |
| 01:26.28 | Bor_Ed | sounds like need to stab emacsrc |
| 01:26.53 | gnarface | i was thinking that but why would it work outside of X then? |
| 01:27.00 | Bor_Ed | I'm happy vi user so you need to find out it |
| 01:27.08 | gnarface | hah |
| 01:27.10 | gnarface | fair enough |
| 01:27.13 | Bor_Ed | you've got xemacs on X or just console one? |
| 01:27.20 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 01:27.27 | gnarface | i believe it's just the console one |
| 01:27.33 | gnarface | lemme double check |
| 01:27.37 | Bor_Ed | doesn't have fancy menu up etc? |
| 01:28.17 | gnarface | i'll have to check |
| 01:28.20 | gnarface | booting |
| 01:28.41 | gnarface | (i habitually use the -nw flag because the fancy menu on my x86 xemacs installs bug me) |
| 01:29.20 | Bor_Ed | could be that if binary is different the conf file is too |
| 01:31.01 | gnarface | nope, it's not xemacs |
| 01:31.07 | gnarface | i installed emacs-nox on this one |
| 01:31.31 | gnarface | so in theory i'd expect it to behave EXACTLY like it does at the console in X |
| 01:32.48 | Bor_Ed | had similar problem with insert key way back... iirc, required sysctl hack |
| 01:33.00 | Bor_Ed | or xinitrc |
| 01:33.04 | Bor_Ed | been too long |
| 01:36.11 | gnarface | yea xorg changed up how X handles keymaps |
| 01:36.19 | gnarface | i can't figure out how to make it obey me anymore :( |
| 01:36.37 | gnarface | i'm upgrading emacs just to see if that helps |
| 01:36.41 | Bor_Ed | reads in top lines of xorg.conf |
| 01:37.02 | gnarface | i suppose it could be my window manager too |
| 01:37.06 | gnarface | e17 isn't really stable yet, is it? |
| 01:37.29 | Bor_Ed | can't say... I use xfce |
| 01:38.40 | Bor_Ed | fvwm2 was enough fun in late 90's so I prefer desktops nowadays :) |
| 01:39.08 | gnarface | hahaha |
| 01:39.09 | gnarface | ok |
| 01:39.14 | gnarface | pulling my hair out for months over that |
| 01:39.18 | gnarface | it was emacs's fault :( |
| 01:39.22 | gnarface | i'm assuming |
| 01:39.29 | gnarface | because i just updated emacs and now the alt key also works in X |
| 01:39.30 | Bor_Ed | new svn worked? |
| 01:39.38 | gnarface | nah just whatever was currently in SID |
| 01:39.46 | gnarface | last month it did not |
| 01:39.52 | Bor_Ed | check if it has bug report yet in bugzilla? |
| 01:39.58 | gnarface | i'm assuming so |
| 01:40.00 | gnarface | i'm gonna look |
| 01:43.09 | gnarface | uh... which bugzilla again? |
| 01:43.54 | Bor_Ed | bugs.debian.org perhaps? |
| 01:44.23 | Bor_Ed | but as it's sid... probably fixed quietly ages back |
| 01:46.44 | gnarface | hmm. probably |
| 01:47.47 | Bor_Ed | when I ran sid I had cron to upgrade sys once/week.. kept up with most of the stuff and if it bombed, it just failed the upgrade |
| 01:47.52 | gnarface | i found a couple bugs that looked related on redhat's bugzilla but they're from 2007 |
| 01:48.15 | Bor_Ed | sounds a bit old... if you've upgraded sid in last 3 years |
| 01:49.23 | gnarface | yea i was upgrading sid once a week until last month when i finally got almost everything working |
| 01:49.32 | gnarface | then this mysterious alt key issue kinda took the wind out of my sails |
| 01:49.45 | gnarface | now i'm afraid to do a full upgrade again because i'm afraid of what might break |
| 01:50.31 | Bor_Ed | well, there's always 'stable' if you're afraid... rarely breaks up |
| 01:50.47 | Bor_Ed | and only 4 years old packages |
| 01:52.49 | gnarface | yea i was using it for a long time |
| 01:52.57 | gnarface | then X stopped working entirely in lenny |
| 01:53.13 | gnarface | and after about 6 months i gave up and upgraded to sid and X started working again |
| 01:53.14 | Bor_Ed | I used potato stable... was it 2.2 or so in numbers... after that always sid or testing |
| 01:53.44 | gnarface | it's a real old mac, so i can see why it's so poorly supported |
| 01:54.10 | Bor_Ed | my mac is first rev g3/233 imac... |
| 01:54.32 | Bor_Ed | everything worked on squeeze out of box except x server, needed tailored xorg.conf |
| 01:59.45 | Bor_Ed | shuteye time... 5am |
| 02:11.20 | gnarface | thanks Bor_Ed |
| 09:35.05 | gnarface | anyone try to compile wine 1.2 yet? |
| 11:55.54 | pahartik | gnarface: Wrong architecture |
| 12:07.06 | Bor_Ed | well, runs over qemu/winlib |
| 12:19.26 | gnarface | seriously, no ppc wine? |
| 12:19.28 | gnarface | :( |
| 12:30.05 | Bor_Ed | nope, it's windows api emulator so... |
| 12:33.58 | Hobbes` | anyone else seeing pixelated videos on the latest mplayer in squeeze ? |
| 12:34.50 | Bor_Ed | MPlayer SVN-r1.0~rc3+svn20100502-4.4.4 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team doesn't at least have... asf, mkv and normal suspects in use |
| 12:35.26 | Hobbes` | same here |
| 12:36.06 | Hobbes` | after the upgrade.. even the fonts seem pixelated like they are half-inverted in some way |
| 12:36.22 | Bor_Ed | tried another -vo driver? |
| 12:38.02 | Hobbes` | strange x11 is okay . but xv shows the distortion |
| 12:39.09 | Bor_Ed | xorg issue then |
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