| 00:23.11 | wangdang | just took an ibook g4 for its maiden trip to a wifi hot spot after installing debian stable. No joy. Couldn't get an address. ifconfig shows wmaster0 and wlan0 but no address. no dhcp offers. Could something have gone wrong when b43-fwcutter downloaded the firmware for me (broadcom chipset)? |
| 00:34.42 | wangdang | should add this was a cafe. everyone around me was happily surfing away with their assigned address. Asked at the counter to be sure no login or token or password or anything. Tried several times to bring up the link over about a half hour 40 min period |
| 00:40.26 | pahartik | wangdang: I do use Bluetooth PAN instead of 802.11 networks, but is "NetworkManager" properly running? |
| 00:43.10 | pahartik | wangdang: I do not use "NetworkManager", but I have seen others use it for 802.11 |
| 00:43.57 | wangdang | pahartik: it's showing up under "# ps -eHF" at least |
| 00:44.47 | wangdang | pahartik: I don't usually use network manager either. I use the debian /etc/network/interfaces setup |
| 01:22.35 | Bryanstein | wangdang, |
| 01:48.40 | wangdang | Bryanstein: yes? |
| 01:54.44 | Bryanstein | wangdang, sorry for the late reply but do you have apple wif as in orinoco/prism based cardbus nic? |
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| 05:01.51 | wangdang | do you suppose having an entry for the wifi interface as well as a running networkmanager process would prevent me from getting any dhcpoffers? |
| 05:02.37 | wangdang | can't test this as I've no hotspot nearby and I can't run to the cafe every test:) |
| 05:08.12 | Bryanstein | wangdang, I'd just do it all from the command line...i bet you aren't associating with the accesspoint...which is the problem |
| 05:09.21 | Bryanstein | can you verify that the netman applet is actually associated and getting dhcp offers |
| 05:12.23 | wangdang | Bryanstein: atm I can't verify as I am at home and there are no hotspots around to test with. Used to be a few wireless networks around, but not anymore. When I go back to a hotspot, how would I verify that netman applet is associated to an ap and how to verify it is getting offers? |
| 05:13.33 | wangdang | am I asking wifi 101, rtfm question here? |
| 05:57.24 | peterrooney | oh, if ONLY there was wifi 101... |
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| 06:46.14 | wangdang | no VTs on powerppc arch? |
| 06:46.49 | wangdang | Ctrl+Alt+Fn gives me nothing |
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| 06:54.14 | Nalle_ | Morning |
| 07:01.08 | peterrooney | wangdang: I've always found VTs on apples |
| 07:04.53 | Nalle_ | What are "VT"s =' |
| 07:04.55 | Nalle_ | ? |
| 07:12.35 | wangdang | Nalle_: virtual terminals |
| 07:12.59 | wangdang | peterrooney: how do you access them? Ctrl+Alt+Fn didn't work for me |
| 07:14.29 | Nalle_ | Ah |
| 07:14.52 | Nalle_ | They work with the standard ctrl+<n> |
| 07:15.09 | Nalle_ | from console |
| 07:15.14 | Nalle_ | or do you mean somethign else? |
| 07:16.29 | wangdang | Nalle_: I mean to get to a vt from X |
| 07:21.00 | Nalle_ | Oh.. then I do not know. |
| 07:21.33 | Nalle_ | But isn't X on VT 7 ? |
| 07:21.42 | Nalle_ | so you can get to others jsut by ctrl-<n> |
| 07:21.55 | Nalle_ | Or was it ctrl-alt-<n> |
| 07:22.05 | Nalle_ | Cannot recall. Haven't used them in ages. |
| 07:33.44 | peterrooney | wangdang: IIRC, the right Alt key is mapped to something else by default, so the left alt key must be used |
| 07:41.41 | wangdang | peterrooney: was using the left alt key (don't have a right alt key on my ibook) |
| 07:45.31 | peterrooney | wangdang: then, I am stumped. ps -ef | grep getty may show if they are present |
| 07:47.46 | peterrooney | (since getty would have trouble starting from inittab if ttys did not exist) |
| 07:55.00 | wangdang | peterrooney: you're right: no getty's |
| 07:58.35 | wangdang | oh no, I scrolled down way too fast. The getty's are there. |
| 08:08.03 | peterrooney | GOT IT: try "su - " followed by "chvt 2" |
| 08:08.42 | peterrooney | wangdang: then log in, and use "chvt 7" to get back to X |
| 08:08.57 | peterrooney | chvt doesn't seem to work for non-root |
| 08:20.41 | simonrvn | ctrl-alt-Fn to get from x to a vt |
| 08:25.48 | wangdang | peterrooney: chvt worked. is that the command underlying ctrl+alt+Fn, do you know? |
| 08:27.20 | peterrooney | no clue. |
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| 08:51.56 | simonrvn | chvt is a software change vt command vs. doing it via keyboard. man it ;) |
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| 09:32.46 | wangdang | sorry, my connection timed out. If there were any shutdown tips, I missed them |
| 09:48.28 | wangdang | wishes everyone a good night and heads to bed |
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| 13:13.28 | orl | Hello, |
| 13:14.17 | orl | I know I'm a bit off topic, but I've got a problem with a MacIntel on which rEFIt just doesn't seem to work. Can someone help me (and I'd go further in the description) or is there another place to discuss this? |
| 13:14.29 | orl | (the aim is ofcourse to install Debian on that MacIntel) |
| 13:23.28 | pahartik | orl: PowerMacintoshes (very early models are exception) use "OpenFirmware" for booting |
| 13:27.57 | Nalle_ | Which ones are an exception? |
| 13:28.03 | Nalle_ | 6100/7100 and the like? |
| 13:30.55 | orl | pahartik: Yeah, I know, I had to work with them one year ago. But actually, it's a MacIntel (that's why I'm quite offtopic). |
| 13:31.30 | orl | Thus, I don't need to work with openfirmware and so on, just need rEFIt to boot on the Debian partition (or on the Debian installer CD - which is displayed as "Windows" by now!!!) |
| 13:32.25 | Nalle_ | Cannot you just go to the OF prompt and tell it to boot from the partition you awnt. |
| 13:32.32 | Nalle_ | It has option switches for that |
| 13:33.36 | orl | Nalle_: When I press on the Option key, I only get both the Mac systems partition (there are two Mac systems on it), and the CD (called Windows). |
| 13:33.42 | orl | I cannot get rEFIt |
| 13:34.05 | orl | And it's quite weird, as on another machine, coming from the same serie, it just worked without anything to do |
| 13:34.39 | orl | Nalle_: but do that OF things work with MacIntel? |
| 13:35.02 | Nalle_ | To ge to OF prompt, you'll need to press control-option-o-f at the boto chime |
| 13:35.17 | Nalle_ | The same OF is in IntelMac's too |
| 13:36.07 | orl | Nalle_ : OK |
| 13:36.14 | orl | Control-option is OK, what is o-f ? |
| 13:36.21 | orl | Should I really press "o" and "f"? |
| 13:36.50 | Nalle_ | Yes, all those 4 keys at the same time |
| 13:37.19 | pahartik | Nalle_: It is <Command>-<Option>-O-F |
| 13:37.46 | Nalle_ | Ah, well you might be right :) |
| 13:37.55 | Nalle_ | Never can remember what those keys are called in a Mac :) |
| 13:38.13 | Nalle_ | But now I am off to play badminton |
| 13:38.34 | pahartik | Nalle_: But if current Macintoshes have OpenFirmware too, that I did not know |
| 13:38.48 | Nalle_ | btw pahartik; co-worker managed to get bootx installed but unfortunately failed to go and slect the initrd from the prefs so the kernel kept rebooting the machine all the time :D |
| 13:38.51 | pahartik | Nalle_: I thought it is just "EFI" |
| 13:39.24 | Nalle_ | pahartik: well that is what I've let myself to believe anyway. I can test the OF prompt thingy at home on my intel iMac and let you know |
| 13:39.50 | orl | pahartik: in my mind it's EFI, yes. |
| 13:40.43 | orl | that's why I usually use rEFIt, which worked fine until the owner of the machine nee to have two Mac systems + 1 Debian |
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