| 01:04.24 | dougmencken | Diytto: java is sinking; oracle did two javas: one (paid, "elite") and another, openjdk-based |
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| 01:05.25 | Diytto | What does that mean? |
| 01:05.42 | dougmencken | Diytto: ask openjdk team |
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| 01:05.50 | Pinchiukas | I don't even know whether that IBM 43p-140 is a PReP or a CHRP machine. :/ |
| 01:05.54 | Pinchiukas | Stuff is confusing... |
| 01:06.11 | Diytto | dougmencken: What does java is sinking mean |
| 01:06.16 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: any pointers? |
| 01:06.19 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: does it have OpenFirmware? |
| 01:06.32 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: don't know. :/ |
| 01:06.50 | dougmencken | Diytto: like in a sinking vessel; exactly this way |
| 01:06.52 | Pinchiukas | That's the main question I guess... |
| 01:07.06 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: okay, I'll look |
| 01:07.15 | Pinchiukas | If it has OpenFirmware it means it's CHRP, if not - PReP, right? |
| 01:07.41 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: no way :) they both do have it |
| 01:07.49 | Pinchiukas | Oh... |
| 01:08.04 | Pinchiukas | When I power it up it says "press 1 to select this console". |
| 01:08.10 | qq- | Pinchiukas, you know what ? google your model |
| 01:08.39 | Pinchiukas | I'm confused with the terms... |
| 01:08.40 | Diytto | dougmencken: Ah |
| 01:08.50 | Diytto | dougmencken: Whats new? |
| 01:08.51 | Pinchiukas | What are CHRP, PReP and OpenFirmware? |
| 01:08.55 | Diytto | I havent used debian today |
| 01:08.57 | Diytto | Osx only |
| 01:08.58 | dougmencken | it's chrp |
| 01:09.05 | Pinchiukas | I'm not even completely sure which CPU/architecture it is. |
| 01:09.17 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: is that 100%? :) |
| 01:09.23 | dougmencken | common hardware reference platform |
| 01:09.49 | Pinchiukas | I can see "Firmware version TIG04204" on the screen. |
| 01:09.57 | Diytto | Bbl |
| 01:09.59 | Pinchiukas | Don't know if that tells anything. |
| 01:10.00 | Diytto | :) |
| 01:10.28 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: you want to use debain, right? just get any debian disk |
| 01:10.38 | Pinchiukas | Any debian disk? :) |
| 01:10.53 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: I'd recommend squeeze |
| 01:10.54 | Pinchiukas | I bet I can't use an x86 disk. :) |
| 01:11.11 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: sorry, any debian ppc |
| 01:11.16 | Pinchiukas | Ok, sec. |
| 01:11.35 | dougmencken | yaboot can deal with prep too :) |
| 01:12.03 | Pinchiukas | yaboot isn't a Suse thing? |
| 01:12.27 | dougmencken | yaboot is mostly yelow dog thing, but it is abandoned now |
| 01:12.34 | qq- | POWER GXT800P Processor Type332MHz 604e PowerPC |
| 01:13.12 | Pinchiukas | I found this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/powerpc/iso-cd/ . It's stable, but I'd be happy with that too. :) |
| 01:13.40 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: you can always upgrade, but not doengrade |
| 01:13.46 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.50 | Pinchiukas | Yeah, I wouldn't want to downgrade. |
| 01:14.06 | dougmencken | qq-: yes, we're switching to grub2 now |
| 01:14.27 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: are there squeeze images? I can't see them. |
| 01:15.01 | qq- | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 01:15.17 | Pinchiukas | testing? |
| 01:15.29 | Pinchiukas | I think I'd like to stick to unstable. |
| 01:15.29 | qq- | dougmencken, on ppc too ? |
| 01:15.41 | qq- | Pinchiukas, try it |
| 01:15.41 | qq- | noooooooo |
| 01:15.44 | Pinchiukas | Or to squeeze to be exact. |
| 01:15.59 | qq- | squeeze == testing |
| 01:16.32 | Pinchiukas | Oh... |
| 01:16.38 | Pinchiukas | Damn I always mix those up. |
| 01:16.43 | dougmencken | netinst squeeze is perfect, why not |
| 01:18.17 | Pinchiukas | Kinda large for netinst, no? |
| 01:18.34 | dougmencken | ~200 MiB? it's ok |
| 01:18.54 | Pinchiukas | Ok, then. :) |
| 01:19.23 | Pinchiukas | So just burn this, insert into the machine and it should boot from it? |
| 01:19.34 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: hopefully :) |
| 01:20.24 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: do you know how to make openfirmware to boot from cd? |
| 01:20.26 | Pinchiukas | Ok will try that in a couple minutes. |
| 01:20.30 | Pinchiukas | No. |
| 01:20.47 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: ever boot from optical drive? |
| 01:21.06 | Pinchiukas | Not a PPC machine. |
| 01:21.21 | dougmencken | benevolent :) |
| 01:21.50 | Pinchiukas | Eh? |
| 01:22.21 | dougmencken | I'm reading http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300771h.html now |
| 01:23.06 | Pinchiukas | The little prince in french? :) |
| 01:23.35 | dougmencken | oui |
| 01:23.45 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 01:24.21 | Pinchiukas | Holy shit! The machine booted Aix from 10 years ago! :) |
| 01:24.23 | qq- | merde |
| 01:24.38 | Pinchiukas | Sucks I don't have the password to it... |
| 01:25.11 | Pinchiukas | Would be a pretty interesting archeological find. :) |
| 01:25.19 | qq- | have a floppy ? |
| 01:25.47 | Pinchiukas | It has a floppy drive but I currently don't have a way to write one, why? |
| 01:26.28 | dougmencken | "Pourquoi un chapeau ferait-il peur?" (roughtly translated as: "Sorry, but why the hell the Chapeau a.k.a Hat might fear anybody")? |
| 01:26.28 | Pinchiukas | Disk burned, verifying... |
| 01:27.12 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: find how to get to of on boot stage |
| 01:27.26 | dougmencken | of= open firmware |
| 01:27.36 | Pinchiukas | You mean the command line thing? |
| 01:27.44 | Pinchiukas | I believe I could do it by pressing 8 at the prompt. |
| 01:27.50 | Pinchiukas | I tried this several years ago. |
| 01:27.59 | Pinchiukas | Spent a lot of time on it but failed nevertheless. :/ |
| 01:28.10 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: I mean OF thing, if it prints smth like "Openfirmware 0.0" it's that |
| 01:28.37 | Pinchiukas | Haven't seen that, I guess... |
| 01:28.51 | Pinchiukas | What is it? Something like a BIOS? |
| 01:29.05 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: never say that word here |
| 01:29.13 | dougmencken | ;) |
| 01:29.27 | Pinchiukas | Hey, I don't like them either. :) |
| 01:30.08 | Pinchiukas | Ok, inserted the CD, rebooting... |
| 01:30.12 | dougmencken | of is a very advanced firmware; it gives us all the info in the matter of shiny structures |
| 01:32.18 | Pinchiukas | Info on what? |
| 01:32.34 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: two scenarios: (1) you're one us now or (2) you need to walkthru some way to be with us :) |
| 01:32.46 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: devices, of course |
| 01:33.03 | Pinchiukas | And change settings, I suppose? :) |
| 01:33.45 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: setting for devices? let me leave, if you want to do that |
| 01:34.24 | dougmencken | sun is rising |
| 01:34.41 | Pinchiukas | I'm thinking about OpenFirmware in terms of BIOS. For example, I think I tried to make it boot from CD the other time I tried to install linux on this machine. |
| 01:34.50 | Pinchiukas | It was some sort of command line. |
| 01:35.22 | dougmencken | I'm not IBM guy :) I'm just patching my Primus |
| 01:36.17 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: but once you're in of prompt, I want to look at your 'devalias' |
| 01:36.32 | Pinchiukas | Ah, so I was right? :) |
| 01:39.00 | dougmencken | that-firmware-nobody-can-speak-that-name forces underlying hardware to run in 16-bit unprotected mode (and even provides some os-specific call vectors); OF does not |
| 01:39.35 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 01:39.49 | Pinchiukas | Seems the machine is boot-cycling with the CD inside. |
| 01:39.59 | Pinchiukas | I guess I was naive to think it's boot from a CD-RW? :) |
| 01:40.29 | Pinchiukas | s/it's/it will/ |
| 01:40.34 | dougmencken | nobody knows does your optical drive treat CD-RW as CD or not |
| 01:40.58 | Pinchiukas | I guess I have to burn a CD. |
| 01:40.59 | dougmencken | it's entirely up to your drive |
| 01:41.48 | Pinchiukas | I'll burn the CD if you bare with me for some more time. :) |
| 01:42.17 | dougmencken | it's 2:42 here, AM :) |
| 01:42.28 | Pinchiukas | 3:42 here :) |
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| 01:43.06 | dougmencken | I'll back in around 8 hours :) |
| 01:43.06 | Pinchiukas | It's now or never. Either I manage to install linux on it now or I have to get rid of it. :/ |
| 01:43.16 | Pinchiukas | You're going to sleep now? |
| 01:43.29 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.02 | dougmencken | yeah, better gift that machine to me instead of getting rid << his last message << yeah << hey, don't |
| 01:44.36 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.54 | qq- | and you have one Old World Processor Type332MHz 604e PowerPC |
| 01:45.19 | Pinchiukas | So I can't boot this machine from a CD? |
| 01:45.36 | qq- | or no |
| 01:45.36 | dougmencken | qq-: poke me tomorrow at ~12 PM |
| 01:46.02 | qq- | dougmencken, why ? |
| 01:46.19 | Pinchiukas | qq-: my machine model is 43p-140. I think it's a 604e but less than 332MHz. |
| 01:46.23 | qq- | http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ < read it Pinchiukas |
| 01:46.39 | dougmencken | "Mon dessin ne représentait pas un chapeau. Il représentait un serpent boa qui digérait un éléphant." |
| 01:47.22 | qq- | Pinchiukas there is too a Model 43P-140 166Mhz |
| 01:47.22 | qq- | dougmencken, jolis |
| 01:47.24 | dougmencken | qq-: 604 doesn't mean it's "old-world" |
| 01:47.35 | dougmencken | anyway, I'm leaving |
| 01:47.51 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: can I bug you tomorrow? :) |
| 01:48.02 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: of course |
| 01:48.24 | Pinchiukas | 12PM is after noon, right? :) |
| 01:49.15 | qq- | midday |
| 01:50.45 | qq- | Pinchiukas, your machine has USB port ? |
| 01:51.14 | Pinchiukas | qq-: the IBM machine? |
| 01:51.34 | qq- | if no >> "old-world" |
| 01:52.02 | qq- | "old-world" is for mac , dunno for IBM |
| 01:52.04 | Pinchiukas | Doesn't look like it does. Can't find any USB ports. |
| 01:53.52 | Pinchiukas | qq-: maybe it's different for IBM. Maybe no USB ports doesn't mean that it's old-world. |
| 01:55.27 | qq- | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en |
| 01:58.20 | Pinchiukas | qq-: so it's PReP? |
| 01:59.39 | qq- | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2001/12/msg00079.html |
| 02:01.29 | qq- | no 604e |
| 02:01.29 | qq- | i dunno |
| 02:01.30 | qq- | if it's PReP >> The PReP boot loader only works on the serial console |
| 02:01.49 | qq- | conform http://fixunix.com/powerpc/13513-debian-rs-6000-43p-model-140-a.html |
| 02:04.11 | Pinchiukas | Umm... So? |
| 02:06.02 | qq- | read the links |
| 02:06.57 | qq- | Pinchiukas, has floppy ? (second ask) |
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| 02:08.25 | somebody_stole_m | Bah! |
| 02:08.40 | Pinchiukas | So a machine is either PReP *OR* CHRP, right? |
| 02:08.40 | Pinchiukas | And both of them have OpenFirmware? |
| 02:08.40 | Pinchiukas | Either my ISP/Country is having problems or the server gives me lags up to 100 seconds. :/ |
| 02:08.47 | somebody_stole_m | lol |
| 02:09.07 | somebody_stole_m | I said that before reconnecting. |
| 02:09.13 | somebody_stole_m | I guess I didn't miss anything? :) |
| 02:09.51 | Pinchiukas | I'll reconnect. |
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| 02:17.31 | Pinchiukas | qq-: eh? :) |
| 02:18.34 | qq- | Pinchiukas, has floppy ? (second ask) |
| 02:18.58 | Pinchiukas | Yes, but I don't have a way to write a floppy disk now. Why do you ask? |
| 02:19.19 | qq- | use floppy to install |
| 02:20.00 | Pinchiukas | But still I need to know whether my machine is CHRP or PReP, right? |
| 02:20.22 | qq- | try google |
| 02:22.32 | qq- | last link say " I downloaded zImage.prep-2.4.19 from www.solinno.co.uk and put it on a> disc (dd)." |
| 02:23.03 | Pinchiukas | Just trying everything you find on the net doesn't relly help. :) |
| 02:23.25 | qq- | really ? |
| 02:23.48 | Pinchiukas | Yeah. :) |
| 02:24.18 | Pinchiukas | Doing stuff without knowing what you're doing sucks. :/ |
| 02:24.27 | qq- | http://fixunix.com/powerpc/13513-debian-rs-6000-43p-model-140-a.html |
| 02:32.35 | Pinchiukas | Woot! Got into the prompt! |
| 02:32.50 | Pinchiukas | I now See "0 > _". |
| 02:39.09 | Pinchiukas | Got a photo of it: http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6478/img18402.jpg |
| 02:40.38 | qq- | cdrom is seen , good think |
| 02:41.46 | qq- | hope your image was burned on RO-CDROM |
| 02:43.17 | Pinchiukas | Seems the only CD burner I have sucks. :/ |
| 02:43.33 | Pinchiukas | 2 CDs went down the drain. |
| 02:43.40 | Pinchiukas | Will have to burn it somewhere else. |
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| 07:41.00 | Nalle_ | Morning |
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| 12:25.16 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: good morning! :) |
| 12:25.30 | Pinchiukas | Look what picture I made last night: http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6478/img18402.jpg :) |
| 13:41.19 | Diytto | Hey dougmencken with squeeze i can view my other HDDs and use my Storage drive :) |
| 13:58.55 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: cool, so you have cdrom alias :) |
| 13:59.12 | dougmencken | Diytto: excellent; upgrade went w/o errors? |
| 13:59.34 | Diytto | Umm |
| 13:59.42 | Diytto | I guess you could say so |
| 14:00.05 | Diytto | There were a lot of the same one but im not sure if it was an error |
| 14:00.14 | dougmencken | ah, fine then |
| 14:01.05 | Diytto | :) |
| 14:01.33 | Diytto | Its pretty cool. I am quite happy with being able to view my other HDDs |
| 14:02.37 | dougmencken | Diytto: what about sound now? |
| 14:04.32 | Diytto | Still not working i think |
| 14:04.37 | Diytto | I am in osx atm :) |
| 14:06.15 | Diytto | I gtg. Leaving for school |
| 14:10.40 | dougmencken | heh, it's early morning on your side |
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| 16:46.15 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: so now I can boot that bootcd? |
| 16:47.18 | Pinchiukas | Gotta burn that cd somewhere. :) |
| 16:48.03 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: yeah, instert it and try 'dir cdrom:\' |
| 16:48.32 | Pinchiukas | Oh, ok. I'm working a little now so I'll have to try it later. :) |
| 16:49.16 | dougmencken | this very windowish command will list your cd's top directory; if it can do it (to read it at least), we'll move on to boot |
| 16:49.54 | Pinchiukas | Can you tell me what to do to try to boot it? In care you're absent at the time I'll be trying it? :) |
| 16:50.58 | dougmencken | something like 'boot cd:,\install\yaboot'; you'll need to find where the yaboot file is |
| 16:52.21 | dougmencken | as about old-world, it's related only for macs, and denotes machines with huge ROM, which cannot boot anything other than Mac OS (classic) |
| 16:52.48 | dougmencken | booting linux on such machines is going after booting half of mac os |
| 17:20.25 | Pinchiukas | Ok, then. :) |
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