| 03:41.39 | dougmencken | dir command can only list the contents of file systems that Open Firmware understands; and this is some early OF, so it's okay; jst try boot |
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| 10:49.52 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: just "boot"? |
| 11:18.43 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: boot cdrom:,yaboot |
| 11:19.09 | dougmencken | oops, i.e. 'boot cdrom:,\yaboot' |
| 11:25.46 | Pinchiukas | Ok, I'll try that. |
| 11:28.12 | Pinchiukas | I think it just stopped responding. |
| 11:30.26 | dougmencken | I would hang if you boot it w/o args :) |
| 11:30.49 | Pinchiukas | ? |
| 11:32.01 | dougmencken | just 'boot' does usually mean "boot by default", like 'boot \:tbxi' on macs |
| 11:32.03 | Pinchiukas | I entered 'boot cdrom:,\yaboot'. |
| 11:32.47 | dougmencken | and? |
| 11:33.21 | Pinchiukas | And it stopped responding. |
| 11:33.56 | dougmencken | are you sure yaboot file is on cd's root? also, try 'probe-all' command before boot |
| 11:34.15 | Pinchiukas | The screen on the box says F4D and a single space has appeared in the monitor after I pressed enter. Now even num lock isn't responding. |
| 11:34.26 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: I just burned the image you gave me. |
| 11:34.52 | dougmencken | ok, can't you tell me which image it was exactly? |
| 11:35.04 | Pinchiukas | Sec. |
| 11:36.14 | Pinchiukas | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 11:36.32 | dougmencken | okay, I'll mount loop it to find yaboot |
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| 11:41.12 | dougmencken | /install/yaboot' so the command to try is 'boot cdrom:,\install\yaboot' |
| 11:43.58 | Pinchiukas | Isn't there a dot at the end of the filename? |
| 11:44.09 | Pinchiukas | The result is the same. |
| 11:44.11 | Pinchiukas | It hung. |
| 11:44.41 | dougmencken | have you ever been possible to boot that machine from cd-rom? what os is on it now (or was before)? |
| 11:45.30 | golfdrink | hello |
| 11:45.51 | dougmencken | golfdrink: hi; ppc userbase is stronger now:) |
| 11:45.56 | golfdrink | i want to install debian on a G5 |
| 11:46.04 | Pinchiukas | Now it has aix, it boots if I wait some 10-15 minutes. :) |
| 11:46.08 | Nalle_ | Why is the ',' there? Isn't it just 'boot cd:/install/yaboot' ? |
| 11:46.53 | dougmencken | Nalle_: bootloader is the second parameter |
| 11:47.05 | dougmencken | device is first |
| 11:47.21 | dougmencken | golfdrink: try the image I gave you link to |
| 11:47.32 | Nalle_ | If you say so :) My memory about OF commands isn't the bezt :) |
| 11:47.42 | golfdrink | dougmencken: i will :D |
| 11:47.56 | dougmencken | golfdrink: it contains ppc64 kernel too |
| 11:49.46 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: I remember, you can take pictures :) can you try to take two pics: (1) 'printenv' command; (2) 'nvedit' command |
| 11:50.21 | Pinchiukas | Ok. :) |
| 11:50.34 | dougmencken | well, nvedit is not required right now |
| 11:51.26 | golfdrink | dougmencken: whats this thing then ? |
| 11:51.48 | dougmencken | golfdrink: iso? it's image of cd-rom |
| 11:52.23 | golfdrink | dougmencken: debian-testing-blabla |
| 11:52.32 | golfdrink | dougmencken: testing ? |
| 11:53.01 | dougmencken | golfdrink: testing is to not to use old so called "stable" stuff :) |
| 11:57.31 | golfdrink | dougmencken: i only have dvd-r :P |
| 11:58.27 | dougmencken | golfdrink: can't it even burd normal CDs? |
| 11:58.31 | dougmencken | burn* |
| 11:58.51 | golfdrink | dougmencken: i only have dvd-r disks |
| 11:59.13 | golfdrink | dougmencken: but fuck it.. its worth it :) |
| 11:59.26 | dougmencken | golfdrink: relax, you can record one session |
| 12:00.42 | golfdrink | dougmencken: but fuck it.. its worth it ? |
| 12:02.26 | dougmencken | golfdrink: definitely; aple abandoned us |
| 12:07.46 | golfdrink | its bootable ? |
| 12:08.50 | golfdrink | dougmencken: do you know if there is a wireless card on G5 machines ? |
| 12:09.24 | dougmencken | golfdrink: yes, it's a bootable CD; which machine do you have actually? |
| 12:10.45 | golfdrink | dougmencken: its a tower |
| 12:12.13 | Pinchiukas | I'm having a hard time uploadint the images to imageshack. :) |
| 12:12.19 | Pinchiukas | What's the best image hosting site nowadays? |
| 12:12.28 | dougmencken | golfdrink: find your beast here -- http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/index-powermac-g5.html |
| 12:16.58 | golfdrink | dougmencken: atm... it wont start.. its just have a little folder flashing a the finder icon and questionmark |
| 12:17.42 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: try http://tinypic.com/ |
| 12:18.13 | dougmencken | golfdrink: reboot and hold down 'option' key |
| 12:18.48 | golfdrink | dougmencken: option key ? im on a logitch keyboard.. |
| 12:19.07 | dougmencken | golfdrink: right 'Alt' key (Alt gr) |
| 12:19.20 | golfdrink | ok |
| 12:23.53 | golfdrink | dougmencken: ok im in the first boot menu och the .iso |
| 12:24.04 | golfdrink | och = of |
| 12:24.52 | golfdrink | dougmencken: this was acutally the same menu that i got when i tryed ubuntu |
| 12:26.28 | golfdrink | dougmencken: now i got to a white screen.. what to do what to do :P |
| 12:27.19 | golfdrink | dougmencken: it says : Release keys to continue! ? |
| 12:28.36 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: http://i53.tinypic.com/15xtrhz.jpg and http://i56.tinypic.com/20gln2b.jpg |
| 12:33.44 | dougmencken | golfdrink: is it yaboot prompt? if yes, try pressing 'tab' key to get list of kernels |
| 12:34.04 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: diving into |
| 12:35.25 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: looks like you can't boot from cd directly, only via floppy |
| 12:35.46 | Pinchiukas | Why not? |
| 12:36.16 | golfdrink | dougmencken: it is.. ive tryed tab - install but it hanged on som white screen |
| 12:36.41 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: I'll search something about that |
| 12:37.54 | dougmencken | golfdrink: now append video=ofonly debug, i.e boot command would be 'install video=ofonly debug' |
| 12:38.47 | golfdrink | dougmencken: so : ?install video=ofonly |
| 12:38.56 | dougmencken | golfdrink: and debug too |
| 12:39.44 | golfdrink | ok |
| 12:39.46 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: which is the full title of your machine? |
| 12:41.18 | golfdrink | dougmencken: same white screen saying release key to continue.. and i cant do nothing. |
| 12:41.48 | dougmencken | golfdrink: which other kernels you have listed when you pree 'tab' on yaboot prompt? |
| 12:42.00 | dougmencken | golfdrink: like install64 maybe? |
| 12:42.15 | golfdrink | dougmencken: yes |
| 12:42.22 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: http://penguinppc.org/~hollisb/linux/carolina/ << worth to read |
| 12:42.25 | golfdrink | dougmencken: ill try that then |
| 12:42.41 | dougmencken | golfdrink: your machine needs 64-bit kernel |
| 12:44.19 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: it really might be that your machine is PReP, not CHRP :( |
| 12:48.45 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: this one? http://www.spec.org/gwpg/pastissues/Dec96/plb/IBM/summary/IBM.005.html and http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=pseries&htmlfid=897/ENUS7043-140 |
| 12:48.53 | golfdrink | dougmencken: thanks!! now i got to the select language screen :D |
| 12:49.53 | dougmencken | golfdrink: fine |
| 12:50.11 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: yes, it's a 43p-140. |
| 12:50.39 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: IBM RS/6000 Model 43P-140 (PreP) |
| 12:51.51 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: so you may start with older linuxes, like Woody ( http://halamar.hu/krichard/43p-140/ ), then to upgrade that to newest |
| 12:52.22 | dougmencken | and yes, if 'dir' fails on cdrom: |
| 12:52.36 | dougmencken | then of will be unable to locate bootloader |
| 12:55.37 | Pinchiukas | Why older linuxes? |
| 12:56.39 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: I doubt current ones supply floppies with kernels configured to be PReP-capable |
| 13:02.25 | Pinchiukas | Could you take a peek? :) |
| 13:02.42 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: so you need to at least *install anything*, then to move on; you can always upgrade later |
| 13:03.48 | Pinchiukas | I don't think I can install yellowdog and then upgrade to debian. :) |
| 13:04.39 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: another choice is network booting |
| 13:04.59 | Pinchiukas | I guess that could be even easier... If someone would help me. :) |
| 13:05.12 | Pinchiukas | I'm probably not that educated about booting/bootloaders and stuff. |
| 13:05.22 | Pinchiukas | Especially when it comes to network boot. |
| 13:05.49 | Pinchiukas | Does that machine support network booting anyway? |
| 13:05.52 | pahartik | Pinchiukas: One can install whatever that uses "yaboot" to boot and then configure "yaboot" to run "Debian GNU/Linux installer" from "/boot/" |
| 13:07.18 | Pinchiukas | pahartik: you mean just use some other distros boot image or something and then install debian? |
| 13:08.42 | pahartik | Pinchiukas: If getting installer to run is problem... |
| 13:08.53 | dougmencken | can't find *any* linux boot floppy for prep :( |
| 13:08.57 | Pinchiukas | As for the booting tools, I have tftpd32, a windows tftp server so I can boot from my windows machine. |
| 13:09.08 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: you mean, not even old ones? |
| 13:09.29 | dougmencken | will serach tightly |
| 13:22.24 | dougmencken | as for network booting, "On a PReP machine, you should try boot server_ipaddr,file,client_ipaddr. " |
| 13:23.47 | Pinchiukas | What is the client address of the machine? :) |
| 13:24.39 | dougmencken | ipv4 address, I suppose, like 192.168.1.123 |
| 13:24.57 | dougmencken | file is the bootloader, like yaboot |
| 13:25.02 | dougmencken | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ |
| 13:25.29 | Pinchiukas | No, I mean, I should probably find out what my machine IP address is set to, right? :) |
| 13:25.36 | Pinchiukas | Or will it acquire it via DHCP? |
| 13:26.01 | dougmencken | ah yes, you're on very early stage |
| 13:26.18 | Pinchiukas | Yeah. :) |
| 13:26.29 | dougmencken | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en |
| 13:26.50 | dougmencken | "You need to set up a TFTP server, and for many machines a DHCP server, or BOOTP server." |
| 13:27.08 | dougmencken | I suppose you'll get address from those servers |
| 13:28.15 | Pinchiukas | Ok that's good. |
| 13:28.37 | Pinchiukas | So I can just plug the machine into my lan and watch if it gets an IP address? |
| 13:28.52 | Pinchiukas | It should get the IP before giving me the command line? |
| 13:28.57 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: you can try and cross the fingers |
| 13:29.10 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 13:29.12 | Pinchiukas | Ok. |
| 13:29.52 | dougmencken | never netbooted himself |
| 13:30.29 | Pinchiukas | Me neither... |
| 13:30.33 | Pinchiukas | ...successfully. :) |
| 13:32.09 | dougmencken | you have 'net' device alias, you can try 'dev net' and then 'ls' and '.properties' |
| 13:32.11 | pahartik | Pinchiukas: IPv4 address of server or client is not needed from DHCP or BOOTP, if one types it as part of "boot" command |
| 13:32.32 | golfdrink | dougmencken: the last thing that happend now was that i got a message the yboot dodnt succeed.. Varning: you system can be impossible to start. |
| 13:32.57 | Pinchiukas | pahartik: you mean, I the address from the command is set on the machine? |
| 13:32.59 | dougmencken | golfdrink: what the sheiÃer? |
| 13:33.15 | dougmencken | doubts it's MAC address |
| 13:33.40 | golfdrink | dougmencken: umm.. what ? |
| 13:33.43 | dougmencken | 'dev /net .properties' actually |
| 13:34.33 | dougmencken | golfdrink: did linux booted? have you seen tux logo(s) (make sure to append debug to install64 kernel name) |
| 13:35.17 | golfdrink | so i will reboot and then in yaboot menu : install64 debug ? |
| 13:35.35 | Pinchiukas | So the machine didn't get the IP via DHCP. |
| 13:35.38 | dougmencken | golfdrink: yeah |
| 13:35.48 | pahartik | Pinchiukas: "boot" configures network interface, at least on my NewWorld PowerMacintosh and UltraSPARC... |
| 13:36.23 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: afaik, DHCP servers can pin the specified ip for given MAC address |
| 13:36.34 | Pinchiukas | "pin"? |
| 13:36.55 | Pinchiukas | You mean, associate a MAC address with an IP address? |
| 13:37.05 | Pinchiukas | Yeah, I think my DHCP server does that. |
| 13:37.06 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: well, "reserve" or whatever; for example, my machine always gets the same ip from the above abouter |
| 13:37.11 | Pinchiukas | But I don't think it matters. |
| 13:37.19 | dougmencken | s/abouter/router/ |
| 13:37.29 | Pinchiukas | Yeah, mine too. |
| 13:37.49 | Pinchiukas | So I should attempt to netboot by setting the client address in the command? |
| 13:37.52 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: it will matter if network is initialized as part of "boot" command |
| 13:38.26 | Pinchiukas | So I absolutely must "initialize the network" before attempting to netboot? |
| 13:39.43 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: I'm sure there's some command to initialize it before booting; time to search |
| 13:40.58 | dougmencken | heh, gurus can even run telnet server directly from OF: "If you do get an ok, you can run a TELNET server on it: |
| 13:41.00 | dougmencken | " enet:telnet,10.0.0.1" io " |
| 13:43.34 | dougmencken | also found special floppies with debian woody kernel: http://users.linpro.no/ingvar/43p/images/Debian/ |
| 13:43.58 | Pinchiukas | Maybe I can use them to netboot? |
| 13:44.22 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: you can you them to boot locally, from floppy |
| 13:44.49 | Pinchiukas | I'd first need to find a way to write one. :) |
| 13:44.59 | dougmencken | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IBM7248-HOWTO/floppies.html |
| 13:47.20 | Pinchiukas | But booting from a floppy would be easier? |
| 13:48.51 | Pinchiukas | I'm thinkit which approach to take... :) |
| 13:49.38 | dougmencken | if you have floppy drive, I'd try floppies first; if you have required servers/services (and you mentioned) I'd try network boot |
| 13:49.55 | Pinchiukas | I don't have a floppy drive. |
| 13:50.14 | Pinchiukas | Well I do, but I'd have to connect it to a machine that I'm using as a router atm. :) |
| 13:50.46 | Pinchiukas | Netboot might be easier apart from that initialization thing... |
| 13:57.14 | Pinchiukas | On a side note: if I want to boot from network, I need to point the machine to the bootloader file or to a kernel file? |
| 13:58.09 | Pinchiukas | Everywhere it's saying "boot server_ipaddr,file,client_ipaddr". And nothing about initialization, DHCP or setting the IP address. |
| 13:59.10 | Pinchiukas | http://www.efika.de/download/Efika.readme.pdf |
| 13:59.16 | dougmencken | Pinchiukas: it is obviously not kernel |
| 13:59.25 | Pinchiukas | By default, server-ip and client-ip are empty and the boot-protocol is dhcp. |
| 13:59.47 | Pinchiukas | ^ from that pdf. |
| 14:05.34 | Pinchiukas | For example, to boot the file "kernel_efika" with "root=/dev/mpc52xx_ata1" as argument on the server 192.168.0.20 and with 192.168.0.22 as machine IP type: |
| 14:05.37 | Pinchiukas | ok boot eth:192.168.0.20,kernel_efika,192.168.0.22 kernel_efika root=/dev/mpc52xx_ata1 |
| 14:05.51 | Pinchiukas | So what should the machine netbooting be pointed to? |
| 14:12.48 | Pinchiukas | If one IP is missing, the OF will either use the default one (server-ip and/or |
| 14:12.51 | Pinchiukas | client-ip environment variables), if boot-protocol is rarp or get one using DHCP if it is dhcp. |
| 14:13.04 | Pinchiukas | So I guess I should set boot-protocol to dhcp and just try that command? |
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| 14:22.06 | golfdrink | dougmencken: i still get the same error... tfaliure of installation och starthandler |
| 14:38.41 | Pinchiukas | dougmencken: is there a floppy image that I could boot? |
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| 14:48.57 | golfdrink | dougmencken: did you get my last massage ? |
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