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| 06:28.13 | linuxguy101 | hi |
| 06:37.20 | rdm0 | Hello, linuxguy101! |
| 06:37.32 | linuxguy101 | hi |
| 06:37.51 | linuxguy101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.03 | linuxguy101 | ext4? |
| 06:54.56 | linuxguy101 | rdm0: |
| 07:07.37 | rdm0 | Well, it can use different ones, but by default, I think you'll find it uses ext4 |
| 07:08.35 | rdm0 | This may not be your best choice if you're planning to dual-boot, and want to modify the system from Mac OS X. Basically, any journalled system doesn't currently like being modified externally. |
| 07:09.07 | rdm0 | On the other hand, journaled systems are much, much more robust. |
| 07:20.25 | linuxguy101 | rdm0: i want to install debian but i dont want to format my home partition |
| 07:20.33 | linuxguy101 | will it allow me to do that? |
| 07:20.40 | linuxguy101 | or will it auto erace everything |
| 07:20.45 | linuxguy101 | which is not what i want |
| 07:24.36 | linuxguy101 | your debian installer is very poor and is not very explanitory on what it is doing |
| 08:01.09 | rdm0 | Well, it's not my installer, so please bear with me as I try to help you figure out what you need to know. |
| 08:01.55 | rdm0 | So, you have a disk that has already been partitioned? And you want to install in one of the existing partitions without messing up one of the other existing partitions? |
| 08:24.48 | simonlnu | linuxguy101: see the installation guide. no, it doesn't touch /home unless you re-do the partitions |
| 08:25.17 | simonlnu | you must tell it to use the current /home partition |
| 08:25.28 | simonlnu | (this *is* covered...) |
| 08:26.01 | linuxguy101 | simonlnu: got that figured out.. |
| 08:26.27 | linuxguy101 | simonlnu: i am now trying to install kde and i am using the live disk |
| 08:26.50 | linuxguy101 | simonlnu: i am a newbe to debian, and from mandriva so things are allot diffrent here |
| 08:27.00 | simonlnu | it doesn't use ext4, yet, either. ext3, or others. yes they are. |
| 08:27.18 | linuxguy101 | simonlnu: mine is now.. |
| 08:27.30 | linuxguy101 | ext 4 is working |
| 08:27.39 | rdm0 | ? I was under the impression there wasn't a 'live' ppc disc for debian, only an install disc. |
| 08:28.05 | linuxguy101 | i am trying to run multiple diffrent gui's |
| 08:28.29 | simonlnu | didn't say it didn't work, did i? said the installer doesn't use it by default. |
| 08:28.40 | simonlnu | at once? |
| 08:29.39 | linuxguy101 | to have them installed,.. i am sure i can log in on a tty terminal and load up multiple user accts running diff gui's |
| 08:30.40 | linuxguy101 | omg you dont have bzflag in your software library. |
| 08:31.08 | simonlnu | yes |
| 08:31.18 | simonlnu | no, it was removed, iirc |
| 08:32.07 | linuxguy101 | iirc? |
| 08:32.45 | linuxguy101 | i use bzflag as a test program on the graphics side of the hardware and how well it is working with the distro on the io |
| 08:33.25 | simonlnu | 'if i recall correctly' |
| 08:34.25 | linuxguy101 | what is the software installer that you use?? |
| 08:34.31 | linuxguy101 | i see 2 installers here now. |
| 08:34.53 | linuxguy101 | i see the synaptic package manager, and there is another one.. |
| 08:34.56 | linuxguy101 | which is best? |
| 08:35.05 | simonlnu | i use aptitude |
| 08:35.43 | simonlnu | there's several, actually. a couple ncurses ones, and 3 (?) gtk based ones |
| 08:37.04 | linuxguy101 | that one is terminal based.. |
| 08:37.16 | linuxguy101 | nice i like it but i am looking for something more simple |
| 08:37.50 | linuxguy101 | simonlnu: ok how do i install kde? |
| 08:38.01 | linuxguy101 | i need to have gnome and kde installed |
| 08:41.17 | simonlnu | the bot in #debian told you |
| 08:46.11 | linuxguy101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.40 | linuxguy101 | that tells me nothing.. i am past the installer, and i have loaded up the full debian in gnome |
| 08:46.45 | linuxguy101 | where do i go from here? |
| 08:50.51 | simonlnu | aptitude install kde-standard (for example) |
| 08:51.35 | simonlnu | you seemd to have skipped parts |
| 08:52.39 | rdm0 | Good luck! |
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| 08:56.50 | linuxguy101 | ya i have.. |
| 08:57.11 | linuxguy101 | i need a backup audio producion box set up in 24 hour. so far looks good |
| 08:57.34 | linuxguy101 | audio is working better than mandriva |
| 08:57.39 | linuxguy101 | which crashes all the time |
| 08:57.53 | linuxguy101 | i dont have the time to debug it all |
| 09:07.19 | simonlnu | shouldn't be much of a problem then |
| 09:08.37 | simonlnu | you'll want to ask the dpkg bot in #debian about 'dmm' (no quotes, /msg dpkg dmm) - there's some "non-free" stuff you'll want from there. contains a lot of multimedia packages. |
| 09:10.04 | simonlnu | anything else, you'll have to ask the volunteers over there since i'm also gonna disappear into my bed soon ;) |
| 09:11.15 | simonlnu | linuxguy101: you'll also want to enable 'contrib' and 'non-free', as there might also be some stuff there you want for your type of box. |
| 09:11.30 | simonlnu | again, the bot has that info as well |
| 09:11.54 | simonlnu | my bot isn't up right now. poor thing's been mutilated by me ;p. |
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| 17:30.37 | dougmencken | as for live cd... there's actually *no live cds* for powerpc, except the only one single exception: Finnix |
| 17:31.31 | dougmencken | the resons for this are unknown; maybe they think that ppc users will never use livecds, and are very installation-only addicted ones :/ |
| 17:33.23 | dougmencken | on the other side, this might me "mac-vs-pc" side effect: why don't we have HFS+ write support but having un-needed NTFS? why HPFS has been so broken in .39 (having 95% the same structures as NTFS, because M$ stolen HPFS thing from IBM)? |
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| 17:34.02 | simonlnu | hpfs? you mean hfs+? |
| 17:34.46 | dougmencken | simonlnu: os/2's fs - hpfs, broken in .39; no write support with apple's os - hfs extended (a.k.a. hfs+); two different fses |
| 17:35.18 | simonlnu | yeh, i know. was asking because i thought you were confusing them. ok. |
| 17:35.54 | simonlnu | clearly you weren't then :). |
| 17:36.19 | dougmencken | I am confused why do kernel guys believe "it's mac os x or win/linux, so we do very very very very need full NTFS support, and don't care about others" |
| 17:36.49 | simonlnu | that i think it depends on several factors |
| 17:36.52 | dougmencken | currently, when mac is just pc with x86 intel inside, 95% of macs do have windows installed |
| 17:37.17 | dougmencken | os x has ful ntfs support, right |
| 17:37.54 | dougmencken | simonlnu: I know these factors: they are "we do think mac users are gay" |
| 17:38.03 | dougmencken | so something stupid |
| 17:38.17 | simonlnu | brb |
| 17:38.23 | dougmencken | like "we do not have enough hardware" |
| 17:38.51 | dougmencken | or "windows is everywhere, 99.9999999999999% uses windows and ntfs" |
| 17:39.01 | dougmencken | and so on |
| 17:41.14 | dougmencken | sorry, if I do bother, I'm just frustrated a little |
| 17:51.53 | simonlnu | s'ok, understandable, and i somewhat agree too, except to say that some other factors i'd say include time constraints for the hpfs maintainer(s) to work on it, and os/2 isn't all that used much any more i don't think. |
| 17:53.04 | dougmencken | time constraints for free software? |
| 17:53.18 | dougmencken | just claim it as regression and blocker |
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| 17:53.31 | dougmencken | and don't apply bad patches |
| 17:55.50 | simonlnu | though i suspect that they also are paid to work on it, like the ppc devs |
| 17:56.02 | simonlnu | so time isn't a factor |
| 17:56.25 | dougmencken | simonlnu: benh wasn't paid when he wrote 90% of all ppc stuff |
| 17:56.46 | simonlnu | yup, true |
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| 19:40.22 | dougmencken | scheiÃer! transmission dropped osx-ppc |
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| 21:24.08 | jjholt | does |
| 21:24.35 | jjholt | debian include cross compile tools x86 -> ppc |
| 21:24.51 | jjholt | or do i have to build them from source? |
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