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| 02:46.23 | simonlnu | and don't load acpi, it's useless |
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| 08:10.03 | Nalle_ | Morning'ish :) |
| 08:18.51 | pahartik | Hello Nalle_ IPv4 |
| 08:19.52 | Nalle_ | Hey Paha |
| 08:58.44 | pahartik | Nalle_: I just prepared breakfast and had another drink |
| 09:13.11 | Nalle_ | Nice. I am too having a bit of coffee |
| 09:13.27 | Nalle_ | Should perhaps do something semi-useful today |
| 09:13.28 | Nalle_ | Or then not |
| 09:13.32 | Nalle_ | :) |
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| 20:02.31 | rdm0 | How come powerpc sbcl didn't make it into squeeze? |
| 20:03.41 | dougmencken | sbcl? what's it? |
| 20:05.18 | rdm0 | Steel Bank Common Lisp |
| 20:05.37 | dougmencken | wow |
| 20:05.48 | dougmencken | is happy with guile |
| 20:06.05 | rdm0 | It was in Lenny. And the source and doc are in squeeze, but not the sbcl package. |
| 20:06.22 | dougmencken | rdm0: then just open a bug |
| 20:06.42 | dougmencken | more ppc bugs --> more attention to ppc platform |
| 20:06.46 | rdm0 | I was wondering if there was a reason. |
| 20:20.21 | rdm0 | Ah, there is one. |
| 20:20.31 | rdm0 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526967 |
| 20:21.10 | rdm0 | Someone had a problem with the autobuild under mips, so he decided to drop support for alpha. sparc, mips, mipsel and powerpc in one shot. |
| 20:21.42 | dougmencken | lemme look |
| 20:49.59 | rdm0 | That seems a rather 'undebian' attitude, I must say. |
| 20:50.56 | dougmencken | rdm0: if that hurts you, why don't you file new bug? |
| 20:51.34 | rdm0 | I think it's more apropos to send the person who decided to drop support an email asking for a bit of clarification first. |
| 20:52.29 | rdm0 | I mean, I can always 'roll my own', but the entire idea is to help others so they don't have to. |
| 20:52.35 | dougmencken | rdm0: you'll wait for months then |
| 20:52.48 | rdm0 | For an email reply? |
| 20:52.54 | dougmencken | yep |
| 20:53.11 | rdm0 | Is this particular person notorious in that way? |
| 20:53.36 | dougmencken | does check my e-mail once per 1-2 week(s) |
| 20:54.02 | dougmencken | and there's 100.200 msgs per 1-2 weeks |
| 20:54.15 | rdm0 | *sigh* |
| 20:54.20 | dougmencken | just suppose what if there're say 1000 msgs per week |
| 20:54.30 | rdm0 | Still ... it's the 'right' thing to do. |
| 20:54.35 | dougmencken | bug reports are cool because many guys read them |
| 20:55.15 | rdm0 | Filing a bug report just says that the person shouldn't have dropped support, which could be seen as a slight on his mantenance. |
| 20:55.36 | rdm0 | Offering to help him support it would seem to be the 'better' way. |
| 20:56.43 | rdm0 | At least, better than just compiling it myself and ignoring everyone else. |
| 20:56.59 | dougmencken | maybe,... yeah, you |
| 20:57.03 | dougmencken | are right |
| 20:57.22 | rdm0 | No sure. ^^;; |
| 20:57.28 | rdm0 | No -> Not |
| 20:57.35 | rdm0 | But it's worth a shot. :-) |
| 20:57.44 | dougmencken | but withing bug report, you can append patches and so on, and many guys can see it |
| 20:57.58 | rdm0 | True. |
| 20:58.00 | rdm0 | However.... |
| 20:58.01 | dougmencken | and try to test, to re-produce, etc. |
| 20:58.19 | rdm0 | Odds are good I might need some help to compile it if I run into some problems. |
| 20:58.41 | rdm0 | Odds are that this guy would be the 'best' to get a hold of to help with those kinds of problems anyway. |
| 20:59.21 | rdm0 | So rather than potentially cause him some embarrassment before asking for his help, I think asking what I can do to help first is maybe a safer course of action. |
| 21:00.10 | dougmencken | okay okay :) |
| 21:00.23 | dougmencken | just don't went so serious |
| 21:00.51 | rdm0 | My experience is mainly in the Fink world, and there it's a mixed bag whether to work with the current developer, or with all the other developers 'in spite' of the current developer. |
| 21:01.25 | rdm0 | Politics is so much a part of success, after all. :-P |
| 21:02.08 | rdm0 | I'm not as familiar with the debian community. |
| 21:02.59 | rdm0 | I'm hoping, though, since they tend to not abandon architectures, that they are inherently a more 'open and forgiving' sort. |
| 21:03.55 | rdm0 | But I'm sure it's a big spectrum full of out-liers, and who knows how much of a misconception I have anyway. |
| 21:03.58 | rdm0 | Still... |
| 21:04.24 | rdm0 | Take out insurance in case of the worst case, plan for the most likely, and hope for the best! :-) |
| 21:09.53 | dougmencken | rdm0: time to realx... and to sleep (at least for me :) |
| 21:10.03 | rdm0 | Good night! |
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| 23:18.47 | midoubleko | anyone know why my g4 screen goes blank on boot but not when booting the 'old' kernel? Nothing seems to rouse it I have to force a power off |
| 23:21.15 | dougmencken_ | midoubleko: "old"? |
| 23:21.40 | midoubleko | selecting old kernel on boot |
| 23:22.05 | midoubleko | choice is linux or old |
| 23:22.38 | dougmencken_ | ah; did you tried "debug" ... i.e. boot using yaboot with: 'linux video=ofonly debug' |
| 23:29.38 | midoubleko | will give it a try |
| 23:35.22 | midoubleko | dougmencken_: still went blank booting |
| 23:39.29 | midoubleko | not sure what the debug did, does it just mean there is is a more in depth log ont he system now? |
| 23:43.59 | dougmencken_ | midoubleko: do you ever entered yaboot? |
| 23:44.17 | dougmencken_ | s/do you/did you/ |
| 23:45.08 | midoubleko | yeah it boots some way in txt mode but the switch to gui makes it freeze witht he current kernel |
| 23:46.27 | midoubleko | i can choose 'old' in yaboot and it boots normally |
| 23:46.39 | dougmencken_ | midoubleko: try some livecd to edit your /etc/inittab to have id:3:initdefault: |
| 23:57.26 | rdm0 | I had trouble going from Lenny to Squeeze because the support for my graphics chip wasn't so hot in Squeeze. I had to modify my xorg.conf to get things 'graphical' again. |