| 00:00.28 | midoubleko | rdm0: does a system booting the old kernel and the new kernel access the same xorg.conf information? |
| 00:00.57 | midoubleko | does it just need to be tailored to suit the newer kernel? |
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| 00:11.13 | rdm0 | Well, it depends if you have a particular graphics chip that worked fine without any particularly special xorg.conf configuration, but now requires something specific. |
| 00:11.43 | midoubleko | rdm0: yeah I might have a problem |
| 00:11.56 | rdm0 | In my case, I had a Rage Mobility 128 chip, and it was a bit pickier for some reason in Squeeze than in Lenny. |
| 00:12.23 | midoubleko | what did you do in the end? |
| 00:12.45 | rdm0 | For example, the default screen size wasn't even an option in the new Squeeze. |
| 00:12.59 | rdm0 | I messed with the xorg.conf until it worked. |
| 00:13.01 | midoubleko | rdm0: ahhhh ok |
| 00:13.51 | rdm0 | It certainly helped to look around at other example ones, of course. |
| 00:13.59 | rdm0 | Different chips have different options |
| 00:14.05 | midoubleko | rdm0: ok |
| 00:26.34 | simonlnu | some of those have man pages (like man radeon) |
| 00:43.35 | midoubleko | rdm0: I'm not so sure it's a xorg problem as the whole machine freezes |
| 00:43.51 | midoubleko | just as it boots gnome |
| 00:45.19 | rdm0 | Have you tried booting it without video? |
| 00:45.44 | midoubleko | how do I do that? |
| 00:45.54 | rdm0 | That is, does the new kernel at least come up completely? |
| 00:45.56 | rdm0 | Hmmmm |
| 00:46.03 | rdm0 | Don't remember! ^^;; |
| 00:46.09 | rdm0 | There is a way to do that, however. |
| 00:46.13 | rdm0 | A boot option |
| 00:46.38 | rdm0 | Something you type at the yaboot prompt.... |
| 00:46.42 | midoubleko | video=ofonly |
| 00:47.04 | rdm0 | That certainly sounds good! :-) |
| 00:47.31 | midoubleko | I tried that but same thing happened |
| 00:48.17 | rdm0 | Then you might be right, it might not be a video issue. |
| 00:48.18 | simonlnu | rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm |
| 00:48.43 | midoubleko | what does that delete? |
| 00:48.59 | simonlnu | a symlink. prevents gdm from starting at boot |
| 00:49.34 | simonlnu | you can also echo false to /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 00:49.36 | rdm0 | Isn't it safer to just rename it, so you can put it back afterwards? |
| 00:50.29 | simonlnu | it's a symlink. you can easily recreate it |
| 00:51.10 | simonlnu | make note of it first, or cp (--no-dereference) it from the one in rc3.d |
| 00:51.50 | midoubleko | hmmmmm |
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| 00:54.08 | midoubleko | I don't even know why I want this desktop running again |
| 00:55.07 | midoubleko | souncard never works |
| 00:55.12 | midoubleko | now the video |
| 00:55.25 | midoubleko | took me long enough to get wifi running |
| 00:56.02 | midoubleko | just tinkering and a make do and mend attitude |
| 01:01.55 | rdm0 | Hey, it's silly to keep stuff around that isn't useful. The longer you wait to fix a broken item, the longer you didn't get any use out of it. |
| 01:02.28 | midoubleko | rdm0: very true |
| 01:02.28 | rdm0 | Then again, that's an old farmer attitude. Not sure if it's an outdated attitude nowadays. |
| 01:03.15 | simonlnu | no, it still applies ;) |
| 01:03.43 | midoubleko | I just don't know what I'm doing when trying to fix it half the time |
| 01:03.58 | rdm0 | Really? I would swear there were folks interested in opening up a 'spare parts museum' by the way they keep old broken stuff around, sometimes... |
| 01:04.28 | midoubleko | rdm0: lol I know the syndrome |
| 01:05.23 | rdm0 | Besides, the overall time that computer will be useful is measured in months. If you wait too long, there'll be no point in wasting time on it at all. |
| 01:05.51 | rdm0 | But in the meantime, fixing it will probably help develop some skills that will even be useful even after that computer is long gone... |
| 01:06.08 | midoubleko | I think it has had it's day but yes it is helping me learn a little |
| 01:06.44 | rdm0 | puzzles, puzzles, puzzles! |
| 01:07.53 | rdm0 | And there's nothing wrong with getting hints at appropriate times... |
| 01:08.25 | midoubleko | lol |
| 01:09.25 | midoubleko | the douncard has midi and friend has a monitor keyboard I could have so I could turn the whole thing into a big synth |
| 01:09.37 | midoubleko | soundcard* |
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