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| 17:54.59 | crazy2k | Hi. I'm on Debian wheezy on PowerPC. How can I use a modern browser like chromium-browser or iceweasel 4/5? I added the Mozilla's team repository, but it only has packages for x86. |
| 18:02.07 | pahartik | crazy2k: Debian has "iceweasel 5.0-2" for "powerpc" on "experimental" repository |
| 18:02.08 | rdm0 | I wasn't aware any chromium browser was available in PowerPC. |
| 18:04.26 | crazy2k | pahartik: I'm new to Debian. I should add the experimental repository and install that package from it? Is it safe? |
| 18:05.08 | rdm0 | You have to be very careful. |
| 18:05.46 | rdm0 | The normal way to use repositories is that everything is from the same one. |
| 18:06.10 | pahartik | crazy2k: It may break anything, and most likely depends on other packages from "testing" or "unstable" |
| 18:06.40 | crazy2k | :/ |
| 18:07.11 | rdm0 | The danger is that suddenly your updates see all the experimental items as 'newer', and wants to upgrade everything to the things in the experimental repository. |
| 18:07.17 | rdm0 | You have to make sure that doesn't happen. |
| 18:07.35 | crazy2k | Yes, I thought the problem might be that. |
| 18:07.52 | crazy2k | And how do you add a repository and tell apt-get that you don't want to use it |
| 18:07.53 | rdm0 | By the same token, the experimental iceweazel MAY require some other experimental packages as dependencies. |
| 18:07.55 | crazy2k | except for some packages? |
| 18:08.18 | rdm0 | Not sure ^^;; |
| 18:08.39 | crazy2k | Yeah. I guess updating IceWeasel might end up updating my whole system to experimental :/ |
| 18:09.26 | rdm0 | Is there a particular reason you need some browser beyond iceweazel 3.X.X? |
| 18:10.03 | rdm0 | I don't think there is any 4.X.X, they skipped directly from 3 to 5. |
| 18:10.16 | rdm0 | And 5 was just released. |
| 18:11.53 | rdm0 | The Mozila people are still issuing security updates for 3.X.X, so it's not in any danger of being 'compromised', as it were. |
| 18:13.24 | pahartik | rdm0: It seems "iceweasel 4.0" and "iceweasel 4.0.1" showed up only on "experimental"... |
| 18:13.32 | rdm0 | Unless there was a particular new feature in the newest browsers you require, they're a bit 'bleeding edge'. |
| 18:13.59 | crazy2k | Well, 3.X is slow. And I'm on an old machine. And there are some sites that don't like Firefox 3.X, like the recent Google+ |
| 18:14.51 | rdm0 | r-e-a-l-l-y? Google+ doesn't like Firefox 3.X? I find that really surprising. |
| 18:16.00 | rdm0 | There also might be some PPC 7400-optimized Firefoxes out there. Do you know which processor you have? |
| 18:16.36 | crazy2k | $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep cpu |
| 18:16.38 | crazy2k | cpu: 7447A, altivec supported |
| 18:17.49 | crazy2k | Uhmm. Google+ sometimes tells me my browser is not supported, but now is working, apparently. |
| 18:18.05 | pahartik | crazy2k: Document at "http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_5.0-2/changelog" |
| 18:25.09 | simonlnu | uuoc award goes to crazy2k |
| 18:25.45 | rdm0 | Depending on your Desktop Environment, you might want to check out Konqueror, it can be pretty fast. But that's only if you're running KDE already, which is a big slowdown on older systems to start with. |
| 18:27.12 | simonlnu | if s/he's got a buncha ram it won't matter much |
| 18:28.59 | rdm0 | Bunch being >2GB? >4GB? |
| 18:29.55 | rdm0 | I'm assuming 1GB doesn't count as a 'bunch'. ^^;; |
| 18:34.47 | simonlnu | i'd say 1 GB or more |
| 18:34.57 | simonlnu | i'm running kde now on 768 MB |
| 18:35.12 | simonlnu | and it's pretty good. kde 4.6.x |
| 18:35.20 | crazy2k | I have 256MB of RAM, so... |
| 18:35.26 | simonlnu | kde 4.0.x was horrible |
| 18:35.44 | simonlnu | you'll do ok with xfce on that |
| 18:36.24 | simonlnu | i'd get some ram for it. pc133 is cheap, and ppc is always a bit hoggier on ram than some other arches. |
| 18:36.45 | simonlnu | put it this way, they like having room |
| 18:38.34 | crazy2k | I'm using LXDE actually. |
| 18:38.56 | rdm0 | That's what I run. |
| 18:39.10 | rdm0 | Has a few bugs in Squeeze, however. |
| 18:39.14 | simonlnu | that's fine too ;) |
| 18:39.25 | rdm0 | Is there any reason you don't upgrade the memory? |
| 18:39.34 | simonlnu | gnome 3.x is a pita |
| 18:40.11 | rdm0 | My laptop will only take a max of 1GB, and there's a HUGE difference between 512 and 768 on this machine, I noticed. |
| 18:40.12 | simonlnu | even doubling it will do nicely |
| 18:40.26 | simonlnu | yeh, i noticed that too |
| 18:40.38 | rdm0 | But the difference betweeen 768 and 1GB wasn't as noticable. |
| 18:40.53 | rdm0 | Significant, but just not as dramatic. |
| 18:40.55 | simonlnu | 256 made it swap too much, 512 less so, then 768 was almost like a magic number |
| 18:41.33 | rdm0 | *nods* |
| 18:41.42 | rdm0 | I read that somewhere, actually. |
| 18:42.06 | rdm0 | Someone had plotted out the performance graphs with how much memory you had. |
| 18:42.15 | rdm0 | I think it was over at xlr8yourmac.com |
| 18:43.21 | rdm0 | And memory is cheap enough these days you'd think it would be a 'no-brainer' upgrade. |
| 18:44.01 | rdm0 | You just need to find some computer repair store, and see what kind of price they'll give you for some old memory that's the right size. |
| 18:44.23 | rdm0 | Alternatively, you can check out the prices at Crucial.com or otherworldcomputing.com. |
| 18:45.02 | rdm0 | Sometimes otherworldcomputing has some clearance stuff. |
| 18:45.41 | simonlnu | owc, i've had good experience with them |
| 18:45.50 | rdm0 | Me too! :-) |
| 18:46.40 | rdm0 | Sadly, this system won't address >128GB disks on the motherboard. It will deal with external disks bigger than that, but it only has USB 1.1 and half-duplex Firewire (was a mistake on this model). |
| 18:47.42 | rdm0 | Conceptually, I guess if someone made a PCMCIA SATA card, I might be in better shape. But really, at some point, it's smarter to put the money into a newer laptop. ^^;;; |
| 18:49.21 | simonlnu | yes. at some point you get to a point of diminishing returns |
| 18:49.30 | rdm0 | *nods* |
| 18:50.51 | rdm0 | 23MB/s reads, 16 MB/s writes on the Firewire. |
| 18:54.22 | simonlnu | pretty good for that generation |
| 18:56.58 | rdm0 | It doubled the next model. :-P |
| 18:57.13 | rdm0 | It was one of the first Titaniums. |
| 19:02.10 | rdm0 | crazy2k: Are we answering your questions? |
| 19:13.20 | crazy2k | Sorry. Was AFK. |
| 19:13.47 | crazy2k | I have just 256MB of RAM mainly because I stopped using this computer like 3 or 4 years ago. |
| 19:13.56 | crazy2k | And I wanted to sell it, but never did. |
| 19:14.30 | rdm0 | What speed is the processor? |
| 19:14.47 | rdm0 | And how much video ram does it have? |
| 19:15.10 | crazy2k | Then my girlfriend came to live with me and she had a Desktop, and I got used to have a computer on my desktop. And once we broke up, I missed that computer on my desktop (and her, of course :P) |
| 19:15.12 | rdm0 | If it's enough, then indeed, buy some memory and run debian on it, it'll work fine! :-) |
| 19:15.24 | crazy2k | so I took my old iBook G4 and put it on the desktop. |
| 19:15.35 | crazy2k | It's 1.33Ghz |
| 19:15.51 | rdm0 | Very adequate. |
| 19:16.32 | crazy2k | Video is an ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 with 32 MB of RAM. |
| 19:16.39 | rdm0 | Nice! |
| 19:17.20 | crazy2k | I have an x86 laptop too, but that one isn't on 24/7, so it's easier to come here to the desktop and read my email, browse for a while on this computer. |
| 19:17.31 | rdm0 | Really, you could just stick a lot more memory on it, and I would argue that it would be fine so long as you don't want to play the latest computer games. |
| 19:17.58 | crazy2k | I don't know. |
| 19:18.40 | crazy2k | I always felt it was really slow. Now I have a very lightweight desktop environment, and even when not swapping everything takes a while to load. |
| 19:19.00 | crazy2k | The disk is 4600 RPM, IIRC, so that might be a reason. |
| 19:19.30 | rdm0 | Actually, with 1GB of memory, you won't notice the disk so much. |
| 19:19.44 | crazy2k | I can add it up to 1GB. |
| 19:19.53 | rdm0 | otherworld computing would sell you brand new guaranteed 1GB for about $40. |
| 19:20.16 | crazy2k | Maybe I should give that a try before selling this (for almost no money) and buying something different. |
| 19:20.17 | rdm0 | http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iBooks-PowerBooks/G4-iBook/ |
| 19:20.31 | crazy2k | Doesn't apply to me. I live in Argentina :) |
| 19:20.37 | rdm0 | I would argue that would increase the perceived speed by a factor of maybe 4. |
| 19:20.44 | crazy2k | But I guess I can get some cheap RAM here. |
| 19:21.08 | crazy2k | Yeah. Swap is used even when you're nowhere near the memory limit. |
| 19:22.14 | crazy2k | Anyway, just with irssi, iceweasel on gmail, Transmission and System Monitor, the processor is at like 80% |
| 19:23.00 | crazy2k | Oh, redrawing the graph in System Monitor was the problem. |
| 19:23.04 | crazy2k | Now it's at 20% |
| 19:23.44 | crazy2k | Uhm... When I upgraded to wheezy it told me I might have to download driver separately. |
| 19:23.54 | rdm0 | The problem is, independent on how much you're currently using, whenever you want to use anything else, it swaps, and that slows you WAY down. |
| 19:23.55 | crazy2k | Video drivers. |
| 19:25.04 | rdm0 | Um, I don't speak for others on the channel, but for me, 'stable' instead of 'testing' is a lot safer if you're on a non-x86 platform. |
| 19:25.33 | rdm0 | Testing is certainly 'more tested' than 'experimental', but much less so than 'stable'. |
| 19:25.48 | rdm0 | And the odd architectures are often the last to get tested. |
| 19:25.50 | crazy2k | Ok. |
| 19:26.20 | rdm0 | For example, when I first tried 'testing', networking still didn't work reliably yet. |
| 19:26.22 | crazy2k | By the way, people on this channel are mainly owners of old macs? |
| 19:26.32 | rdm0 | But that was before squeeze got 'stable'. |
| 19:27.19 | rdm0 | Well, the only other ppc's out there are some obscure IBM ones, and I think older Sony playstations. So I would think most are people with old Macs, indeed. |
| 19:28.03 | crazy2k | Uhm. There's people selling this computer the same price a new netbook costs. |
| 19:28.52 | rdm0 | Otherworld computing would only charge you about $25 for shipping, they say. But that almost doubles the cost, and doesn't count any local customs duties you may owe. |
| 19:29.50 | crazy2k | Duties are the problem. |
| 19:30.03 | rdm0 | Prices on used computers are not very predictable. |
| 19:30.32 | rdm0 | Kind of whatever you can talk someone into. |
| 19:31.39 | rdm0 | And I would certainly argue that a 1.33GHz iBook >> Any Netbook. |
| 19:31.58 | rdm0 | Both working, of course. :-) |
| 19:32.14 | rdm0 | And with adequate memory and disk space. ^^; |
| 19:32.32 | rdm0 | 256MB is really too small. |
| 19:33.23 | crazy2k | Really? |
| 19:33.35 | crazy2k | 1.33GHz >> any netbook? |
| 19:37.45 | rdm0 | 1.33GHz G4 PPC + Altivec >> any netbook |
| 19:38.06 | rdm0 | Not necessarily any 1.33 x86 architecture. |
| 19:55.24 | rdm0 | Some of the dual-core Atom netbooks are getting closer, though. |
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| 21:10.45 | simonlnu | i'd agree with rdm0 there |
| 21:13.28 | Immanuel | hi |
| 21:13.36 | Immanuel | any suggestions for xorg? |
| 21:14.05 | simonlnu | what's the video hardware (i missed that part)? |
| 21:14.07 | Immanuel | xorg -configure doesn't work on my iBook and when i try to run glxgears X crashaes |
| 21:14.10 | Immanuel | always |
| 21:14.22 | simonlnu | ibook, so ati ? |
| 21:14.26 | Immanuel | ati radeon 7500 mobility if i'm not wrong |
| 21:14.41 | simonlnu | lspci will tell you (pciutils package) |
| 21:14.42 | Immanuel | yep |
| 21:15.14 | simonlnu | should work alright. uses radeon driver. what's the kernel, and xorg version? |
| 21:15.39 | Immanuel | the one included with sqeueeze 6.0.2 |
| 21:16.09 | simonlnu | worked nicer in 2.6.35 and up. i'd skip .36. so linux 2.6.32 and whatever xorg |
| 21:16.17 | Immanuel | when i installed i had no xorg.conf |
| 21:16.34 | simonlnu | that's normal |
| 21:16.36 | Immanuel | Radeon mobility 7500 from lspci |
| 21:17.09 | simonlnu | 7.5 xorg |
| 21:17.26 | simonlnu | (Xorg -version would tell you, fyi) |
| 21:17.46 | Immanuel | 1.7.7 |
| 21:18.10 | Immanuel | kernel 2.6.32 |
| 21:18.45 | simonlnu | i'd try with linux-image-2.6.39-2-powerpc - get it from wheezy |
| 21:18.56 | Immanuel | hmmm |
| 21:19.00 | simonlnu | you may have to rebuild it |
| 21:19.17 | Immanuel | doh |
| 21:19.25 | simonlnu | no, probably not. libc6 is 2.4 and up, so it's ok |
| 21:20.08 | simonlnu | actually you will, because it wants initramfs-tools 0.99 and up |
| 21:20.25 | simonlnu | and squeeze's is 0.98.8 |
| 21:21.43 | Immanuel | i get the same error -> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=61993 |
| 21:21.49 | Immanuel | when i run Xorg -configure |
| 21:24.34 | simonlnu | 'I needed the extra line Option "NoInt10" "true" under Section "Device"' <<< look down further |
| 21:24.44 | Immanuel | yep i did |
| 21:24.54 | simonlnu | i did that on a second gen. imac |
| 21:25.00 | Immanuel | i used an xorg.conf for iBooks |
| 21:25.06 | Immanuel | now i-ll retry |
| 21:25.09 | simonlnu | otherwise xwould crash, and lock up the box |
| 21:25.16 | simonlnu | x would* |
| 21:25.44 | simonlnu | unfortunately xorg has gone the way of assuming a machine is x86 and has a bios.... |
| 21:28.11 | Immanuel | when it crashes, i can't switch to other terminals or kill X |
| 21:28.17 | Immanuel | i have to kill X via ssh |
| 21:28.24 | Immanuel | from another computer |
| 21:31.41 | simonlnu | yeh. had to do the same. check the log to see which driver it tries to load, and lemme know. |
| 21:33.36 | rdm0 | I seem to remember there was a way to start X from single-user mode that would be killable. |
| 21:33.44 | rdm0 | forgets how he did it |
| 21:34.16 | Immanuel | i added the option on xorg.conf |
| 21:34.22 | simonlnu | i usually do 'startx &' when i don't have it started from *dm |
| 21:34.41 | Immanuel | now i'm waiting it updates some packages and then i reboot |
| 21:35.25 | Immanuel | you need /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 21:36.03 | Immanuel | rebootin |
| 21:36.33 | simonlnu | no, just what xorg is loading as a driver |
| 21:36.53 | simonlnu | if you can't tell just pastebinit the file |
| 21:42.47 | Immanuel | ok, i got it |
| 21:43.02 | Immanuel | http://pastebin.com/ScsimFrE |
| 21:43.14 | Immanuel | X just crashed |
| 21:43.27 | Immanuel | and without glxgears or other weird things.. |
| 21:46.33 | simonlnu | ok, what's cat /proc/fb say? |
| 21:47.21 | Immanuel | hmm wait |
| 21:47.22 | Immanuel | reboot |
| 21:48.20 | simonlnu | fyi that xorg log looks ok, nothing unusual |
| 21:50.39 | Immanuel | 0 ATI Radeon 4c57 |
| 21:51.55 | simonlnu | is x started? |
| 21:52.18 | Immanuel | yes |
| 21:52.27 | simonlnu | don't start it. gonna try something. it's running ok? |
| 21:52.35 | Immanuel | ok, i kill it |
| 21:52.40 | simonlnu | no, wait |
| 21:52.48 | simonlnu | it's running ok? |
| 21:53.00 | Immanuel | yes but i didn't login yes |
| 21:53.06 | simonlnu | hmm |
| 21:53.16 | Immanuel | gmd is running |
| 21:53.22 | simonlnu | no funky-looking video artifacts? |
| 21:53.32 | Immanuel | nothing unusual |
| 21:53.59 | simonlnu | weird |
| 21:54.22 | simonlnu | so it's when something uses glx it goes kaboom? |
| 21:54.55 | Immanuel | hmmm some minutes ago it crashed but i was not using glxgeras or other thing |
| 21:54.58 | simonlnu | well for one thing, kms isn't enabled. kms for ati only worked ok in later versions. like 2.6.36 and up |
| 21:55.04 | Immanuel | only a terminal and a browser |
| 21:55.36 | simonlnu | dunno if that radeon is kms capable or not. it's earlier than this radeon 9000 i have here |
| 21:55.56 | simonlnu | but 7500 and up is usually the magic ones |
| 21:56.00 | Immanuel | ah wait..i was still in gmd |
| 21:56.03 | Immanuel | and now crashed |
| 21:56.32 | Immanuel | so..it's only matter of time LOL |
| 21:56.39 | Immanuel | after some minutes X simply dies |
| 21:57.42 | Immanuel | Xorg is using 98% CPU |
| 21:57.50 | simonlnu | ah yes. seen that. fixed it by usig exa and agp mode x2 |
| 21:57.56 | simonlnu | using* |
| 21:58.12 | Immanuel | in xorg.conf? |
| 21:58.52 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 21:58.58 | simonlnu | but it's already that way |
| 21:59.02 | simonlnu | in yours |
| 21:59.55 | Immanuel | nope, not yet |
| 22:00.03 | Immanuel | but now i modify it |
| 22:00.03 | simonlnu | did you happen to try out an ibook-specific xorg.conf? |
| 22:00.14 | simonlnu | your log says as much |
| 22:00.16 | Immanuel | yes |
| 22:00.21 | simonlnu | ok |
| 22:00.24 | Immanuel | i still have it |
| 22:00.31 | Immanuel | but later i cheanged something |
| 22:00.46 | Immanuel | that xorg was without noint option |
| 22:00.51 | Immanuel | now i try it with the noint |
| 22:01.00 | simonlnu | the only thing i'd add to it (if not there already) is the int10 thingy |
| 22:01.13 | simonlnu | yes |
| 22:01.15 | simonlnu | brb |
| 22:02.23 | Immanuel | Identifier"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 7500 M7 (RV200 LW)" |
| 22:02.24 | Immanuel | Driver"ati" |
| 22:02.24 | Immanuel | BusID"PCI:0:16:0" |
| 22:02.24 | Immanuel | Option"UseFBDev""true" |
| 22:02.32 | Immanuel | only this |
| 22:13.07 | Immanuel | well, started |
| 22:13.17 | Immanuel | but when i move a window... |
| 22:13.23 | Immanuel | redraw problems |
| 22:16.22 | simonlnu | hmm ok |
| 22:18.50 | Immanuel | 10 minutes without crash |
| 22:18.58 | Immanuel | it's my personal record :P |
| 22:19.36 | Immanuel | oh ok now it crashed |
| 22:19.51 | Immanuel | cigarette break |
| 22:24.30 | simonlnu | i think there was some stuff about this on the debian and ubuntu forums |
| 22:29.51 | Immanuel | so i'm not the only one with this problem |
| 22:30.31 | Immanuel | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/g4-powerpc-debian-squeeze-881069/ |
| 22:30.50 | Immanuel | well..why not try this? |
| 22:33.20 | Immanuel | 2 minutes to crash |
| 22:36.30 | Immanuel | no crash yet? o.O |
| 22:36.38 | Immanuel | and i did something i should not do |
| 22:37.05 | Immanuel | i enabled DRI (it was commented) |
| 22:38.03 | simonlnu | that conf disables dri |
| 22:38.09 | Immanuel | yep |
| 22:38.19 | Immanuel | the whole section was commented |
| 22:38.31 | Immanuel | i read somehwere that it's not safe on ppc |
| 22:38.37 | simonlnu | there's some other unknown to me config stanza |
| 22:38.54 | simonlnu | maybe for certain devices it isn't |
| 22:38.55 | Immanuel | hmmm wait, i paste my xorg |
| 22:39.19 | simonlnu | Option "CCEusecTimeout" "100000 |
| 22:39.24 | simonlnu | " that thing |
| 22:39.34 | Immanuel | i didn't try that thing yet |
| 22:40.07 | Immanuel | ok, now it crashed |
| 22:40.21 | simonlnu | with dri on? |
| 22:40.27 | Immanuel | yes |
| 22:40.37 | simonlnu | aah! |
| 22:40.40 | Immanuel | but i can reach it via ssh |
| 22:41.18 | simonlnu | so kill x and turn it off. let it run a while |
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| 22:44.45 | Immanuel | http://pastebin.com/6bV5VvXU |
| 22:44.48 | Immanuel | my xorg.conf |
| 22:48.44 | simonlnu | Option "XAANoOffScreenPixmaps" << needs a "true" / "false" |
| 22:49.19 | Immanuel | hmmm i guess it should be true |
| 22:49.30 | simonlnu | those load module things aren't needed |
| 22:49.51 | Immanuel | all modules? |
| 22:50.05 | simonlnu | you can remove that. earlier versions needed them |
| 22:50.51 | Immanuel | ok, modules all commented |
| 22:51.03 | Immanuel | now i restart X |
| 22:51.05 | Immanuel | :) |
| 22:51.08 | simonlnu | x will autoload as needed |
| 22:52.11 | Immanuel | maybe is one of that modules the problem |
| 22:53.17 | simonlnu | well you had load dri there |
| 22:53.45 | Immanuel | you mean in DRI section? |
| 22:54.07 | simonlnu | in the modules section |
| 22:54.15 | Immanuel | usually it's disabled and i disabled it again |
| 22:54.15 | simonlnu | it's moot anyway |
| 22:54.26 | Immanuel | it was only a try |
| 22:54.26 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 22:57.47 | Immanuel | i think this poor iBook is dying |
| 22:58.21 | Immanuel | DVD reader stopped working 2 dayas ago and i hear strange noise from HD |
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| 23:01.41 | simonlnu_ | why do you say that? |
| 23:01.50 | Immanuel | what? |
| 23:02.14 | simonlnu | "i think this poor iBook is dying" |
| 23:02.26 | Immanuel | ah..because i hear strange noise from HD |
| 23:02.39 | Immanuel | at least the hd maybe is dying |
| 23:02.49 | Immanuel | (but it still works, no errors..only noise) |
| 23:03.00 | simonlnu | ah, yeh. might want to install smartontools and find out |
| 23:03.19 | Immanuel | i was looking at dmesg output |
| 23:03.36 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 23:03.39 | Immanuel | [ 2.081424] agpgart-uninorth 0000:00:0b.0: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0x0 |
| 23:03.46 | Immanuel | this when i start |
| 23:04.01 | simonlnu | that's ok |
| 23:04.20 | simonlnu | just means it'll use system ram if needed |
| 23:05.28 | simonlnu | xorg-server (2:1.10.2.902-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 23:05.39 | simonlnu | new in sid |
| 23:07.31 | Immanuel | well i started X at 00:52 |
| 23:07.39 | Immanuel | more than 10minutes without crash |
| 23:07.55 | simonlnu | nice |
| 23:13.15 | Immanuel | 20 minutes..wow |
| 23:13.23 | Immanuel | and still working! |
| 23:13.30 | simonlnu | yay |
| 23:13.53 | simonlnu | congrats... i think you fixed it |
| 23:14.40 | Immanuel | maybe :) |
| 23:14.53 | Immanuel | now i'm starting gimp |
| 23:14.58 | Immanuel | and worked! |
| 23:14.58 | Immanuel | wow |
| 23:15.18 | simonlnu | yay |
| 23:20.39 | Immanuel | well, i think it's fixed :) |
| 23:20.45 | Immanuel | thnk you for the help! |
| 23:46.13 | simonlnu | np. yw. i'm glad it's working |