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| 05:22.06 | Nalle_ | Morning |
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| 17:31.28 | grey_gandalf | hi all |
| 17:31.37 | grey_gandalf | hi pahartik |
| 17:31.50 | pahartik | Hello grey_gandalf |
| 18:01.33 | grey_gandalf | I think I give up |
| 18:02.16 | grey_gandalf | there is most probably an udev incompatibility |
| 18:02.23 | grey_gandalf | now that your kernel essentially boots |
| 18:02.33 | grey_gandalf | but dkpg in the rescue root gives errors |
| 18:02.43 | grey_gandalf | "strxfrm() gets absurd" |
| 18:05.14 | grey_gandalf | it seems to be a perl problem |
| 18:05.30 | grey_gandalf | but it complicates things of course, one last try, I can select "C" in the rescue process instead of UTF8 |
| 18:05.35 | grey_gandalf | then I fear I need a reinstall |
| 18:05.53 | grey_gandalf | pahartik: do you know if I can "install over" a system, so that at least I don't loose my root and other settings? |
| 18:06.11 | grey_gandalf | reinstall from teh netinst cd and then apt-get upgrade |
| 18:08.42 | grey_gandalf | didn't help :( |
| 18:16.28 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: One can install without erasing existing contents of filesystems |
| 18:16.45 | grey_gandalf | just install "over" and packages will downgrade magically somehow? |
| 18:18.36 | grey_gandalf | hmm, perhaps I have one last chance by unsetting LANG |
| 18:18.45 | grey_gandalf | but I need to go to play volleyball, catch you later! |
| 18:18.56 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Packages are installed as is, but files outside packages are not touched |
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| 21:45.03 | grey_gandalf | pahartik: hey! big progress! |
| 21:51.47 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Very good |
| 21:52.41 | grey_gandalf | pahartik: somehow downgrading kernel and libudef+udev got me abooting system |
| 21:52.50 | grey_gandalf | now i want to try to upgrade and make it consistent with current testing stuff |
| 21:53.48 | grey_gandalf | the first thing I get is that I have a package whcih I cannot remove or install |
| 21:54.08 | grey_gandalf | according to apt, I should reinstall linux-image-2.6.35-5-powerpc |
| 21:54.15 | grey_gandalf | where do I get it so I can reinstall it? |
| 21:57.06 | grey_gandalf | perhaps you have it in the cache |
| 21:57.13 | grey_gandalf | or even better I can find it somewhere archived |
| 21:58.26 | grey_gandalf | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6.32-5-powerpc :) |
| 22:00.10 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Service at "http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages" is useful |
| 22:09.55 | grey_gandalf | ok, now I get a libc6 dependency problem |
| 22:11.34 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: While upgrading packages? |
| 22:12.07 | grey_gandalf | yes, let me forget all pending actions and install them step-by-step |
| 22:12.18 | grey_gandalf | I have something silly where two package each wants the other package version lower |
| 22:12.29 | grey_gandalf | often not upgrading everything at all works |
| 22:12.55 | grey_gandalf | perhaps this was cause of my past ruin: i upgraded somehoe partially and the system then did not boot. |
| 22:13.21 | grey_gandalf | although well, in theory dependency should be conservative. You should never be able to install say a new kernel and your udev not upgraded or something like that |
| 22:17.03 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Recently "udev" dropped support for older kernels, I do not remember whether "Linux 2.6.32" was too old for latest "udev" |
| 22:19.15 | grey_gandalf | perhaps... |
| 22:21.08 | grey_gandalf | hmm, upgrade is in progress.... |
| 22:21.14 | grey_gandalf | let's hope the resulting system is bootable :) |
| 22:22.41 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Since almost everything depends on "libc6", upgrading it to "unstable" is always somewhat uncertain but risk one has to take, when keeping system between "unstable", "testing" and "stable" |
| 22:24.17 | grey_gandalf | on x86 I keep everything on unstable since 10 years or so |
| 22:24.24 | grey_gandalf | I think testing is worse, isn't it? |
| 22:24.27 | grey_gandalf | stable is boring |
| 22:24.47 | grey_gandalf | I don't need much stuff, but the one I need is often very unlucky on debian |
| 22:24.55 | grey_gandalf | even on testing it may be 1-2 years old |
| 22:25.02 | grey_gandalf | *unstable sorry |
| 22:25.10 | grey_gandalf | while perhaps certain packages are top-notch |
| 22:25.14 | grey_gandalf | this creates a sstrange mix |
| 22:37.21 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Personally I just select specific versions of packages from "stable", "testing" and "unstable" in "aptitude", based on what seems reasonable or required for workstation or server |
| 22:40.14 | grey_gandalf | the only recent stuff I need on my laptop is the browser and the compiler and a couple of dev libraries |
| 22:40.28 | grey_gandalf | I use it to develop and test my programs on debiab and especially the ppc architecture |
| 22:40.56 | grey_gandalf | there are several programs that i write or maintain in the debian packages :) but not packaged by myself, so the choice is like random |
| 22:46.05 | grey_gandalf | crosses gingers |
| 22:46.08 | grey_gandalf | crosses fingers |
| 22:47.00 | grey_gandalf | no luck!!! new kernel and everything *suck* |
| 22:47.24 | grey_gandalf | let's hope "old" still boots |
| 22:53.45 | grey_gandalf | the old still works |
| 22:53.58 | grey_gandalf | but the new kernel doesn't: there are udev problems |
| 22:54.06 | grey_gandalf | so it changd a little compared to 4 days ago |