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| 12:22.38 | Nalle_ | G'day |
| 14:17.02 | pahartik | Hello Nalle_ Evening |
| 14:52.48 | Nalle_ | Hey paha |
| 14:52.57 | Nalle_ | Sorry, was out on a walkie with the doggies |
| 14:53.01 | Nalle_ | Did 6,4km :) |
| 14:53.36 | Nalle_ | paha, from where can I get the latest debian/ppc CD image? Was thinking of installing it to the G4 MDD. Can it boot directly from the CD and subsequently from the HDD after install without the need of the OS 9 + BootX trickery? |
| 15:27.11 | pahartik | Nalle_: Most recently I used "jigdo-lite" to construct it from Debian archive at "ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/" over IPv6 |
| 15:27.46 | pahartik | Nalle_: Traditional FTP, not "passive" |
| 16:21.08 | Nalle_ | Ah.. was a nice sauna.. |
| 16:21.16 | Nalle_ | Now some beer and continuing on this subject :) |
| 16:21.48 | Nalle_ | paha, so .. there is no CD image that I could leech and burn to disc and boot the Mac from that to install? |
| 16:21.51 | Nalle_ | Bummer :( |
| 16:24.41 | pahartik | Nalle_: "grub-ieee1275" and "yaboot" can be used for booting |
| 16:25.33 | Nalle_ | Right, but there is no CD image? |
| 16:25.40 | Nalle_ | Needs to be compiled from various sources? |
| 16:26.12 | pahartik | Nalle_: "jigdo-lite" is easy and can fetch contents required for official CD or DVD image from nearest Debian archive mirror |
| 16:26.54 | Nalle_ | Okay, whats 'jidgo-lite' ? |
| 16:27.49 | Nalle_ | Hmm.. |
| 16:27.51 | Nalle_ | I see.. |
| 16:28.59 | pahartik | Nalle_: I refer to document at "http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/" |
| 16:29.08 | Nalle_ | Yes I did just read that |
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| 16:29.22 | Nalle_ | Sounds pretty complicated just to get a CD :( |
| 16:31.10 | Nalle_ | Even the main debian site doesn't have CD images |
| 16:31.11 | pahartik | Nalle_: It is fairly easy as long as one knows how to use shell and keyboard |
| 16:31.41 | Nalle_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/powerpc/jigdo-cd/ .. so which one of those .jidgo files do I use to get the full normal install CD? |
| 16:34.12 | pahartik | Nalle_: Point "jigdo-lite" to "debian-6.0.2.1-powerpc-CD-1.jigdo" on that server |
| 16:40.46 | Nalle_ | err.. |
| 16:40.57 | Nalle_ | I think jidgo is far from being nice and easy |
| 16:41.37 | Nalle_ | Now it is doign something, no idea what tho |
| 16:41.42 | Nalle_ | It is not really telling me much |
| 16:41.49 | Nalle_ | and it also asked lots of questions |
| 16:42.05 | Nalle_ | Maybe I am old fashioned, but I much prefer just a simple .iso file .. |
| 16:42.58 | pahartik | Nalle_: If you see output log from "wget", it is downloading packages from archive for image |
| 16:44.26 | Nalle_ | paha, yes I suppose that is what it is doing. |
| 16:45.14 | Nalle_ | I understand even the point, but I still think it is rather daft |
| 16:45.17 | Nalle_ | *shrug* |
| 16:45.30 | pahartik | Nalle_: At the end it verifies image checksum and tells you that construction succeeded |
| 16:48.18 | Nalle_ | Okay, so, can the G4 MDD Mac then boot directly from this CD if I hold down 'c' while powering up or alternatively say 'boot cd' from OF prompt? |
| 16:48.38 | pahartik | Nalle_: Yes |
| 16:49.22 | Nalle_ | Okay good and it also can directly boot into Linux once installed without the need of the OS 9 + BootX combo? |
| 16:49.27 | pahartik | Nalle_: Did you get new desktop workstation? |
| 16:50.06 | Nalle_ | paha, I got this G4 MDD about a year ago for toying with MorphOS |
| 16:50.10 | Nalle_ | paha, paid 60eur for it |
| 16:50.43 | Nalle_ | paha, but seeing how the G3 I have it a bit underpowered for my needs thesedays, I am planning to replace it with this G4 machine and then donate the G3 for free to who ever wants it |
| 16:51.03 | Nalle_ | paha, once MorhpOS supports G5 Macs, I'll get one of those and install MorphOS to it for toying :) |
| 16:51.08 | pahartik | Nalle_: "grub-ieee1275" and "yaboot" can be used for booting from NewWorld PowerMacintosh OpenFirmware |
| 16:51.24 | Nalle_ | paha, I take it that the debian installer installs those into place? |
| 16:51.28 | Nalle_ | paha, which one is preferable? |
| 16:53.21 | pahartik | Nalle_: "yaboot" is installed by default, "grub-ieee1275" needs manual install, separate "ext2" "/boot/" is recommended |
| 16:54.07 | Nalle_ | nods |
| 16:54.41 | Nalle_ | I always partition the drive into atleast /boot, /, /var, /home and swap with /home on a separate drive atleast |
| 16:55.23 | Nalle_ | I'll transfer the 4TB's of external drives to the "new" Mac too |
| 16:55.33 | Nalle_ | Hopefully it handles the USB stuff better tho |
| 16:55.41 | Nalle_ | The old one has some trouble with it sometimes |
| 16:56.04 | pahartik | Nalle_: Do you use LVM, LUKS or RAID? |
| 16:56.05 | Nalle_ | Well, G4 MDD has built-in USB ports so maybe they work better. On the other hand, I am not sure if they are 1.1 or 2.0 |
| 16:56.26 | Nalle_ | paha, no. I am tempted to try software RAID-0 tho |
| 16:56.48 | pahartik | Nalle_: Which "PowerMacintosh MDD" model? |
| 16:57.13 | Nalle_ | paha, I think it is the last MDD one. Single G4/1.25Ghz CPU |
| 16:57.55 | Nalle_ | Got 2Gigs of RAM and two drives on it, I think 80Gig and 160Gig ones |
| 16:58.07 | Nalle_ | Should do okay |
| 16:59.37 | Nalle_ | I do have a VIA chipset USB 2.0 PCI card tho which is what I use on the old G3 one |
| 16:59.43 | Nalle_ | so I can always chuck that in if needed |
| 17:00.04 | Nalle_ | But atleast I can ditch the extra 10/100 NIC since the MDD ones 10/100 NIC built-in |
| 17:01.09 | pahartik | Nalle_: My "PowerMacintosh MDD 2x867" does not have USB 2.0, but I think it is good... I prefer storage devices on IEEE-1394 bus instead anyway |
| 17:01.49 | pahartik | moves on from cafe |
| 17:02.09 | Nalle_ | Cool, it actually has 10/100/1000 NIC |
| 17:02.43 | Nalle_ | Yeah, but since those external USB drives are cheap.. |
| 17:03.00 | Nalle_ | So I guess I'll stick the VIA card into the MDD then before installing |
| 17:03.36 | Nalle_ | Those drives are my /storage where all the stuff is that I need to be available across the LAN to other machines too (music, videos, documents, code projects etc) |
| 17:03.43 | Nalle_ | So needs performance |
| 17:06.38 | Nalle_ | Hmm.. but now I guess I'll go and make dinner while the silly jidgo keeps on downloading |
| 17:06.48 | Nalle_ | Too bad it doesn't have progress bar so that I'd know how much longer still.. |
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| 17:49.57 | Nalle_ | Okay, so the PoS Jidgo failed |
| 17:50.03 | Nalle_ | I guess I won't be installing debian then.. |
| 17:58.20 | pahartik | Nalle_: What happened? |
| 19:26.42 | pahartik | on the way back to cave |
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| 22:39.24 | vince | I am trying to install Debian 6.0.2.1 PPC on an Oldworld 8500/180. I have a Matrox Mystique working on VGA, a USB 2.0 PCI card, an intel e100 PCI card and a 60GB Toshiba USB 2 hard drive. I have managed to use Bootx on the installed MacOS8.1 and my Debian installation gets to installing the base system but stops at "Checking component main on file:///cdrom..." . Any ideas what's stopping the installation from completing? |
| 22:42.59 | vince | I forgot to mention that my Mac has 96MB of RAM, I am using RGB out for Mac display and VGA (Matrox) for Debian. I have also burned two CDs to check if it was a media fault. |
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