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| 00:47.04 | qwd | Do I need to deal with Yaboot even if I'm going to run Debian only? I'm installing Debian on a Powerbook G4 and ignored the message about yaboot and Apple-Bootstrap since the default was not to go back to the partition editor and I assumed the installer would create that parition if it was necessary |
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| 02:31.09 | pahartik | qwd: For booting "NewWorld PowerMacintosh" from harddisk, one needs "Apple_Bootstrap" partition with "yaboot" or "grub-ieee1275" on it |
| 02:32.16 | simonlnu | yup |
| 02:32.38 | pahartik | qwd: 2 MiB is good size for fitting both on it |
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| 09:11.21 | qwd | pahartik: seems like yaboot was succesfully installed at the end of the installation even if I ignored it at first. The system did boot and I was able to log in in the terminal. I don't think a DE was installed but still, if I was able to log in everything is cool right? |
| 09:31.35 | Nalle_ | installed debian/ppc to the G4 MDD yesterday |
| 09:31.56 | Nalle_ | Works okay and also installed all the server software I need. Now just need to copy over config files and data from the old Beige G 3 |
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| 10:44.24 | pahartik | qwd: For example "disktype" tells if there is "Apple_Bootstrap" partition on block storage device |
| 10:46.09 | Nalle_ | It is no longer called that, btw |
| 10:46.12 | Nalle_ | atleast by the installer |
| 10:46.20 | Nalle_ | noticed that last night when isntalling and that caused a bit of confusion |
| 10:48.21 | pahartik | Nalle_: Well, I usually run "parted" to do things way I want in "Debian installer" |
| 10:49.55 | Nalle_ | paha, I did the partitionin manually too |
| 10:50.18 | pahartik | Nalle_: Especially as I want to specify partitions in KiB, MiB, GiB or sector values |
| 10:52.48 | pahartik | Nalle_: Because that "partman" interface only seems to know 10^ kilos and not 2^ kilos |
| 10:53.35 | Nalle_ | I didn't look too deeply into that |
| 10:53.58 | Nalle_ | I only did 1MB yaboot partition, 250MB /boot (which I think is HUGE) and 512MB swap and rest as / |
| 10:54.23 | Nalle_ | On a 80GB drive, then 160GB drive as /home and 40GB drive as /scratch |
| 10:54.38 | Nalle_ | Should be okay :) |
| 10:56.15 | Nalle_ | From where you can see CPU temps? |
| 10:56.22 | pahartik | Nalle_: Luckily, installer has "parted" available easily if one knows to ask for it and switch to shell |
| 10:56.24 | Nalle_ | On the old Beige G3, the /proc/cpuinfo did show those |
| 10:56.26 | Nalle_ | not on the G4 MDD :( |
| 10:57.07 | Nalle_ | yet, during boot, it prints those into dmesg a few timees with chatter about some digital thermometer chip |
| 10:58.39 | pahartik | Nalle_: See "therm_adt746x" kernel module |
| 10:59.22 | pahartik | Nalle_: Oh, wait, I think that was for "iBook G4"... |
| 10:59.42 | pahartik | Nalle_: See "therm_windtunnel" kernel module |
| 11:00.16 | Nalle_ | yes, thats what I see being in use |
| 11:00.21 | Nalle_ | but how do I query it? |
| 11:00.25 | Nalle_ | Any simple command? |
| 11:02.15 | Nalle_ | or suitable cat from under /proc ? |
| 11:06.35 | pahartik | Nalle_: "find /sys/ | grep therm_windtunnel" |
| 11:07.52 | pahartik | Nalle_: Had to start up IPv6 SSH connection to check from my server... |
| 11:13.34 | Nalle_ | Okay, so what I am looking for with taht find ? |
| 11:13.50 | Nalle_ | Just lots of hits under /sys/modules/therm_windtunnel |
| 11:19.24 | pahartik | Nalle_: When I browse "/sys/module/therm_windtunnel/" with "Lynx", I can find "case_temperature" and "cpu_temperature" from "/sys/module/therm_windtunnel/drivers/platform:of:temperature/temperature" |
| 11:21.13 | Nalle_ | hmm |
| 11:21.31 | Nalle_ | No such directory here |
| 11:21.51 | Nalle_ | /sys/module/therm_windtunnel/drivers/i2c:therm_windtunnel |
| 11:21.56 | Nalle_ | I think is the closest |
| 11:27.11 | pahartik | Nalle_: Maybe you have Linux kernel version other than "2.6.38" |
| 11:27.34 | Nalle_ | Yes, I have 2.6.32-5 I think which is what came with the debian installer |
| 11:28.18 | Nalle_ | and no newer one available, apparently. |
| 11:28.25 | Nalle_ | Atleast didn' come via apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:45.30 | pahartik | Nalle_: Feel free to install later Linux kernel and try with it |
| 11:47.23 | Nalle_ | paha, nah, it is a server machine so I I prefer testedly stable system rather than newest possible stuff |
| 11:49.40 | pahartik | Nalle_: Very good |
| 11:57.56 | svu | people, is it only me or iceweasel on ppc is deadly slow? |
| 11:58.00 | svu | 5.0 |
| 11:58.11 | Nalle_ | Whats 'iceweasel' ? |
| 11:58.23 | svu | browser, I guess |
| 11:58.42 | Nalle_ | Oh.. well, I wouldn't know. I run my machine as headless server. No X installed even. |
| 11:59.08 | svu | I am running debian on power g5, and the browser is killing me |
| 12:01.15 | Nalle_ | Odd that considering that G5 is actually pretty powerful beast |
| 12:03.19 | svu | exactly |
| 12:03.38 | svu | well, I do not complain that it cannot run gnome-shell, hw accel was always an issue |
| 12:03.47 | svu | but at least the browser could work fine |
| 12:04.00 | svu | in reality it freezes on every page, while rendering |
| 12:04.11 | svu | if the page is a bit more complex than hello world |
| 12:04.33 | svu | Nalle_, actually it is 2*2.0GHz G5 ! |
| 12:10.42 | pahartik | svu: I would not know, I use "Lynx" on workstations |
| 12:11.16 | svu | pahartik, tough guy :) |
| 12:14.49 | pahartik | svu: Use another browser, if "iceweasel" does not work well? |
| 12:15.25 | svu | pahartik, well, perhaps... at least I need normal gmail support. so lynx is not a good option |
| 12:15.49 | pahartik | svu: IMAP client? |
| 12:16.48 | svu | pahartik, also, google docs, google maps etc etc ;) |
| 12:17.13 | svu | I am as web2.0ish as you can get |
| 12:18.55 | pahartik | svu: Oh, I always disable "javascript" when having to play with some random HTML browser |
| 12:21.50 | Nalle_ | javascript, flash and ad blocks are a must :) |
| 12:26.02 | pahartik | Nalle_: I just want HTML documents |
| 12:32.00 | Nalle_ | Me too |
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| 17:56.03 | svu | don't get me started regarding flash on ppc:) |
| 18:24.27 | qwd | pahartik: Thanks, the Powerbook boots just fine. Not sure I like the scary warning during install though :) |
| 18:24.57 | qwd | svu: how are you running a newer iceweasel on ppc? mozilla.debian.net ? |
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| 19:32.33 | svu | qwd, I am just running whatever apt-get gives me |
| 19:32.45 | qwd | svu: Ah you're using testing? |
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| 19:34.43 | svu | qwd, unstable, I guess. 5.0 is from unstable IIRC |
| 19:36.32 | svu | should I try 6 or 7 from testing/experimental? |
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| 22:02.18 | qwd | I installed mouseemu on the Powerbook G4 with Debian Squeeze and I still don't have right click. Even after uncommenting the lines and rebooting. |
| 22:17.23 | pahartik | qwd: It works for me |
| 22:18.03 | qwd | pahartik: you just hold left ctrl and the mouse button? |
| 22:23.19 | pahartik | qwd: No, I use <F11> and <F12> for second and third mouse button |
| 22:23.44 | qwd | pahartik: well, I uncommented those lines too since the other ones didn't work, and still no luck. |
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