| 01:08.44 | web21 | anyone know about any conflicts between the power management of pbbuttonsd and acpi? |
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| 03:37.33 | wxl | ok i'm coming here for a roundabout reason. i'm trying to put lubuntu on a powerbook g4 with the alternate installer. boots the cd fine, but when it starts the installation, it can't find the cd. from what i can tell there's no mention of the device period (in busybox). do ya'll know of any ppc-specific driver? |
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| 16:30.20 | jason_ | hi |
| 16:30.23 | jason_ | anybody active? |
| 16:30.35 | peterrooney | some are |
| 16:30.44 | jason_ | hey there |
| 16:30.52 | jason_ | have you ever used LTSP with PPC clients on Debian by chance? |
| 16:31.17 | peterrooney | I have not. |
| 16:31.22 | jason_ | :( |
| 16:31.32 | jason_ | trying to ressurrect a huge fleet of G3/G4 mac systems |
| 16:31.33 | jason_ | by using LTSP |
| 16:31.39 | jason_ | problem is PPC support on Linux isn't that great |
| 16:31.50 | peterrooney | Oooh, that's clever use! |
| 16:31.57 | peterrooney | hadn't even thought of that. |
| 16:32.15 | jason_ | it's just a bit headache infatuated |
| 16:32.29 | jason_ | I had trouble installing debian PPC on a PPC system. for some reason yaboot kept failing. |
| 16:32.36 | jason_ | I got frustrated and just put Ubuntu PPC on it without a htich |
| 16:32.43 | peterrooney | jason_: primary issues I've found are with boot and with X (with one minor hiccup in audio that comes to mind) |
| 16:32.43 | jason_ | but I need to generate a chroot for the thin clients to use. |
| 16:33.16 | jason_ | My understanding is this - if I install Linux (any variant) on a PPC system I can install LTSP and generate a chroot. Then... copy that chroot and dump it on my Intel server which will act as a thin client server. |
| 16:33.32 | jason_ | So that way I'm using an intel server but a PPC chroot, which the PPC chroot = the "OS" for the clients. |
| 16:33.37 | jason_ | Clients being PPC based........ bingo bango. |
| 16:33.48 | jason_ | problem is when I tried to generate a chroot in Ubuntu's PPC it gave me the finger. |
| 16:34.16 | peterrooney | jason_: ah, the nub of the question! |
| 16:34.18 | jason_ | Something about the sources list is wacked out. As if it's trying to pull packages from a location that isn't set properly. And of course, I have no idea what it's supposed to be, so I'm stuck. |
| 16:34.37 | jason_ | I was going to use Fedora but Fedora PPC is only on version 12 and they're up to 16 otherwise. |
| 16:35.05 | peterrooney | plus, it's Fedora. can you pastebin your sources, and tell us the error? |
| 16:35.19 | jason_ | actually no, because that PPC box is in another building. |
| 16:35.29 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.39 | jason_ | I just wnated to beat the idea around and see if anybody could be like "oh yeah just do this and this" |
| 16:35.43 | jason_ | then try it tomorrow and have a winner |
| 16:36.12 | simonlnu | i have yes |
| 16:36.18 | jason_ | what... |
| 16:36.21 | jason_ | PPC LTSP clients? |
| 16:36.45 | simonlnu | yes |
| 16:36.50 | jason_ | get out! |
| 16:36.54 | jason_ | can you help me? :( |
| 16:38.51 | simonlnu | i did a long time ago... but it depends on openfirmware version. the more modern ones do better. g3/g4 "native" could do it. you'd use bootp/tftp or dhcp/tftp |
| 16:39.08 | jason_ | what distro did you use? |
| 16:40.17 | simonlnu | debian |
| 16:40.36 | jason_ | was the server a PPC server? |
| 16:40.43 | simonlnu | back in sarge/woody days iirc |
| 16:41.12 | simonlnu | server to me is simply purpose, not so much hardware (though some are speficially designed to be servers yes) |
| 16:41.26 | simonlnu | specifically* |
| 16:41.43 | jason_ | not sure I follow. I'm curious if your server was a different architecture than the powerpc clients. |
| 16:41.45 | jason_ | intel/amd, etc? |
| 16:42.33 | simonlnu | no, that doesn't matter. if the tftp area is setup with another arch than the system where it's housed. though it complicates updates ;). |
| 16:42.50 | simonlnu | the server was an x86 |
| 16:43.11 | jason_ | I'm not sure I understand. The LTSP developers told me I just need to make sure that if I'm using an Intel based OS for the server that I need to have a PPC oriented chroot for the clients since they are PowerPC and not Intel. |
| 16:43.24 | simonlnu | i also tried the other ways, ppc server x86 client, that's ok too |
| 16:43.45 | simonlnu | yeh, i said that, not specifically though |
| 16:43.48 | jason_ | While they have not done any PPC installs (the few devs I spoke to) they indicated that I should, in theory, be able to install Ubuntu PPC to a PowerPC system, generate a chroot, and copy that to the Intel server I'd be using. |
| 16:44.09 | jason_ | The problem is how on earth do I do that? Ubuntu errors out when I try to generate a chroot and Debian won't even install because yaboot continuously fails. |
| 16:44.18 | simonlnu | yes, debootstrap the ppc stuff on the x86, e.g. |
| 16:44.35 | jason_ | what does that mean? |
| 16:44.57 | simonlnu | deboostrap is a tool to set up another system on an already running system |
| 16:45.17 | jason_ | Do you think I could use Ubuntu for this? |
| 16:45.22 | jason_ | Because I already have Ubuntu set up. |
| 16:45.32 | simonlnu | /join #debian then do /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 16:45.34 | jason_ | I don't really care what OS I use, I just want LTSP to fly with PPC clients. |
| 16:47.02 | jason_ | hmm |
| 16:49.19 | jason_ | simonlnu: did you use some sort of guide? |
| 16:49.28 | jason_ | I just can't find enough documentation about this to feel like I know what I'm doing |
| 16:49.55 | simonlnu | combined what i know with their docs |
| 16:50.08 | simonlnu | their docs for ppc are very sparse (still i bet) |
| 16:50.13 | jason_ | oh yes |
| 16:50.20 | jason_ | PPC and Linux is quite a nasty marriage. |
| 16:50.25 | jason_ | But it's one I want to make work. :( |
| 16:51.06 | simonlnu | nah, it's not that hard. just yaboot is giving you trouble. recent installers are mishandling it, thus you're seeing problems. |
| 16:51.35 | jason_ | so debootstrap does what, remotely installs debian without the use of a CD? |
| 16:51.38 | simonlnu | you might want to possibly use an earlier debian to install, then upgrade to current stable |
| 16:51.43 | jason_ | hm |
| 16:51.47 | jason_ | that's a thought too I suppose |
| 16:51.51 | jason_ | I do think I used Debian Testing... |
| 16:51.55 | simonlnu | no, not remotely, though you can use it remotely via ssh |
| 16:52.07 | simonlnu | yeh, stay away from testing installer cds... |
| 16:52.24 | simonlnu | it's for... testing |
| 16:53.01 | jason_ | so once you have installed debian, then what did you do? |
| 16:53.06 | jason_ | were you able to generate a chroot like normal? |
| 16:53.11 | jason_ | or did you do something special? |
| 16:54.28 | walkingfish | hi.. I just installed debian ppc on a ydl powerstation.. all worked fine until the end when it says it failed to copy yaboot to the hard disk.. but after checking it had done so.. All I had to do was copy some files to the boot/etc file. |
| 16:54.51 | jason_ | are you using debian testing? |
| 16:54.56 | jason_ | because I just got that yesterday with debian testing :/ |
| 16:55.07 | simonlnu | was a little fiddly to handle certain things because of the architectural difference, but i did manage to boot the thing |
| 16:55.20 | jason_ | were they relatively usable? |
| 16:55.21 | walkingfish | no.. I used the latest which was downloaded maybe five days ago |
| 16:55.24 | jason_ | could do web browsing and word processing? |
| 16:55.33 | jason_ | walkingfish: from the june release? |
| 16:55.37 | walkingfish | yes. but my screen colors are not perfect |
| 16:55.41 | jason_ | debian stable 6.0.2.1? |
| 16:55.44 | simonlnu | i didn't get that far, was just to see it would boot |
| 16:55.51 | walkingfish | yes.. I think it was the June release. |
| 16:55.57 | jason_ | why did you not complete it simonlnu |
| 16:56.18 | jason_ | walkingfish: well I might be in bad luck then, as I'm downloading debian 6 as we speak for PPC use... oh no :( |
| 16:56.59 | simonlnu | see what i just said |
| 16:57.07 | walkingfish | what is simonlnu? I think it should work but you may have to copy some files to the etc directory. |
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| 16:57.44 | simonlnu | i was replying to jason_ |
| 16:58.05 | jason_ | simonlnu: in regard to what? |
| 16:58.08 | walkingfish | sorry.. |
| 16:58.16 | simonlnu | jason_> why did you not complete it simonlnu |
| 16:58.27 | simonlnu | simonlnu> i didn't get that far, was just to see it would boot |
| 16:58.31 | jason_ | oh |
| 16:58.34 | jason_ | I see |
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| 21:54.39 | web21 | just tried to compile acpi-support from sources. It finished with two warnings, but produced no acpi-fakekey package, which is the one I wanted. Could the warnings have done this? "[acpi-support_0.137-5.dsc] |
| 21:56.21 | web21 | oops warning "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Depends field of package acpi-support: unknown substitution variable ${arch:Depends}" 2nd warning the same, except s/Depends/Suggests/ |
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