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| 10:16.08 | ex-parrot | hi all... can someone explain to me the difference between using mouseemu and the in-kernel mouse emulation? |
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| 21:10.24 | AR-Brad2 | Is this the IRC for Debian Linux for PPC computers? |
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| 21:11.10 | AR-Brad2 | 'Cause I need some help |
| 21:11.24 | AR-Brad2 | Debian isn't loading a graphical desktop environment |
| 21:11.35 | AR-Brad2 | And it says that there are no drivers installed |
| 21:12.01 | AR-Brad2 | in xorg it says that there are no display drivers installed, I mean |
| 21:12.08 | AR-Brad2 | Can anyone help? |
| 21:16.21 | AR-Brad2 | Is anyone here? |
| 21:17.10 | pahartik | Hello AR-Brad2 |
| 21:17.18 | AR-Brad2 | Hello pahartik |
| 21:18.48 | AR-Brad | I'm going to be using this computer, pahartik to talk.. I need to try something in Open Flash. |
| 21:19.09 | AR-Brad | (AR-Brad2 is the Mac. It's connected through a shell and irssi |
| 21:19.11 | AR-Brad | ) |
| 21:20.27 | pahartik | AR-Brad: On "Apple iMac G4" I have to use "xserver-xorg-video-nv" |
| 21:20.44 | AR-Brad | I'm using an iBook G3 |
| 21:21.28 | AR-Brad | Bit older. |
| 21:22.20 | AR-Brad | And I'm using an ATI Rage Video card. I've already figured out the driver is named r128, but I cannot get it to work. |
| 21:27.29 | pahartik | AR-Brad: Maybe PCI slot of device needs to be specified |
| 21:27.43 | AR-Brad | parhartik: How do I do that? |
| 21:27.57 | AR-Brad | I'm using a laptop |
| 21:29.49 | AR-Brad | Oops. I need to switch computers. Someone wants this one. I'll rejoin in a moment. |
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| 21:43.38 | AR-Brad | Pahartik: I'm back, sorry I took so long |
| 21:44.49 | Neelfyn | AR-Brad: What iBook do you have? Maybe I can give you my xorg.conf |
| 21:45.12 | Neelfyn | (I spend like, 2 weeks, finding the perfect one for my iBook :/) |
| 21:45.29 | AR-Brad | Neelfyn: iBook G3 Clamshell. |
| 21:45.45 | AR-Brad | It's not connected to the internet, atm, though |
| 21:45.50 | Neelfyn | Ah, mine is a dual USB. |
| 21:46.05 | AR-Brad | Someone else needed a turn on the old computer I was using |
| 21:46.11 | AR-Brad | It is? |
| 21:46.20 | AR-Brad | Shoot.. |
| 21:46.31 | AR-Brad | Well, how do I set my PCI thing? |
| 21:47.01 | Neelfyn | You could try these ones though: http://mac.linux.be/content/xorgconf-ibook-clamshell-g3366-firewire |
| 21:48.32 | AR-Brad | Ok, I'll write down the link |
| 21:49.42 | AR-Brad | Thank you. I'll try it whenever I can use the Ethernet router again |
| 21:51.15 | AR-Brad | And if I can't get Debian to work, is there a way I can uninstall it to reinstall my official Mac OS? |
| 21:51.30 | pahartik | Neelfyn: Very good |
| 21:54.11 | Neelfyn | AR-Brad: Yeah, as long as you have a Mac OS install CD |
| 21:55.14 | AR-Brad | I have Mac OSX Tiger and MacOS 9.2.1, but when I tried to install it with Debian still on there, it wouldn't boot or anything |
| 21:56.18 | Neelfyn | What didn't boot, Debian or Mac OS? |
| 21:56.26 | AR-Brad | MacOS |
| 21:56.36 | AR-Brad | It didn't even appear in the boot menu |
| 21:57.44 | Neelfyn | Yeah because you have to tell yaboot where Mac OS is |
| 21:58.16 | AR-Brad | That's the thing: MacOS didn't install at all |
| 21:58.30 | AR-Brad | I tried checking partitions and all that stuff |
| 21:58.44 | Neelfyn | Have you tried completely wiping the harddisk? |
| 21:58.53 | AR-Brad | And the CD wasn;t recognized when I held "OPTION" at boot. |
| 21:59.00 | AR-Brad | How do I wipe it? |
| 21:59.04 | Neelfyn | Wait |
| 21:59.20 | Neelfyn | You couldn't boot on the Mac OS CD at all? |
| 21:59.25 | AR-Brad | Nope |
| 21:59.34 | AR-Brad | Debian CD worked fine |
| 21:59.34 | Neelfyn | What if you press C at startup? |
| 21:59.44 | Neelfyn | (with the CD inside) |
| 21:59.45 | AR-Brad | Isn't that a MacOS only thing? |
| 21:59.54 | Neelfyn | OpenFirmware |
| 22:00.23 | AR-Brad | You know, it's nice to talk to people who actually know crap about macs, lol |
| 22:00.31 | pahartik | AR-Brad: Holding down "<Option>" at boot shows bootable CD or DVD as well |
| 22:00.55 | AR-Brad | ##Linux and #debian have people who know barely anything about Macs |
| 22:01.35 | Neelfyn | For some reason alt doesn't always show everything (at least here) |
| 22:02.42 | AR-Brad | CD didn't work when I held C at start-up |
| 22:03.05 | Neelfyn | Hmm, do you have an OpenFirmware password or something? |
| 22:03.18 | AR-Brad | Wait... Would it not work if I am using a burnt CD? |
| 22:03.55 | Neelfyn | Uh... did you already use it successfully on another machine? |
| 22:04.03 | AR-Brad | No. |
| 22:04.16 | Neelfyn | Might be the problem, then |
| 22:04.22 | AR-Brad | I just burnt it. I got the file from, well, prolly best not mentioned here |
| 22:05.07 | Neelfyn | Anyway, I'm not sure it's a good idea to install Tiger on a clamshell |
| 22:05.28 | Neelfyn | It's already damn slow on my 600 MHz iBook |
| 22:05.33 | AR-Brad | Yep. I got desperate |
| 22:05.49 | AR-Brad | lol, this thing is only 334mhz |
| 22:06.01 | Neelfyn | You may want to try Panther |
| 22:06.11 | AR-Brad | And buying the real disc? |
| 22:06.23 | AR-Brad | (or using different burning software) |
| 22:06.26 | Neelfyn | Well, that's up to you x) |
| 22:06.44 | AR-Brad | Heh heh.. |
| 22:06.56 | AR-Brad | I think I'll try with Debian |
| 22:07.09 | AR-Brad | If I can't get that to work, I'll go for Gentoo |
| 22:07.36 | Neelfyn | There's Yellow Dog too |
| 22:07.47 | AR-Brad | Hmm... |
| 22:07.58 | AR-Brad | Did I mention I hate PPCs? I do. |
| 22:08.03 | AR-Brad | lol |
| 22:08.03 | Neelfyn | It's not really up to date, but who wants up to date software on a 334 MHz :p |
| 22:08.12 | Neelfyn | loves PPC |
| 22:08.18 | AR-Brad | Yea, you're right |
| 22:08.24 | AR-Brad | Eh, PPC is ok |
| 22:08.35 | AR-Brad | Scratch that: I hate Apple |
| 22:08.48 | Neelfyn | Hah, that makes more sense :D |
| 22:08.53 | AR-Brad | Hand me a PC anyday and I can freakin' reprogram the thing |
| 22:09.06 | AR-Brad | Hand me a Mac and I'm clueless |
| 22:09.58 | AR-Brad | Can I instal drivers from a CD in a shell? |
| 22:10.05 | AR-Brad | install* |
| 22:10.22 | Neelfyn | By the way, do you have FireWire or not, on the iBook? |
| 22:10.39 | Neelfyn | Yeah, but what drivers do you want to install? |
| 22:10.39 | AR-Brad | 1 FW and 1 USB |
| 22:10.54 | AR-Brad | My USB Wi-FI card's drivers |
| 22:11.33 | Neelfyn | Yeah, I don't see why not |
| 22:12.03 | AR-Brad | Cool, I may not need the ethernet then :3 |
| 22:12.56 | Neelfyn | Probably not, heheh |
| 22:13.09 | AR-Brad | What would the command be? |
| 22:13.23 | AR-Brad | apt-get install cd doesn't work surprisingly |
| 22:13.32 | AR-Brad | (not) |
| 22:13.33 | Neelfyn | But if you have an ethernet cable, you could share the connection from this computer |
| 22:13.39 | Neelfyn | What are you trying to install? |
| 22:13.56 | AR-Brad | cd files |
| 22:14.17 | AR-Brad | And this desktop PC (YEAH PC FTW) is connected through Wi-Fi |
| 22:14.46 | AR-Brad | lol, my PC is older then my Mac, and it works better |
| 22:14.56 | Neelfyn | What do you mean? cd doesn't work? |
| 22:15.03 | AR-Brad | nope |
| 22:16.53 | Neelfyn | o.O |
| 22:18.09 | Neelfyn | Are you in bash? |
| 22:18.11 | AR-Brad | HP 6350 from 1998 |
| 22:18.16 | AR-Brad | Yes |
| 22:19.58 | Neelfyn | Wait, what? |
| 22:20.08 | Neelfyn | There's something I'm missing... |
| 22:20.25 | AR-Brad | Hm? |
| 22:20.50 | Neelfyn | What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:21.11 | AR-Brad | Install driver from a CD for my Wireless USB card |
| 22:21.21 | Neelfyn | Right? |
| 22:21.29 | AR-Brad | Command CD or C in BASH doesn't work |
| 22:21.46 | Neelfyn | What does it say? |
| 22:22.01 | AR-Brad | I just turned it off, too |
| 22:22.04 | AR-Brad | lol |
| 22:22.41 | AR-Brad | Know what? I'll just wait until an OS works before I worry about my wi-fi card |
| 22:24.25 | pahartik | AR-Brad: Am I correct if I assume that these are your first Unix experiments? |
| 22:26.52 | AR-Brad | phartik: Yep. Windows and MacOS up until now |
| 22:27.06 | AR-Brad | i'm trying to get seasoned in every OS type |
| 22:31.23 | pahartik | AR-Brad: Read through output of "dmesg" to see what it says about 802.11 network adapter you have |
| 22:32.14 | Neelfyn | Ah, I assumed you knew what you were doing x) |
| 22:32.33 | AR-Brad | Neelflyn, nowhere near that |
| 22:33.32 | pahartik | AR-Brad: Other than adapter possibly requiring firmware image uploaded by driver in kernel, I do not know anything about configuring 802.11 network |
| 22:34.11 | AR-Brad | phartik: Again, I'll just wait until Debian or mAC os WORKS |
| 22:34.22 | AR-Brad | Oops, caps |
| 22:34.25 | AR-Brad | sorry |
| 22:34.36 | Neelfyn | If it's an USB one, lsusb can give you some info about it too. |
| 22:35.00 | pahartik | AR-Brad: Very good... |
| 22:35.29 | AR-Brad | Hmm |
| 22:43.53 | AR-Brad | Well, thank you for your time and help guys |
| 22:44.28 | AR-Brad | I'll report back if the xorg works |
| 22:45.02 | Neelfyn | 'kay, that would be great :) |
| 22:45.35 | AR-Brad | Bye :D |
| 22:45.43 | Neelfyn | Goodnight |
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| 23:55.29 | AR-Brad | Baaack |
| 23:55.36 | AR-Brad | Still no luck. |
| 23:56.30 | AR-Brad | Wait a minute, how do I configure X? |