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| 00:52.59 | dclarke | question : has anyone managed to install Debian on the Power Mac G5 with dual dual-core PPC processors ? |
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| 00:59.25 | dclarke | hello |
| 00:59.30 | pahartik | dclarke: Only 32-bit PowerPC systems here, but it should not be major problem... |
| 00:59.47 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.59 | dclarke | well ... I'll just re-burn debian-6.0.3-powerpc-DVD-1.iso.torrent and then try again .. maybe the expert mode install will be better |
| 01:02.59 | pahartik | dclarke: Maybe you should not install "gdm" or similar, so that you can edit X11 server configuration file and check output from logfile |
| 01:03.20 | dclarke | yeah .. I was thinking actually of just a text mode install, no X11 at all |
| 01:03.31 | dclarke | and then install X11 remotely and futz with the conffig later |
| 01:04.17 | dclarke | seems like a reasonable .. idea at least |
| 01:04.40 | dclarke | I'll keep you posted on what happens .. if anything |
| 01:05.12 | pahartik | dclarke: Yes... As long as you know how to prevent X11 server from getting started without interaction |
| 01:06.34 | dclarke | I ported a recent X11 to Solaris 8 sparc .. last year. I think Debian on PPC should be doable .. I hope |
| 01:07.42 | pahartik | dclarke: Very good |
| 01:08.09 | dclarke | funny .. the x.org site is slow today .. |
| 01:08.23 | dclarke | anyways .. I'm going to do a full re-format and re-install and hope for the best |
| 01:09.50 | dclarke | while I work on this .. here is a joke : If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same principles -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that. |
| 01:09.50 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.03 | simonlnu | oldie but goodie :) |
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| 06:49.04 | Nalle_ | Morning |
| 06:53.01 | simonlnu | hello |
| 06:56.03 | Nalle_ | Hello simon |
| 06:57.13 | Nalle_ | Happy Friday the 13th ;) |
| 06:57.15 | Nalle_ | Lulz |
| 07:06.09 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 07:06.28 | simonlnu | usually a good day for me =). but, i'm a backwards kinda guy ;) |
| 07:08.33 | Nalle_ | :) |
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| 11:22.24 | pahartik | Hello Nalle_, simonlnu |
| 11:23.25 | Nalle_ | HEya paha |
| 11:35.29 | simonlnu | dude, like hi man, totally |
| 11:35.35 | simonlnu | *grin* |
| 11:35.43 | simonlnu | being silly |
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| 16:58.18 | AR-Brad | Will an Apple Airport card work on PPC Debian? |
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| 20:09.50 | simonlnu | probably very much so |
| 20:16.35 | AR-Brad | In response to my question or someone else? |
| 20:17.14 | simonlnu | yours |
| 20:17.21 | AR-Brad | Ah, ok |
| 20:17.34 | AR-Brad | I just ordered one last night for my iBook. |
| 20:18.16 | simonlnu | i'm not sure if the extreme ones are supported or not (my info is old, and they may be now) |
| 20:18.34 | AR-Brad | I just ordered the first gen. |
| 20:18.46 | AR-Brad | A whole 1/mbs |
| 20:18.50 | AR-Brad | 11/mbs* |
| 20:20.46 | simonlnu | heh |
| 20:21.02 | simonlnu | should be fine, those just work |
| 20:21.31 | AR-Brad | No need for any special compiling of a driver? I can just plug it in and use it? |
| 20:22.11 | simonlnu | the debian ppc kernels have them yes |
| 20:22.28 | AR-Brad | Haleluva. |
| 20:22.39 | AR-Brad | (Spelling?) |
| 20:22.43 | simonlnu | oh, you *might* need one or both of the firmware packages |
| 20:23.17 | AR-Brad | That's easier then going on line and digging around for the right driver, then following complicated instructions to get a USB Wi-Fi card to work.. |
| 20:23.17 | simonlnu | firmware-linux-{free,nonfree}. i'm not sure if they need firmware or not. |
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| 21:35.18 | AR-Brad | Comcast.... I dun like you. |
| 21:38.38 | simonlnu | *smack comcast* |
| 21:38.48 | AR-Brad | I wish I could. |
| 21:39.35 | AR-Brad | I think it's ironic that Steve Jobs died the same year I got my Mac. |
| 22:00.47 | AR-Brad | I have a good question! |
| 22:00.57 | AR-Brad | Why are Macs so dang expensive?! |
| 22:01.07 | simonlnu | ask them |
| 22:01.31 | AR-Brad | Mine would sound like an old man. |
| 22:01.32 | simonlnu | part of it is marketing. |
| 22:01.43 | simonlnu | part of it is scarcity |
| 22:02.02 | simonlnu | compared to x86 arch anyway |
| 22:02.03 | AR-Brad | Hmm.. |
| 22:02.13 | simonlnu | part of it is overpricing |
| 22:02.27 | AR-Brad | Part of it is hype? |
| 22:02.55 | simonlnu | nowadays, macs are x86 machines, with fancy cases, marketing and ads, and a different os. |
| 22:02.56 | AR-Brad | I mean, jeez, $599 can get you a Mac with the specs of an average $400.00 computer. |
| 22:03.46 | simonlnu | those are the main reasons. when they used ppc, they at least had somewhat of a (lame) excuse that open firmware licencing was expensive |
| 22:04.10 | AR-Brad | Ah. |
| 22:04.11 | simonlnu | they do spend a lot in r&d, probably more than a lot of x86 shops |
| 22:04.24 | AR-Brad | Mhm. |
| 22:04.28 | AR-Brad | Well.. |
| 22:04.30 | simonlnu | but mostly for stuff like the ipads, and crap. |
| 22:04.49 | AR-Brad | Does Apple even make Mac desktops anymore? |
| 22:04.49 | simonlnu | which btw, are built in chinese labour prisons |
| 22:05.02 | simonlnu | yeh, but not biggest seller, i heard |
| 22:05.21 | AR-Brad | I saw an old one at a yard sale for free. |
| 22:05.32 | simonlnu | i never liked apple per se, but i do like the ppc arch |
| 22:05.35 | AR-Brad | I was this close to buying it, but I figured it had to be free for a reason.. |
| 22:05.41 | AR-Brad | Oh, I see. |
| 22:05.47 | simonlnu | you ask why so cheap? :) |
| 22:06.08 | AR-Brad | Meh, I wasn't into computing at the time. |
| 22:06.32 | simonlnu | the os is probably the biggest selling point |
| 22:06.32 | AR-Brad | Now I'm buying any computer I can, fixing it up, then selling it. I make a decent profit.. |
| 22:06.46 | AR-Brad | Yeah, mac OS X looks purty |
| 22:07.08 | simonlnu | netbsd underpinnings, at least at first, plus some fancy graphics |
| 22:07.34 | AR-Brad | nods |
| 22:07.37 | simonlnu | even the kernel was a port of the nbsd one |
| 22:07.48 | AR-Brad | What's net BSD? |
| 22:07.56 | simonlnu | another unix |
| 22:07.59 | simonlnu | netbsd.org |
| 22:08.19 | simonlnu | runs almost as many arches as debian does, and some better for certain things |
| 22:08.33 | AR-Brad | Is it open source? |
| 22:08.43 | simonlnu | they support oldworld macs better for one. yep. bsd license :P |
| 22:10.09 | simonlnu | there's freebsd, openbsd, and netbsd. and there's smaller derivatives of the first one |
| 22:10.40 | simonlnu | linux has roots in minix, and bsd has roots in 4.4 bsd - so does linux |
| 22:11.00 | simonlnu | afk, bbialw |
| 22:11.56 | AR-Brad | k |
| 22:50.18 | simonlnu | re |
| 22:53.48 | AR-Brad | Welcome back. |
| 23:00.04 | simonlnu | ty |
| 23:01.54 | AR-Brad | yw |
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