| 00:45.24 | Disintegrated | *.net *.split? |
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| 01:13.48 | simonlnu | net split, when a server disconnects from the rest of the network |
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| 01:24.13 | GTRsdk | Will the CDs work on a G5 Mac? |
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| 03:02.15 | simonlnu | yes |
| 03:02.23 | simonlnu | do it 32bit |
| 03:02.31 | simonlnu | you can install 64b kernel |
| 03:04.38 | AR-Brad | Should you highlight him so he gets your message> |
| 03:04.39 | AR-Brad | ?* |
| 03:04.48 | GTRsdk | I don't think that's necessary |
| 03:05.00 | AR-Brad | k. |
| 03:05.10 | simonlnu | not exactly busy in here right now ;) |
| 03:05.28 | GTRsdk | Just wondering, what advantages would a 64 bit kernel have? |
| 03:05.58 | simonlnu | only one i can think of is accessing your ram over 4gb, otherwise don't bother |
| 03:06.19 | simonlnu | what's the purpose anyway? server, desktop? |
| 03:06.55 | GTRsdk | well I hope to have a supybot online 24/7 and maybe run some video encoding apps, and this is a desktop (plan to use it as a desktop too) |
| 03:07.17 | GTRsdk | I have 6 GB RAM installed |
| 03:07.32 | simonlnu | ok, so depending on ram, i'd use a 32 or 64b kernel. the 64b then it is |
| 03:07.40 | simonlnu | heh |
| 03:08.01 | simonlnu | the 32b kernels on x86 have pae, but that's a different beast |
| 03:18.20 | GTRsdk | are you talking about the x86 kernels or pae on powerpc32? |
| 03:19.39 | simonlnu | not relevant, so don't bother ;) |
| 03:19.52 | GTRsdk | okay |
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| 17:14.29 | MDBenson | okay I'm pretty sure you've heard this before but here goes... |
| 17:14.38 | MDBenson | I have a 9111-285 IBM |
| 17:15.16 | MDBenson | Installing Debian PPC 6.0.3 it gets to installing yaboot (which it shouldn't need on a CHRP machine) and breaks complaining it can't find an Apple Boot Partition |
| 17:15.34 | MDBenson | I have a PReP partition |
| 17:16.11 | MDBenson | I tried skipping that step and installing the Kernel to the PReP partition and it won't do that either |
| 17:17.31 | silvertip257 | MDBenson: when I set my partitions manually, I use mac-fdisk. Choose i to initialize, b to create a boot partition. From there use c to create partition(s). |
| 17:17.55 | MDBenson | are you using a MAc thoough? |
| 17:17.57 | MDBenson | *Mac |
| 17:18.06 | silvertip257 | yes, hence mac-fdisk |
| 17:18.16 | MDBenson | hmmm |
| 17:18.51 | MDBenson | t'is not the same as IBM hardware, Apple used a HFS boot partition |
| 17:19.19 | MDBenson | but I get your idea, maybe there's a fdisk for the CHRP setup that will do the same |
| 17:19.56 | silvertip257 | There's a write-up on mac-fdisk on alaska.net ... fdisk is an alias for mac-fdisk on PPC stuff as far as I can tell. My PPC box is off right now. |
| 17:20.05 | MDBenson | but I used the guided partitioning in the installer and it setup the disk with the PReP partition at the beginning which is where the OpenFirmware looks for the kernel |
| 17:20.42 | silvertip257 | ah - I didn't use guided. |
| 17:20.52 | silvertip257 | this may or may not help you > http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt |
| 17:21.17 | MDBenson | thin g is the right patitions are there, that's not the issue, the issue is it won't copy the kernel image to the partition |
| 17:21.27 | MDBenson | if it'd do that I'd be golden |
| 17:22.32 | MDBenson | I don't know if there's something I can do at the terminal during the install that will let me copy it by hand |
| 17:23.12 | MDBenson | Appreciate the help silvertip257 but I think this is a question for someone who's on IBM hardware, Apple's boot system is very different |
| 17:23.31 | silvertip257 | ahh so you're on IBM PPC hw. |
| 17:23.45 | silvertip257 | yes I see it now (missed reading that) |
| 17:23.57 | AR-Brad | IBM? Sounds old. |
| 17:24.09 | silvertip257 | <MDBenson> I have a 9111-285 IBM |
| 17:26.48 | AR-Brad | That's right, they used to put PPCs in some IBMs. |
| 17:27.21 | AR-Brad | Weren't PPCs *made* by IBM? |
| 17:35.04 | silvertip257 | IBM, Motorola, Apple ... I believe |
| 17:35.07 | silvertip257 | yes ^ |
| 17:35.25 | silvertip257 | AIM alliance - Apple, IBM, Motorola |
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| 18:44.57 | MDBenson | AR-Brad: It's a 2009 IBM IntellisStation 9111-285 owrkstaion with 2 POWER5+ CPUs |
| 18:45.12 | MDBenson | well it's actually dual-core technically but they are;nty on one die |
| 18:46.15 | AR-Brad | wait, they still made PPCs in 2009? |
| 18:46.37 | MDBenson | AR-Brad: you really don't know much about IBM do you :) |
| 18:46.48 | MDBenson | POWER != PowerPC |
| 18:47.03 | AR-Brad | Nope, I dunno much about them, haha. |
| 18:47.24 | MDBenson | PowerPC is a more desktop/consumer oriented architecture that is a 'cut down' version of POWER |
| 18:47.46 | AR-Brad | ooh. |
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| 18:48.38 | MDBenson | and FWIW IBM still sell POWER based hardware, it's their primary Unix platform |
| 18:49.06 | MDBenson | these days it is almost all servers, and they are on POWER6 and POWER7 chips |
| 18:49.27 | MDBenson | PowerPC 970 (aka G5) was the last IBM design |
| 18:49.31 | MDBenson | AFAIK |
| 18:49.37 | MDBenson | and it spun off from POWER4 |
| 18:50.20 | MDBenson | there are a lot of other, newer PowerPC chips but they are produced by non-IBM sources like PA Semi |
| 18:50.29 | AR-Brad | Interesting. |
| 18:51.09 | MDBenson | IBM PowerPC powers the XBox 360 (3x 970) and the Playstation 3 (as part of the Cell Broadband Engine) |
| 18:51.30 | AR-Brad | I thought I read somewhere about it being used to power the Wii aswell.. |
| 18:55.12 | MDBenson | Yup 'Broadway' is a PowerPC IIRC |
| 18:55.26 | MDBenson | also powered the GameCube |
| 18:56.59 | MDBenson | Out of the AIM alliance Apple ditched PPC, Motorola sold their division off as Freescale Semiconductor and IBM pretty-much stopped using them apart from a few projects |
| 18:57.25 | MDBenson | I think IBM have some crazy massively-multi-cpu design that uses PowerPC but I'm not sure what that's all about |
| 18:58.00 | MDBenson | steps down off soap box |
| 18:58.05 | MDBenson | Lesson over :) |
| 19:00.00 | MDBenson | What I have and am trying to install Debian on is http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixel_mason/sets/72157628863218653/ |
| 19:00.06 | MDBenson | that powerhouse :) |
| 19:00.22 | MDBenson | but it isn't going so well :\ |
| 19:01.26 | AR-Brad | I see |
| 19:01.49 | AR-Brad | Well, I have a Mac and a few PCs. I'm not going to be much help. |
| 19:02.21 | MDBenson | hehe okay :) |
| 19:02.37 | MDBenson | but you learned something, so that's good right? :) |
| 19:03.09 | AR-Brad | Yeah! :D |
| 19:11.09 | pahartik | MDBenson: Good information |
| 19:12.00 | MDBenson | it's not helping me install Debian, sadly, but I'm glad to oblige ;) |
| 19:12.38 | AR-Brad | Uh, erm, uh. |
| 19:12.51 | AR-Brad | It needs the apple_bootstap partition, did you say? |
| 19:12.58 | MDBenson | no |
| 19:13.21 | MDBenson | it's complaining about that, but IBM machines don't need that |
| 19:13.29 | AR-Brad | Huh. |
| 19:13.40 | MDBenson | becasue their firmware works differently from Apple's |
| 19:14.15 | AR-Brad | There goes my idea. |
| 19:14.26 | MDBenson | :) it's okay someone else already tried that one :) |
| 19:16.06 | MDBenson | the issue is the installer is failing to install yaboot, which figures because the Apple_Bootstrap partition isn't there to install it to, but it should let use the alternative 'copy kernel to PReP partition' step but that doesn't work either. |
| 19:16.46 | MDBenson | If I could find a way to copy the kernel to the PReP partition by hand I'd be on my way, but I can't work out how Debian does it to try and replicate it manually |
| 19:16.49 | AR-Brad | I see. |
| 19:17.06 | AR-Brad | Well, I really have no clue. |
| 19:17.19 | AR-Brad | When I installed Debian on my Mac it just worked. |
| 19:21.25 | MDBenson | that's because you're using a Mac, it clearly is set up to work on Macs because they are the most common platform. |
| 19:22.02 | pahartik | MDBenson: What if you boot from network? |
| 19:22.47 | MDBenson | pahartik: booting is fine, partitioning is fine, installing files is fine, everything works except setting up the bootstrap |
| 19:23.05 | MDBenson | this was using a netinstall CD FWIW |
| 19:23.29 | AR-Brad | Different distro, maybe? |
| 19:23.31 | MDBenson | I'm downloading the DVD image so I can do it 'offline' next time as it took over 2 hours to download all the packages :S |
| 19:24.02 | MDBenson | AR-Brad: I'd like to get Debian working, and this is not an insurmountable hurdle |
| 19:24.18 | AR-Brad | Well, different distro of Debian. |
| 19:24.19 | MDBenson | I use Ubuntu on PCs a lot so I'm used to APT and such |
| 19:24.24 | MDBenson | ah |
| 19:24.25 | AR-Brad | Lenny, Squeeze, etc. |
| 19:24.29 | pahartik | MDBenson: So you can just boot installed system and then try to figure out how to copy kernel image to local filesystem? |
| 19:25.21 | MDBenson | pahartik: the installed system will not boot, the netinstall CD is booting fine - no issue there - but 'can just' isn't as easy as that |
| 19:26.27 | MDBenson | the PReP partition is in a format secific to the IBM firmware and I don't know if it's even mountable |
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| 20:56.59 | GtRsdk | Do I run install or install64 on a G5 Power Mac? |
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| 21:11.11 | GtRsdk | hopes install works |
| 21:17.25 | GtRsdk | Now running install video=ofonly |
| 21:23.53 | GtRsdk | now install64 |
| 21:23.59 | GtRsdk | hey it is loading :) |
| 21:26.56 | GtRsdk | and now it is installing :) |
| 21:52.39 | GtRsdk | disc ejected |
| 21:57.39 | GtRsdk | installed. So far, so good |
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