| 00:15.14 | *** join/#debianppc Bryanstein (~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein) |
| 00:18.45 | *** part/#debianppc pitelpan (~quassel@unaffiliated/pitelpan) |
| 00:31.32 | *** join/#debianppc Bryanstein (~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein) |
| 03:38.31 | *** join/#debianppc vaidy (~sv@59.92.127.254) |
| 05:34.43 | *** join/#debianppc Nalle_ (~janik@a91-153-38-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 05:35.05 | Nalle_ | Morning |
| 06:38.48 | pahartik | Hello Nalle_ Morning |
| 06:39.06 | Nalle_ | Morning paha |
| 06:51.46 | simonlnu | hey |
| 06:52.34 | Nalle_ | Heya simon |
| 06:52.42 | simonlnu | :) |
| 07:58.04 | *** join/#debianppc AlbertP (~albert@dsl-087-195-155-005.solcon.nl) |
| 12:01.22 | *** join/#debianppc bittin (~bittin@c213-100-108-76.cust.tele2.se) |
| 12:28.00 | *** join/#debianppc AlbertP (~albert@dsl-087-195-155-005.solcon.nl) |
| 14:47.05 | *** join/#debianppc Nalle_ (~janik@a91-153-38-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 15:00.26 | *** join/#debianppc apt (~apt@rikers.org) |
| 15:00.26 | *** topic/#debianppc is The Debian GNU/Linux PowerPC Port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ | Debian CDs are not bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs |
| 15:54.18 | *** join/#debianppc AlbertP (~albert@dsl-087-195-155-005.solcon.nl) |
| 16:34.45 | *** join/#debianppc vaidy (~sv@59.92.117.159) |
| 17:14.52 | *** join/#debianppc dougmencken (~username@93.123.156.139) |
| 17:14.57 | dougmencken | hi |
| 17:15.28 | dougmencken | tilda is broken (2-sec between screen update, raises avg load to 4) |
| 17:15.34 | dougmencken | gnome-terminal is broken: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667529 |
| 17:15.46 | dougmencken | what to use? xTerm? |
| 17:16.52 | pahartik | dougmencken: "rxvt-unicode-ml" |
| 17:17.14 | dougmencken | rxvt-unicode-ml? is this a package? |
| 17:17.16 | dougmencken | or? |
| 17:17.36 | dougmencken | ah, found it |
| 17:17.37 | dougmencken | rxvt-unicode-ml - multi-lingual terminal emulator -- transitional package |
| 17:18.10 | pahartik | dougmencken: Yes, it is package |
| 17:18.22 | dougmencken | but... why isn't it in deps for gnome-terminal? |
| 17:18.35 | dougmencken | installing now |
| 17:19.39 | pahartik | dougmencken: It provides "urxvt" |
| 17:20.12 | dougmencken | nope |
| 17:20.13 | dougmencken | the same |
| 17:20.14 | dougmencken | all control keys are just boxes |
| 17:20.18 | dougmencken | even arrows, home, etc. |
| 17:20.50 | dougmencken | doesn't know how "urxvt" can be de-chiphered |
| 17:21.36 | pahartik | dougmencken: You want terminal emulator application? |
| 17:21.40 | dougmencken | XTerm works perfectly |
| 17:21.46 | dougmencken | pahartik: yep, with tabs |
| 17:22.04 | dougmencken | and draggable |
| 17:22.08 | dougmencken | i.e. from GUI |
| 17:22.19 | dougmencken | XTerm can't do it |
| 17:23.19 | bittin | whats the difference between rxvt-unicode and rxvt-unicode-ml ? |
| 17:24.24 | dougmencken | rxvt-unicode-ml installs rxvt-unicode too, as a dep |
| 17:24.43 | dougmencken | and at the same time "suggests" it |
| 17:24.57 | dougmencken | so dep == suggestion, nice maintainer |
| 17:25.11 | bittin | hm okay but what do -ml that not regular does? |
| 17:25.31 | dougmencken | I dunno; maybe "ml" stands for "multilanguage" |
| 17:25.43 | dougmencken | what does that do with bug with control chars ... |
| 17:25.52 | bittin | ah |
| 17:25.59 | dougmencken | and why my bug hasn't been answered in >2 weeks... |
| 17:26.31 | bittin | okay |
| 17:26.52 | dougmencken | bittin: do you have the same bug? do you use Sid? |
| 17:27.28 | bittin | i use Wheezy |
| 17:27.32 | bittin | and always use urxvt |
| 17:27.51 | dougmencken | installing this package doesn't help |
| 17:27.57 | dougmencken | or maybe shall I re-login? |
| 17:31.10 | dougmencken | I should update that bug |
| 17:31.33 | dougmencken | "3.4.0.1-1 with rxvt-unicode-ml doesn't work too" |
| 17:32.51 | dougmencken | and to control too, to raise importance |
| 17:33.57 | bittin | iam still on 3.3.0-trunk |
| 17:34.28 | dougmencken | bittin: it's easy to upgrade to sid, you know :) |
| 17:34.35 | bittin | i don't want :( |
| 17:34.40 | bittin | then my system brokes |
| 17:34.56 | dougmencken | not completely |
| 17:35.05 | bittin | i used unstable on my eeepc once and almost all stuff borked |
| 17:35.43 | dougmencken | actually, it is broken anyways; for example, LO Base has *never* been working on PowerPC, nor alienArena, etc. |
| 17:36.01 | dougmencken | debian packages ~1GiB of non-working stuff for years... why? |
| 17:36.50 | dougmencken | because nobody bothers even just to test |
| 17:36.51 | bittin | i have not tried playing Alien Arena |
| 17:37.17 | dougmencken | bittin: strat and myself made alienArena endian-neutral in <10 days |
| 17:37.29 | bittin | ah cool |
| 17:37.31 | dougmencken | so current upstream's svn is okay |
| 17:37.38 | bittin | ah |
| 17:37.52 | dougmencken | things are worse with LO Base |
| 17:38.11 | bittin | i only use like urxvt, mplayer, audacious, vlc, pidgin, iceape, liferea, wicd and Xchat on this DebianPPC computer :p |
| 17:38.13 | dougmencken | too complicated for me; all these .idl's, javamaker, their spaghetti build system |
| 17:38.33 | bittin | ah i use abiword and gnumeric instead of LO |
| 17:38.43 | dougmencken | bittin: so... isn't this your primarily desktop system? |
| 17:39.28 | bittin | sometimes it is |
| 17:39.53 | dougmencken | counted as "of course, not" :) |
| 17:40.24 | bittin | it actully is now as i got old of my better PC and gave it away :p |
| 17:40.32 | bittin | -old +mad |
| 17:40.54 | bittin | and throwed away my older PC and my iMac G3 and iMac G5 as they broke |
| 17:41.03 | bittin | so my eMac g4 is the only working computer here :p |
| 17:41.19 | bittin | but in 2months i will finish building an i5 so then i will use that instead |
| 17:41.24 | dougmencken | what was wrong with iMac G5? |
| 17:41.31 | dougmencken | (I also have one, not as main machine) |
| 17:41.50 | bittin | the ram memory and HDD broke but i sold it to somone who can fix it |
| 17:42.10 | dougmencken | hmm |
| 17:42.24 | bittin | and the plastic on the back feel of and never wanted to get back on |
| 17:42.57 | bittin | got it for 70USD |
| 17:43.09 | bittin | sold it for 100 USD |
| 17:43.24 | dougmencken | I got iMac G5 for $600 |
| 17:43.46 | dougmencken | with 2GiB RAM and 250 Gb HDD |
| 17:44.06 | dougmencken | still works well |
| 17:44.07 | bittin | ah |
| 17:44.12 | dougmencken | but I use it for OS X |
| 17:44.32 | dougmencken | Linux is only on desktops (like current G5 dual 2.3) |
| 17:44.33 | bittin | i don't have any OS X box left |
| 17:44.39 | bittin | all broke or i sold / gived them away |
| 17:45.32 | dougmencken | Processed: 667529: important |
| 17:45.39 | bittin | hm? |
| 17:45.52 | dougmencken | that's about that bug |
| 17:46.05 | dougmencken | never played with control? |
| 17:46.22 | bittin | nope |
| 17:46.36 | bittin | used to have like 18 old macs |
| 17:46.39 | dougmencken | ever posted a bug? |
| 17:46.44 | bittin | now i only got this eMac and 3 68k macs |
| 17:46.49 | bittin | yea years ago i guess |
| 17:47.35 | dougmencken | actually, 68k are just for nostalgia |
| 17:47.36 | dougmencken | MOVE.L D4,D7 |
| 17:47.49 | dougmencken | LEA D1,O(A7) |
| 17:47.55 | bittin | ASM :> |
| 17:48.04 | dougmencken | he-heh |
| 17:48.19 | bittin | only coded 68k ASM on my old Atari STe however :p |
| 17:48.32 | dougmencken | RTS |
| 17:48.48 | bittin | but nothing serious |
| 17:48.58 | dougmencken | okay |
| 17:49.07 | bittin | MOVE.W (D1,C2) |
| 17:49.35 | dougmencken | there's no C2 register |
| 17:49.37 | dougmencken | ;) |
| 17:49.52 | bittin | used to play some games on my performa 475 but the SCSII drive died |
| 17:50.06 | bittin | and my SE and SE/30 only stands becouse i don't want to get rid of them |
| 17:50.16 | dougmencken | I bought an external SCSI drive just for $400 |
| 17:50.23 | dougmencken | two months ago |
| 17:50.36 | dougmencken | works well with my Performa 6400 |
| 17:50.43 | dougmencken | 400GiB!! |
| 17:50.48 | dougmencken | Gb |
| 17:50.56 | bittin | :o |
| 17:50.59 | bittin | awesome |
| 17:51.12 | bittin | think the one i had was 120mb |
| 17:51.19 | dougmencken | but CD is broken, yes; and I can't find anything suitable |
| 17:51.29 | bittin | :( |
| 17:51.32 | dougmencken | (only 2xCD-ROM from old server) |
| 17:53.04 | dougmencken | also, that Performa doesn't have ethernet card, so no network |
| 17:53.18 | dougmencken | and it is impossible to find one now |
| 18:02.05 | dougmencken | Bug#667529: Info received (still not working; current version is 3.4.0.1-1) |
| 18:05.16 | dougmencken | the more I'm trying to work with debian, the more I do understand that I should work with upstream *only* |
| 18:05.37 | dougmencken | debian guys are ignorant |
| 18:06.16 | dougmencken | they don't care to test; "if it builds and works on x86, and builds on %some-arch%, then it works on %some-arch%" |
| 18:06.31 | dougmencken | otherwise, it would be marked as removed |
| 18:07.05 | dougmencken | but only for non-x86 |
| 18:17.19 | dougmencken | don't believe me? okay, a proof: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585829 |
| 18:17.33 | dougmencken | I think i'll just not package Base for armel for the time being starting |
| 18:17.34 | dougmencken | with the next upload. |
| 18:17.47 | bittin | ;( |
| 18:18.04 | dougmencken | bittin: but it never worked on PowerPC too |
| 18:18.14 | dougmencken | I suppose the same is for SPARC, MIPS, etc. |
| 18:18.19 | bittin | yea |
| 18:18.31 | bittin | i never tried to run Libreoffice on this comp however |
| 18:18.50 | dougmencken | bittin: I'm using it a lot |
| 18:19.00 | dougmencken | in my coutry, LO is a government standard |
| 18:19.15 | dougmencken | it is also ISO IEC |
| 18:19.40 | bittin | cool |
| 18:19.45 | dougmencken | nobody does accept word documents, only PDF or ODF |
| 18:19.52 | dougmencken | EPS too, but limited |
| 18:19.53 | bittin | awesome |
| 18:20.10 | bittin | in Sweden all use DOC :( |
| 18:20.15 | dougmencken | international standard |
| 18:20.47 | dougmencken | bittin: info from 2000? or present? |
| 18:21.58 | bittin | dunno when i was in school all people used .doc |
| 18:22.04 | bittin | but some people uses .odf now also |
| 18:22.16 | dougmencken | Microsoft lose the chance to be ISO IEC standard y "not fully" opening OOXML (.docx) |
| 18:22.19 | bittin | most websites actully has .pdf when thinking |
| 18:22.32 | bittin | i mostly read .pdf and .txt files nowdays |
| 18:22.37 | dougmencken | yeah, PDF is cool; producible from everywhere |
| 18:23.33 | bittin | i actully like .pdf |
| 18:23.59 | dougmencken | also, there's a question about actual "source" of textual documents |
| 18:24.17 | dougmencken | with PDF, you're getting ready-to-read-and-print ones |
| 18:24.38 | dougmencken | with DOC/OOXML/ODF you're getting "bundled" ones |
| 18:24.52 | dougmencken | no chance to getoriginal picturel, etc. |
| 18:24.58 | dougmencken | pictures* |
| 18:25.08 | dougmencken | is a big LaTeX fan :) |
| 18:26.25 | bittin | i have thinked of learning LateX for years but never did :p |
| 18:26.28 | bittin | becouse of lazyness |
| 18:26.53 | dougmencken | a big chance you will be disappointed |
| 18:27.04 | dougmencken | or will became LaTeX evangelist |
| 18:27.13 | bittin | :p |
| 18:27.33 | bittin | i mostly write all my stuff in vim |
| 18:27.48 | dougmencken | prefers nano |
| 18:27.57 | dougmencken | ^^^ call him nood |
| 18:28.12 | bittin | i just installed abiword on this computer for when i have to read .odf and .doc |
| 18:28.14 | dougmencken | noob* |
| 18:28.15 | dougmencken | :) |
| 18:28.24 | bittin | used it 2 times in 3yars :D |
| 18:28.31 | bittin | years* |
| 18:28.33 | dougmencken | ah, abiword |
| 18:28.47 | dougmencken | I remember I fixed abiword too |
| 18:28.51 | bittin | :) |
| 18:29.04 | bittin | and gnumeric for excel files |
| 18:29.09 | bittin | that i used 1 time in 3yars :D |
| 18:29.23 | dougmencken | abiword can produce .tex files much better than LibreOffice |
| 18:29.32 | dougmencken | and even paid solutions for windows® |
| 18:29.38 | dougmencken | (like GrindE) |
| 18:29.47 | dougmencken | from .doc, .odt, yes! |
| 18:29.47 | bittin | hm okay |
| 18:30.13 | dougmencken | I do actually use abiword just to export to .tex :) |
| 18:30.46 | bittin | cool |
| 18:31.52 | bittin | anyways should shower |
| 18:32.41 | bittin | the trunk kernel in testing was more stable then i thinked |
| 18:32.56 | bittin | people told me to not use trunk becouse it would be ultra unstable but works alright for me |
| 18:36.27 | bittin | but well i used to be an arch user before so, some bleeding edge is not scaring me |
| 18:44.01 | bittin | back |
| 18:53.25 | dougmencken | bittin: what about to join development, actaully? |
| 18:53.42 | dougmencken | or at least to join blaming company |
| 18:53.50 | bittin | don't know what i can help with :p |
| 18:54.04 | dougmencken | install everything you can, test it, and then report bugs |
| 18:54.16 | dougmencken | bittin: more users -- more attention |
| 18:54.29 | bittin | think i can try doing that :p |
| 18:54.33 | dougmencken | now it looks like only douglas is interested in Debian for PowerPC desktops |
| 18:55.27 | bittin | iam intrested in Debian for PPC desktop but i don't want to change to unstable, but will report all bugs i find in testing |
| 18:55.40 | bittin | and can try applications when i got the time |
| 18:55.53 | dougmencken | bittin: sid version will came to testing in ~half year |
| 18:56.13 | bittin | ah okay |
| 18:56.32 | dougmencken | to report the bug, you just mail submit@debian.org with lines Package: package-name Version: version |
| 18:56.47 | bittin | yea that i know |
| 18:56.54 | dougmencken | cool :) |
| 18:57.13 | dougmencken | reportbug is broken too, and I reported it, and maintainer told me to shut up |
| 18:57.22 | bittin | :( |
| 18:57.27 | dougmencken | and closed the bug |
| 18:57.41 | bittin | that sucks |
| 18:57.41 | dougmencken | so I got how to do it manually, w/o any pythonized scripts |
| 18:58.01 | bittin | that sucks |
| 18:58.12 | dougmencken | that's free software, and do-o-cracy |
| 18:58.25 | dougmencken | http://www.communitywiki.org/DoOcracy |
| 18:59.02 | bittin | indeed |
| 18:59.10 | bittin | lets write an reportbug-ppc |
| 18:59.11 | bittin | :D |
| 18:59.38 | bittin | or maybe not |
| 18:59.40 | dougmencken | that's much easier to report them directly :) |
| 19:00.03 | bittin | true |
| 19:00.05 | dougmencken | also, direct reports doesn't leave a tail with "suggested packages" and so |
| 19:54.31 | *** join/#debianppc svu (~svu@217.114.169.228) |
| 20:24.17 | *** join/#debianppc dougmencken (~username@93.123.156.139) |
| 20:24.41 | dougmencken | oops, serious power failure caused >10 times overload on all UPSes |
| 20:25.02 | dougmencken | but all routers are on-line now |
| 20:35.09 | dougmencken | another win! |
| 20:35.36 | dougmencken | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674220 ---> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673409 << upstream is always 1000000 times faster than debian maints |
| 20:49.28 | dougmencken | it is even now pushed to master |
| 20:49.47 | dougmencken | upstream is cool |
| 20:50.06 | dougmencken | debian just doesn't care |
| 23:03.55 | *** join/#debianppc svu (~svu@217.114.169.228) |
| 23:04.51 | *** join/#debianppc svu_ (~svu@217.114.169.228) |
| 23:09.49 | *** join/#debianppc svu__ (~svu@217.114.169.228) |
| 23:20.22 | *** join/#debianppc svu_ (~svu@217.114.169.228) |
| 23:22.11 | *** join/#debianppc svu_ (~svu@217.114.169.228) |