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| 18:10.08 | dougmencken | guys... why am I still need to do 'dhclient lo' and 'dhclient eth0' after every boot? |
| 18:22.48 | simonlnu | fix your interfaces file? |
| 18:23.14 | simonlnu | /join #debian and then do /msg dpkg inerfaces |
| 18:29.00 | dougmencken | simonlnu: I'm banned on #debian and on #debian@oftc etc. |
| 18:29.14 | dougmencken | (just because I told I'm using powerpc and will never buy x86) |
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| 18:39.43 | dougmencken | simonlnu: where's interfaces file? |
| 18:39.55 | simonlnu | /etc/network |
| 18:40.15 | dougmencken | simonlnu: lo and eth0 are here |
| 18:40.20 | dougmencken | time for bug? |
| 18:40.35 | simonlnu | are they set auto lo / auto eth0 ? |
| 18:41.01 | dougmencken | http://pastebin.com/TYswMsHX |
| 18:41.14 | simonlnu | wonders why you'd even want to have lo interface via dhclient .... |
| 18:41.14 | dougmencken | the contents of that file |
| 18:41.33 | dougmencken | simonlnu: coz I have no networking at all at bootup |
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| 18:41.50 | simonlnu | you'd ifup lo not dhclient |
| 18:42.36 | dougmencken | simonlnu: just tell me which package to report a bug against |
| 18:42.49 | dougmencken | shclient or maybe kernel or maybe? |
| 18:44.26 | dougmencken | because before March 2012, everything was fine |
| 18:44.57 | dougmencken | and since march 2012, I need to do 'dhclient lo' and 'dhclient eth0' every time I re-boot |
| 18:45.24 | dougmencken | can't test would ifup work or not right now |
| 18:46.04 | simonlnu | could you paste that at another pastebin, for some odd reason i can't get to pastebin.com right now |
| 18:46.22 | dougmencken | simonlnu: /query maybe? |
| 18:46.28 | simonlnu | that's ok |
| 18:49.21 | simonlnu | how odd it's not working... package is ifupdown |
| 18:49.58 | dougmencken | ah, back here |
| 18:50.03 | simonlnu | what release is this? |
| 18:50.07 | dougmencken | Sid |
| 18:50.18 | dougmencken | Debian GNU/Linux Sid, updated every day |
| 18:50.33 | simonlnu | did you try assigning the ip for eth0 statically? |
| 18:50.47 | dougmencken | simonlnu: since ifconfig is gone, no |
| 18:51.08 | dougmencken | (I just don't know how to) |
| 18:51.17 | simonlnu | in the file |
| 18:52.00 | dougmencken | 192.168.0.1 is great gateway, it's my first router in my network |
| 18:52.08 | dougmencken | what's wrong with it? |
| 18:52.34 | simonlnu | ah well, is this the gateway machine, or in the network? |
| 18:53.01 | dougmencken | simonlnu: I'm two levels of routers behind me, but i'm also on DMZ |
| 18:53.18 | dougmencken | i.e. you can try to ssh to my ip :) |
| 18:53.36 | dougmencken | (I can even open a login for you) |
| 18:53.54 | simonlnu | no it's ok |
| 18:54.05 | dougmencken | okay is that it worked before |
| 18:54.11 | dougmencken | and now it doesn't |
| 18:54.26 | simonlnu | so if i have this clear, you're assigning your gateway ip to a client machine? |
| 18:54.50 | dougmencken | my internal (under NAT) ip is 192.168.0.100 |
| 18:54.58 | dougmencken | gateway is 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:55.05 | dougmencken | it always worked |
| 18:55.10 | simonlnu | oh sorry, i misread the paste |
| 18:55.49 | simonlnu | you can leave off the hostname part. the discovery phase of dhcp will latch onto the first discovered dhcpd |
| 18:56.07 | simonlnu | (which is why you filter this stuff ;) |
| 18:56.18 | dougmencken | knows how dhcp works |
| 18:56.19 | simonlnu | you should anyway |
| 18:56.23 | simonlnu | ok :) |
| 18:56.57 | dougmencken | simonlnu: the problem is: why it isn't done on boot/initramfs stage (or whatever) |
| 18:57.03 | dougmencken | (as it was before) |
| 18:57.43 | simonlnu | dunno... check the bts for ifupdown package, and see what's up |
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| 18:58.50 | dougmencken | ifupdown... what's it? which ifupdown tells nothing; bash: type: ifupdown: not found; |
| 18:59.11 | dougmencken | $ apt-cahce search ifupdown >>>> ifupdown - high level tools to configure network interfaces |
| 18:59.14 | simonlnu | it's the package name. some more well known contents are ifup |
| 18:59.41 | dougmencken | installing it |
| 18:59.50 | simonlnu | not installed? o_O |
| 18:59.54 | dougmencken | Removing obsolete conffile /etc/default/ifupdown ... |
| 18:59.59 | dougmencken | simonlnu: it wasn't |
| 19:00.17 | dougmencken | simonlnu: maybe this was a reason? |
| 19:00.22 | simonlnu | omg. /me smells incomplete installation or other brokenness |
| 19:00.32 | simonlnu | um, yeh ;) |
| 19:00.50 | dougmencken | simonlnu: incomplete installation is definitely not my case :) |
| 19:01.04 | dougmencken | removing package / config files silently maybe |
| 19:01.11 | dougmencken | (replacing it with other ones) |
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| 19:01.39 | simonlnu | it's a "standard" or "essential". it's very unusual to have it disappear on you. |
| 19:02.14 | simonlnu | 15:02 <simonlnu> info ifupdown |
| 19:02.14 | simonlnu | 15:02 <judd> Package ifupdown (admin, important) in squeeze/i386: high level tools to configure network interfaces. Version: 0.6.10; Size: 46.6k; |
| 19:02.17 | simonlnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.24 | dougmencken | simonlnu: on some usual apt-get -y dist-upgrade, I even lost xorg |
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| 19:02.49 | simonlnu | on sid i tend to stay away from apt-get and use aptitude's ui |
| 19:02.54 | dougmencken | (glad I have a cool tty, so I have resotred it via install xorg etc.) |
| 19:03.28 | dougmencken | simonlnu: never used it, worth trying? |
| 19:03.42 | simonlnu | i'll use apt-get build-dep, source, but rarely install stuff that way |
| 19:03.45 | dougmencken | -su: aptitude: command not found |
| 19:04.03 | simonlnu | i think so. been using it almost as long as it's been available |
| 19:04.08 | dougmencken | simonlnu: I use all of them: build-dep, source, and install |
| 19:04.52 | dougmencken | apt-get is more near to dpkg than ncurses-based aptitude, I think |
| 19:05.09 | simonlnu | aptitude has a CLI interface too |
| 19:05.28 | dougmencken | loves ncurses |
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| 19:08.54 | dougmencken | stop compaining... let's rejoice |
| 19:09.04 | dougmencken | alien arena is now fully compat with big-endian archs! |
| 19:09.08 | simonlnu | should work now ;) |
| 19:09.32 | dougmencken | libre office base now works on arch where char is unsigned! |
| 19:10.03 | simonlnu | cool |
| 19:10.23 | dougmencken | doesn't ask for thanks, but.. :) |
| 19:10.26 | simonlnu | and sid is slushy. not so cool, but oh well. release time. |
| 19:10.37 | simonlnu | oh, good for you |
| 19:10.46 | dougmencken | simonlnu: yep, using git and svn are better, but is not debian |
| 19:11.52 | dougmencken | http://wiki.debian.org/ArchitectureSpecificsMemo << cool info |
| 19:12.26 | dougmencken | I even bookmarked this page |
| 19:12.54 | dougmencken | (after all these dealings with incompatibilities and being x86-only oriented) |
| 19:12.54 | simonlnu | ah that's useful |
| 19:13.56 | dougmencken | by the way, declaring 'char' as signed means adding a lot of extsb ops (extend sign byte) |
| 19:14.27 | dougmencken | on any 32-bit arch char shall be unsigned (it has been discussed back in 1994-95) |
| 19:14.38 | dougmencken | (now we do have 64-bit archs) |
| 19:15.33 | simonlnu | not much of a programmer, but i do have a basic grasp of such things |
| 19:16.14 | dougmencken | time to reboot and to check will networking work w/o nay magic |
| 19:16.17 | dougmencken | see you |
| 19:16.29 | simonlnu | see you |
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| 19:19.40 | dougmencken | yes!!! |
| 19:19.49 | dougmencken | out-of-box (i.r out-of-boot) :) |
| 19:19.58 | simonlnu | woot woot |
| 19:20.16 | dougmencken | which package was it (just to remember)... ifupdown? |
| 19:20.28 | simonlnu | yes |
| 19:20.35 | dougmencken | cool |
| 19:20.45 | dougmencken | simonlnu: thanks for guiding |
| 19:21.00 | simonlnu | there's other packages that do similar things, but that's the default one. |
| 19:21.02 | simonlnu | np |
| 19:22.26 | dougmencken | nice GNU/Emacs custom string :) |
| 19:26.48 | dougmencken | simonlnu: which machine do you use? |
| 19:28.02 | simonlnu | g4 tower, some x86 thing |
| 19:28.30 | dougmencken | I'm on 2x2-core ppc970mp :) |
| 19:28.50 | dougmencken | liquid-cooling one |
| 19:29.15 | simonlnu | nice |
| 19:29.15 | dougmencken | (anyway, it is handled by "windfarm") |
| 19:29.34 | simonlnu | brb |
| 19:29.35 | dougmencken | (windfarm is linux the kernel's thing) |
| 19:30.13 | dougmencken | simonlnu: yeah, see you |
| 19:37.13 | simonlnu | back |
| 19:50.59 | simonlnu | was finally able to get pastebin.com |
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| 19:59.01 | dougmencken | simonlnu: how to hide ip on freenode? /mode +x doesn't work |
| 19:59.17 | dougmencken | (i.e. I see you have "TisN9fgnRw@unaffiliated" and so |
| 19:59.21 | simonlnu | need to ask #freenode for a cloak |
| 19:59.46 | simonlnu | the aJkhcpDOJW username is from oidentd |
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| 20:04.53 | dougmencken | simonlnu: test me, please |
| 20:05.20 | simonlnu | there ya go |
| 20:05.23 | simonlnu | ~username@unaffiliated/dougmencken |
| 20:05.29 | dougmencken | wow ;) |
| 20:05.44 | dougmencken | this doesn't solve "Cannot join to channel #debian (You are banned)" |
| 20:06.02 | simonlnu | no. you'd have to talk to the op who banned you |
| 20:06.30 | dougmencken | simonlnu: did it 9000 times, even talked with Ganeth (or whatever it is called) |
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| 20:07.33 | dougmencken | white constant external static ip is a problem... |
| 20:07.57 | dougmencken | (you also can't open web sever, you'd be banned by wikipedia then) |
| 20:08.12 | dougmencken | (for opening 80 port, as a "potential proxy") |
| 20:08.31 | simonlnu | i don't have such a problem |
| 20:09.02 | dougmencken | simonlnu: try to open my web page |
| 20:09.08 | dougmencken | 93.123.156.139 is my ip |
| 20:09.31 | dougmencken | you shall see smth like "This is the default web page for this server." |
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