| 01:24.07 | Beastie | Is there any way in hell to actually get the GUI to work on this G3 blue and white? |
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| 01:39.49 | Beastie | Well the folks over in #Debian said you guys are ppc freaks so check this out and let me know if this LinuxMintPPC xorg would work on debian? |
| 01:40.13 | Beastie | here --> http://mac.linux.be/files/xorg/g3_450.txt or here --> http://mac.linux.be/files/xorg/g3_bw.txt |
| 01:54.15 | Beastie | Damnit! It's still failing! |
| 02:00.12 | rainfyre | Beastie: I run squeeze on my ppc mac :) |
| 02:00.18 | rainfyre | Beastie: never tried mintppc |
| 02:00.44 | simonlnu | Beastie: boot time, add that to kernel command line |
| 02:02.20 | Beastie | i'M ABOUT TO JUST QUIT |
| 02:02.47 | Beastie | I hate giving up, but damn this is eating my time up. |
| 02:03.22 | Beastie | what ppc mac do you have rainfyre? G3 Powerpc Blue and white or an imac? |
| 02:03.52 | Beastie | If you have the same system as me could you paste your xorg.conf? |
| 02:04.11 | Beastie | cuz everything is failing for me. Even when I try X -configure there are errors. |
| 02:04.22 | Beastie | I'm about to install mint for ppc and see how that fails me probably. |
| 02:05.01 | Beastie | The only success I've had is with openbsd 5.1, and that's "some" success. No java support and if there is I would have to rewrite code which I don't have the knowledge to do so. |
| 02:06.14 | rainfyre | Beastie: I have a G$ powerbook |
| 02:06.16 | Beastie | No other gui will make a difference huh? |
| 02:06.20 | rainfyre | G4 |
| 02:06.23 | Beastie | like if I tried to install KDE |
| 02:06.44 | rainfyre | I'll brb and post that for you if you're interested |
| 02:06.59 | Beastie | I have a G3 and it's VERY tough to get this model working with anything besides a mac os. Problem with the mac OS doesn't update at all |
| 02:07.14 | Beastie | rainfyre: I don't think the G4 xorg will work do you though? |
| 02:07.25 | Beastie | There are options to disable due to my video card and such. |
| 02:07.37 | Beastie | I like older computers, but then I don't like older computers. |
| 02:07.51 | Beastie | With older computers it seems you have to get your hands a lot dirtier. |
| 02:08.00 | simonlnu | oh, b&w. those have really old ati |
| 02:08.26 | simonlnu | only way i could get a coloured imac's video going was using fbdev for x |
| 02:08.37 | Beastie | Sooo...I'm going with the linux mint (Still Debian) to see if there are some slight differences that will get his mofo booting with GUI. I don't want to go back to OpenBSD because there is very little support. |
| 02:08.38 | simonlnu | that's not going to be much better |
| 02:09.10 | simonlnu | debian-ish. as in based on it. but it's a different distro entirely. |
| 02:09.11 | Beastie | What should I do? |
| 02:09.25 | Beastie | I've tried EVERYTHING man, it's crazyness. |
| 02:09.28 | simonlnu | well, i also had to disable int10 checking |
| 02:09.37 | Beastie | All these distros that supposedly support this G3 really don't. |
| 02:09.39 | simonlnu | int10 is some x86 thing |
| 02:10.09 | simonlnu | lemme check if i still have that conf |
| 02:10.18 | Beastie | Freebsd issues on boot, Ubuntu PPC issues, Gentoo issues no boot, OpenBSD 5.1 lots of configurations, works, but NO java support |
| 02:10.55 | Beastie | My xorg fails every time man when I try to configure it. |
| 02:12.00 | Beastie | I'm at a complete loss. I know with OpenBSD I had to change the tty to get the gui, and do some other tricky shit. |
| 02:12.05 | simonlnu | man xorg.conf; look for Int10 - disable that |
| 02:12.16 | simonlnu | that's hardly tricky |
| 02:12.17 | Beastie | okay I'll give it a go hang on. |
| 02:12.36 | Beastie | Not really tricky, but a lot of work. |
| 02:12.48 | Beastie | Just a lot of different things I had to do to get it working. |
| 02:13.41 | Beastie | there is no Int10 |
| 02:14.04 | simonlnu | thos 2 things i mentioned are the big issues. probably be better to just stop gdm or whatever from starting until it's fixed. having to vt switch and restart it is a mild pain |
| 02:14.33 | simonlnu | Option "NoInt10" "boolean" |
| 02:14.48 | simonlnu | Disables the Int10 module, a module that uses the int10 call to the BIOS of the graphics card to initialize it. Default: false. |
| 02:15.01 | Beastie | This is the xorg.conf I'm using --> http://mac.linux.be/xorgconf-g3-450-bw |
| 02:15.18 | simonlnu | that's slightly off. it's false, but it still does check anyway. that probing is what can cause issues. |
| 02:15.24 | Beastie | I have a diff setup, let me check that one |
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| 02:16.02 | Beastie | and this --> I tried to disable what they mentioned there but it's for an iMac G3 --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/black-screen-after-installing-debian-on-powerpc-imac-936701/ |
| 02:16.05 | rainfyre_ | hey Beastie, now what did you need the output of? |
| 02:16.46 | simonlnu | have you also done what they said? |
| 02:17.06 | Beastie | YES |
| 02:17.07 | simonlnu | sounds about right to me |
| 02:17.20 | Beastie | hang on one sec |
| 02:17.44 | Beastie | rainfyre_: I was going to take a look at your xorg.conf but like I was saying I don't know if it will work for this G3? |
| 02:18.24 | rainfyre_ | you got it |
| 02:18.46 | Beastie | Well I'm pasting what my xorg.conf looks like |
| 02:19.03 | Beastie | it is here --> http://codepad.org/BQ9nFjZE |
| 02:19.39 | rainfyre_ | Beastie: where is your xorg.conf ? I'm only finding xorg.conf.d on my box |
| 02:20.13 | Beastie | what about modules? |
| 02:20.18 | Beastie | it's in /etc/X11 |
| 02:20.37 | Beastie | I think it may be in different directories, I'm not sure. I'm a n00bster |
| 02:21.15 | rainfyre_ | ok |
| 02:21.32 | Beastie | 1 sec need a smoke. |
| 02:22.20 | Beastie | back |
| 02:22.37 | simonlnu | xorg.conf.d is for putting snippets into it |
| 02:22.42 | Beastie | I have other xorg.conf files. I searched for xorg.conf and found examples in my system. |
| 02:23.32 | rainfyre | simonlnu: where is my xorg.conf ?> |
| 02:23.43 | Beastie | rainfyre: I didn't have one either. |
| 02:23.45 | simonlnu | /etc/X11 is where it goes |
| 02:24.05 | simonlnu | and it's generated by default. it's auto-configured |
| 02:24.09 | simonlnu | not* |
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| 02:24.40 | simonlnu | i have some old stuff on my site, but i don't have the imac conf |
| 02:24.52 | Beastie | yeah I had to find one, also there was one in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf |
| 02:24.59 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 02:25.08 | Beastie | and yes /usr/share/X22/xorg.conf.d |
| 02:26.05 | rainfyre | ok |
| 02:26.33 | rainfyre | nope, nothing there |
| 02:26.48 | rainfyre | but Beastie I'm on my G4 box now so if there's anything else I can help with. |
| 02:26.49 | simonlnu | x,X22,X11, |
| 02:26.50 | rainfyre | let me know |
| 02:26.55 | simonlnu | s,X22,X11, even |
| 02:27.04 | rainfyre | simonlnu: I got nothing |
| 02:27.07 | Beastie | try /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.gz ??? |
| 02:27.10 | Beastie | not sure what that is. |
| 02:27.39 | simonlnu | a man page |
| 02:27.50 | Beastie | ah that's why it's .gz huh |
| 02:27.55 | Beastie | compressed |
| 02:27.58 | simonlnu | it's groff text, gzipped |
| 02:28.07 | Beastie | ah |
| 02:28.26 | simonlnu | look at it without the post-processing ;) |
| 02:28.53 | Beastie | my X -configure doesn't even friggin work! |
| 02:29.02 | Beastie | wanna check that crap out? |
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| 02:30.15 | simonlnu | er? |
| 02:30.29 | Beastie | http://codepad.org/GdDhd9za |
| 02:30.32 | Beastie | check out that garbage |
| 02:32.48 | simonlnu | yeh, see? /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so |
| 02:33.04 | simonlnu | it's trying to load it. that's exactly what i was seeing with the imac. |
| 02:34.56 | Beastie | What shall I do to fix it? |
| 02:35.10 | simonlnu | 22:14 < simonlnu> Option "NoInt10" "boolean" |
| 02:35.14 | simonlnu | 22:14 < simonlnu> Disables the Int10 module, a module that uses the int10 call to the BIOS of the graphics card to initialize it. Default: false. |
| 02:35.36 | Beastie | I don't know how to do that I would though if I knew how to. |
| 02:36.16 | Beastie | lsmod shows modules right? how do I load them? |
| 02:36.53 | simonlnu | in man xorg.conf, it tells you where to put it. also, search for int10 bus error blue and white g3 on google or whatever other search engine |
| 02:37.12 | simonlnu | lsmod is *kernel* modules. xorg modules are different. |
| 02:40.13 | Beastie | OMG dude this is going to be impossible. |
| 02:40.20 | Beastie | Not impossible but take forever. |
| 02:40.32 | simonlnu | nah. just work what you have already, and add it |
| 02:40.38 | simonlnu | with what* |
| 02:46.01 | Beastie | ahhh shit |
| 02:47.31 | Beastie | oh derp I see now |
| 02:49.17 | Beastie | Okay I'm sorry but I don't know where to put "NoInt10" is it under Section "Modules" Load or what? |
| 02:50.05 | simonlnu | scroll up, you'll see where ("SCREEN SECTION") |
| 02:51.04 | simonlnu | also, add Option "InitPrimary" "False" |
| 02:51.48 | Beastie | Okay I see Section "Screen" |
| 02:52.00 | simonlnu | in there yes |
| 02:52.15 | simonlnu | anyway, x would complain loudly ;p |
| 02:52.56 | Beastie | hang on one sec plz |
| 02:54.08 | simonlnu | hangs on to the tree branch over his head |
| 02:56.45 | Beastie | okay talking to my dumbass woman. |
| 02:56.53 | simonlnu | ... |
| 02:57.08 | Beastie | No wonder I have no time for anything, get stressed out and shit. |
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| 02:57.39 | Beastie | my bad stressed out and stuff |
| 02:57.55 | simonlnu | no, talking about women that way |
| 02:57.57 | Beastie | kind of venting, wrong place for it. |
| 02:58.16 | Beastie | It's not "women" by the way. |
| 02:58.30 | simonlnu | i don't care if it's one or many |
| 02:58.35 | Beastie | k |
| 03:02.53 | Beastie | I'm sorry I just don't know how to add this stuff. I just don't |
| 03:03.12 | Beastie | Wait I think I got it now. |
| 03:03.48 | Beastie | I'm sorry man. A lot has gone on recently. Aunt died, grandma had a stroke, dad had a mini stroke, money is tight, my gf is stressing me the bleep out. |
| 03:07.04 | simonlnu | i'm sorry that you're having a tough time. we all have our rough times. i hope it goes better for all of you. i really do. but picking on each other won't help that ;). |
| 03:07.18 | Beastie | Yeah that's true. |
| 03:07.25 | Beastie | thanks though ;-) |
| 03:07.31 | simonlnu | s'ok |
| 03:07.51 | Beastie | Hey I see the options underneath Section "Devices" |
| 03:08.03 | Beastie | err section "device" |
| 03:08.46 | simonlnu | basically a cut and paste from the man page, and subbing in False in place of boolean |
| 03:08.59 | simonlnu | or, edit the ones there already |
| 03:09.06 | simonlnu | uncomment, etc. |
| 03:10.24 | Beastie | Okay here is the line then right Option then "InitPrimary" [<false>] |
| 03:11.35 | simonlnu | i think you have to double quote them |
| 03:11.55 | simonlnu | like: Option "InitPrimary" "False" |
| 03:12.05 | Beastie | ah yes derp it says it at the top. |
| 03:12.10 | simonlnu | and the Into10 too eh |
| 03:12.15 | simonlnu | Int10* |
| 03:12.23 | Beastie | I have to do <bool>: "False" |
| 03:12.27 | simonlnu | (into o_O?) |
| 03:13.47 | Beastie | ha ha what? |
| 03:13.57 | simonlnu | my typo :) |
| 03:15.55 | Beastie | so sorry for being a moron, but I know nothing about this AT ALL. |
| 03:17.07 | Beastie | so is this right then Option "InitPrimary" "False" |
| 03:17.40 | simonlnu | s'ok. i gotta wander off. good luck with that, and i hope your family gets better and gets a break |
| 03:17.45 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 03:18.28 | Beastie | Thanks a lot ;-) |
| 03:19.11 | Beastie | sorry one more thing where does the Int10 go? |
| 03:19.25 | Beastie | oh I see it |
| 03:19.29 | Beastie | NoInt10 |
| 03:22.12 | Beastie | nothing works grrrrr |
| 03:22.24 | Beastie | guess I'll try again another time :-( |
| 03:23.17 | rainfyre | linux can definitely be a pain when it's not working |
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| 05:27.57 | Beastie | hey rainfyre: it's working...but it's linuxmint |
| 05:28.20 | Beastie | I'm going to take a look at its xorg conf |
| 05:31.27 | rainfyre | Beastie: !!! wow !!! |
| 05:31.37 | rainfyre | Beastie: what did you do? |
| 05:32.40 | rainfyre | Beastie: I've always been tempted to run mintppc, but debian is so well supported, and last time I checked the mintppc dev wasn't really working on it anymore |
| 05:38.48 | Beastie | hey man |
| 05:38.52 | Beastie | sorry I was messing with it |
| 05:39.00 | Beastie | rainfyre: worked right out of the box GREAT |
| 05:39.17 | Beastie | no configuration nothing boom it loads the GUI and good to go. |
| 05:39.53 | Beastie | well I thought they just had 11.0 out? I just did an update and it's using the debian repo |
| 05:40.47 | Beastie | I like the joe text editor (Guess I'm just used to it now) and it's coming from debian/squeeze/main joe powerpc 3.7-2 sooo I dunno? |
| 05:41.12 | rainfyre | Beastie: that's awesome, |
| 05:41.24 | rainfyre | slick |
| 05:41.34 | rainfyre | so what was broken before? did you reinstall? |
| 05:41.58 | Beastie | Yeah I uninstalled debian and installed the mintppc (debian base of course) |
| 05:42.12 | Beastie | I'm going to check out the xorg.conf because I know I could have gotten debian working |
| 05:42.15 | rainfyre | I'm sticking with squeeze/stable on my ppc box. I upgraded to wheezy once for about 2 weeks but was having random connectivity issues and suspend was broken |
| 05:42.26 | rainfyre | oh oh oh ok, I see |
| 05:42.34 | Beastie | But I have tons of computers here and trying to get them up and running. |
| 05:42.42 | rainfyre | yeah, I have a mintppc cd which is actually what I used to install squeeze, same repos on that cd |
| 05:42.50 | rainfyre | Beastie: that's awesome. |
| 05:43.00 | Beastie | Had one running freebsd, another pcbsd, I did have this one running openbsd but it had a lot of compatibility issues. |
| 05:43.06 | rainfyre | Beastie: I'm running debian on everything, even my 2 phones |
| 05:43.21 | rainfyre | yeah, package management is so damn easy with debian |
| 05:43.21 | Beastie | oh yeah from the cd? What version is it? |
| 05:43.31 | Beastie | ha ha on your two phones also? |
| 05:43.31 | rainfyre | I want to say mintppc 9 |
| 05:43.44 | rainfyre | yes, both droids are running debian 6.0.6 :p |
| 05:43.47 | Beastie | I'm sure you've heard of that what is it...rasperry pi? |
| 05:44.02 | rainfyre | yes, I've been cruising their forums the past few days |
| 05:44.17 | Beastie | raspberry pi |
| 05:44.30 | rainfyre | my droid bionic is actually a dual core with a gig of ram. more computing power than my g4 :) |
| 05:44.33 | Beastie | I want one BAD |
| 05:44.40 | Beastie | lol gawd |
| 05:44.42 | rainfyre | they're only $25 :) |
| 05:44.46 | rainfyre | I know! |
| 05:44.59 | Beastie | gig of ram it |
| 05:45.12 | rainfyre | so I can compile packages from source on it faster than I can on my g4 |
| 05:45.14 | Beastie | it's nuts how far computing has come, and it moves quicker and quicker. |
| 05:45.17 | rainfyre | it's crazy |
| 05:45.20 | rainfyre | I know! |
| 05:45.29 | Beastie | OMG compiling source on my other two computers takes FOREVER. |
| 05:46.15 | Beastie | Well hey I'll be around, I'm going to check out the xorg.conf |
| 05:47.55 | rainfyre | cool, have fun, glad that thing is working for you. |
| 05:49.12 | Beastie | Dude, there is no xorg.conf on mintppc? whaat? |
| 05:50.44 | Beastie | Well damn I don't know why, but I don't have all the time to figure it out. |
| 05:51.23 | rainfyre | no clue, I don't have one either |
| 05:51.52 | Beastie | It's pretty much Debian. It works that's what I know, so I'm going with it. it uses apt-get/aptitude for the packages and some things I'm a bit familiar with so I'm good. |
| 05:52.39 | Beastie | Man it's good to have a GUI at times. The unix guys over in freebsd or openbsd they looove just CLI all the way. |
| 05:54.26 | Beastie | I love using the CLI more now so. |
| 05:54.38 | Beastie | Anyway it's about 2am time to crash. Ended on a good note. |
| 05:58.47 | Beastie | damn this linuxmintppc has everything pre installed on it. |
| 05:59.20 | Beastie | Alright bed time talk to you tomorrow sometime. |
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