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| 20:52.49 | Spacey | hi. I want to install Debian on a PowerBook G4. |
| 20:53.23 | Spacey | What does NewWorld boot partition mean? Does it replace the standard /boot partition? |
| 20:54.58 | pahartik | Spacey: It is separate partition, "boot loader" is located there on HFS |
| 20:55.50 | Spacey | pahartik: does it have to be configured in a speciel way with a mount point or something? |
| 20:56.16 | pahartik | Spacey: 4 MiB is plenty for "GRUB" or "yaboot" or both |
| 20:57.06 | Spacey | pahartik: so grub will not be installed on /boot? |
| 20:58.31 | Spacey | pahartik: normally I create a ext2 or ext4 partition for /boot and install grub on it |
| 21:00.13 | pahartik | Spacey: Correct, "OpenFirmware" on "PowerMacintosh" knows HFS, but not "ext2" |
| 21:00.48 | Spacey | pahartik: so now I do just add a 4MiB HFS partition w/o mount point? |
| 21:01.57 | pahartik | Spacey: It usually does not need to be mounted, unless you want to perform special experiments with "boot loader" |
| 21:03.25 | pahartik | Spacey: If I need to "mount" it, I call it "/boot/bootstrap/" for clarity |
| 21:04.52 | Spacey | pahartik: so I will just add that partition w/o specifying a mount point to my standard configuration I would use on a x86 pc |
| 21:06.45 | Spacey | pahartik: damn, there is no HFS |
| 21:08.35 | Spacey | pahartik: how can there be no HFS compatibility on the ppc debian install disk? |
| 21:08.37 | pahartik | Spacey: Usual case with "x86 BIOS" is to leave first 4 MiB of block device free before first partition, so that boot loader can be stored there |
| 21:10.13 | pahartik | Spacey: I have not had such problem with installer |
| 21:13.42 | Spacey | pahartik: ah, it is just called NewWorld Boot Partition |
| 21:14.14 | pahartik | Spacey: That sounds appropriate |
| 21:17.47 | Spacey | pahartik: Partition map has no partition map entry! ERROR!!! [Fix] [Cancel] |
| 21:18.51 | pahartik | Spacey: Probably "fix"... Never seen that message... |
| 21:19.28 | Spacey | pahartik: then follows: ERROR!!! Can't have overlapping partitions. |
| 21:20.00 | Spacey | pahartik: but I just added them in debian installer. they never overlapped before |
| 21:21.04 | Spacey | pahartik: maybe something about the 4 MB NewWorld partition? |
| 21:22.40 | pahartik | Spacey: First 32 blocks are needed by partition map itself... It is usually interpreted as "first partition" by open source tools |
| 21:23.37 | pahartik | Spacey: So "bootstrap" is second partition, "boot" is third, "/" fourth... And so on |
| 21:26.39 | Spacey | pahartik: the error is about partition 2 (ext4), which should be /boot |
| 21:27.04 | Spacey | pahartik: I tried leaving 10 MB space between NewWorld and /boot but it didn't help |
| 21:28.26 | pahartik | Spacey: Is it "Macintosh partition table" to begin with? |
| 21:28.56 | Spacey | pahartik: probably so. I did just remove the ~10 existing partitions |
| 21:31.49 | pahartik | Spacey: I always end up doing things with "parted" within installer, because "partman" of "Debian installer" does not support appropriate concept of "MiB" and "sectors" |
| 21:35.22 | Spacey | pahartik: I placed the NewWorld at the end now abd the same errors reappear relating to partition 1 instead of 2 now |
| 21:38.11 | pahartik | Spacey: Sounds somewhat uncertain, I would just begin by "mklabel mac" in "parted" |
| 21:39.38 | Spacey | pahartik: there is no parted on the installation medium |
| 21:41.58 | pahartik | Spacey: In that case it is fetched from network, when one chooses "parted" from "which installer components do you want to load?" dialog |
| 21:42.41 | Spacey | pahartik: can't I use fdisk? |
| 21:43.28 | pahartik | Spacey: No, if you want to boot "PowerMacintosh" |
| 21:43.49 | Spacey | pahartik: why is that? |
| 21:45.17 | pahartik | Spacey: However, one can do this with "parted" on any architecture, so in "Debian installer" one can just describe mount points and continue |
| 21:47.15 | Spacey | pahartik: okay, applied the new label |
| 21:49.06 | Spacey | pahartik: can you guide me through partitioning? |
| 21:51.37 | pahartik | Spacey: Then "mkpart HFS 64s 4MiB" for "bootstrap"... "mkpart ext2 4MiB 128MiB" for "boot"... "mkpart ext2 128MiB 10GiB" for "root"... For example |
| 21:53.42 | Spacey | pahartik: "Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance." |
| 21:54.28 | pahartik | Spacey: That is to be ignored |
| 21:54.35 | Spacey | pahartik: aye sir |
| 21:56.41 | pahartik | Spacey: Traditional magnetic disk platter geometry is not exposed to operating system nowadays |
| 21:58.29 | pahartik | Spacey: Neither is solid-state storage media native block size, but alignment to 4 MiB is much closer than alignment to random 512 bytes |
| 21:59.36 | Spacey | pahartik: can I use max instead of second GiB for last partition? |
| 22:00.30 | pahartik | Spacey: "last sector" can be described as "-1s" |
| 22:01.41 | Spacey | pahartik: like how? |
| 22:02.05 | Spacey | pahartik: ("Error: Invalid number.") |
| 22:03.29 | Spacey | pahartik: ("mkpart ext4 18GiB -ls") |
| 22:03.53 | pahartik | Spacey: Like "mkpart ext2 10MiB -1s" for "home" |
| 22:04.46 | Spacey | pahartik: is that a one, not L? |
| 22:05.05 | pahartik | Spacey: Not "Lowercase l" but "Digit One" |
| 22:06.34 | Spacey | pahartik: do I have to apply by some command or can I exit parted? |
| 22:07.16 | pahartik | Spacey: Space for "swap" has not been defined during this discussion, but you may want to have it somewhere |
| 22:09.09 | pahartik | Spacey: "parted" writes modifications immediately |
| 22:16.05 | Spacey | pahartik: worked. probably the first partition "Apple" was missing before |
| 22:17.25 | Spacey | pahartik: thanks alot for your help! |
| 22:17.28 | pahartik | Spacey: Very good |
| 22:18.45 | pahartik | Spacey: You are welcome |
| 22:19.23 | Spacey | pahartik: may I ask where you are from? just curious |
| 22:19.39 | pahartik | Spacey: First time running Linux on PowerMacintosh? |
| 22:19.52 | Spacey | pahartik: first time running a Mac at all :D |
| 22:21.04 | Spacey | pahartik: I received it as a gift today |
| 22:21.11 | pahartik | Spacey: My location is "Tampere, Finland, Europe" |
| 22:21.44 | Spacey | pahartik: Cool! Greetings to Finland from Germany :) |
| 22:23.27 | Spacey | pahartik: do you know how fast a PPC is compared to x86 with the same MHz? |
| 22:25.44 | pahartik | Spacey: I do not know, I am just interested in mostly everything other than "x86" that runs open source software... |
| 22:28.14 | pahartik | Spacey: "Raspberry Pi" is interesting, "CuBox" is interesting, "Loongson" as well... |
| 22:28.45 | Spacey | pahartik: I used a RPi to make my father's TV smart :) |
| 22:31.44 | Spacey | pahartik: Are you using those devices for a purpose or only playing with it? |
| 22:34.09 | pahartik | Spacey: One "Raspberry Pi" is my home server at moment for HTTP, SMTP, IMAP, IRC, IPv6 routing and tunnel endpoint... |
| 22:34.58 | Spacey | pahartik: I use a more powerful Intel Atom as my home server |
| 22:36.50 | pahartik | Spacey: One "Raspberry Pi" is my video player over IPv6 TCP unicast stream, running "omxplayer", mostly MPEG-2 video streamed from DVB tuner |
| 22:38.30 | Spacey | pahartik: how does the DVB tuner stream the program? |
| 22:42.32 | pahartik | Spacey: "FireDTV T/CI" on IEEE-1394 bus of my "Apple iMac G4" workstation, "VLC" "media library" has appropriate reference to "channels.conf", so any channel can be double-clicked to start streaming |
| 22:43.51 | Spacey | pahartik: I used VLC on my Raspbarry Pi for recording DVB program streams |
| 22:45.25 | Spacey | pahartik: combined with "atd" it is a powerful disc recorder |
| 22:46.35 | pahartik | Spacey: "vlc --sout file/ts:/tmp/dvbstream" and "netcat-openbsd" (it is capable of IPv6) at both ends to pass stream through FIFO "/tmp/dvbstream"... |
| 22:48.33 | Spacey | pahartik: why are you using IPv6 in your LAN? |
| 22:48.33 | pahartik | Spacey: I did run two "PowerMacintosh 7500" for years with "VDR" and two DVB-C tuners each for storing and streaming ("streamdev-server") content |
| 22:50.12 | pahartik | Spacey: But it became impossible to upgrade after certain version of "libc6" about 10 years ago, so they is not running at moment |
| 22:52.11 | Spacey | pahartik: I run TVHeadend on my home server so RPI could stream TV programme with XBMC (OpenELEC) or I can watch TV through web browser |
| 22:52.16 | pahartik | Spacey: I should try if latest "Debian GNU/Linux" release has got that "libc6" problem fixed |
| 22:55.11 | pahartik | Spacey: I have tried "XBMC" but it felt too clumsy on "Raspberry Pi"... Appropriate port of "VDR" would be very nice |
| 23:01.25 | Spacey | pahartik: I am dog-tired. I should go to bed now. Thanks again for your help and the chat |
| 23:01.28 | Spacey | pahartik: good night |