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| 07:36.40 | peterrooney | installer's grub phase failed without any explanations. i wanted to get the machine up and running, so i went with old yaboot, hfsutils .debs in rescue mode to make the machine bootable. |
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| 18:22.05 | joshinct | FunkyStickman: The iBook was too slow to run any of the educational software Iâd intended. Even the low-resource stuff. While itâs likely that no optimization will be enough to make the system usable, I think installing Lubuntu was a big mistake. Since itâs a distribution, not just a desktop, it added all sorts of software that came with daemons and background processes. Those ate tons of resources and they would run irrespective of which DE I |
| 18:22.05 | joshinct | actually launched into. So, running Openbox sped things up a bit, but it didnât get rid of all the new stuff running in the background. |
| 18:23.30 | FunkyStickman | Yeah, that kind of sucks. So much bloat. I need to get better at learning about that stuff so I can disable it. |
| 18:23.39 | joshinct | Since I really want this to just run one program at a timeâlike, boot it up and launch straight into TuxMath or GComprisâI think I may try just installing Xorg and having the application run standalone in X without any DE. |
| 18:23.43 | FunkyStickman | Even a 4 or 6 year old distro! |
| 18:23.59 | FunkyStickman | Ahh, yeah, that might work. |
| 18:25.52 | FunkyStickman | That might be the best option, really. |
| 18:26.16 | joshinct | Itâs sort of the last-ditch attempt. Install as little as possible and get rid of all the overhead. Plus, if it doesnât work, Iâll be left with a system that still boots to the console rather than launching a heavy DE that locks things up and makes it crashy. If I shelve it, Iâll at least put it away as a working system. Better for my soul. |
| 18:26.41 | FunkyStickman | Do a barebones install, sure. It still runs, can network, can't be that bad, right? :) |
| 18:26.58 | FunkyStickman | though I never did like comand-line wireless configs |
| 18:29.21 | joshinct | Ugh, tell me about it. I did some work at the library the other day and thought Iâd bring the thing and let it run updates while I worked. Ended up spending an embarassing amount of time trying to get it to connect to the libraryâs open wifi network. Especially irksome, since Lubuntu apparently broke things. Iâd been able to connect to the same wifi network on the console the day before. Lubuntu added a bunch of networking tools that bogarted con |
| 18:29.22 | joshinct | of the wireless card. Made dhclient unusable. nmcli is actually a pretty usable command-line tool for wireless configurationâif it worked. |
| 18:30.46 | FunkyStickman | Yeah. I haven't enjoyed that. There needs to be a better cli wireless interface. |
| 18:31.05 | FunkyStickman | If it weren't for that, I'd probably use just a console more often |
| 18:31.28 | FunkyStickman | But you know... Linux is always a learning process |
| 18:36.08 | joshinct | Arch has a pretty nice wifi configuration tool for the console. Starts a menu system that basically mimics a GUI. Saves to a very human-readable config file thatâs easy to copy if you ever want to set something up manually. And they provide a bunch of config examples. So, the interface works well, and thereâs lots of scaffolding in place if you ever do have to do it manually. |
| 18:38.26 | FunkyStickman | is there a way to compile that for a debian build? |
| 18:38.37 | FunkyStickman | i.e. is it a project we can pull code for? |
| 18:40.12 | joshinct | Good question⦠|
| 18:42.34 | joshinct | Itâs `netctlâ and the interactive setup tool it comes with is `wifi-menuâ. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netctl |
| 18:42.58 | FunkyStickman | Bookmarking that, thanks |
| 18:43.06 | joshinct | De nada. |
| 18:43.38 | joshinct | Looks like itâs in a debian repo (https://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/netctl) |
| 18:44.04 | joshinct | Itâs a systemd tool, so good that youâre on 16.04. |
| 18:44.21 | joshinct | Of course, you might want to use it on your everyday machine as well. |
| 18:46.53 | FunkyStickman | I certainly would like to have that tool in my toolbox |
| 18:49.36 | peterrooney | FunkyStickman: i think it was ravenbird who said linux on powerpc was a continuous IQ test |
| 18:49.49 | FunkyStickman | that.... seems accurate. |
| 18:50.11 | joshinct | Iâm a big Arch fan. Itâs what I use day to day, but because IT manages my everday computer Iâve had to install it as a VM the past few years. Been a long time since I had it running on hardware. And Iâm at the stage where I prefer things to just work. The pain of configuring Arch on a physical machine again might be acute enough to push me to Linux Mint or some other Debian-based distro. |
| 18:50.16 | FunkyStickman | So far I've been able to surmount it, but yeah... it's not plug-n-play |
| 18:50.29 | joshinct | peterrooney: Ha! Love it. |
| 18:52.28 | FunkyStickman | I've got some more trimming to do to my G4, but it's already usable as a web browser and music player and gopher server. |
| 18:52.43 | peterrooney | i just got sid "working" from install, everything is fine until i switch away from X to console. Because when I switch back ,the colours are /broken/. |
| 18:52.55 | FunkyStickman | It's not even RAM limited... but the 450 Mhz CPU really holsd it back |
| 18:54.33 | joshinct | At this rate, the G3 might be destined to be a CD player with a login prompt. |