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| 15:55.33 | grim | anyone around that knows what the hell they're doing with libtool? |
| 16:06.43 | kergoth`zzz | somewhat. i've had to patch it to deal with crosscompilation a few times |
| 16:07.10 | grim | well i'm trying to statically link a program to a library that's dynamically linked to glib |
| 16:07.45 | grim | and aparently one of my makefiles is fubar'd.. |
| 16:08.11 | kergoth`zzz | eh |
| 16:09.38 | kergoth`zzz | library A needs library B, which itself needs library C. if B is static, there's no way for B to pull in C automatically, so A needs to link against both B and C. generally libB.la would list its dependency_libs=, and libtool would add them to the link automatically in that case. |
| 16:10.36 | grim | yeah, so i think it's my library's makefile that's screwed.. |
| 16:10.49 | grim | i just added $(GLIB_LIBS) to lib_DEPENDENCIES |
| 16:11.37 | kergoth`zzz | you probably want that in libblah_la_LDADD (or LIBADD, i always mix them up.) |
| 16:11.48 | kergoth`zzz | note: libblah_la, not libblah |
| 16:11.52 | grim | it's in _la_LDADD |
| 16:12.05 | kergoth`zzz | should be fine then. whats the behavior? |
| 16:12.29 | grim | underfined references when linking the test app to the library.. |
| 16:12.35 | grim | here's the libraries makefile.am.. http://svn.reaperworld.com/svn/guifications3/trunk/gflib/gflib/Makefile.am |
| 16:12.57 | kergoth`zzz | undefined references to what? (i.e., whats library C in this case) |
| 16:13.01 | kergoth`zzz | heh |
| 16:13.21 | grim | ../gflib/.libs/libgflib.so: undefined reference to `g_value_set_enum' |
| 16:13.48 | grim | gflib is my library.. which is dynamically linking to glib.. |
| 16:14.47 | kergoth`zzz | ah, okay, and the app is linking against gflib |
| 16:14.53 | kergoth`zzz | the lib linked just fine? |
| 16:14.59 | grim | yeah |
| 16:15.08 | grim | it's when i link tests/testlog.c to the lib |
| 16:15.12 | kergoth`zzz | and you're linking the app with _libtool_? |
| 16:15.18 | kergoth`zzz | heh |
| 16:15.21 | grim | well ld.. |
| 16:15.26 | kergoth`zzz | right. ld doesnt obey .la files |
| 16:15.45 | grim | well then it's autotools fault :) |
| 16:15.46 | grim | suggestions? |
| 16:15.50 | kergoth`zzz | whats your app linking against directly? glib and gflib? or just gflib? |
| 16:16.03 | grim | just gflib.. |
| 16:16.05 | kergoth`zzz | again, when linking static, its not possible to rely on gflib pulling in glib. |
| 16:16.11 | kergoth`zzz | unless you link with libtool |
| 16:16.16 | grim | http://svn.reaperworld.com/svn/guifications3/trunk/gflib/tests/Makefile.am |
| 16:16.20 | kergoth`zzz | in which case it can use the dependency_libs information in the .la |
| 16:16.49 | grim | well $(GLIB_LIBS) is LDADD'd to the app.. |
| 16:17.21 | kergoth`zzz | change that to LIBADD. |
| 16:17.28 | kergoth`zzz | iirc, LDADD is libtool library specific |
| 16:17.55 | marv | it could be that grim had it right orignally and was using libtool for everything, etc |
| 16:18.07 | marv | and that GLIB_LIBS just doesn't have the right libs |
| 16:18.20 | grim | it's -lglib-2.0 |
| 16:18.23 | grim | i checked the makefile.. |
| 16:18.40 | grim | tests/Makefile.am:33: use `testlog_LDADD', not `testlog_LIBADD' |
| 16:18.48 | kergoth`zzz | ah, i got it backwards. LDADD is app and .la, LIBADD is library, non libtool |
| 16:18.51 | marv | is that function in glib-2.0 and not one of the other libraries like gobject? |
| 16:19.02 | kergoth`zzz | so is there a -lglib-2.0 on the ld link line for your app? |
| 16:19.09 | kergoth`zzz | and is it before or after the link of gflib? |
| 16:19.12 | kergoth`zzz | ordering _is_ a factor. |
| 16:19.23 | grim | marv: good call :) |
| 16:19.27 | grim | it's all gobject stuff.. |
| 16:19.32 | kergoth`zzz | aha |
| 16:19.41 | kergoth`zzz | ~lart grim |
| 16:20.00 | grim | yeah yeah.. |
| 16:21.47 | grim | damn and it looks like theres no AM_PATH_GOBJECT.. |
| 16:22.05 | kergoth`zzz | heh. |
| 16:22.13 | kergoth`zzz | PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GOBJECT, gobject-2.0) |
| 16:22.16 | kergoth`zzz | .. |
| 16:22.22 | kergoth`zzz | pkg-config is our friend |
| 16:22.28 | grim | yeah i know.. was hoping for a macro :) |
| 16:22.34 | kergoth`zzz | that is a macro |
| 16:22.37 | kergoth`zzz | :P |
| 16:23.19 | grim | i meant one like AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0 :P |
| 17:09.44 | ChipX86 | ~mornings |
| 17:09.45 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 17:11.38 | grim | morning ChipX86, ignore my ping on aim :) |
| 17:11.48 | ChipX86 | I'm not on aim |
| 17:11.56 | grim | well you were... |
| 17:12.15 | ChipX86 | computer go boom |
| 17:12.19 | grim | ah |
| 17:12.26 | ChipX86 | brb |
| 17:15.49 | ChipX86 | back |
| 17:15.50 | ChipX86 | neat |
| 17:16.01 | ChipX86 | my USB key is now squeeky clean and still works |
| 17:16.12 | ChipX86 | nice to know it can go through the washer and drier |
| 17:16.39 | grim | lol |
| 17:17.10 | ChipX86 | and hey, the girls put blackmail photos of me on it |
| 17:17.31 | grim | just be careful when plugging it in.. especially under windows or you might see this.. www.reaperworld.com/temp/i_love_windows.jpg |
| 17:17.41 | grim | stupid friend didn't have his front usb ports wired correctly.. |
| 17:17.50 | ChipX86 | ouch |
| 17:18.11 | grim | heh i took it back to bestbuy and said it just stopped working, and they gave me a new one :) |
| 17:18.16 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 17:18.29 | ChipX86 | welp, off to work |
| 17:18.31 | ChipX86 | bbs |
| 17:18.37 | grim | later |
| 17:45.16 | CosmicPenguin | http://estel.wpia.uw.edu.pl/~vrok/aptsh/ |
| 17:45.21 | CosmicPenguin | Something like that would be fun for ipkg |
| 18:01.14 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: cute |
| 18:02.48 | mathrick | TD[gone]: ping? |
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| 18:14.03 | treke- | kergoth: boy my day just gets better and better. Apparantly you dont even have to go through the effort of guessing a password to exploit the ability to make free phone calls on this voice mail system |
| 18:17.17 | kergoth | treke-: haha, oh man, that sucks |
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| 18:22.23 | treke- | yeah |
| 18:23.48 | treke- | I can't actually figure out why the fuck that feature would be coded into the software |
| 18:23.52 | treke- | let alone be enabed |
| 18:24.02 | kergoth | developer perversity? |
| 18:24.37 | kergoth | @deepthought |
| 18:24.37 | kbot | kergoth: I used to think Mom's biscuits were special, because she said she put a secret ingredient in them. Years later I asked her what the secret ingredient was, and she said it was "love." Right then I felt like the biggest sucker in the world. |
| 18:26.31 | treke- | I can see why you might want to place the call once you log in |
| 18:26.36 | treke- | that's at least somewhat logical |
| 18:26.49 | treke- | but not before you log in by hitting * a bunch of times to drop to a prompt |
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| 20:37.42 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:37.44 | kergoth | @fortune |
| 20:37.46 | kbot | kergoth: I'm not a lawyer. I don't even play one on TV. - Linus Torvalds on the gcc mailing list |
| 20:38.39 | TD | heh |
| 20:42.16 | ChipX86 | we need to liven the place up. Maybe have a BBQ |
| 20:42.29 | CosmicPenguin | And beer |
| 20:42.34 | ChipX86 | and popcorn |
| 20:42.59 | kergoth | and women? |
| 20:43.14 | CosmicPenguin | and beer |
| 20:43.25 | pb_ | kergoth: good idea. you can be in charge of bringing the women. |
| 20:43.33 | ChipX86 | I should be in charge of that |
| 20:43.47 | kergoth | yeah, let chip do it, he's the one with a harem |
| 20:43.49 | ChipX86 | but I'll just keep them for myself |
| 20:43.51 | kergoth | aw |
| 20:43.58 | ChipX86 | I like'em too much |
| 20:44.04 | pb_ | drat |
| 20:44.26 | ChipX86 | and beer won't bring them, but a flu plushy would |
| 20:46.04 | numist | you can get the flu as a plush toy? |
| 20:46.37 | CosmicPenguin | Among others |
| 20:46.41 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/6708/ |
| 20:46.49 | numist | 0_o |
| 20:47.25 | CosmicPenguin | Beer yeast - that fits in with our theme |
| 20:48.14 | ChipX86 | I have an action shot on there |
| 20:48.25 | ChipX86 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/6708/action/2107371/ |
| 20:48.35 | ChipX86 | I cut out myself from that pic. She was sitting on my lap |
| 20:49.04 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:49.31 | TD | "macs are impervious to microbes" ? |
| 20:49.47 | ChipX86 | the flu rocks. Girls love it |
| 20:50.01 | ChipX86 | http://chipx86.com/gallery/People/Harem/Microbes |
| 20:50.03 | TD | "annabel loves ebola" |
| 20:50.18 | TD | yes, i've seen ;) |
| 20:50.25 | TD | so what was this neat idea you had? |
| 20:50.58 | ChipX86 | I will tell you, but first, we must don the Cone of Silence |
| 20:51.16 | TD | *schzoom* |
| 20:51.21 | kergoth | yay. i havent seen get smart in far far too long |
| 20:51.40 | ChipX86 | it doesn't? It used to |
| 20:51.45 | CosmicPenguin | they play everything else -I swear i saw the Donna Reed show the other day |
| 20:52.00 | CosmicPenguin | if they do, I'll Tivo it |
| 20:58.54 | mathrick | TD: pingz |
| 20:59.13 | TD | pongz |
| 20:59.38 | mathrick | TD: wine's config-via-registry sucks, y'know that? :> |
| 20:59.46 | TD | huh? |
| 20:59.49 | TD | there is a config file dude ... |
| 21:00.06 | mathrick | which is in fact registry |
| 21:00.19 | mathrick | and still, I can't find where to change winver to w2k |
| 21:00.32 | mathrick | or anything that won't trash my japanese-based apps |
| 21:00.52 | mathrick | right now I get lovely strings of ????? |
| 21:01.09 | mathrick | oh |
| 21:01.15 | mathrick | seen that? http://browser.netscape.com/nsb/ |
| 21:05.30 | TD | config file != registry, not yet anyway |
| 21:05.33 | TD | ~/.wine/config, like always |
| 21:05.34 | mathrick | TD: so, whare is the Blessed Magic Knob of Correct Settings +4 (casts permanent Unicode Spell on wearer) ? |
| 21:05.44 | TD | see /topic in #winehq for the knowledge base |
| 21:05.52 | mathrick | TD: oh, but config is supposed to be in registry format now, no? |
| 21:05.52 | TD | unicode: you probably need fonts? not sure .... |
| 21:06.00 | mathrick | TD: I have lits |
| 21:06.04 | mathrick | lots even |
| 21:06.14 | TD | config file always resembled ini files. it's not an actual .reg file though |
| 21:07.42 | marv | I remember when it was more like /etc/wineconfig or someothing |
| 21:07.45 | mathrick | TD: strange, when I have something in old format in config, it complains I should migrate to registry |
| 21:07.54 | mathrick | marv: that's local vs. systemwide |
| 21:08.11 | TD | mathrick: that's for like one setting |
| 21:08.23 | TD | and yes we're heading towards deprecating the config file |
| 21:08.52 | mathrick | TD: and today, it wasn't staring wirh "~/.wine/config is not valid registry format" |
| 21:09.18 | TD | you have to put "WINE REGISTRY Version 2" at the top |
| 21:09.20 | TD | see the KB |
| 21:11.26 | mathrick | TD: see the netscape page I pasted earlier :) |
| 21:11.40 | TD | yeah i saw it |
| 21:11.40 | mathrick | it's comedy gold |
| 21:11.42 | TD | sick people |
| 21:11.48 | mathrick | marketoids |
| 21:11.53 | mathrick | not people |
| 21:14.10 | TD | yeah |
| 21:17.20 | mathrick | TD: but still, sick or not, I laughed hard |
| 21:17.50 | mathrick | "Netscape Browser 8 offers the best of both worlds by combining the intuition of Firefox with the user-friendly capabilities of Internet Explorer." |
| 21:17.58 | TD | hahaha |
| 21:18.08 | mathrick | With more security options than any other browser, Netscape's Site Controls allow the user to choose how much they trust a site. |
| 21:18.17 | mathrick | that's totally rock |
| 21:18.25 | mathrick | Netscape continuously updates the browser with a list of trusted and suspected sites, so it will automatically apply your security settings to make you safer and more compatible. |
| 21:18.41 | mathrick | s/more/made &/ |
| 21:18.55 | mathrick | "Headlines continuously scroll across the top of your screen to give you a media-rich experience." |
| 21:21.53 | numist | nice topic, TD |
| 21:22.11 | mathrick | why mike hates java is the question though |
| 21:22.27 | TD | do you really need to ask? |
| 21:22.34 | numist | I dislike java, but I dont hate it... |
| 21:23.03 | TD | bah |
| 21:23.06 | TD | getting nowhere with this homework |
| 21:23.13 | TD | solve the travelling salesman problem, indeed |
| 21:23.46 | mathrick | TD: the travelling patron problem? ;) |
| 21:24.01 | TD | hehe |
| 21:29.17 | kergoth | malloc() just segfaulted on me |
| 21:29.19 | kergoth | today is not my day |
| 21:29.39 | TD | yay heap corruption |
| 21:29.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:31.41 | numist | you segfaulted malloc? nice job |
| 21:31.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:31.58 | TD | it's not hard to segfault or infinitely-loop malloc |
| 21:32.01 | marv | time for MALLOC_CHECK_=2 |
| 21:32.02 | kergoth | ooh, and look, it doesnt segfault under valgrind |
| 21:32.04 | pb_ | making malloc segfault isn't that hard sadly |
| 21:32.07 | numist | nope, Ive done it too, but its always fun to see |
| 21:32.12 | kergoth | fun indeed |
| 21:32.20 | pb_ | kergoth: electric fence |
| 21:34.48 | mathrick | kergoth: set strict address checking, there was some knob for that |
| 21:34.51 | mathrick | or use efence |
| 21:37.00 | kergoth | i havent coded in userspace in so long i've forgotten how |
| 21:37.08 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: If you have a makefile that does CFLAGS= and I change that to override CFLAGS +=, do I need to override every other place where something gets appended to CFLAGS? |
| 21:37.32 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: assumign you want that appended value to survive a user override of CFLAGS, yep. |
| 21:38.10 | CosmicPenguin | damn |
| 21:38.19 | kergoth | and override tends to be ugly |
| 21:38.20 | CosmicPenguin | mkay - plan B |
| 21:38.27 | kergoth | the best fix is splitting the flags vars |
| 21:38.31 | kergoth | but that tends to be more intrusive |
| 21:38.45 | kergoth | since you need to track down their compile rules |
| 21:38.53 | kergoth | which may be implicit, and may be the default gmake rules |
| 21:38.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:39.15 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
| 21:40.56 | pb_ | kergoth: just add -lefence to your final link and you should be all set |
| 21:42.04 | kergoth | pb_: i did that, but what am i looking for now? :) |
| 21:42.32 | pb_ | kergoth: well, if you're in luck, your program should segfault when it accesses an out of bounds address |
| 21:42.32 | kergoth | it's still segfaulting in malloc(). |
| 21:42.44 | pb_ | oh, still crashing inside malloc? that's unfortunate |
| 21:42.47 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:42.54 | kergoth | yeah, what a great day |
| 21:43.01 | kergoth | ~friday |
| 21:43.02 | purl | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 21:43.11 | numist | agreed |
| 21:43.24 | numist | raining here, though, so Im happy |
| 21:44.45 | kergoth | erm, actually, now its showing it in getenv() in my libc. main->libefence malloc()->pthread_mutex_init()->?? in efence->?? in efence->getenv() |
| 21:44.49 | kergoth | odd. |
| 21:44.54 | numist | 0_o |
| 21:45.05 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:45.12 | numist | nice one |
| 21:45.31 | kergoth | methinks this box's libc may be hokey |
| 21:49.16 | numist | youll be waiting a while... |
| 21:49.38 | kergoth | 414 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:49.40 | kergoth | :\ |
| 21:50.05 | numist | haha |
| 21:50.09 | numist | hope your not in a hurry |
| 21:50.31 | kergoth | heh. |
| 21:50.36 | numist | haha |
| 21:50.44 | numist | run dist upgrade in teh background later :P |
| 21:50.53 | numist | oops, my first unintentional teh ever! |
| 21:53.14 | CosmicPenguin | wow - ever? |
| 21:53.27 | numist | yeah, Im usually extremely anal about spelling and such |
| 21:53.33 | numist | even though it _is_ IRC... |
| 21:53.40 | numist | I do it to make fun of people |
| 21:53.57 | CosmicPenguin | I on the other hand, am not - and I would write t-e-h constantly if xchat wasn't looking out for me |
| 21:54.17 | numist | yes, I actually spent way too much time trying to figure out how to turn that little feature off |
| 21:54.27 | numist | never occurred to me to look for a find/replace control panel |
| 21:54.39 | CosmicPenguin | I *am* anal about people saying 'u' and 'ur' and other IM/EFnet bullshit |
| 21:54.44 | numist | oh lord yes |
| 21:55.00 | numist | even in IMs where you are the only person to be bothered... |
| 21:55.13 | numist | omg u guyz r teh leet!!eleven!11! |
| 21:55.34 | numist | being anal about typing allows me to get away with crap like that once in a while though |
| 21:56.02 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not really even against leet speak |
| 21:56.19 | CosmicPenguin | those who can and do write it well have my admiration, basically because I can't tell what the hell is going on |
| 21:56.36 | numist | Im glad that Im only anal about typing, if I was more like my mother Id be in loads of trouble with being anal. |
| 21:56.54 | CosmicPenguin | but 'u'? 'yo' is only two more keys, for the love of crumcake |
| 21:57.04 | numist | sometimes leetspeak is kinda nifty, but most of the time it is very lame, since it takes inspiration to do it in an admirable way |
| 21:57.18 | numist | nice, love of crumbcake... I like that |
| 21:57.23 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: That path only leads to wierd shit that Freud would have skipped |
| 21:57.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57.37 | CosmicPenguin | numist: stolen from the Simpsons, like 80% of everything I say |
| 21:57.37 | numist | oh lord nor Freud |
| 21:57.46 | numist | Ill keep that in mind |
| 21:58.01 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:58.11 | pb_ | clearly you aren't too anal about apostrophes |
| 21:58.37 | numist | no, actually Im very e.e. cummings about things like capitalization (mostly) and punctuation |
| 21:58.44 | numist | (except comma, period, and ellipses) |
| 22:09.14 | numist | yay, I killed the lounge |
| 22:13.04 | numist | woo |
| 22:13.20 | numist | second interview with google on tues -glee- |
| 22:14.01 | marv | hmm |