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| 01:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>This "users are too stupid" argument is nonsense made up by big corporate software to justify continuous revenue streams based on features that get in our way. To see a smoking gun, go to This interview with Red Hat CTO, Brian Stevens, search the first occurrence of the word complexity, and read that paragraph and the one below it. That's the explanation for the explosive complexification of some realms of Linux in the past two decades. |
| 01:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | applauds |
| 01:51.14 | ksx4system | experiments with encrypted backups |
| 01:52.46 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer05: part of the problem is that newcomers (1990s generation) are simply lazy |
| 01:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://troubleshooters.com/linux/avoid_complexity.htm |
| 01:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 01:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I like the >>If you want another cause, and very likely the root cause, look in the mirror, because you're part of it. When Ubuntu and Debian gave you garbage, you kept using it.<< part |
| 01:54.03 | ksx4system | huehuehue |
| 01:54.55 | ksx4system | I've moved to Devuan immediately after I've heard about it <3 |
| 01:56.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've a tad harder time - RPM (Suse) user since over 15 years |
| 01:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a system that got updated (never installed anew) since equally long |
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| 01:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not entirely true. Occasionally I had to "manually clone" shit |
| 01:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc 4 times |
| 02:00.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I started to love the debian way when I got in touch with openmoko devices |
| 02:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then N900 |
| 02:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | now my "environment" is heterogeneous |
| 02:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt systems on embedded, RPM systems on x86 irons |
| 02:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinking about it, it occurs to me we need a "genealogy" of distros, and locate devuan in there |
| 02:04.44 | ksx4system | I've used openSUSE too, my first "full-time" GNU/Linux distro after I've left Apple ecosystem |
| 02:05.00 | ksx4system | (which was quite shortly after they've killed PowerPC architecture) |
| 02:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | literally describing family relationship properties of the distro |
| 02:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would we descript devuan in such genealogy? Debians sane twin, the one without cancer? |
| 02:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather the younger smarter brother? |
| 02:07.09 | ksx4system | > the one without cancer |
| 02:07.12 | ksx4system | well said |
| 02:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/descript/describe/ |
| 02:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I like the twin analogy a lot. Even as far as playing with terms like "organ transplantations" etc |
| 02:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Borg comes to mind, duuno why ;-P |
| 02:12.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | "resistance is futile!" Krhrhrhr - NO ISNT |
| 02:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok s/cancer/Borg/ |
| 02:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | now hanf that to the artists and PR department :-) |
| 02:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hand* |
| 02:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a picture even my granny can understand |
| 02:16.49 | chillfan | be assimilated :p |
| 02:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe even a few of the lazy 1990 generation too, at least when they ever watched startrek |
| 02:17.18 | chillfan | into whatever camp you prefer heh |
| 02:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | we already had the tribute to Lennard Nimoy and "where no toy has gone before", the Borg analogy is just the natural next step of same theme |
| 02:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Leonard, sorry |
| 02:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | figures Jean-Luc Picard (as a cloned double standin) fighting his own Borg infested twin |
| 02:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and sure, once you replaced the heart by a sophisticated machine, the logical perforce next step is to replace the blood by something that works better with such pump |
| 02:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | then the bone marrow |
| 02:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and so on |
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| 02:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and some sad day some virus will enter into hive consciousness and make all Borg err SystemD go into a looong sleep or simply selfdestruct. That day I don't want to be part of that collective |
| 02:30.29 | chillfan | i am so (very nearly) over the whole systemd thing :p |
| 02:30.58 | chillfan | about an RC and 1.0's worth away, so mostly |
| 02:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I notice myself developing a nasty habit of instantly blaming systemd when something systemlevel fails to work as supposed |
| 02:32.54 | chillfan | not pulse, avahi, gnome, udev, etc? |
| 02:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse: more often than not, I'm right ;-) |
| 02:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I can smell pulse, avahi, even g* fuckup |
| 02:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | udev yes, but... that's systemd no? ;-) |
| 02:34.05 | chillfan | it's getting there heh |
| 02:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I look into syslog: spammed by useless systemd logs |
| 02:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's always there, _always_ |
| 02:34.43 | chillfan | yeah i think they are renaming it anticipating some kind of systemd to just take over everything :p |
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| 02:34.57 | chillfan | so our logs get spammed |
| 02:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/80556795 honestly, bring me a bucket, HURRY! |
| 02:37.19 | chillfan | ah okay a fully d'D system then |
| 02:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | once upon a time there were whole weeks with nothing bit "syslog: *MARK*" in syslog |
| 02:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/bit/but/ |
| 02:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | once every hour iirc |
| 02:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the keepalive for sysop's mind |
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| 02:59.06 | chillfan | alright later on :) |
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| 04:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's 'maintaining' the torrent file? |
| 04:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Tracker[0:0]: Connecting to udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80<< this one and the other non_dyne tracker are dead and useless it seems |
| 04:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Tracker[0:0]: Connecting to udp://open.demonii.com:1337<< |
| 04:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe fix https://devuan.org/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta.torrent |
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| 04:50.20 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer05: that explains why there's not much traffic :/ |
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| 04:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly |
| 04:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've found another tracker that sounded like it's suited to 'host'(?) devuan torrents among the other linux distros' torrents it takes care about. Maybe worth giving it a try, by somebody who groks torrents and how they work |
| 04:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://linuxtracker.org/ |
| 04:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | is a *total* noob to bittorrent at large, so... |
| 05:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>we are free to share code and we code to share freedom<< niiiiice |
| 05:13.49 | Leander256 | in theory, trackers aren't necessary as long as people manage to connect to other peers through the DHT |
| 05:15.23 | Leander256 | that's how magnets work, IIRC |
| 05:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea |
| 05:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I think it couldn't hurt when devuan shows up on http://linuxtracker.org/ , no? |
| 05:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | since for exmple noobs like me would find it there |
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| 05:45.27 | Leander256 | I think that'd be good, but did you consider making a torrent for each iso/image rather than a bulk package? |
| 05:46.15 | Leander256 | I know it's easy to select just one or two files to download, but maybe some people still expect separate torrents |
| 06:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* didn't, since... torrent total noob here |
| 06:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd seed the files separately if only I even knew how to initially seed torrents |
| 06:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | absolute total noob here |
| 06:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | same applies for http://linuxtracker.org/ - if I knew how to do it, I had already done |
| 06:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | what makes matters worse: recently a lot of pages like http://linuxtracker.org/ stopped rendering correctly in konqueror |
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| 06:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan >>The distribution you requested could not be found in our database. However, we did find potential matches on our waiting list. You can locate additional distributions through our search page.<< |
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| 06:21.52 | parazyd | the point of having a torrent file is sticking all the files in one torrent to avoid maintenance and serving fifty different torrents |
| 06:22.04 | parazyd | it's easy to select files from it |
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| 06:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 06:36.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | still, what about those dead trackers? |
| 06:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | if nothing else, they at least delay startup |
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| 06:42.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly muses over >> ^B Set download to perform initial seeding. Only use when you are the first and only seeder so far for the download.<< from rtorrent's manpage |
| 06:44.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | a _tad_ more semantic explanation would help a lot |
| 06:44.40 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer05: that's an epic fail by distro watch... |
| 06:44.46 | ksx4system | g'night folks |
| 06:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 ksx4system |
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| 08:50.09 | CrossWire | o/ |
| 08:52.17 | TXX | \o |
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| 08:56.50 | CrossWire | tracker down? |
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| 08:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | which one? |
| 08:58.37 | CrossWire | so far unable to connect to any of them, at least for the devuan torrent their not replying |
| 08:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | udp://tracker.dyne.org:6969 Id: Counters: 0f / 6s (0) on S/L/D: 125/29/0 (40/82) |
| 08:58.56 | CrossWire | thru DHT i already have the image in, trying to seed it |
| 08:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | WFM, the other two are - and always were- dead for me |
| 08:59.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, I see only 2 or 3 peers now |
| 08:59.45 | CrossWire | got 3x 1gbit to help seed with |
| 08:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5 at times |
| 09:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wish my 1 tmes 1Gbit uplink would get put to good purpose |
| 09:04.13 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: perhaps your provider is blocking those non-dyne trackers |
| 09:04.27 | parazyd | all three in the default torrent are working well |
| 09:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 09:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | my hoster you meant? |
| 09:04.41 | parazyd | yes |
| 09:05.05 | CrossWire | parazyd: hardly the case for me, i am the hoster ;) |
| 09:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see them neither on Hetzner's network nor via my DSL by M-Net |
| 09:05.40 | parazyd | CrossWire, DocScrutinizer05: which country? |
| 09:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Germany |
| 09:05.52 | parazyd | there you go |
| 09:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | traceroute http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 09:06.12 | parazyd | your anti-piracy laws suck, sorry |
| 09:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | err what? |
| 09:06.28 | parazyd | germany blocks torrenting |
| 09:06.35 | parazyd | and probably those two trackers |
| 09:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you say Hetzner is blocking access to IPs? |
| 09:06.49 | parazyd | your country is |
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| 09:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, no |
| 09:07.04 | TXX | DocScrutinizer05: well can you ping it ? |
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| 09:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | *Germany* doesn't do anything in internet |
| 09:07.37 | parazyd | i've heard differently |
| 09:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | some providers may |
| 09:07.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but afaik Germany has no great chinese firewall so far |
| 09:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/17555631 |
| 09:09.52 | shevy | the Merkelwall! |
| 09:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 09:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | for Merkel that's Terra Incognita |
| 09:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (her own words) |
| 09:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/05/02/plasma-desktopOl2219.png |
| 09:11.04 | TXX | DocScrutinizer05: maybe it's the other way? they are blacklisting you/your range |
| 09:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly, dunno |
| 09:11.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what trackers do |
| 09:11.35 | TXX | i doubt it though :s |
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| 09:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | however, see recent mail on dng@lists.dyne.org |
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| 09:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird stuff seems to happen in internet - though here Taiwan |
| 09:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a matter of fact those two trackers never yielded any response (aka 'numbers for peers') neither at my home ktorrent via M-Net ADSL not on the server http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 09:23.45 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: well, your client will choose one tracker |
| 09:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((germany blocks torrenting)) If Hetzner would block certain traffic from a host located at their datacenter, I'd immediately stop paying them a cent for their service |
| 09:23.57 | parazyd | if it works, why do you want to use those other two? |
| 09:24.03 | Defiant | (or no tracker at all) |
| 09:24.44 | parazyd | yes, just do dht |
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| 09:25.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: I just watch $torrentclient waiting "ages" for a response from either of those supposedly dead trackers before it finally falls back to dyne.org which alas is 2nd in the row of trackers in the .torrent file, aiui |
| 09:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Defiant: how do you think my torrent could seed without connecting to a tracker? |
| 09:26.32 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: dht |
| 09:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 09:26.51 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: also your trackers are sorted alphabetically it seem |
| 09:27.05 | parazyd | you can also simply use the magnet link where there is only one tracker |
| 09:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui dht means peer2peer info sharing about other peers. where from I get the first peer? |
| 09:27.23 | parazyd | you can also remove the trackers from rtorrent |
| 09:27.55 | parazyd | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table |
| 09:27.57 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer05: you need a bootstrap node |
| 09:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | lissen fellas, I don't care about all that stuff, I just want to put that torent on the server to proper use as seeder |
| 09:28.17 | Defiant | no more need for slow trackers |
| 09:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on *seeder* |
| 09:29.11 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: just use the magnet then |
| 09:29.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't know how to do that |
| 09:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | torrent noob here |
| 09:30.29 | Leander256 | you mentionned you're using rtorrent, right? |
| 09:30.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 09:30.46 | Leander256 | in that case you just put the magnet instead of the URL |
| 09:30.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 09:31.03 | parazyd | https://www.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=how+do+i+use+magnet+link+in+INSERTCLIENTHERE |
| 09:31.05 | Defiant | but for rtorrent you need a session |
| 09:31.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 09:32.21 | parazyd | https://github.com/danfolkes/Magnet2Torrent |
| 09:32.35 | parazyd | !magnet |
| 09:32.35 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, magnet is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9b0fa597ab8bdd89a57434876947dbe378a79aad&dn=devuan_jessie_beta&tr=udp://tracker.dyne.org:6969 |
| 09:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind. I got better things to do. sorry for trying to help host the files |
| 09:33.45 | Leander256 | I configured my rtorrent ages ago so I don't remember what I changed, but I thought that the session and DHT were put by default? |
| 09:34.02 | Defiant | session is no default on mine |
| 09:34.12 | Defiant | also dht port must be set in config |
| 09:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Leander256: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/05/02/plasma-desktopOl2219.png |
| 09:34.51 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: i still odn't understand what's the big deal |
| 09:35.00 | parazyd | it falls back to the dyne tracker and it works fine |
| 09:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing, nevermind |
| 09:35.25 | Leander256 | DocScrutinizer05 better check your .rtorrent.rc |
| 09:35.38 | Leander256 | it's really just 3 lines to put there |
| 09:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | there was none, to start with |
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| 09:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I created one to make session management persistent across rtorrent restarts |
| 09:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, I'n not going to debug that shit now, I just informed you about what I notice: 2 of 3 trackers seem dead, I see upload/seeeding rates of 15kB/s average on a server with a 1Gb/s uplink, with an occasional 30s spike to 30MB/s for just one client |
| 09:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also still don't see the !mirror proper URL getting through on dyne.org's DNS |
| 09:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither is the mirror listed on https://devuan.org |
| 09:41.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I wonder what for I'm doing all this |
| 09:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | seeding a ridiculous 20GB during last dunno 48(?)h |
| 09:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl downloads |
| 09:43.26 | Leander256 | I think it's to be expected at the beginning when you have a lot of seeders |
| 09:43.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's for 11:44am up 38 days 10:28 |
| 09:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | while I see >> (RIGHT NOW WE ARE EXPERIENCING VERY HEAVY LOAD, USE TORRENT) Please prefer the use of the torrent release to download<< |
| 09:46.59 | CrossWire | well if they rather want a extra mirror, we might be able to help there as well |
| 09:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and >>Mirrors:<< doesn't list http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 09:47.08 | CrossWire | (we are the NL ubuntu mirror as well) |
| 09:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for sounding grumpy but I feel I'm wasting my time |
| 09:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | !mirrors |
| 09:55.32 | infobot | well, mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-1.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
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| 10:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | s§ 30MB/s § 3MB/s § |
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| 10:19.41 | supertramp | hm |
| 10:19.55 | supertramp | I like systemd |
| 10:20.00 | supertramp | ... |
| 10:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 10:20.18 | Wizzup | supertramp: then pick one of the other distros that does systemd |
| 10:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | likes systemd too |
| 10:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | made me friends with a lot of new nice people |
| 10:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | all of which prefer to have no systemd on their PC or server. So how could you possibly don't like systemd? |
| 10:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm already looking forward to the good feeling when I get rid of that thing on my workstation too :-) |
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| 10:47.32 | LongHairedHacker | I'll need a bunch of rasbpis with a debianish system in the next weeks. Is there a devuan for rasbpis or do I have to improvise my own ? |
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| 10:50.23 | LongHairedHacker | Just found https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150805.163347.dcffacec.en.html I'll give that a go |
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| 10:51.42 | Leander256 | there's a file called devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz I suppose that's what you're actually looking for? |
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| 11:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | LongHairedHacker: I seem to recall rasbpi2 been explicitly listed on files |
| 11:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, Leander256 was faster |
| 11:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net/files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz |
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| 11:19.02 | nohitall | does devuan need additional mirror in Germany? can't find a mirror list |
| 11:21.59 | parazyd | nohitall: mirrors are always more than welcome |
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| 11:33.41 | nohitall | parazyd: is there a mirror list somewher ealready? |
| 11:34.12 | parazyd | do you want to mirror the repositories or the ISO/images ? |
| 11:34.36 | nohitall | repo |
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| 11:35.49 | Gottox | Hi! Is there any work on software requiring systemd atm? |
| 11:35.59 | Gottox | Gnome for example |
| 11:43.46 | gnu_srs | looking at the comments to the beta release, most people lock themselves into the init system if devuan:sysvinit and what is excluded:systemd. |
| 11:44.11 | gnu_srs | For the init system maybe openrc should be made the default, to at least avoid that lock-in of peoples minds :D |
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| 11:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | !mirrors |
| 11:59.27 | infobot | [mirrors] https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-1.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 11:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh repos |
| 12:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | gnu_srs: aiui that's already on the roadmap |
| 12:20.07 | LongHairedHacker | DocScrutinizer05, Leander256: Thanks I didn't have any coffee today. Must have overlooked those. |
| 12:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | np, yw |
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| 12:22.04 | penelopa | Hi, all! |
| 12:32.27 | comradekingu | penelopa, heia |
| 12:44.14 | penelopa | google has been supporting libpepflashplayer.so for i386 and chrome browser for i386. Therefore, this plugin repository devuan not installed . If someone has a link to the latest version of these programs , otpishite , please , it is desirable with the possibility of checking the hash sum . I have a link to one of the latest versions of libpepflashplayer.so for i386. What do you think , does it make sense to start a separate project on git.devuan.org for th |
| 12:44.41 | penelopa | otpishite = answer |
| 12:45.14 | penelopa | ddlya = for |
| 12:45.42 | penelopa | Sorry, i poor English. |
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| 12:46.54 | penelopa | google has been supporting libpepflashplayer.so for i386 and chrome browser for i386. Therefore, this plugin repository devuan not installed . If someone has a link to the latest version of these programs , please answer , preferably with the ability to check the hash sum . I have a link to one of the latest versions of libpepflashplayer.so for i386. What do you think , does it make sense to start a separate project on git.devuan.org for this plug-in for br |
| 12:51.51 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, are you here? |
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| 13:06.50 | *** topic/#devuan is Devuan development channel https://devuan.org - TODO: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/home, https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues, https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/todo/issues - generic discussion->#debianfork | Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ | Devuan News Issue 060: http://ur1.ca/odzmq |
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| 13:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | penelopa: your posts get truncated |
| 13:15.26 | penelopa | google has been supporting libpepflashplayer.so for i386 and chrome browser for i386. Therefore, this plugin repository devuan not installed. |
| 13:15.36 | penelopa | If someone has a link to the latest version of these programs , please answer , preferably with the ability to check the hash sum . |
| 13:15.46 | penelopa | I have a link to one of the latest versions of libpepflashplayer.so for i386. |
| 13:15.57 | penelopa | What do you think , does it make sense to start a separate project on git.devuan.org for this plug-in for browser chromium for i386 platforms. |
| 13:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 13:16.34 | penelopa | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks you! |
| 13:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 13:18.00 | fsmithred | doesn't deb-multimedia have a new enough version of libflashplayer? |
| 13:19.29 | penelopa | fsmithred: libflashplayer not work in chromium browser. |
| 13:20.07 | penelopa | fsmithred: Only libpepflashplayer work. |
| 13:21.04 | fsmithred | oh, I see. Sorry, I don't use chromium or chrome. |
| 13:24.41 | Vall | Morning |
| 13:24.51 | Vall | Installing Devuan 1.0.0Beta from the DVD here |
| 13:25.26 | Vall | It seems to be going to the network for everything... shoudn't it be recovering it from the DVD? |
| 13:26.15 | fsmithred | Vall, I ran into the same thing. |
| 13:26.33 | fsmithred | already mentioned it to Centurion_Dan |
| 13:26.40 | Vall | fsmithred: glad to hear it, at least it's not personal against me ;-) |
| 13:26.48 | fsmithred | lol |
| 13:26.58 | penelopa | Vall: Yes this problem without network connection. |
| 13:27.12 | Vall | OK, after all, betas will be betas... |
| 13:27.13 | penelopa | Vall: Use netinstall iso. |
| 13:27.28 | penelopa | Vall: netinstall is work. |
| 13:27.29 | fsmithred | penelopa, that won't make a difference |
| 13:27.47 | Vall | penelopa: why? to download a smaller iso? the DVD seems to be working from the network as good as a netinstall |
| 13:27.49 | penelopa | fsmithred: not know. |
| 13:27.57 | Vall | (not finished yet) |
| 13:28.18 | penelopa | Vall: yes, download smaller iso and use and install. |
| 13:28.33 | fsmithred | Vall, if it fails to download some packages, just repeat that section |
| 13:29.07 | Vall | as I've already downloaded the DVD, any issues to use it instead of aborting install, downloading netinstall and redoing it all? |
| 13:29.12 | fsmithred | I had to 'install base system' three or four times before it brought me to the tasksel window, and then I had to repeat that a few times. |
| 13:29.43 | fsmithred | No, they all seem to be netinstall isos. |
| 13:29.46 | Vall | (BTW, the "select and install software" progress bar is almost at 100%, and I see no errors so far |
| 13:29.50 | penelopa | fsmithred: big iso use not accessible security updates. Access deniad in repositories. |
| 13:29.57 | Vall | wow, a 4.3GB netinstall ;-) |
| 13:29.58 | fsmithred | except that the cd and dvd have packages. |
| 13:30.21 | penelopa | Vall: use snmall iso for netinstall. |
| 13:30.30 | fsmithred | I think the jessie-security repo is not up and running yet. I could be wrong. |
| 13:30.55 | penelopa | google has been supporting libpepflashplayer.so for i386 and chrome browser for i386. Therefore, this plugin repository devuan not installed. |
| 13:31.00 | penelopa | If someone has a link to the latest version of these programs , please answer , preferably with the ability to check the hash sum . |
| 13:31.02 | fsmithred | Vall, I think my problem was network congestion and timeouts. |
| 13:31.06 | penelopa | I have a link to one of the latest versions of libpepflashplayer.so for i386. |
| 13:31.12 | penelopa | What do you think , does it make sense to start a separate project on git.devuan.org for this plug-in for browser chromium for i386 platforms? |
| 13:32.36 | penelopa | Vall, i instal in text normal mode. With network error i try again install mit prevensions step and solved this problem. |
| 13:32.40 | fsmithred | penelopa, you don't need to keep repeating the question. Those who are not here will check the logs later and see your question. |
| 13:33.27 | penelopa | fsmithred: Ok. Thank you. |
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| 13:35.07 | Vall | penelopa, fsmithred: just finished installing from the DVD. Apart from pulling everything from the network, it seems all is good: system booted into my selected desktop environment (Xfce), and network connectivity and Iceweasel looks good |
| 13:35.30 | penelopa | Vall: Good! |
| 13:35.48 | fsmithred | check /var/log/installer/syslog (or something like that) for error messages. |
| 13:35.51 | penelopa | Vall: Also KDE work. |
| 13:36.05 | Vall | So the DVD is just an inflated netinstall, but works as well |
| 13:36.17 | Vall | fsmithred: doing it now |
| 13:37.29 | fsmithred | grep cdrom |
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| 13:54.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, could that net-vs-DVDlocal issue get patched? |
| 13:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | like: make the very first packet downloaded from repo patch the installation process |
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| 13:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it would be a great idea to have "hooks" there, exactly for such purposes. E.G a usually dummy package called __pre-install-patch which per default is empty and does nothing, but installer tries to install it as first package |
| 14:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | in case it's needed, maintainers can fill the package with patchcode |
| 14:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. a script in postinst |
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| 14:06.12 | fsmithred | bbl |
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| 14:25.14 | Sweg | Hi |
| 14:26.53 | Sweg | If I want to donate a "place" were Devuan can host .iso files for people to download, who do I speak to? |
| 14:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a MIRRIORS.txt file in the files dir |
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| 14:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | then... dunno whom to speak to, maybe just holler in here, that's what I did |
| 14:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't help much to get the mirror listed on https://devuan.org though ;-) |
| 14:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but at least we can add to: |
| 14:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | !mirrors |
| 14:31.15 | infobot | mirrors is, like, https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-1.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 14:32.00 | Sweg | Thanks :) |
| 14:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 14:32.19 | Sweg | I have alot of bandwith and quite good hardware also to help out :) |
| 14:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) same here, but the actual load on my mirror is next to zilch |
| 14:33.06 | Sweg | alright, |
| 14:33.17 | Sweg | but, i think the download speeds is quite,, bad |
| 14:33.39 | Sweg | So I want just want to put the 2Gbit speed I have aviable to use |
| 14:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yours? |
| 14:33.48 | Sweg | No, from the mirrors lol |
| 14:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, mirrors you can't ever have too many ;-) |
| 14:34.30 | Sweg | I mean, from where I downloaded the .iso file :) |
| 14:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also started torrent-seeding from my server, which works better than the mere plain downloads |
| 14:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | try http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net, it at least isn't clogged |
| 14:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | (for download) |
| 14:35.55 | Sweg | Well, I just have port 80 open, |
| 14:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 14:36.16 | Sweg | But, 1.2 MB per second is not that fund either ( almesberger.net ) |
| 14:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no torrent for you then |
| 14:36.38 | Sweg | I dont want to open up oother ports from outside, only port 80 and 443 |
| 14:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, internet is strange today |
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| 14:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's supposed to have a gigabit uplink, and I actually seen bandwith of 5MB/s used today |
| 14:37.24 | Sweg | So it is'nt just me that's having problem today |
| 14:37.25 | Sweg | good |
| 14:37.32 | Sweg | :) |
| 14:38.09 | figlfdev | finally got devuan beta installed-- several steps had to be repeated, i concur with fsmithred that larger, non-netinst isos are insisting on netinst (and thats only part of it) |
| 14:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, literally every 10 minutes random stuff (like wikipedia) is down for some users while fine for others |
| 14:38.43 | figlfdev | still angry that older more reliable versions are deleted-- because i cant subject another user to what i had to go through (most dist-upgrades are less painful) |
| 14:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | figlfdev: this not only been the distro beta, it also been the beta fro devuan's rollout procedures |
| 14:39.47 | Sweg | I have noticed that there are more crap hammering in my servers then for a couple of month ago, |
| 14:40.14 | Sweg | Propably 50% more than January |
| 14:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | figlfdev: so all sorts of minor oopsies are expected |
| 14:40.40 | figlfdev | fair enough. there is no other distro that i can root for-- except gnuinos and refracta, which imo need devuan anyway |
| 14:40.57 | nextime | well, there are a LOT of things to do from the infrastructure side after things learned by this beta release |
| 14:40.57 | figlfdev | i look forward to supporting devuan further in the future (i will definitely try the next one) |
| 14:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | nextime: :-)) |
| 14:41.23 | nextime | i have plans for at least a 400% performances improvements on amprolla right now |
| 14:41.24 | figlfdev | once its installed, its fantastic. but i like to help other people install-- cant do that now |
| 14:41.40 | nextime | and it's only a drop in the ocean of things that can be done |
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| 14:42.07 | figlfdev | oh and: |
| 14:42.12 | figlfdev | !botissues |
| 14:42.26 | figlfdevbot | well, hey there! although "infobot" is potentially useful, the problems are: 1. its being used to *repeat* glib propaganda that would generally be asked to stay on #debianfork |||| 2. output phrasing is being chosen to make it as cute as "eddie the shipboard computer." Pleeease NO GPPs-- they become pretty grating in no time. |||| 3. the bot is privileged to write longer scrolls to the channel than would be tolerated from any hum |
| 14:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nextime: what about that major issue of everything being a netinstall? |
| 14:42.35 | figlfdevbot | need tweaking if infobot is to stay useful (and tolerable.) |||| 4. "ignore" forces choice between no useful info, or info + inane chatter-- please: just cut the 2nd part out, and keep the "data" bitesize (unlike this infobot parody.) |
| 14:43.04 | nextime | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not following the installer issues, i'm focused on infrastructure side and keyrings actually |
| 14:43.15 | nextime | so, probably you know about it better than me |
| 14:43.54 | figlfdev | (thats actually what i came here to say. but id be happy to see the bot stick around if this is considered) |
| 14:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | from your infra perspective, is there a chance to rollout a patch early during the netinstall process? |
| 14:44.07 | figlfdev | reads all the logs |
| 14:44.59 | nextime | DocScrutinizer05: how early? |
| 14:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | cna't be hard to tweak the installation source from dunno http://repo.devuan.org to cd:// |
| 14:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | as early as possible |
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| 14:45.54 | nextime | well, as long as it install the first package it can be done |
| 14:45.58 | nextime | but not before |
| 14:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, first package, do we know which one that is? |
| 14:46.23 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: whatever it takes to get it working next time, im happy to wait for them to do it right. the installer imo is the weakest link, and probably only due to a folder being named wrong, or a bad preseed in certain versions. |
| 14:46.36 | nextime | *I* personally don't, but the installer know it :) |
| 14:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 14:46.46 | nextime | ( so, just looking at it and it can be done ) |
| 14:47.26 | figlfdev | though i spent hours trying to find a solution, and only came up with "repeat stuff, network seems required even in non-netinst isos" like fsmithred did |
| 14:47.37 | figlfdev | it took most of 2 hours. |
| 14:47.54 | nextime | figlfdev: expect to have a beta2 soon |
| 14:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, so my suggestion for a stopgap fix is to add a postinstall script to first package downloaded from repo, which checks if actually this should be a DVD install and tweak the installation source of installer accordingly |
| 14:48.34 | DusXMT | glib propaganda? |
| 14:48.38 | figlfdev | nextime: music to my ears. ive been using it since march of last year, would like to see you guys still going in 2040 |
| 14:48.49 | figlfdev | DusXMT: referring to infobot (exclusively) |
| 14:49.06 | DusXMT | Where can I see an example? (is curious) |
| 14:49.07 | nextime | figlfdev: i don't really know if i will survive until 2040, but i truly think that devuan will survive me :) |
| 14:49.08 | figlfdev | its only glib when its repeated over and over |
| 14:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your problem with the bot again? |
| 14:49.51 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: its too verbose, and way too cute, and it repeats stuff that belongs in #debianfork |
| 14:49.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 14:50.01 | figlfdev | other than that, i think it could be very useful |
| 14:50.36 | DusXMT | "way too cute" - I like bots with nice personalities =3 |
| 14:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that it's a generic freenode bot that's recently serving ~127 channels and not specific of devuan? |
| 14:50.40 | figlfdev | id rather see it programmed better than gone. you know eddie the shipboard computer? from hitchhikers? its got a genuine people personality |
| 14:50.47 | figlfdev | DusXMT: share and enjoy. |
| 14:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it doesn't repeat anything, it answers when you talk to it |
| 14:51.15 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: "programmed better" referring 100% to the stuff its given to repeat |
| 14:51.43 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: ok... "repeat" meaning "says the same thing on each prompt" -- fine when its useful, worse when its cute |
| 14:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get it what's you rpoint |
| 14:52.16 | figlfdev | look, i dont entirely agree with golinux on this-- but it would probably annoy her less if you considered this. i think she hinted i can ignore it from botbot. |
| 14:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | considered what? |
| 14:52.48 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: ok, the phrases youve given it are too long and "cute" gets annoying when its the same phrases each time. |
| 14:52.53 | furrywolf | does the bot ever say anything without being asked? |
| 14:52.56 | figlfdev | maybe just have it give useful info and not |
| 14:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I given it? |
| 14:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? |
| 14:53.03 | golinux | No it comes up on botbot but I did get the ignore working on xchat |
| 14:53.22 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: where does it get the answers. i saw you "loading it" with phrases in the logs, did i not? |
| 14:53.33 | golinux | Try infobot!ibot@rikers.org |
| 14:53.36 | figlfdev | might not understand how it works, but it seemed... |
| 14:53.39 | furrywolf | if the bot only says things when asked, and it's saying the same thing too often... don't ask it the same things too often. :) |
| 14:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what do you expect from asking a database factoid? that it's different each time you ask it? |
| 14:54.01 | figlfdev | are you really this dense? |
| 14:54.02 | furrywolf | figlfdev: anyone can tell it things |
| 14:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 14:54.16 | furrywolf | !figlfdev is sometimes confusing |
| 14:54.16 | infobot | furrywolf: okay |
| 14:54.22 | furrywolf | !figlfdev |
| 14:54.22 | infobot | figlfdev is probably sometimes confusing |
| 14:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't "load the bot with phrases" |
| 14:54.25 | furrywolf | see? :) |
| 14:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't like getting insulted by you, figlfdev |
| 14:55.06 | figlfdev | !infobot is going to be the bane of this channel |
| 14:55.25 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: well i tried 5 times to explain, and you acted like i was speaking another language |
| 14:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you do, sorry |
| 14:55.39 | figlfdev | forgive my frustration, but its like your trying not to get it |
| 14:55.49 | furrywolf | I don't see a problem with infobot. if people are relying on the bot to give a stock phrase where contex-specific help would be more appropriate, that's an issue with the people, not the bot. I have not seen this yet. |
| 14:55.54 | DusXMT | also doesn't quite understand what figlfdev's saying |
| 14:56.03 | furrywolf | also has no idea what figlfdev's point is |
| 14:56.04 | figlfdev | gives up and just ignores the bot |
| 14:56.21 | figlfdev | i hope that works in the logs, theyre flooded. |
| 14:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | figlfdev: please consider that it's maybe your complete misunderstanding how this pbot works, rather than my ignorance of your intentions |
| 14:56.32 | DusXMT | that's what /ignore was intended for =3 (well, for annoying people, but can be used on bots as well) |
| 14:56.41 | golinux | Unfortunately the queries still appear |
| 14:56.49 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: im aware thats probably part of the issue, now. cheers. |
| 14:57.14 | figlfdev | golinux: well, theyre not as long or annoying as the output of it. but yeah... |
| 14:57.37 | golinux | It floods the scrollback |
| 14:57.59 | DusXMT | I thought the bot only says stuff when asked? |
| 14:58.03 | furrywolf | as far as I know, the bot only answers when someone explicitly asks it something. |
| 14:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it does |
| 14:58.05 | figlfdev | golinux: sure, but probably not more than asking any other person a question |
| 14:58.10 | DusXMT | How does that flood the chat then? |
| 14:58.12 | furrywolf | so it only floods anything if people flood it with questions |
| 14:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
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| 14:58.35 | golinux | Maybe we need a channel exclusively for bot queries about devuan? |
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| 14:58.37 | figlfdev | DusXMT: if you ask someone a question, and it typically returns the equivalent of 6-8 lines |
| 14:58.51 | furrywolf | and in my experience, the bot tends to be used by people providing help to people asking questions, not the people asking questions themselves, usually to answer FAQs. |
| 14:59.01 | figlfdev | then its flood-by-request... perhaps "flood" is too strong a word, until several people do it a few times (as has happened lately) |
| 14:59.30 | figlfdev | golinux: or make it work by pm only. but theres probably no such option |
| 14:59.30 | golinux | It's killing the usefulness of this channel IMO |
| 14:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | like discussions about bot do? |
| 15:00.05 | figlfdev | and its a ridiculous thing to have to debate about. i tried to make a few points, and that failed. nothing more for me to say really |
| 15:00.05 | furrywolf | .... I have not seen it kill the usefulness of this channel, or even harm the usefulness of this channel. |
| 15:00.15 | golinux | thinks DocScrutinizer05 has too much time on his hands |
| 15:00.27 | DusXMT | Then ask the people to use the bot in /msg, if it's becoming too annoying. Perhaps implement "punishments", like eg. one gets kicked for 5 minutes if they send 5 messages beginning with a ! in 10 minutes |
| 15:00.49 | furrywolf | how about we simply do nothing unless it is demonstrated to be an ongoing problem? |
| 15:00.58 | figlfdev | DusXMT: even the first part of that would be wonderful |
| 15:01.03 | figlfdev | furrywolf: thats fine of course too. |
| 15:01.21 | golinux | has tried to ignore furrywolf but no success yet. :( |
| 15:01.30 | figlfdev | shes not so bad |
| 15:01.48 | DusXMT | furrywolf is also a girl? yay =3 |
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| 15:01.59 | figlfdev | golinux: just to say something thats actually about devuan: nice job on the themes. best looking grub menu in quite some time (on my machines anyway) |
| 15:02.13 | golinux | Thanks! |
| 15:02.22 | furrywolf | is soft and fluffy |
| 15:02.32 | DusXMT | :) |
| 15:03.27 | golinux | furrywolf's gender is undisclosed afaik |
| 15:04.02 | figlfdev | i wont get into why i thought i knew furrywolf is female-- only that it was public, in channel, and i assumed common knowledge (unless im entirely mistaken) |
| 15:04.24 | figlfdev | id like to be right about *something* today, but you cant win all the time |
| 15:05.15 | golinux | Some days are like that. |
| 15:05.33 | figlfdev | especially after you spend hours trying to make something work |
| 15:05.53 | figlfdev | but its perfectly good once its installed |
| 15:06.04 | golinux | BTW, the boot screen was a collective effort. Several people had a hand in it. |
| 15:06.16 | figlfdev | yeah, you didnt pick the fonts/fontcolors, did you |
| 15:06.40 | golinux | doesn't want to take all the credit. ;) |
| 15:06.46 | figlfdev | for accessibility, i would make them a little darker and/or a little bolder. |
| 15:07.04 | figlfdev | but you know, i have nothing against a little style. |
| 15:07.15 | furrywolf | so, on the topic of devuan... are we handling stable and testing like debian does, where changes are made to unstable or testing and then moved to stable, or developing stable directly? that is, if I install ascii, will I get the same or newer install process than jessie? or is jessie now actually ahead of ascii? |
| 15:07.30 | golinux | We have bigger issues to work on atm |
| 15:07.33 | figlfdev | wonders the same |
| 15:08.12 | figlfdev | golinux: actually this is the perfect time to work that out. but its also the kind of thing that could wait for stable, if it had to |
| 15:08.15 | golinux | Anything moving to stable goes into backports |
| 15:09.04 | golinux | once stable is officially released |
| 15:09.33 | furrywolf | bets dan knows the answer, but he vanished |
| 15:10.09 | golinux | I doubt he has time to read the drivel that has been going on here in the last few days. |
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| 15:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | for this day: |
| 15:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> wc -l x |
| 15:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 488 x |
| 15:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> grep -c "<infobot>" x |
| 15:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | 7 |
| 15:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | flood? |
| 15:11.23 | figlfdev | fair enough. ive grown spoiled by the botbot formatting, but eh |
| 15:11.43 | furrywolf | Centurion_Dan: Are we developing unstable/testing and then moving things to stable, or working on stable directly? That is, is stable now more advanced than testing, with things flowing the other direction? Or does a fresh testing install get the beta stable experience, plus new things? |
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| 15:18.37 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: just one more thing for clarity: grep -c "<infobot" x | wc -m # flood is probably too strong a word though |
| 15:19.03 | figlfdev | promises to talk about something else now |
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| 15:23.19 | nextime | ok, for the first time i've used the installer thanks to a little machine here on which the hd die today |
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| 15:23.28 | nextime | all goes well |
| 15:23.41 | nextime | but if there is a thing i *personally* don't like |
| 15:23.59 | nextime | it that "vim something" give me "command not found" in the default install |
| 15:23.59 | nextime | :P |
| 15:24.40 | figlfdev | well you shouldve had me install it for you-- i got vim on the second download attempt (using the 600mb iso) |
| 15:24.51 | figlfdev | i watched it download the package |
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| 15:25.33 | DusXMT | nextime: vim.tiny (with a "vi" alternative symlink) was installed on my fresh install. |
| 15:25.51 | DusXMT | replaced it with nvi though :> |
| 15:26.08 | figlfdev | it mustve installed nano too (thank you-- imo it should have nano and vim) or i wouldve noticed im sure |
| 15:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nextime: the problem seems to be that no matter which install you choose, it's always a netinstall and so the repos get clocgged and users encounter timeouts and thus errors during installation |
| 15:26.26 | nextime | DusXMT: yes, but it give you only "vi", not "vim" :D |
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| 15:26.40 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: exactly (thank you) |
| 15:26.57 | DusXMT | nextime: :set nocp :) |
| 15:27.04 | figlfdev | i wouldnt be at all surprised (only from reading about errors) if it was a simple line in the preseed.cfg |
| 15:27.09 | DusXMT | Sure, not everything will be available, but it will be _mostly_ vim |
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| 15:27.49 | nextime | DocScrutinizer05: well, probably it's better to wait beta2 that will be fast to be released |
| 15:28.13 | nextime | DusXMT: no, i mean in shell :) |
| 15:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine with that, when it's really that fast and no interim fix like the suggested patcher needed |
| 15:28.48 | figlfdev | isnt doing another netinst when a proper iso is available |
| 15:29.15 | figlfdev | netinst is fine, i install too often to bother with netinst when i can help it |
| 15:30.01 | figlfdev | also i had to add the security repo, but thats fine (im thrilled its up and has updates) |
| 15:30.19 | furrywolf | I'm on slow, expensive bandwidth. I use netinst, and save all my .debs for reuse on future installs... |
| 15:30.54 | figlfdev | furrywolf: thats a great method, but not one i can subject other users to. |
| 15:31.33 | figlfdev | loads gnuinos live with a bunch of debs and a script on the usb-- even copies pieces of python install hierarchy over |
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| 15:39.03 | nextime | testing now the dist-upgrade for a just installed jessie to ceres |
| 15:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 15:49.25 | nextime | upgrade to ceres goes well, no issues at all |
| 15:49.28 | nextime | great |
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| 16:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't even know there's a ceres already |
| 16:11.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, prolly once we got rid of the stuff we don't like, an upgrade to a new debian(SIC) version is pretty simple, as long as no new systemd packages came in |
| 16:17.10 | FrozenWes | Hmmm. Something a bit confusing. The devuan website links to this channel now (instead of #debianfork) but according to the topic it's still only a development channel? |
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| 16:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, rolling out a beta is about development ;-) |
| 16:25.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's more a "all but generic discussion" channel, but better ask the chanops or the devels |
| 16:26.09 | FrozenWes | hmm, I was kind of assuming this would eventually become the official devuan channel, with development moving over to #devuan-dev. turns out that channel already exists with topic "Devuan future dev channel, not a support channel" |
| 16:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense |
| 16:26.26 | golinux | No it's turned into DocScrutinizer05's infobot channel! |
| 16:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 16:26.41 | FrozenWes | !devuan |
| 16:26.41 | infobot | well, devuan is the most awesome distro, or https://devuan.org |
| 16:26.53 | FrozenWes | !DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:26.53 | infobot | somebody said docscrutinizer was jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 16:27.01 | FrozenWes | heh |
| 16:27.05 | golinux | We'll be needing to escape to another location |
| 16:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | FrozenWes: could you please stop that? |
| 16:27.34 | FrozenWes | I'm just trying two things, don't get your jammies in a twist |
| 16:28.23 | FrozenWes | if using the infobot is a problem it shouldn't be here |
| 16:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you try to troll, you shouldn't be here |
| 16:29.17 | FrozenWes | I already said I was just trying it, sjeez what's with people in this channel lately |
| 16:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are 127 other channels incl #infobot to trx whatever you want. Plus /query infobot |
| 16:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | try* |
| 16:30.59 | FrozenWes | so we have an infobot in here but we're not supposed to use it, that makes sense -_- |
| 16:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | please stop trolling |
| 16:32.25 | FrozenWes | I'm not trolling, you're being ridiculous |
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| 16:33.06 | FrozenWes | anyway, I'm sure nobody appreciates this discussion so let's just end it here |
| 16:33.27 | FrozenWes | don't worry, I won't use the infobot ever again |
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| 16:47.20 | nextime | 6 |
| 16:50.41 | golinux | nextime: So happy to see you around again! |
| 16:51.22 | golinux | Thanks for fixing the mirror(s) thing |
| 16:52.04 | nextime | golinux: i was here even if only in the backside, sadly i was very busy in the past year |
| 16:52.12 | nextime | :) |
| 16:52.31 | golinux | But not visible on this channel ;) |
| 16:52.38 | nextime | true :) |
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| 18:05.00 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, did you get my emails? |
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| 18:18.19 | jaromil | fsmithred: was it you that needed the valentine iso? |
| 18:19.34 | jaromil | we had to limit the occupation on the front file distribution server... |
| 18:23.13 | golinux | jaromil: No it was figlfdev |
| 18:25.04 | golinux | perhaps we should archive older images somewhere? |
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| 18:26.00 | minnesotags | That would probably be a good idea for milestones or unique architectures. |
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| 18:31.45 | fsmithred | no, jaromil, I don't need that |
| 18:32.09 | fsmithred | I got several ways to install devuan. :) |
| 18:32.32 | golinux | You are very clever fsmithred |
| 18:34.43 | hellekin | sweet! We now have a devuan group on freenode \o/ |
| 18:35.06 | fsmithred | where you been, hellekin? |
| 18:39.03 | hellekin | fsmithred: wasn't it week-end? |
| 18:42.19 | n4dir | moin all :-) |
| 18:42.50 | hellekin | moin moin |
| 18:42.57 | nextime | hellekin: eh? |
| 18:43.02 | nextime | devuan group where? |
| 18:44.03 | hellekin | nextime: freenode. Means we now control the devuan namespace for channels and user host cloaks |
| 18:44.13 | nextime | oh, finally! |
| 18:44.22 | nextime | so, start with mine right now :D |
| 18:45.12 | nextime | brb |
| 18:45.22 | hellekin | we need to define some cloaks and a list of freenode accounts to have them. One batch as a time is less pressure on freenode staff |
| 18:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellekin: (devuan group) don't tell me gtoup registration on freenode finally works again? |
| 18:50.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, they finally have a new homepage |
| 18:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellekin: GMS working, or did you "manually" (aka by email, /query)? |
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| 18:57.17 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: I didn't use the new GMS that is in beta, yet. I followed the application process that is open (but not prominently advertised, because beta: they need volunteers to test the system) |
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| 19:05.46 | nextime | hellekin: i was thinking that it doesn't add pressure at all to the freenode staff |
| 19:05.59 | nextime | and it was something you manage by yourself |
| 19:06.38 | hellekin | nextime: with the GMS working that should be the case. But I didn't try it yet. |
| 19:07.34 | hellekin | nextime: the way until now (while GMS is down) was to query staff while the recipient of the cloak is present for confirmation. |
| 19:07.49 | nextime | uhmm |
| 19:07.56 | nextime | on the freenode page |
| 19:08.15 | nextime | it says that informal group with more than one lead should send multiple registration form |
| 19:09.40 | hellekin | nextime: I created freenode-contact@devuan.org and the paper work is done :) |
| 19:09.42 | nextime | ( but gsm isn't linked at all, so, probably now it has to be managed with the help of the staff, right? ) |
| 19:10.09 | nextime | hellekin: ok, but who should be for us the "primary contact"? |
| 19:10.17 | hellekin | nextime: when I know more about this I'll post to devuan-discuss |
| 19:10.25 | nextime | as what i read |
| 19:10.36 | nextime | many of us in parallel |
| 19:10.57 | nextime | at least VUAs and the most active like you and Centurion_Dan |
| 19:11.05 | hellekin | right now it's me. I have been contact for other groups on freenode so I have a head start. freenode-contact can be a mailing-list FWIW. |
| 19:11.09 | nextime | but seems too many to me |
| 19:11.32 | nextime | hellekin: yes, i was just thinking about what i'm reading on freenode page for groups |
| 19:12.24 | hellekin | like for anything else involving devuan and other entities, it's good to have a role contact (e.g., freenode-contact) so we can manage this internally as we like. |
| 19:14.18 | nextime | hellekin: i agree, it's just to understand how freenode want that to be managed |
| 19:14.31 | nextime | ok than |
| 19:14.36 | nextime | time to go to sleep for me |
| 19:14.38 | nextime | gnite |
| 19:16.00 | hellekin | sweet dreams nextime |
| 19:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((and it was something you manage by yourself)) I tried the GMS testbed and it turned out hey made it in a way that still everything needs approval by freenode staff :-/ |
| 19:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | *they |
| 19:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, this might change til that thing goes productive |
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| 19:22.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((many of us in parallel)) not supposed to get handled that way, GC is a "single GoTo point" |
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| 19:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can have sub-GCs appointed by GC, but I dunno if that's really needed and wise |
| 19:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>SecÂondary (or apÂproved) conÂtacts are apÂpointÂed by the priÂmaÂry conÂtact<< later on they get a tad fuzzy about that |
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| 19:47.17 | hellekin | basically they want a single contact and don't really care how you manage it as long as it works. Having a single PoC makes it easier to build up from history. Anyway I'll maintain it as issues in the gitlab to keep the history. |
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| 22:59.59 | robert-e | Centurion_Dan: My compliments; the 64 bit xfce is REALLY fast. Having fun. The only problems with full dvd install were that it net-installed; the sources went to auto-mirror; and a glitch in "installing software". |
| 23:01.43 | robert-e | Centurian_Dan: Looking forwards to the full release, and a long time association with Devuan. Thanks again. |
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| 23:09.03 | Centurion_Dan | robert-e: yeah, I need to look into that. I'm not sure why that is. Could be just that it's pulling a bunch of new packages from jessie-updates. |
| 23:12.47 | robert-e | Centurian_Dan: No, those are just minor problems. I have used a lot of different Linux OS and DE, and this is by far the best. I have it installed on that thinkpad hdd that was just waiting for yesterday. |
| 23:14.40 | robert-e | Centurian_Dan: I only hope that you did not burn too much midnite oil to get this accomplished. If I were closer to NZ I would buy you and yours a steak dinner..but no, I live in Canada. |
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| 23:18.37 | fsmithred | hi |
| 23:19.31 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, did you get my email? |
| 23:20.25 | robert-e | fsmithred: Hi, and thank you for all your contributions to the project. I have to go for about an hour..be back later. |
| 23:20.52 | fsmithred | ok, thanks for the kind words. I actually haven't done a lot. |
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