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08:02.10 | Deys | emacs gui turned ugly in devuan testing |
08:04.04 | muep | ugly in what sense? |
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08:42.21 | Deys | muep, toolbar with icons is missing and the menus have no space between them |
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09:28.01 | antofox | hi |
09:34.53 | antofox | I have installed devuan last week and worked fine until yesterday |
09:35.34 | antofox | now my boot stop at thius point |
09:35.36 | antofox | [....] Starting Network connection manager: wicd[?25l[?1c7[1G[[32m ok [39;49m8[?25h[?0c. |
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13:28.39 | FNTM-U3 | hello |
13:29.22 | FNTM-U3 | What kind of display manager I could install in devuan guys? |
13:29.42 | FNTM-U3 | I mean lightdm perhaps? |
13:29.53 | FNTM-U3 | or any new things in the works |
13:29.55 | FNTM-U3 | ? |
13:30.56 | sirix | FNTM-U3: devuan by default came with slim |
13:31.44 | dimkr | FNTM-U3, lightdm is hardcoded to prefer systemd |
13:31.51 | dimkr | slim isn't |
13:32.19 | fsmithred | I'm using lightdm with no systemd components installed |
13:32.26 | fsmithred | other than udev |
13:32.39 | dimkr | things get screwed up once you have logind present |
13:32.56 | dimkr | because lightdm uses logind, while xfce uses consolekit |
13:33.15 | fsmithred | oh, does that happen if you have libsystemd0 installed? |
13:33.22 | dimkr | AFAIK no |
13:33.42 | dimkr | lightdm checks whether logind's state directory exists, then calls logind APIs |
13:33.51 | dimkr | it's the daemon that creates this directory |
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13:34.17 | fsmithred | what is logind? Can't find it in dpkg -l or aptitude search |
13:34.31 | dimkr | it's part of the systemd package |
13:34.34 | dimkr | yet another daemon |
13:36.15 | Irrwahn | Lightdm works fine with consolekit. |
13:36.42 | Irrwahn | No need to pull in systemd components. |
13:37.52 | dimkr | but once you do install systemd, things get messed up |
13:38.18 | Irrwahn | But why would one install systemd on Devuan? o.O |
13:38.33 | MinceR | so they could run heavydm :> |
13:38.36 | dimkr | by mistake/bug/stupidity? |
13:38.53 | dimkr | i.e. if someone things Devuan = Debian 9 and wants to try out a newer systemd |
13:38.54 | Irrwahn | Devuan spinoff with systemd support is called Debian, IIRC. :> |
13:38.57 | dimkr | *thinks |
13:39.15 | Irrwahn | Well, ok, thre is no ultimate protection against mistakes. |
13:39.24 | Irrwahn | there even |
13:40.11 | Irrwahn | Plus, there is no systemd packe |
13:40.17 | Irrwahn | package in Devuan. |
13:40.51 | dimkr | in alpha versions you could install systemd |
13:41.02 | dimkr | and screw up Xfce pretty badly |
13:41.20 | Irrwahn | True. But these are superseded by beta1 already. |
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15:21.28 | FNTM-U3 | hi again |
15:21.43 | SuicideJunkie1 | Hi |
15:21.44 | FNTM-U3 | could I install network manager on devuan or it is tide to systemd? |
15:24.06 | sirix | FNTM-U3: yes you could |
15:24.56 | SuicideJunkie1 | Got an odd problem. System is freezing for a few seconds every few seconds. watchdog/2 has 10k seconds of kernel time racked up, vs 0.3 for the /0 and /1 watchdogs. |
15:25.25 | FNTM-U3 | sirix, what package should I install? |
15:26.13 | sirix | FNTM-U3: I think is network-manager-gnome |
15:27.53 | sirix | FNTM-U3: just saying...if you are using a desktop comp with ethernet wire, you really don'nt need any networkmanager, but is your chose anyway :) |
15:30.05 | SuicideJunkie1 | ksoftirqd/2 is also standing out from the others. I've got all visible apps closed, A reboot will clear it up for a few hours. Not sure where to look from here. |
15:31.02 | FNTM-U3 | <PROTECTED> |
15:31.13 | FNTM-U3 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages |
15:31.18 | FNTM-U3 | ;( |
15:31.27 | furrywolf | network-manager is crap; I'd suggest not using it even if you can install it. |
15:31.47 | FNTM-U3 | furrywolf, what else is there beside that? |
15:31.54 | furrywolf | SuicideJunkie1: you might try ##linux, as that doesn't sound like a devuan-specific issue, and there's a whole lot more people there. |
15:32.00 | FNTM-U3 | I need to install it |
15:32.08 | SuicideJunkie1 | Thanks. |
15:32.09 | furrywolf | wicd comes to mind, but I haven't used it in ages. |
15:33.12 | furrywolf | bbl |
15:35.04 | FNTM-U3 | why I getting that error there? |
15:35.20 | sirix | FNTM-U3: I suposed that you have devuanrepos on your sources.list right? |
15:35.33 | sirix | FNTM-U3: try apt-get install -f |
15:36.01 | sirix | them apt-get update |
15:36.18 | furrywolf | you'll get that error if you try dragging in systemd. |
15:36.45 | furrywolf | aptitude is usually much better at explaining its reasoning |
15:36.58 | golinux | How about edbarx's simple-netaid? |
15:37.03 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&project_id=&group_id=&snippets=&scope=&search=simple-netaid |
15:37.09 | Irrwahn | network-manager depends on libpam-systemd - forget about it! |
15:37.31 | FNTM-U3 | sirix, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16563296/ that was in /etc/apt/source.list |
15:37.36 | Irrwahn | Use wicd, or see golinux' suggestion. |
15:38.30 | Irrwahn | FNTM-U3: That's Debian repos, not Devuan. o.O |
15:38.47 | FNTM-U3 | Irrwahn, where would be the devuan repos located? |
15:39.05 | sirix | FNTM-U3: ok you have DEBIAN repos, you need to change that |
15:39.07 | Irrwahn | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged stable main contrib non-free |
15:39.07 | Irrwahn | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main contrib non-free |
15:39.07 | Irrwahn | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged stable-updates main contrib non-free |
15:39.17 | sirix | that's it |
15:39.33 | FNTM-U3 | sirix, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16563296/ |
15:41.27 | Irrwahn | FNTM-U3: you can even replace "stable" with "jessie", if you like |
15:43.26 | Irrwahn | uh-oh, gotta go! \o. |
15:44.00 | FNTM-U3 | Irrwahn, so the last line becomes jessie-updates |
15:44.02 | FNTM-U3 | ?????????????? |
15:44.15 | FNTM-U3 | instead of stable-updates? |
15:44.30 | Irrwahn | yes, and the first line becones just jessie |
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15:45.03 | Irrwahn | sorry, i really have to hurry now |
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15:50.15 | FNTM-U3 | No still the systemd is being pulled in (with new install with devuan iso. |
15:50.26 | FNTM-U3 | someone should look it over |
15:50.32 | sirix | FNTM-U3: after you change your source.list you need to >> apt-get update. if you got any complaint about missing keyring, then code: apt-get install devuan-keyring |
15:50.59 | sirix | and apt-get update again |
15:53.41 | Akuli | FNTM-U3, how is systemd there? an /etc/systemd directory or what? |
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16:19.53 | SuicideJunkie1 | I think it might have been one of the desktop effects that was causing me trouble. I'll see how it goes now |
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21:19.28 | FNTM-U3 | hello |
21:19.34 | FNTM-U3 | I have no sound in devuan |
21:19.39 | FNTM-U3 | plz help |
21:21.22 | KatolaZ | FNTM-U3: ? |
21:21.41 | FNTM-U3 | KatolaZ; no sound. the video would play but no sound |
21:21.55 | FNTM-U3 | I could find alsamixer in the repo too |
21:22.08 | FNTM-U3 | I couldn't find alsamixer in the repo too |
21:22.39 | KatolaZ | wait |
21:22.46 | KatolaZ | did you do a fresh install? |
21:23.04 | FNTM-U3 | KatolaZ; yes with the latest .iso |
21:23.24 | KatolaZ | ok |
21:23.24 | FNTM-U3 | from files.devuan.org |
21:23.33 | FNTM-U3 | any solution? |
21:23.44 | KatolaZ | can't you hear any sound at all? |
21:23.50 | FNTM-U3 | no |
21:24.05 | KatolaZ | what says alsamixer? |
21:24.22 | FNTM-U3 | I don'thave alsamixer to check if the volume is ) or if I don't have a sound at all |
21:24.27 | KatolaZ | ??? |
21:24.44 | KatolaZ | you should install alsa-utils |
21:25.00 | KatolaZ | and alsa-tools |
21:25.29 | KatolaZ | but alsamixer is in alsa-utils, IIRC |
21:25.45 | KatolaZ | yes, confirmed |
21:25.52 | KatolaZ | alsamixer is in alsa-utils |
21:26.13 | FNTM-U3 | KatolaZ thanks mate |
21:26.22 | KatolaZ | no worries |
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23:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | alsamixer is a bit of a bitch, if you have trouble with the ncurses, use amixer instead |
23:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | once you found a setting that works, use alsactl to store all settings to a file, so you can restore on next boot |
23:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | also handy: aplay -l and aplay -L |
23:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (resp arecord -lL for ... you guessed it: recording/sampling) |
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