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08:02.10Deysemacs gui turned ugly in devuan testing
08:04.04muepugly in what sense?
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08:42.21Deysmuep, toolbar with icons is missing and the menus have no space between them
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09:28.01antofoxhi
09:34.53antofoxI have installed devuan last week and worked fine until yesterday
09:35.34antofoxnow my boot stop at thius point
09:35.36antofox[....] Starting Network connection manager: wicd[?25l[?1c7[1G[[32m ok [39;49m8[?25h[?0c.
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13:28.39FNTM-U3hello
13:29.22FNTM-U3What kind of display manager I could install in devuan guys?
13:29.42FNTM-U3I mean lightdm perhaps?
13:29.53FNTM-U3or any new things in the works
13:29.55FNTM-U3?
13:30.56sirixFNTM-U3: devuan by default came with slim
13:31.44dimkrFNTM-U3, lightdm is hardcoded to prefer systemd
13:31.51dimkrslim isn't
13:32.19fsmithredI'm using lightdm with no systemd components installed
13:32.26fsmithredother than udev
13:32.39dimkrthings get screwed up once you have logind present
13:32.56dimkrbecause lightdm uses logind, while xfce uses consolekit
13:33.15fsmithredoh, does that happen if you have libsystemd0 installed?
13:33.22dimkrAFAIK no
13:33.42dimkrlightdm checks whether logind's state directory exists, then calls logind APIs
13:33.51dimkrit's the daemon that creates this directory
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13:34.17fsmithredwhat is logind? Can't find it in dpkg -l or aptitude search
13:34.31dimkrit's part of the systemd package
13:34.34dimkryet another daemon
13:36.15IrrwahnLightdm works fine with consolekit.
13:36.42IrrwahnNo need to pull in systemd components.
13:37.52dimkrbut once you do install systemd, things get messed up
13:38.18IrrwahnBut why would one install systemd on Devuan? o.O
13:38.33MinceRso they could run heavydm :>
13:38.36dimkrby mistake/bug/stupidity?
13:38.53dimkri.e. if someone things Devuan = Debian 9 and wants to try out a newer systemd
13:38.54IrrwahnDevuan spinoff with systemd support is called Debian, IIRC.  :>
13:38.57dimkr*thinks
13:39.15IrrwahnWell, ok, thre is no ultimate protection against mistakes.
13:39.24Irrwahnthere even
13:40.11IrrwahnPlus, there is no systemd packe
13:40.17Irrwahnpackage in Devuan.
13:40.51dimkrin alpha versions you could install systemd
13:41.02dimkrand screw up Xfce pretty badly
13:41.20IrrwahnTrue. But these are superseded by beta1 already.
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15:21.28FNTM-U3hi again
15:21.43SuicideJunkie1Hi
15:21.44FNTM-U3could I install network manager on devuan or it is tide to systemd?
15:24.06sirixFNTM-U3: yes you could
15:24.56SuicideJunkie1Got an odd problem.   System is freezing for a few seconds every few seconds.  watchdog/2 has 10k seconds of kernel time racked up, vs 0.3 for the /0 and /1 watchdogs.
15:25.25FNTM-U3sirix, what package should I install?
15:26.13sirixFNTM-U3: I think is network-manager-gnome
15:27.53sirixFNTM-U3: just saying...if you are using a desktop comp with ethernet wire, you really don'nt need any networkmanager, but is your chose anyway :)
15:30.05SuicideJunkie1ksoftirqd/2 is also standing out from the others.  I've got all visible apps closed, A reboot will clear it up for a few hours.  Not sure where to look from here.
15:31.02FNTM-U3<PROTECTED>
15:31.13FNTM-U3E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
15:31.18FNTM-U3;(
15:31.27furrywolfnetwork-manager is crap; I'd suggest not using it even if you can install it.
15:31.47FNTM-U3furrywolf, what else is there beside that?
15:31.54furrywolfSuicideJunkie1:  you might try ##linux, as that doesn't sound like a devuan-specific issue, and there's a whole lot more people there.
15:32.00FNTM-U3I need to install it
15:32.08SuicideJunkie1Thanks.
15:32.09furrywolfwicd comes to mind, but I haven't used it in ages.
15:33.12furrywolfbbl
15:35.04FNTM-U3why I getting that error there?
15:35.20sirixFNTM-U3: I suposed that you have devuanrepos on your sources.list right?
15:35.33sirixFNTM-U3: try apt-get install -f
15:36.01sirixthem apt-get update
15:36.18furrywolfyou'll get that error if you try dragging in systemd.
15:36.45furrywolfaptitude is usually much better at explaining its reasoning
15:36.58golinuxHow about edbarx's simple-netaid?
15:37.03golinuxhttps://git.devuan.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&project_id=&group_id=&snippets=&scope=&search=simple-netaid
15:37.09Irrwahnnetwork-manager depends on libpam-systemd - forget about it!
15:37.31FNTM-U3sirix, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16563296/  that was in /etc/apt/source.list
15:37.36IrrwahnUse wicd, or see golinux' suggestion.
15:38.30IrrwahnFNTM-U3: That's Debian repos, not Devuan. o.O
15:38.47FNTM-U3Irrwahn, where would be the devuan repos located?
15:39.05sirixFNTM-U3: ok you have DEBIAN repos, you need to change that
15:39.07Irrwahndeb     http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged stable main contrib non-free
15:39.07Irrwahndeb     http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main contrib non-free
15:39.07Irrwahndeb     http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged stable-updates main contrib non-free
15:39.17sirixthat's it
15:39.33FNTM-U3sirix, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16563296/
15:41.27IrrwahnFNTM-U3: you can even replace "stable" with "jessie", if you like
15:43.26Irrwahnuh-oh, gotta go! \o.
15:44.00FNTM-U3Irrwahn, so the last line becomes jessie-updates
15:44.02FNTM-U3??????????????
15:44.15FNTM-U3instead of stable-updates?
15:44.30Irrwahnyes, and the first line becones just jessie
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15:45.03Irrwahnsorry, i really have to hurry now
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15:50.15FNTM-U3No still the systemd is being pulled in (with new install with devuan iso.
15:50.26FNTM-U3someone should look it over
15:50.32sirixFNTM-U3: after you change your source.list you need to >> apt-get update. if you got any complaint about missing keyring, then code: apt-get install devuan-keyring
15:50.59sirixand apt-get update again
15:53.41AkuliFNTM-U3, how is systemd there? an /etc/systemd directory or what?
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16:19.53SuicideJunkie1I think it might have been one of the desktop effects that was causing me trouble.  I'll see how it goes now
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21:19.28FNTM-U3hello
21:19.34FNTM-U3I have no sound in devuan
21:19.39FNTM-U3plz help
21:21.22KatolaZFNTM-U3: ?
21:21.41FNTM-U3KatolaZ; no sound. the video would play but no sound
21:21.55FNTM-U3I could find alsamixer in the repo too
21:22.08FNTM-U3I couldn't find alsamixer in the repo too
21:22.39KatolaZwait
21:22.46KatolaZdid you do a fresh install?
21:23.04FNTM-U3KatolaZ; yes with the latest .iso
21:23.24KatolaZok
21:23.24FNTM-U3from files.devuan.org
21:23.33FNTM-U3any solution?
21:23.44KatolaZcan't you hear any sound at all?
21:23.50FNTM-U3no
21:24.05KatolaZwhat says alsamixer?
21:24.22FNTM-U3I don'thave alsamixer to check if the volume is ) or if I don't have a sound at all
21:24.27KatolaZ???
21:24.44KatolaZyou should install alsa-utils
21:25.00KatolaZand alsa-tools
21:25.29KatolaZbut alsamixer is in alsa-utils, IIRC
21:25.45KatolaZyes, confirmed
21:25.52KatolaZalsamixer is in alsa-utils
21:26.13FNTM-U3KatolaZ thanks mate
21:26.22KatolaZno worries
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23:12.44DocScrutinizer05alsamixer is a bit of a bitch, if you have trouble with the ncurses, use amixer instead
23:14.49DocScrutinizer05once you found a setting that works, use alsactl to store all settings to a file, so you can restore on next boot
23:16.05DocScrutinizer05also handy: aplay -l and aplay -L
23:17.56DocScrutinizer05(resp arecord -lL for ... you guessed it: recording/sampling)
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