| 00:10.14 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, does your mini have debootstrap in it? |
| 00:11.34 | KatolaZ | let me check |
| 00:11.44 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 00:11.46 | KatolaZ | not so far |
| 00:11.51 | KatolaZ | let me check what it requires |
| 00:12.13 | fsmithred | ksx4system, you could use a refracta-xfce iso to do a devuan debootstrap install |
| 00:12.16 | KatolaZ | well, nothing that is not there already |
| 00:12.23 | KatolaZ | so I will include it :) |
| 00:12.37 | fsmithred | yeah, it would be a good one to have there |
| 00:13.20 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 00:13.25 | KatolaZ | it's in there |
| 00:13.33 | KatolaZ | I am working on the new release |
| 00:13.34 | KatolaZ | devel4 |
| 00:13.41 | KatolaZ | with a few tweaks |
| 00:13.45 | KatolaZ | and a few more packages |
| 00:13.46 | fsmithred | cool |
| 00:15.12 | KatolaZ | we also have a compiler now |
| 00:15.31 | KatolaZ | accessible boot (for blind users) |
| 00:15.44 | KatolaZ | and boot options to have the system loaded in ram |
| 00:15.48 | KatolaZ | thanks to your suggestion :) |
| 00:16.22 | fsmithred | and the uefi issue might be solved |
| 00:16.37 | fsmithred | I can only test in vbox and qemu, and it works in both of those |
| 00:17.20 | KatolaZ | I haven't included that as yet |
| 00:17.37 | KatolaZ | but that is in the todolist |
| 00:17.51 | KatolaZ | together with trying your script |
| 00:18.03 | KatolaZ | I have not had time to work on it in the last few days |
| 00:18.07 | fsmithred | neither have I - I'm just using David Hare's script and then adding the files manually |
| 00:18.15 | KatolaZ | ok |
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| 08:44.20 | rafalcpp | How to trust devuan when you trust debian? |
| 08:44.32 | rafalcpp | regarding who signs the source files and the binary builds |
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| 08:50.39 | rafalcpp | anyone alive? |
| 09:08.48 | jaromil | hi rafalcpp . we do our best to document all changes we make to debian packages here https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages |
| 09:09.06 | jaromil | these changes are then compiled into our new -devuan binaries |
| 09:09.23 | jaromil | all the other packages are unchanged from debian |
| 09:10.18 | jaromil | our agenda to operate these changes so far is very simple: remove systemd. We change as less as possible of all the rest for the Jessie release. More changes, yet still rather conservative, may occur to fix things in devuan ascii (testing) and ceres (unstable) |
| 09:10.18 | Centurion_Dan | rafalcpp: All the packages are built in our CI build system and signed by our archive keyring. |
| 09:10.41 | jaromil | I think it is worthed to add his question to the FAQ |
| 09:11.35 | Centurion_Dan | rafalcpp: for migration from debian to devuan you can simply add the devuan repository and then apt-get install devuan-archive-keyring. |
| 09:12.00 | Centurion_Dan | oops!! that should be apt-get install devuan-keyring. |
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| 09:40.29 | GeneralStupid | Hi, iam using screen a lot at the moment... and iam using X Forwarding and my problem is that i have to correct the DISPLAY variable every day... is there a way to automize this? |
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| 13:23.30 | joostvb | re |
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| 13:40.34 | djph | use different screens |
| 13:41.06 | djph | although the X forwarding is (IIRC) handled in .Xauthority ... so it might get messy |
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| 14:30.02 | rafalcpp | if you're forking anyway, perhaps would it be more possible to get a packet to Devuan then to Debian? |
| 14:30.21 | rafalcpp | there is some new open source software, that in future I could package |
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| 14:45.06 | jaromil | rafalcpp: we welcome maintaners of both old and new packages, you can already make an account on git.devuan.org and use it as a repository |
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| 15:08.52 | jsfarinet | Hi all! |
| 15:08.57 | ksx4system | jsfarinet: yo |
| 15:11.24 | fsmithred | OT question, but maybe someone here knows a trick I can use to find a syntax error in a script. |
| 15:11.52 | fsmithred | I seem to have an extra curly brace: "}" but I can't find it. |
| 15:12.35 | fsmithred | If I block out a new function I added to the script, it does not fail, but there are no curly braces inside that function - only the ones at beginning and end. |
| 15:12.59 | zdzichu | fsmithred: % key in vim jumps to matching braces |
| 15:13.06 | zdzichu | can you paste the script somewhere? |
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| 15:13.09 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 15:13.11 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 15:13.14 | fsmithred | hang on |
| 15:13.46 | fsmithred | warning: it's long |
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| 15:18.20 | fsmithred | with lines 690 to 792 blocked out (function mkefi) it seems to be running. |
| 15:18.23 | fsmithred | https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/149637f013d7da3fc9c94de7b333d7c4 |
| 15:19.13 | fsmithred | with that function enabled, it pukes on line 792, complaining about unexpected "}" |
| 15:24.29 | jsfarinet | Someone here can explain to me how to download the artworks from github? I have an account ... |
| 15:24.31 | Akuli | Nice, live cd build scripts :) |
| 15:24.59 | fsmithred | Akuli, yeah, I'm working on adding uefi support |
| 15:25.06 | jsfarinet | @Akuli: where? |
| 15:25.21 | fsmithred | refractasnapshot |
| 15:25.38 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: it seems like you have some non-matching quotes or doublequotes... |
| 15:26.00 | fsmithred | that could be. how are you looking at it? |
| 15:26.12 | fsmithred | the syntax highlighting in geany is not picking it up |
| 15:26.17 | KatolaZ | naked eye at the moment |
| 15:26.30 | KatolaZ | but I might download it |
| 15:27.26 | fsmithred | thanks. I seem to be blind to it. |
| 15:28.02 | fsmithred | but I moved a bunch of parts around and put them all in functions today. So, yeah, I screwed up a cut/paste somewhere. |
| 15:28.13 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 15:28.30 | KatolaZ | emacs says that the } at line 792 matches mkefi() |
| 15:28.37 | mrcaravan | guys, how is Devuan going on for you? any new user who switched from Debian with Main repo |
| 15:28.55 | fsmithred | yes mrcaravan |
| 15:29.00 | zdzichu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.04 | zdzichu | line 262 |
| 15:29.15 | zdzichu | erm not, I'm blind too |
| 15:29.16 | mrcaravan | fsmithred, How is it going on for you? did you use Debian with Main repo only? |
| 15:29.17 | zdzichu | nevermind |
| 15:29.34 | KatolaZ | mrcaravan: I was using debian with main only |
| 15:29.59 | fsmithred | I've done several upgrades from debian wheezy to devuan jessie, including one encrypted lvm, and all worked well. |
| 15:30.03 | mrcaravan | KatolaZ, and now moved to Devuan and how is it going on for you bro |
| 15:30.22 | KatolaZ | mrcaravan: I moved to devuan almost one year ago |
| 15:30.27 | KatolaZ | maybe slightly less |
| 15:30.27 | mrcaravan | is Devuan Gnome by default too? |
| 15:30.34 | KatolaZ | I don't use GNOME |
| 15:30.53 | KatolaZ | by default devuan has xfce, to the best of my knowledge |
| 15:31.00 | KatolaZ | but I don;t use xfce either |
| 15:31.47 | zdzichu | fsmithred: line 722 |
| 15:31.54 | zdzichu | fsmithred: should be "fi" |
| 15:32.22 | mrcaravan | how does it look? Can anyone give me default desktop? |
| 15:32.23 | KatolaZ | nice spot zdzichu |
| 15:34.05 | zdzichu | binary searched mkefi function: I've been putting '}' in in and looking where vim higlights it in red :) |
| 15:35.20 | fsmithred | thanks! |
| 15:35.26 | fsmithred | I'm on the phone right now |
| 15:35.49 | KatolaZ | mrcaravan: there is no point in showing you my desktop, indeed |
| 15:35.59 | fsmithred | holy shit. |
| 15:36.01 | KatolaZ | especially if you are looking for something that looks nice |
| 15:36.08 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 15:37.06 | mrcaravan | I really dont' understand what is wrong with systemd |
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| 15:38.36 | KatolaZ | mrcaravan: if you don't understand what's wrong with systemd, why do you bother at all? |
| 15:38.52 | mrcaravan | KatolaZ, because I want to know what is wrong |
| 15:38.53 | KatolaZ | stay with Debian, and live happy ever after |
| 15:39.02 | Akuli | mrcaravan, to me the main thing is that it's really slow compared to sysvinit. |
| 15:39.28 | Akuli | mrcaravan, i also don't like the idea of having one huge thing do a lot of things on my system. what if that one huge thing does something wrong? |
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| 15:40.12 | mrcaravan | ok |
| 15:40.23 | golinux | will feed the troll |
| 15:40.31 | mister_zombie | Hi! I just nuked my Ubuntu install, is there any way I can get Gnome and/or NetworkManager? |
| 15:40.33 | golinux | mrcaravan: http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/default_desktop.png |
| 15:41.04 | KatolaZ | mister_zombie: reinstall ubuntu, and you'll be fine |
| 15:41.59 | mister_zombie | I didn't mean to come off as hostile |
| 15:42.04 | mrcaravan | golinux, ? |
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| 15:42.24 | KatolaZ | I am not kidding mister_zombie |
| 15:42.44 | KatolaZ | the only way to have a functional gnome and network manager is to have Ubuntu |
| 15:42.47 | KatolaZ | or debian Jessie |
| 15:43.19 | KatolaZ | so if you want GNOME and Network Manager you're better off installing Ubuntu |
| 15:44.07 | djph | f*k systemd |
| 15:44.46 | mister_zombie | I'm not too attached to either of those, I just wanna connect to my corporate network which uses WPA2 Enterprise and I'm having a hard time wicd'ing my way to connectivity |
| 15:45.35 | mister_zombie | I thought Gnome looked nice so I might try it, XFCE will do just fine. |
| 15:46.13 | KatolaZ | mister_zombie: sorry but I can't help you on graphical network management, since I use wpa_supplicant for that, with handwritten custom scripts |
| 15:46.18 | KatolaZ | and it works |
| 15:46.25 | KatolaZ | (for me) |
| 15:46.41 | mister_zombie | :P Of course it does. I can probably pull that off too, I was just trying to be lazy. |
| 15:46.42 | KatolaZ | maybe others here can give more useful hints |
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| 15:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: you found the syntax oops in your script? |
| 15:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kate can't find anything bad before and after I comment out :<IGNORE |
| 15:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw a really mad creative way to comment out blocks of code ;-D |
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| 16:03.13 | mister_zombie | Can't figure out how to do it through wicd, I'm probably going to have to resort to wpa_supplicant. I don't know how I'd do it with EAP-TLS in automatic mode though |
| 16:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh 722, OK |
| 16:09.56 | muep | NM does also non-graphical network management |
| 16:10.12 | muep | but of course it still is a different tool than e.g. ifupdown |
| 16:11.07 | Akuli | mister_zombie, i like mate, you can do pretty much whatever you want with themes on any DE but in mate the panels are really easy to move around :) |
| 16:11.13 | Akuli | Of course, you can do that in xfce too. |
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| 16:13.50 | mister_zombie | Meh. For now it sounds like "office guest wifi only" |
| 16:14.31 | mister_zombie | The macbookpro won't share the wifi connection over the display's ethernet, probably for good reasons |
| 16:15.45 | mister_zombie | No qualms about doing it over thunderbolt ethernet. I may be going overboard just for synergy |
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| 16:31.32 | ksx4system | mister_zombie: have you tried connman? |
| 16:32.15 | ksx4system | it should be compatible with WPA2-EAP/TLS |
| 16:32.35 | ksx4system | this + cmst for graphic interface |
| 16:36.42 | mister_zombie | ksx4system: I briefly installed it, tried the connmanctl program, it screamed at me, so I stopped. I'll try with cmst |
| 16:37.06 | mister_zombie | Do I have to build cmst by hand? |
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| 17:07.17 | fsmithred | zdzichu, thanks for your help earlier. DocScrutinizer05, yes, it's fixed. |
| 17:09.26 | mister_zombie | Blerh. connman says "net.connman.Error.InvalidArguments" |
| 17:10.16 | mister_zombie | cmst says that security is actually IEEE8021x |
| 17:10.21 | mister_zombie | Whatever that means. |
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| 18:30.57 | mister_zombie | I resorted to using my cellphone as a wifi adapter. |
| 18:34.36 | mister_zombie | VICTORY. XD |
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| 19:15.09 | ksx4system | mister_zombie: no, it was packaged :) at least in jessie-backports |
| 19:15.41 | ksx4system | â® ksx4system@luna ~ â® $ apt-cache madison cmst | grep 2016 |
| 19:15.42 | ksx4system | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.50 | ksx4system | pure command line connman actually sucks ;) |
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| 19:51.58 | mister_zombie | Other question: How does one suspend? |
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| 19:54.35 | mister_zombie | Ah. Good old pm-suspend to the rescue. Guess I have to map it to acpi somehow |
| 19:57.06 | mister_zombie | Thanks for all the help today, I am indebted to you all, for I am successfully (and without much effort, might I say) systemd-free! Many thanks! |
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| 21:03.24 | minnesotags | Is there still a "repair" option in the installer? |
| 21:04.22 | KatolaZ | there should be a "rescue" option |
| 21:04.47 | minnesotags | Yeah, I've been trying to find that. |
| 21:05.44 | minnesotags | Also, what is the "live" cd status? |
| 21:07.11 | KatolaZ | which live? |
| 21:07.31 | KatolaZ | I am curently uploading a new version of the minimal live |
| 21:07.44 | KatolaZ | with a few more packages and a few tweaks |
| 21:07.50 | minnesotags | Any version is fine, actually. |
| 21:08.27 | KatolaZ | you can find the current minimal live at devuan.kalos.mine.nu |
| 21:08.54 | minnesotags | Something messed up my laptop X server. Keyboard and mouse are locked. |
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| 22:49.04 | jsfarinet | If you're not here in this moment, i'd be happy, if you could send it to me by email: emninger@riseup.net. Thanks a lot in advance! |
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