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| 01:02.34 | golinux | KatolaZ: I seem to remember you don't have a DE but for those who do . . . might be better to do just the big wallpaper swoosh in ascii rather than the full logo |
| 01:03.08 | golinux | That would look very nice on the desktop. |
| 01:03.35 | golinux | Anyway, I might play with that |
| 01:07.54 | fsmithred | ok, it's confirmed. When you copy the splash image to the iso directory, you have to name the destination file in the command. You can't just tell it to copy the file to boot/grub/. That's weird, because either way, the file gets copied to the right place. |
| 01:08.29 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, ^^^ |
| 01:09.59 | fsmithred | ascii swoosh is cool. I agree that it's enough without the whole logo. |
| 01:21.15 | DeeEff | hey guys, I'm getting a "bad gateway 502" error on https://files.devuan.org/ |
| 01:21.23 | DeeEff | is there somewhere else I can get devuan isos? |
| 01:21.47 | DeeEff | also is there an image of testing? |
| 01:21.57 | DeeEff | I suppose I could live with ceres too but ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 01:25.42 | Zaki | Hello |
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| 01:32.13 | fsmithred | DeeEff, did you try any of the mirrors at the bottom of the page at devuan.org ? |
| 01:32.37 | fsmithred | middle of the page |
| 01:33.03 | ksx4system | DeeEff: http://devuan.ksx4system.net for example :) |
| 01:33.33 | DeeEff | I did not |
| 01:33.37 | DeeEff | I am a luser |
| 01:33.41 | DeeEff | ( ââ¿â) |
| 01:34.00 | fsmithred | get the netinstall iso, because they all only do netinstall |
| 01:34.56 | DeeEff | ok. Are they basically the same as Debian isos? |
| 01:35.05 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 01:35.08 | DeeEff | so I can use cryptsetup / etc to encrypt my drives? |
| 01:35.14 | fsmithred | yes |
| 01:35.18 | DeeEff | cool |
| 01:35.25 | DeeEff | sometime this weekend is when I'll probably do it |
| 01:35.55 | fsmithred | installer is essentially the same as debian |
| 01:41.35 | DeeEff | is there consolekit/libsystemd0/polkit installed too? |
| 01:41.43 | DeeEff | or has that been mostly removed now? |
| 01:42.02 | fsmithred | pretty sure you get consolekit if you take the desktop install |
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| 01:43.40 | fsmithred | if you want to see what's in the beta, I made an unofficial live version - https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ |
| 01:44.04 | fsmithred | xfce desktop, I took defaults wherever possible, then made the live iso |
| 01:44.51 | fsmithred | not trying to brag, but the unofficial live looks more like devuan than the official beta does |
| 01:45.15 | fsmithred | theme got lost in beta1 |
| 01:46.10 | fsmithred | but get the netinstall to do your installation |
| 01:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors |
| 01:46.37 | infobot | hmm... mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://devuan.ksx4system.net/ ftp, http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/ http://devuan.selea.se/ http & ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/ http://devuan.c3l.lu/ http://neo900-devuanfiles.dev-one.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 01:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck |
| 01:47.13 | fsmithred | I'm gonna have to learn how to talk to that thing. |
| 01:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: start with "/query infobot", then "help" |
| 01:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | most useful cmds: listkeys, listvalues, literal, factinfo |
| 01:52.26 | fsmithred | is everyone going to see the output, or just me? |
| 01:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a query just you |
| 01:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I recommend it ;-) |
| 01:53.12 | fsmithred | wow |
| 01:53.17 | fsmithred | that's good. |
| 01:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~query |
| 01:53.29 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 01:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 01:54.16 | fsmithred | lol |
| 01:54.29 | fsmithred | what's with the three categories of topics? |
| 01:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | listkeys searches the keys of the factoid base for a pattern, listvalues does same for the values (incredible, eh? ) |
| 01:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just split posts, thabnks to maxlen |
| 01:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmds don't fit into a single post |
| 01:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | many commands are only for bot admins, or are defunct or obsolete or broken |
| 01:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | help <cmd> works usually |
| 02:00.19 | fsmithred | ok, somebody I never heard of has said the most here. |
| 02:00.57 | fsmithred | omg, only three kicks here. ever? |
| 02:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | statistics might be flawed. Or not, it's not been validated recently |
| 02:02.18 | fsmithred | ok |
| 02:02.30 | fsmithred | how long has infobot been here? |
| 02:02.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, since... see first day of logging in ~logs |
| 02:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~logs |
| 02:03.00 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23devuan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 02:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw |
| 02:03.21 | *** mode/#devuan [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 02:03.27 | fsmithred | oh, that second sentence is interesting |
| 02:03.44 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Devuan discussion channel - Beta is out https://www.devuan.org - forum on https://talk.devuan.org - irc logs https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ - Please take offtopic discussion to #debianfork. This channel is logged, see ~logs |
| 02:03.55 | *** mode/#devuan [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 02:05.18 | fsmithred | Ah, since end of April. |
| 02:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: that's pretty much shell default - if you refer to the leading spaces |
| 02:06.03 | fsmithred | oh, I didn't know that |
| 02:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 02:06.07 | fsmithred | but I see it's true |
| 02:06.40 | fsmithred | does it leave a blank line in .bash_history? |
| 02:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik lines with leading blanks are not logged in shell-history |
| 02:07.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not at all |
| 02:07.31 | fsmithred | yeah, I just tried it with up arrow |
| 02:07.35 | openfbtd | Yeah, bash does that by default |
| 02:07.39 | openfbtd | zsh doesnt |
| 02:07.39 | coagen | hi |
| 02:07.43 | openfbtd | doesn't* |
| 02:08.05 | fsmithred | brb |
| 02:08.19 | coagen | i heard about some drama.... |
| 02:08.29 | openfbtd | drama? Where? |
| 02:08.33 | openfbtd | Is it delicious? |
| 02:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | everywhere, every day ;-) |
| 02:10.04 | openfbtd | Well everyday drama is boring |
| 02:10.28 | golinux | fsmithred: The theme in the live iso still needs the right icons and pointer (unless you've already changed them out) |
| 02:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, I tautologized the topic :-S |
| 02:10.35 | *** mode/#devuan [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 02:10.42 | golinux | Those b;lue icons are soooo wrong. |
| 02:10.44 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Devuan discussion channel - Beta is out https://www.devuan.org - forum on https://talk.devuan.org - irc logs https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ - Please take offtopic discussion to #debianfork |
| 02:10.47 | *** mode/#devuan [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 02:10.52 | coagen | thanks for taking care of the channel DocScrutinizer05 |
| 02:10.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 02:13.06 | fsmithred | golinux, you talking about the devuan-live or refracta? |
| 02:13.16 | coagen | DocScrutinizer05: you know what woukd be funny... if gs comes around again to just set up a redirect that bounces him to #debianfork instead |
| 02:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's gs? |
| 02:13.41 | coagen | .... |
| 02:14.16 | coagen | maybe better to just not talk about him here |
| 02:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 02:14.32 | golinux | Devuan live. Don't know what you decided to do for refracta |
| 02:14.49 | fsmithred | I want to keep the lxde icons for refracta |
| 02:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can set up generic "bounces" that get all rejected/banned users to another chan |
| 02:15.10 | fsmithred | for devuan-live, I'm not doing anything now, and maybe will with beta2 |
| 02:15.17 | fsmithred | depending on whether it's needed or not |
| 02:15.25 | golinux | gs is the dickhead that took over this cannel while you were away |
| 02:15.30 | golinux | channel |
| 02:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc you need to be op on both chans for that |
| 02:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah this one |
| 02:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: ta |
| 02:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | coagen: I been wrong, bounces are per ban: >>The suffix $#channel can be appended to any of the above ban masks to cause a user to be forwarded to #channel. << So you actually can do what you planned |
| 02:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://web.archive.org/web/20160212092427/https://www.freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 02:20.19 | coagen | yeah, thats what i was taking about |
| 02:20.45 | coagen | rubs hands with glee |
| 02:21.17 | golinux | Problem is that ban evasion keeps changing things |
| 02:21.43 | coagen | meh, i banned his whole C block once |
| 02:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 02:21.57 | coagen | worked pretty well |
| 02:22.00 | golinux | That's what I've done in ignore |
| 02:22.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | banning whole C blocks should be last resort and needs to get cleaned up rather swiftly (after 24h maybe, the latest) |
| 02:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're blocking a lot of innocent users otherwise |
| 02:24.28 | coagen | yeah, it was back in the day, the only person it inconvienced a little was jude |
| 02:25.01 | golinux | Hmm . . . . I don'but maybe I did.t think I did that |
| 02:25.17 | coagen | jude was smart enough to get in from his school |
| 02:25.21 | golinux | Talk about word salad!! |
| 02:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yummy |
| 02:25.41 | coagen | besides it was just some crap isp in NY |
| 02:26.21 | coagen | apparently all gs was capable of back then was resetting his modem |
| 02:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | often a +q is smarter than a +b, since it triggers less evades |
| 02:26.43 | coagen | not sure if hes evolved since |
| 02:26.58 | coagen | yeah, we tried that.... |
| 02:27.04 | coagen | didnt work |
| 02:27.09 | coagen | anyway |
| 02:27.16 | golinux | Nope. Still delusional |
| 02:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, every day there's a new hardcore troll on IRC. Somethimes it's your channel that suffers the fate |
| 02:27.59 | golinux | There have been quite a few here lately. |
| 02:28.22 | golinux | You dropped the hammer on a couple of them |
| 02:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 |
| 02:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | on jaromil's request |
| 02:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I only kicked the second one since he wasn't a hardcore troll in my rating |
| 02:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | turned out my rating was wrong |
| 02:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 02:33.31 | coagen | we're using centos 7 w/systemd at my work now |
| 02:33.41 | coagen | ugh |
| 02:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, centos5 on a box of mine that needs moving to new iron. can't update, thanks systemd in everything |
| 02:35.22 | coagen | had to *headesk* today just trying to figure out why apache wouldnt restart, cause systemd.... |
| 02:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen that on another server based on Opensuse :-/ |
| 02:36.28 | coagen | worst part is they put me in charge of it.... |
| 02:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | randomly some services for apache don't start, despite systemd says they are |
| 02:36.59 | coagen | our new cenots 7 platform conversion that is.... |
| 02:37.27 | coagen | i begged them to consider freebsd |
| 02:38.04 | coagen | i was afraid to pitch devuan.... |
| 02:38.25 | ksx4system | would rather run Windows Server than any distro infected with bullshitd |
| 02:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ack |
| 02:38.51 | ksx4system | coagen: why afraid? |
| 02:39.03 | ksx4system | yolo, the worst case scenario is hearing "no" |
| 02:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, worst case is "*YOU* suggested that, and not look that's GREEN!" |
| 02:39.37 | coagen | corporate types man, they wouldnt go for it.... |
| 02:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/not/now/ |
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| 02:40.54 | coagen | i need to get freeswitch installed on this pi |
| 02:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | then try to fix that GREEN for a week, and any color you come up is just another bashing by your boss |
| 02:41.08 | coagen | get my old pbx back up |
| 02:41.39 | coagen | phone calls to other countries are dirt cheap |
| 02:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, late here |
| 02:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 02:43.10 | coagen | skype=18c/min, flowroute trunk w/freeswitch=0.1c/min |
| 02:43.42 | coagen | ppl using skype are gettin robbed! |
| 02:43.56 | coagen | later DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 07:11.08 | pav5088 | There's a guy looking for comments on writing a new init system on Soylent News... he has previous experience writing an alternate init. I suggested he speak to Roger Leigh (sysvinit maintainer, and supporter of alternative inits in Debian for years), and you guys here at Devuan... I'm sure noone has a problem with an alternative init provided it plays nicely and doesn't get forced onto you. |
| 07:11.14 | pav5088 | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/06/01/0347232 |
| 07:12.17 | pav5088 | Strangely enough Devuan is probably one of the few distros that can support an experimental init these days. |
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| 07:36.09 | penelopa | Good day, all! |
| 07:53.47 | joostvb | hi penelopa |
| 08:08.07 | Inocuous | I have a laptop that I want to configure as a dual boot with the existing operating system left in tact while installing Devuan as the secondary OS. Is this possible with the current install DVD? |
| 08:11.03 | KatolaZ | Inocuous: Devuan is second to nothing ;) |
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| 08:27.24 | Inocuous | the front end looks pretty comprehensive but I can't see from any of the options if it will maintain existing data. |
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| 08:28.38 | KatolaZ | Inocuous: |
| 08:28.45 | KatolaZ | if you mean an existing /home |
| 08:28.50 | KatolaZ | you can partition manually |
| 08:29.19 | KatolaZ | and *do* *not* format your home partition |
| 08:29.44 | KatolaZ | this can be done easily in expert mode install |
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| 08:42.22 | ksx4system | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/06/01/0347232 |
| 08:42.32 | Inocuous | well, it's a windows OS but I don't know if it matters if it was Linux before or not. I had a dual boot on another laptap a year or so ago with Ubuntu and windows 7, that was non destructive. I would kind of like to do that with Devuan. |
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| 08:43.46 | ksx4system | Inocuous: rule of thumb - install Windows first, any other OS (like GNU/Linux) second |
| 08:44.21 | ksx4system | this way the first will not break the latter's bootloader (GRUB2 in this case) |
| 08:46.03 | ksx4system | just reboot to some kind of live medium (like Gentoo's LiveDVD, it's great), resize your NTFS to make space for Devuan and reboot to netinst iso :) |
| 08:46.52 | ksx4system | throw / on previously created free space, GRUB2 will replace your bootloader (and yes, if you install os-prober package it'll pick up Windows too) |
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| 10:44.45 | jaromil | https://files.devuan.org/ <- restored (sorry for downtime, lucky there are mirrors) |
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| 11:39.57 | hellekin | jaromil: we should remove the fancy stuff on files.do and simply serve the default nginx directory listing, that would get rid of the PHP nd associated problems I guess. |
| 11:40.32 | hellekin | here at TechSummit we opened discussions with LeaseWeb and Nucleus.be for Devuan mirrors :) |
| 11:42.24 | KatolaZ | hellekin: that's great news |
| 11:42.27 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 11:43.17 | hellekin | that's the only first two we talked to :) |
| 11:49.45 | KatolaZ | hellekin: I also agree with removing the glittering stuff from files.do, for what is worth |
| 11:50.08 | hellekin | Devuan is distro #91 on Distrowatch: we made it to the top 100 in the first week :) |
| 11:50.19 | KatolaZ | but I understand that there has been a lot of work behind the "public" image of do |
| 11:50.24 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 11:50.29 | KatolaZ | wow |
| 11:51.48 | KatolaZ | well, it has been mostly us, clicking... :D |
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| 11:58.41 | hellekin | the DW homepage still doesn't show Devuan, I guess it will do tomorrow. Let's try reaching top50 for this first entry :) |
| 12:00.36 | hellekin | https://twitter.com/hellekin/status/738339491463581696 |
| 12:01.46 | fsmithred | hellekin, default dw homepage shows numbers for the last six months |
| 12:02.05 | fsmithred | if you change that to the last 7 days, devuan is #91 |
| 12:02.35 | fsmithred | why does the package list at dw say that mate desktop is not available? |
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| 12:09.36 | hellekin | fsmithred: I see "Desktop: Cinnamon, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, MATE, Xfce" |
| 12:09.59 | fsmithred | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan |
| 12:11.01 | hellekin | fsmithred: I'm reading the same page |
| 12:11.18 | hellekin | cache? Last Update: 2016-05-30 02:37 UTC |
| 12:11.31 | fsmithred | look down the list of packages to mate-desktop |
| 12:11.39 | fsmithred | it's the first time I've been to this page |
| 12:12.23 | hellekin | yeah strange. I'll ask Jesse how they make this list os it's more accurate |
| 12:12.34 | hellekin | s/os/so/ |
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| 12:15.21 | fsmithred | any estimate on when beta2 will be ready? |
| 12:21.30 | hellekin | nope. Hopefully before the end of the month. |
| 12:26.07 | fsmithred | cool |
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| 13:22.54 | SuicideJunkie | I'm quite disappointed in this NVIDIA driver... freezes the whole system every day or so, and manages to corrupt system files on occasion while doing it. |
| 13:23.22 | djph | SuicideJunkie: laptop with optimus perchance? |
| 13:23.51 | SuicideJunkie | Desktop; geforce 730 |
| 13:24.59 | djph | ah, I know their laptop cards are awful ... they try to run as if they're desktop cards, and well, that doesn't bode well for the "cooling" in a laptop |
| 13:25.37 | SuicideJunkie | The video is great while it lasts, but reinstalling the system every few days is a pain :P |
| 13:26.15 | SuicideJunkie | I've just pulled the card out and gone back to the integrated for now. |
| 13:26.38 | fsmithred | SuicideJunkie, have you tried the nouveau driver? |
| 13:29.08 | SuicideJunkie | I was under the impression that was in as the default. |
| 13:29.27 | fsmithred | yeah, but you said you were using the nvidia driver |
| 13:29.38 | fsmithred | sounded like you meant the proprietary driver |
| 13:30.00 | fsmithred | ok, so then let me ask the other q |
| 13:30.07 | fsmithred | have you tried the nvidia driver? |
| 13:30.44 | SuicideJunkie | I should give the nouveau driver another shake and see how it goes. Once I image my drive to be safe :) |
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| 13:42.43 | jsfarinet | Hi all. |
| 13:43.15 | jsfarinet | a question to jaromil and/or hellekin ... |
| 13:44.00 | jsfarinet | How do i manage to post in devuan talk that jwm desktop outline? |
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| 14:08.07 | hellekin | jsfarinet: can you try opening a topic in https://talk.devuan.org/c/miscellaneous ? |
| 14:08.52 | jsfarinet | hellekin, wait a moment, in 5 - 10 minutes i'll be free ;) |
| 14:10.20 | hellekin | jsfarinet: ok. In the meantime I'm looking at your credentials |
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| 14:32.12 | fsmithred | hellekin, while you're checking stuff, could you check my account? I seem to be signed up for a project, but I don't know anything about it. |
| 14:36.21 | hellekin | fsmithred: on talk.do? |
| 14:36.37 | fsmithred | oops, no. |
| 14:36.43 | hellekin | on git.do? |
| 14:36.44 | fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-for-review/logoutd |
| 14:37.23 | fsmithred | don't know if I accidentally signed up for that when I first joined, or if someone volunteered me. |
| 14:38.26 | hellekin | indeed you're in the project members. Should I remove you? |
| 14:38.41 | fsmithred | yeah, I know nothing about logoutd |
| 14:38.46 | hellekin | ok |
| 14:38.55 | fsmithred | but I still want to be able to post issues |
| 14:38.56 | hellekin | done |
| 14:38.58 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 14:38.59 | hellekin | ah |
| 14:39.04 | hellekin | maybe that's why :P |
| 14:39.14 | fsmithred | I gotta be signed up for something? |
| 14:39.30 | fsmithred | if so, is there a list of projects I can choose from? |
| 14:40.34 | hellekin | fsmithred: I gave you reporter access to logoutd, I guess it should be enough for your to post issues. |
| 14:40.45 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 14:41.47 | hellekin | fsmithred: if you encounter any issue with this, or need access to other projects, don't hesistate to ask me. |
| 14:42.15 | hellekin | need to go offline to save battery |
| 14:42.25 | fsmithred | ok, thanks again |
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| 15:08.40 | golinux | fsmithred: G'morning! |
| 15:08.50 | fsmithred | hi |
| 15:08.56 | golinux | You can browse projects here: https://git.devuan.org/explore |
| 15:09.10 | fsmithred | yeah, I finally found that |
| 15:09.42 | KatolaZ | golinux: my question about fonts was not meant to be offensive in any way :) |
| 15:10.02 | golinux | I gather that you worked things out with efi? |
| 15:10.03 | fsmithred | I see there's a project for devuan-live-minimal, but none for devuan-live-maximal (or -bloated, or maybe -desktop) |
| 15:10.18 | golinux | KatolaZ: No offense taken. :) |
| 15:10.29 | fsmithred | no, I've got no boot splash this morning |
| 15:10.36 | golinux | :( |
| 15:10.40 | fsmithred | the isos with the boot splash don't boot in qemy |
| 15:10.46 | fsmithred | qemu |
| 15:10.57 | fsmithred | and the ones that boot in qemu got no splash |
| 15:11.31 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: is there a reason why you want to use grub instead thatn other options (like elilo)? |
| 15:11.32 | golinux | I repeat that Centurion_Dan told me a long time ago that the bg doesn't work in efi. |
| 15:11.49 | fsmithred | it's temperamental |
| 15:12.13 | fsmithred | I should have real hardware to use for testing soon. |
| 15:12.17 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: I am working a bit on the scripts |
| 15:12.29 | KatolaZ | which could be used also for a devuan-live-maximal |
| 15:12.33 | KatolaZ | stay tuned |
| 15:12.34 | fsmithred | good |
| 15:12.36 | KatolaZ | I am almost there |
| 15:12.49 | KatolaZ | we are also integrating stuff with the other sdks |
| 15:12.54 | KatolaZ | to provide a uniform interface |
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| 15:13.10 | fsmithred | push one button and make all the images at once? |
| 15:13.17 | KatolaZ | more or less :) |
| 15:13.25 | KatolaZ | but you have no button to push |
| 15:13.32 | KatolaZ | only a script to launch |
| 15:13.40 | fsmithred | yup |
| 15:14.49 | fsmithred | golinux, if it never worked, I could live with that, but it works sometimes, and that's driving me crazy. |
| 15:15.02 | djph | KatolaZ: does <enter> count as a button? |
| 15:15.15 | fsmithred | wise-ass |
| 15:15.17 | fsmithred | lol |
| 15:15.18 | golinux | You should have a chat with Dan if you can catch him. |
| 15:15.24 | KatolaZ | djph: yess, but you "press" enter, dont' "push" it |
| 15:15.25 | djph | better than a dumbass :) |
| 15:15.33 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 15:15.36 | fsmithred | true |
| 15:15.58 | djph | to be fair, one doesn't really "push" anything on a PC other than the power button (maybe reset in times of dire need) |
| 15:16.14 | KatolaZ | true djph |
| 15:16.19 | fsmithred | what if I mount my keyboard on the wall? |
| 15:16.28 | KatolaZ | that's why "enter" probably doesn't count |
| 15:16.34 | djph | also, I have several mechanical keyboards laying around that would contest "press" vs. "push" |
| 15:16.47 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 15:16.47 | djph | ... they really need cleaned :/ |
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| 15:40.14 | fsmithred | got it! (Note to self: when you copy text that's in a script and is echoed to a file, and you just paste it into that file to be used in the script, remember to remove the escape backslashes.) |
| 15:42.03 | golinux | waits for the pother shoe to drop |
| 15:42.27 | fsmithred | lol |
| 15:42.47 | fsmithred | it booted in both qemu and vbox with uefi and splash |
| 15:42.58 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: the solution is always simpler than you expect ;) |
| 15:43.20 | fsmithred | yeah, and right in front of my face |
| 15:43.30 | Akuli | it's amazing how things work on virtualbox, but not on real computers :D |
| 15:43.40 | fsmithred | yeah, I know |
| 15:44.14 | Akuli | or how things work on virtualbox and dvd on real computers, but not at all from usb sticks :D |
| 15:44.42 | fsmithred | I haven't had so much problem with that |
| 15:45.03 | golinux | keeps fingers crossed |
| 15:45.11 | fsmithred | you talking about running live media? |
| 15:45.26 | Akuli | yes |
| 15:45.42 | fsmithred | what kind of problems? |
| 15:45.43 | Akuli | i made a custom iso with a tutorial, and it ran everywhere unless i tried to use it from a usb stick. |
| 15:45.51 | Akuli | it just wouldn't boot. |
| 15:46.00 | fsmithred | how did you put it on the usb? |
| 15:46.13 | Akuli | I think i used linux mint's image writer back then :D |
| 15:46.21 | Akuli | but it worked great with the original iso |
| 15:46.37 | fsmithred | isohybrid that gets copied onto stick? |
| 15:46.53 | Akuli | I don't know |
| 15:46.59 | fsmithred | ok |
| 15:47.04 | Akuli | the original worked, but my copy didn't. :D |
| 15:47.12 | Akuli | i guess i should try again some day |
| 15:47.15 | fsmithred | try refracta2usb some time |
| 15:47.26 | Akuli | nah |
| 15:47.43 | Akuli | nowadays i dd my bootable sticks, and restore them back to normal media with fdisk :) |
| 15:48.08 | fsmithred | well, if you're just using them to do an install, that's good enough |
| 15:48.34 | fsmithred | but if you like to have live usb that you're going to use, and you want persistence, there are better ways to do it |
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| 16:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | where on https://git.devuan.org/ would I report genuine issues about https://git.devuan.org/ ? |
| 16:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellekin: ^^^ |
| 16:33.19 | Defiant | OMG 2016 and linux still can not print |
| 16:35.24 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: If it's a gitlab issue post here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues |
| 16:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's a config issue with devuan's gitlab |
| 16:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | gitlab.com will not be interested in those |
| 16:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | in detail it's a request to have decent (maybe even per-project) favicons, instread that global gitlab icon |
| 16:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | at very least it should be a devuan favicon instead that red thingie |
| 16:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's that? a firefox? |
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| 16:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and while trying to figure where and how to create a ticket for it, I noticed I'm totally lost on the way the web UI actually works for navigating in gitlab |
| 16:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Defiant: mine prints excellent |
| 16:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, sometimes it sucks, but it still prints |
| 16:42.56 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer05: then you got lucky, I'm trying to print from my laptop (testing) to server (stable) with gutenprint, it just prints noting and without errors |
| 16:43.04 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: I am seeing the devuan icon and not that red/orange animated monstrosity |
| 16:43.42 | golinux | At least in the LH nav frame. |
| 16:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | on https://git.devuan.org/ ? |
| 16:44.01 | golinux | The error pages still look nasty though |
| 16:45.06 | golinux | I have nuked the default alphabetical project icons in stylish. |
| 16:45.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/02/plasma-desktopj14260.png |
| 16:46.59 | golinux | Sorry misread icon for favicon |
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| 16:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/02/plasma-desktopw14260.png |
| 16:48.32 | golinux | I actually don't mind that because it differentiates bookmarked pages on the site from those on git. Seeing 20 or so swooshes would make life more difficult here |
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| 16:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-02 Thu 18:15:19] <wpwrak> pity that git.devuan.org doesn't have its own favicon. would make it so much easier to spot the [devuan-]related gitlab tabs among my anelok-related gitlab tabs |
| 16:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I already asked for **per-project** (in devuan gitlab) favicons |
| 16:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you could have it your way, while developers using multiple gitlab based infras would at least have a way to discern git(lab).devuan.org from gitlab.XY.org |
| 16:56.19 | golinux | Yeah, I can see where that might be useful. |
| 16:57.43 | golinux | You should be able to set a favicon of your choice if you just want to differentiate bookmarks |
| 16:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's a browser feature |
| 16:59.21 | golinux | I use bookmark favicon changer |
| 16:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually a very reasonable one |
| 16:59.34 | golinux | It a FF addon |
| 16:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | great :-) didn't know that exists |
| 17:00.02 | golinux | Many of my bookmarks have custom favicons |
| 17:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should do that for mine too |
| 17:00.59 | golinux | I also use Roomy Bookmarks Toolbar |
| 17:02.02 | golinux | Who knows how long those will be around with the changes going on with FF |
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| 17:20.30 | gci_admin | <Defiant> OMG 2016 and linux still can not print <- I can print from FreeBSD and Linux using CUPS and our three workgroup printers here @work. The printers are two RICOH MP C4503 Print|Fax|Scan and one HP Color LaserJet CP4025. It took some fiddling with the config to find the correct setting, but it works great now. |
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| 17:27.16 | furrywolf | eh? I've always had far better luck printing from linux than from "it's 2016 and you still can't cancel a print job" windows... |
| 17:28.44 | Lydia_K | I feel like cups is pretty damned good these days, it "just works" everytime I use it. |
| 17:29.05 | Defiant | I wonder what I'm doing wrong |
| 17:29.56 | gci_admin | furrywolf, heh, well our IT department here is mostly Windows dinks. They have our *workgroup* printers, which are designed to handle their own print spools, going through a Windows print spooler. It's f*ing insane. ;) |
| 17:30.28 | KatolaZ | golinux: I just sent the logo in attachment to the ML |
| 17:30.40 | KatolaZ | golinux: you should be able to read "devuan" now :) |
| 17:30.40 | Defiant | hmm seems to work better when setting client spool to raw. Now only kde programs can not print |
| 17:32.21 | gci_admin | KDE is ... special. :p |
| 17:34.52 | Defiant | I always liked kprinter4 as printing gui |
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| 17:51.07 | SuicideJunkie | Hrm. Haul a vector to 60km at 800m/s... that's pretty darn slow. |
| 17:51.15 | SuicideJunkie | Ooops, wrong channel |
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| 17:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw @ admins: https://www.heinlein-support.de/blog/news/gmx-de-und-web-de-haben-mail-rejects-durch-spf/ |
| 17:59.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry German |
| 18:05.49 | gci_admin | DocScrutinizer05, no problem. Translators work good enough to get the gist of the article. :) |
| 18:06.30 | jsfarinet | @Doc I love the comment of mkzero ;) |
| 18:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | to everybody, fix your -all to ~all ! ;-) |
| 18:08.58 | golinux | KatolaZ: How did you get that attachment to work! It has always stripped mine out. :( |
| 18:09.08 | KatolaZ | maybe size? |
| 18:09.19 | KatolaZ | mailman has a default limit on attachment size/type |
| 18:09.23 | KatolaZ | mine was text |
| 18:09.28 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:09.30 | golinux | Anyhow . . . Yes that is now readable. |
| 18:09.37 | KatolaZ | and was tiny |
| 18:09.46 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 18:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | <GMX sysadmin> âJa, SPF geht nicht, wir machen es aber trotzdem!â |
| 18:10.21 | golinux | The swoosh still needs work but coming along nicely |
| 18:11.27 | KatolaZ | golinux: just a first attempt, as I said |
| 18:11.34 | KatolaZ | and with a precise scope: /etc/motd |
| 18:11.48 | KatolaZ | with more space we can do fantastic things in ascii-art |
| 18:12.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | jsfarinet: hehehe |
| 18:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | NUKE EMAIL, it's crap |
| 18:15.06 | jaromil | i've setted up a Planet Devuan, aggregating some feeds |
| 18:15.09 | jaromil | http://planet.dyne.org/devuan/ |
| 18:15.44 | jaromil | still rough around the edges, but a start |
| 18:15.52 | jaromil | RSS of the planet is also available here http://planet.dyne.org/public/rss20.xml |
| 18:16.04 | jaromil | recommendations on what rss to have in there are welcome |
| 18:16.35 | jaromil | so far: goog news, talk.devuan.org new topics, reddit r/devuan and voat r/devuan |
| 18:16.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi jaromil |
| 18:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | <antrik> DocScrutinizer05: I'm running Debian testing with sysvinit just fine <DocScrutinizer05> antrik: pabs3: [ 0 -ne `ps aux|grep systemd|grep -v grep|wc -l` ] && echo "sorry, your system is not running without systemd. Even when you might have sysv-init installed" |
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| 18:36.17 | djph | wah, how'd systemd sneak onto my ~server~ box ... |
| 18:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | krhrhr no idea |
| 18:36.51 | djph | me neither |
| 18:36.52 | fsmithred | aptitude why systemd |
| 18:36.56 | djph | damn you upstream |
| 18:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | [jr@lagrange ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 18:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | CentOS release 5.11 (Final) |
| 18:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | [jr@lagrange ~]$ [ 0 -ne `ps aux|grep systemd|grep -v grep|wc -l` ] && echo "sorry, your system is not running without systemd. Even when you might have sysv-init installed" |
| 18:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | [jr@lagrange ~]$ |
| 18:39.42 | djph | well, now I know what I'm up to next week - backups and blow away that box for devuan jessie |
| 18:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that for devuan this test will likely not yield significant results |
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| 18:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | since a) devuan isn't "already there yet" and b) there are prolly dummies etc that are only *named* with something systemd in their process |
| 18:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ideally we eventually would have a Devuan where no "systemd" string is to be found anywhere in the whole system, but... |
| 18:42.50 | djph | well, my serverbox pulled in systemd-services (and systemd-udev) ... must've accidentallied my apt pin (not a big deal, "serverbox" is just fileshare / media center, and all that data is on separate drives) |
| 18:43.18 | djph | DocScrutinizer05: well, my devuan jessie box has no 'systemd' string found anywhere on the whole process list ... |
| 18:43.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's fine :-) |
| 18:44.32 | djph | ... although libsystemd is apparently on the box ... |
| 18:44.37 | djph | wonder what depends on that |
| 18:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of things still do, but I guess this is a patched version |
| 18:46.39 | djph | time to find my notebook of "how to figure out what depends on a library" |
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| 18:47.49 | fsmithred | gvfs depends on libsystemd0 |
| 18:50.45 | fsmithred | I've heard it said by systemd proponents, that if systemd isn't pid1, then it's not doing anything. Likewise, if you have libsytemd0 installed, but not systemd, the library doesn't do anything. So... |
| 18:51.03 | fsmithred | how can you tell if something is using the library or using systemd itself? |
| 18:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | for c in `cat $PATH|sed 's/:/ /g'`; do for cc in $c/*; do ldd $cc; done; done ? |
| 18:54.14 | fsmithred | probably echo $PATH |
| 18:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:54.46 | fsmithred | ok, needs to go to a file. Wow, that's cool. Thanks. |
| 18:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a silly fancy of the moment ;-) |
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| 18:55.21 | muep | fsmithred: you could run a process under gdb and put breakpoints to libsystemd entry points |
| 18:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually piping to less would do better than piping into grep systemd what I did |
| 18:55.45 | fsmithred | woosh |
| 18:57.07 | fsmithred | I have to go. BTW, first test with new cli script refractasnapshot with uefi made a bootable iso (with boot splash) |
| 18:57.14 | fsmithred | bbl |
| 18:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | for c in `echo $PATH|sed 's/:/ /g'`; do for cc in $c/*; do ldd $cc 2>/dev/null; done; done|less +"/systemd" |
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| 19:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | for c in `echo $PATH|sed 's/:/ /g'`; do for cc in $c/*; do (echo "## $cc ###################"; ldd $cc) 2>/dev/null; done; done|less +"/systemd" |
| 19:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ultimate version: for c in `echo $PATH|sed 's/:/ /g'`; do for cc in $c/*; do if (ldd $cc 2>/dev/null|grep -q systemd); then (echo "## $cc ###################"; ldd $cc) 2>/dev/null; fi; done; done|less +"/systemd" |
| 19:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: ((refractasnapshot)) \o/ congrats |
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| 19:29.51 | crhylove | I have a rolling screen in devuan with a 1920x1080 monitor hooked up. |
| 19:29.56 | crhylove | My guess is wrong vsync. |
| 19:30.02 | crhylove | But I only have 60 hz option. |
| 19:30.04 | crhylove | Fix? |
| 19:31.01 | crhylove | Using Mate, btw. It's a slow roll, so I'm guessing 59 hz would probably fix it. |
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| 20:08.17 | penelopa | Good neight all, friends! Bay! |
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| 20:13.47 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, I modified it - for c in `echo $PATH|sed 's/:/ /g'`; do for cc in $c/*; do ldd $cc 2>/dev/null; done; done|grep systemd |wc -l |
| 20:13.48 | fsmithred | 0 |
| 20:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 23:34.19 | gci_admin | Woot! The manager of the other team in my division just came by and asked me about Devuan. :) |
| 23:34.45 | gci_admin | He's going to put it on a lab box for testing. |
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| 23:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
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| 23:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | he'll have a headstart with your contacts to "the Source" here ;-) |
| 23:57.22 | gci_admin | :) |
| 23:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell him about the "netinsatll only, since all is netinstall" issue |
| 23:58.13 | gci_admin | Yeah, I will. I forgot to mention that. |
| 23:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | apropos, when will that get fixed? |
| 23:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: ^^^ |
