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| 00:29.41 | eunuch | HELP |
| 00:31.35 | Centurion_Dan | eunuch: what? |
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| 00:37.51 | gci_admin | Centurion_Dan, that was a "drive by" apparently. |
| 00:48.36 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, I'm here now. |
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| 01:04.31 | Centurion_Dan | gci_admin: yeah realised that just after hitting enter. |
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| 02:24.32 | Inocuous | what news is there from the development team? are things going well? |
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| 05:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2016-June/014964.html |
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| 06:08.39 | zdzichu | wonderful, ubuntu leads with shipping non-ready software again |
| 06:09.08 | zdzichu | just like when they shipped pulseaudio while having no resources to fix bugs in ALSA drivers |
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| 06:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2016-June/014967.html >>[$Poetteringware fails on XY,] Which is exactly what $Poetteringware was supposed to solve....<< I smell a recurring annoying pattern |
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| 07:39.25 | jaromil | goodmorning. things going well on our side! yesterday night with hellekin we managed to put online "stubborn" our new build server on premises |
| 07:43.53 | Chanku|Mobile | Hey |
| 07:44.02 | Chanku|Mobile | And nice |
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| 08:44.34 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: solved, thanks! |
| 08:46.51 | jaromil | gnu_srs and others, is there anyone here that has setup already a jenkins builder for devuan? |
| 08:47.16 | jaromil | we need an howto and would like to go through with as many people who knows about it as possible |
| 08:47.33 | jaromil | also we'll setup one on premises so good to take notes now while doing and then pack them into it |
| 08:47.40 | jaromil | please let me or hellekin know |
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| 09:31.58 | jsfarinet | Hi all, i still have a question regarding qemu: It is dead slow on my machine which itself isn't slow at all ... :-( |
| 09:32.24 | TwistedFate | That is not a question :) |
| 09:32.37 | jsfarinet | Should (or can) I put in any commandline the -enable-kvm variable? |
| 09:33.42 | gnu_srs | jsfarinet: Have you enabled loading the kernel modules to get hardware support? |
| 09:33.54 | jsfarinet | And, the number following -m (eg: -m 256)indicates the amount of ram given to qemu, correct? So raising that would also better the performance |
| 09:34.14 | jsfarinet | yep, i also activate in bios |
| 09:34.35 | jsfarinet | activated |
| 09:35.39 | jsfarinet | lsmod | grep kvm |
| 09:35.41 | jsfarinet | kvm_intel 184320 3 |
| 09:35.42 | jsfarinet | kvm 499712 1 kvm_intel |
| 09:35.44 | jsfarinet | irqbypass 16384 1 kvm |
| 09:44.03 | gnu_srs | Then it should be sufficient to add -enable-kvm, yes. And increase memory, to at least 1024M |
| 09:48.03 | jsfarinet | I'll try ... could even give more mem (16 gig here :) ) |
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| 09:48.51 | jsfarinet | this qemu is running on top on an arch linux system with openrc ... |
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| 10:18.12 | jsfarinet | Hmm, i re-installed: It's effectively way faster - but i still have problems with the expert installation: it did not allow me to choose software tasks (desktop, printserver, systemutils and that like). |
| 10:20.01 | jsfarinet | So i went back to jessie default (i can upgrade then in a 2nd step by changing jessie -> ascii in the repositories and then "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" correct?) |
| 10:20.24 | fsmithred | correct |
| 10:21.03 | fsmithred | if there's a newer kernel in ascii, you'll need to add that separately |
| 10:28.43 | fsmithred | jsfarinet, you got no tasksel on expert install? Did you choose ascii when it asked what version to install? |
| 10:29.42 | jsfarinet | To your last point: yes, i chose ascii and i did not get tasksel |
| 10:30.32 | jsfarinet | also the option use lilo bootloader was not possible |
| 10:30.57 | fsmithred | ok, I'm installing now |
| 10:31.05 | fsmithred | see if it happens to me |
| 10:32.21 | jsfarinet | Just a question for the kernel: when i choose the generic package linux-kernel isnt't it, that i points automatically to the newest package available (or the newest stable)? |
| 10:34.25 | fsmithred | yeah, linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-i386 are metapackages. |
| 10:35.23 | fsmithred | I don't think you'll get newer kernel when you go up a release. |
| 10:35.40 | fsmithred | I can't remember it ever happening to me. |
| 10:36.50 | fsmithred | you'll find out when you reboot |
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| 10:41.01 | jsfarinet | ok, thanks so far! |
| 10:50.30 | fsmithred | select and install software, right after 'configure the package manager' and 'install grub bootloader' |
| 10:51.04 | fsmithred | it's highlighted, ENTER, some stuff gets installed, and I got the tasksel window. |
| 11:05.34 | jsfarinet | yes i got the window tooi, but then the installation failed - whatsoever i chose |
| 11:06.48 | jsfarinet | btw, raising memory significantely and adding the "-enable-kvm" did speed up qemu enormously. May be, in the examples on the website it would be good to change the default values |
| 11:08.26 | jsfarinet | 256 kb, nowadays is really very little. Or at least, you could point the people to this and make them notice that raising memory would be a good idea. And may be a small add-on in the explications |
| 11:08.47 | jsfarinet | how to check if there are the kvm modules enabled. |
| 11:09.36 | fsmithred | I generally give 384mb to VM for xfce |
| 11:09.40 | fsmithred | just for testing |
| 11:09.52 | fsmithred | or installing |
| 11:10.12 | fsmithred | more if I want to open a browser |
| 11:10.32 | fsmithred | but I had a few live isos that wouldn't boot in qemu with only 250 |
| 11:10.44 | KatolaZ | jsfarinet: the examples in devuan's wiki explicitly say thet you should use "-enable-kvm" with qemu... |
| 11:11.07 | fsmithred | and that doesn't work on all systems |
| 11:11.20 | fsmithred | depends on cpu |
| 11:11.44 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 11:11.58 | KatolaZ | should depend only on kernel version and permissions on /dev/kvm.... |
| 11:12.00 | fsmithred | cpu needs certain extensions for kvm to work |
| 11:12.28 | KatolaZ | ok, well, we are talking about 686 machines though, at least... |
| 11:12.43 | fsmithred | yeah, dual-core pentium on laptop won't do it |
| 11:12.52 | fsmithred | 10 year old laptop |
| 11:13.17 | fsmithred | athlon dual core on desktop, also 10 yo will do it fine |
| 11:43.42 | jsfarinet | @KatolaZ But here https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-qemu most of the examples are without -enable-kvm |
| 11:44.28 | jsfarinet | If you can use it (processorwise and kernelwise) it always helps, even with the installer iso |
| 11:47.29 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: the first line after the qemu command says "If you want speed, add the -enable-kvm option." |
| 11:47.48 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 11:47.54 | KatolaZ | jsfarinet: ^^^^^ |
| 11:54.09 | fsmithred | it's even in red |
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| 11:58.43 | Drugo | #fedora |
| 12:02.56 | jsfarinet | i just see that the default jessie installer pulls in some nautilus related libraries? why that - i did not install gnome (?) |
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| 12:10.42 | jsfarinet | @fsmithred I'm through the entire process ... install jessie -> update to ascii -> autoremove and i see: the kernel is automatically updated (from 3.16 -> 4.5.0.2) |
| 12:11.03 | fsmithred | cool, thanks. |
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| 12:11.21 | jsfarinet | the newer one became the default on reboot |
| 12:11.42 | fsmithred | yeah, update-grub puts the latest one first |
| 12:12.30 | jsfarinet | A for you probably simple question: is there an easy way to mount from within a qemu os a drive of the host (to share files etc.) |
| 12:13.13 | fsmithred | I think there's something about sharing folders farther down the page you linked |
| 12:13.38 | fsmithred | I mostly use virtualbox |
| 12:14.21 | jsfarinet | yes, but that's not about doing it from inside (and moreover, it did not work for me; probably my qemu misses something). Virtualbox would be easier? |
| 12:15.42 | jsfarinet | Or, eventually the other way around: is there a way devuan (or any other linux) can open/mount a raw diskfile as a drive? |
| 12:16.46 | jsfarinet | Anyway thanksa lot to you for your help! I'll be away a while ... |
| 12:19.47 | Leander256 | there is a complicated way of presenting a host partition to qemu as a hard drive, involving DM to add an MBR before it n memory, if you feel like experimenting it is doable |
| 12:20.08 | fsmithred | jsfarinet, virtualbox has a nice gui, so pretty much everything is there in front of you. |
| 12:20.28 | Leander256 | otherwise, virtualbox is much easier to use |
| 12:20.44 | fsmithred | another way to share folders or partitions would be to mount them with sshfs |
| 12:21.10 | fsmithred | although I've never done that in qemu |
| 12:22.36 | Leander256 | network communication between host and guest is not possible with the default network configuration, and for that too virtualbox is much simpler :) |
| 12:22.58 | fsmithred | yeah, that's why I use vbox. |
| 12:24.25 | fsmithred | jsfarinet, I got some gnome stuff on default desktop install, but no nautilus. |
| 12:25.15 | fsmithred | akf |
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| 12:38.57 | KatolaZ | jsfarinet: sharing a folder is also explained in the same howto |
| 12:39.10 | KatolaZ | "Sharing a folder with the host" |
| 12:40.46 | KatolaZ | a few lines below |
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| 12:50.05 | Inocuous | morning men |
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| 13:10.59 | Inocuous | Is there any truth to what I've heard about Chromium no longer being developed? |
| 13:13.23 | Defiant | what? |
| 13:13.28 | Defiant | source? |
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| 13:18.38 | sxpert | good afternoon. am trying to pxe boot the install, but it seems the netinst initrd tries to load from a cdrom anyhow. did I miss something ? |
| 13:19.08 | Inocuous | I mean, is there a team of developers that work on it regularly to do routine upgrades Defiant |
| 13:20.20 | fsmithred | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/chromium last entry in changelog was four days ago |
| 13:22.06 | Defiant | fsmithred: thats by security team |
| 13:22.52 | fsmithred | so, it's just getting security fixes? |
| 13:24.27 | Defiant | oh right, chromium-browser is not under security control |
| 13:24.59 | fsmithred | I do recall hearing that it's no longer developed. Maybe a year ago. |
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| 13:39.01 | Leander256 | I just installed devuan on a brand new Pi 3 |
| 13:39.17 | Inocuous | I was just given a link to vivaldi, a new relatively new browser, I assume. Anyone here try it or hear of it? https://vivaldi.com/features/ |
| 13:40.05 | Leander256 | but I think there's a slight security issue since all the SSH server fingerprint keys are pre-computed |
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| 13:48.47 | fsmithred | Leander256, by "pre-computed" do you mean that everyone is installing an image with the same server keys? |
| 13:49.24 | Leander256 | yes fsmithred, all the /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* keys |
| 13:49.50 | fsmithred | no, that's not good. It means all servers look the same to a client logging in |
| 13:50.34 | fsmithred | are you running a read-only image, or are you doing a real installation? I've never used a pi. |
| 13:51.09 | Leander256 | it's a real installation, the thing is... there's nothing to install, you just dd the prepared image onto the SD card |
| 13:51.21 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:51.37 | fsmithred | so delete the old keys in /etc/ssh and run 'ssh-keygen -A' |
| 13:51.46 | fsmithred | that should make new keys |
| 13:52.18 | Leander256 | I regenerated the keys, but I think that it should at least be mentionned in the installation guide |
| 13:52.39 | Leander256 | or maybe there could be a one-time script to do it at first boot |
| 13:52.43 | fsmithred | yeah, good idea |
| 13:52.47 | fsmithred | ideas |
| 13:54.18 | fsmithred | leaving the keys out entirely would not work. In the case of a live image, you can leave them out, but only because live-config will create new ones at boot. |
| 13:55.11 | fsmithred | and after you create new keys and restart ssh, you'll need to edit or delete the known_hosts file on your client before you can log into the pi again |
| 13:57.52 | Leander256 | yes, I didn't have that particular issue because I was digging into the filesystem mounted on my desktop, before putting the SD card in the Pi and first booting it |
| 13:58.02 | fsmithred | after dd'ing the image, do you make any changes to it before you boot into the new system? |
| 13:58.15 | fsmithred | ah |
| 13:58.28 | fsmithred | you answered before I finished asking |
| 13:58.51 | fsmithred | could chroot and generate the new keys before first boot |
| 13:59.04 | fsmithred | not that it's any easier that way... |
| 13:59.47 | Leander256 | and I also changed the default root password (which is, according to my logs, "toor") |
| 14:00.28 | Leander256 | that's an inherent problem with the Pi, because it won't boot on anything else but the SD card |
| 14:01.59 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 14:13.41 | sxpert | any one with a clue about my pxe boot issue ? |
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| 14:20.57 | KatolaZ | sxpert: which install are you using? |
| 14:26.24 | sxpert | I tried to use the kernel and initrd from the netinst iso |
| 14:26.47 | sxpert | guess I should have used something else ;) |
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| 15:08.27 | jsfarinet | hi all |
| 15:08.50 | lime_ | o/ |
| 15:09.01 | jsfarinet | @parazyd Are you here (or sleeping)? |
| 15:10.06 | jsfarinet | Is it possible it's that easy to change to OpenRC (???) |
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| 15:13.14 | gnu_srs | jsfarinet: In debian it is, yes. Why not try it out in a test VM before doing it in real. |
| 15:13.39 | jsfarinet | It's exactly what i did - and boom it was there, working :) |
| 15:13.54 | gnu_srs | nice :) |
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| 15:14.44 | jsfarinet | Are you practical with? I miss /etc/conf/ (like in manjaro or gentoo) where you can configure the services. Where would i find this in devuan/debian? |
| 15:15.18 | Lydia_K | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.27 | Lydia_K | I miss /etc/conf from gentoo too. |
| 15:16.00 | jsfarinet | . /etc/conf.d/ to be correct ... |
| 15:16.24 | jsfarinet | @Lydia_K you use open rc with devuan? |
| 15:17.24 | Lydia_K | I do not. |
| 15:17.35 | Lydia_K | I do like open rc though |
| 15:18.16 | jsfarinet | (we're "en train" putting together the stuff to make a jwm desktop for devuan - and, just for trying e critizing, may be we could make a live iso with openrc by default ... ;) |
| 15:19.04 | jsfarinet | Me to - seems pretty clear to me ... (but i'm a dull user, so, for sure i miss the important points) |
| 15:19.43 | Inocuous | anyone using Chrome with Devuan? |
| 15:22.23 | Lydia_K | jsfarinet: Sounds cool :) |
| 15:22.31 | jsfarinet | @gnu_srs,Lydia_K ... /etc/init.d/ is the directory where openrc processes the services |
| 15:22.32 | Lydia_K | Chrom or Chromium? |
| 15:22.37 | jsfarinet | correct? |
| 15:22.48 | Lydia_K | Oh gosh, it's a been a long time since my gentoo days |
| 15:22.50 | Lydia_K | I think so |
| 15:22.55 | Lydia_K | but I'm not 100% on that |
| 15:23.09 | jsfarinet | and /etc/init/ for sysvinit ? |
| 15:23.27 | jsfarinet | I have both on my virtual machine now (??) |
| 15:24.01 | jsfarinet | Why did you gave up with gentoo |
| 15:24.35 | parazyd | jsfarinet: what is it? |
| 15:24.57 | Inocuous | Google has a .deb of Chrome on their website. I didn't see that in the devuan repo, unless I misread the list. |
| 15:25.29 | Lydia_K | /etc/init.d/ is where the actual start/scripts are with sysvinit |
| 15:26.15 | jsfarinet | @parazyd in ascii on qemu i simply installed openrc - and all was fine after a reboot. Couldn't believe it ... :) |
| 15:26.21 | parazyd | yes |
| 15:26.25 | parazyd | as i've told you |
| 15:26.41 | Lydia_K | jsfarinet: It was like ten years ago, Daniel Robbins left the project and it all went to hell, the motto became "It compiles for me!" |
| 15:26.43 | jsfarinet | i only miss /etc/conf.d/ from manjaro or gentoo ... |
| 15:26.47 | Lydia_K | and so everything was constantly broken. |
| 15:27.29 | Lydia_K | Inocuous: Are distros allowed to redistribute Chrome? I didn't think they were. |
| 15:27.45 | jsfarinet | @Lydia_K, ok i understand. I thought, someone able to deal with gentoo for sure has no need to go the easy way ... ;) |
| 15:28.20 | parazyd | jsfarinet: what do you mean miss /etc/conf.d ? you're using openrc... |
| 15:29.10 | jsfarinet | in manjaro /etc/conf.d/ is the directory, where the config files for the openrc services sit |
| 15:29.40 | jsfarinet | and /etc/init.d/ contains the processes itself |
| 15:29.43 | parazyd | so is on every openrc system ;) |
| 15:29.44 | Lydia_K | jsfarinet: Gentoo still has a special place in my heart, it always will, but when things were bad it was just becoming a massive time sync to deal with the constant breakage on my machines. |
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| 15:30.04 | parazyd | mkdir /etc/conf.d |
| 15:34.13 | Lydia_K | s/sync/sink/ |
| 15:34.16 | Lydia_K | brain no worky |
| 15:35.41 | jsfarinet | @Lydia_K I understand. As i said, i'm a simple user - but in my heart the special place goes to crunchbang ;) |
| 15:37.00 | jsfarinet | I like to stick with that elementary interpretation of dessktop ;) |
| 15:37.16 | jaromil | is crunchbang over? |
| 15:37.22 | jaromil | i read some sad news in the past |
| 15:37.27 | jaromil | i loved crunchbang |
| 15:38.12 | parazyd | #!++ is now the thing |
| 15:38.19 | parazyd | it got forked |
| 15:38.22 | jsfarinet | jaromil, yes. practically - there are some comunity driven attempts to continue but not that convincing, imho |
| 15:38.25 | parazyd | right after dying |
| 15:38.47 | jsfarinet | and, full systemd ... :-( |
| 15:38.48 | Lydia_K | Awww.. I didn't know it died. |
| 15:39.02 | Lydia_K | then died again with systemd |
| 15:39.02 | jaromil | well, systemd on crunchbang is a nonsense |
| 15:39.10 | jsfarinet | +1 |
| 15:39.32 | jsfarinet | I think it's because they continue with debian |
| 15:39.56 | jaromil | i'm digging nelum-dev1 btw |
| 15:40.00 | jaromil | interesting live |
| 15:40.09 | Lydia_K | Right, if debian is your base, and debian goes systemd, then it's pretty much a given so will you. |
| 15:40.50 | jsfarinet | but frankly, when devuan becomes really viable it should be a joke to substitute debian with devuan as the "motor" of a re-newed crunchbang ... (?) |
| 15:42.10 | fsmithred | yes, changing a debian derivative to a devuan derivative is not difficult |
| 15:42.45 | fsmithred | assuming you're still using the parent distro's repos |
| 15:46.47 | jaromil | reading https://thelinuxexperiment.com/surviving-systemd-a-quick-look-at-a-few-alternatives/ he is rather harsh implying slow release is lack of attention (to the contrary...), but yes we need improvements to amprolla to have less latency on updates |
| 15:47.41 | jaromil | yes i'm getting updates regularly so i'm not really sure what is the problem. also we need a notice telling people that if they browse the packages repository with a browser they won't see the packages and that's normal |
| 15:47.54 | jaromil | we do need a finished package explorer |
| 15:51.42 | fsmithred | jaromil, is it possible to browse the packages that devuan has changed? |
| 15:51.57 | jaromil | fsmithred: yes but its not perfect yet. hellekin is working on it |
| 15:52.18 | jaromil | https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/forked-from-debian |
| 15:52.23 | Lydia_K | Devuan may be slow out of the gate but slow and steady wins the race. |
| 15:52.28 | fsmithred | and the rest have to be viewed on the debian repo somehow? |
| 15:52.47 | jaromil | there are imprecisions: especially the listing on different releases stable/test/unst are not exact |
| 15:52.48 | fsmithred | slow to declare a finished product |
| 15:52.55 | fsmithred | meanwhile, people are using it |
| 15:53.08 | fsmithred | and I don't feel like I'm running Testing |
| 15:53.19 | jaromil | Lydia_K: we obviously agree :^) aiming at *base* distro means *double / triple check* |
| 15:53.28 | jaromil | since people doing distros will rely on devuan |
| 15:54.01 | Lydia_K | Exactly! |
| 15:54.23 | Lydia_K | I hope many debian downstream distros switch to devuan. |
| 15:54.37 | jaromil | also i wish reviewers take downstream distros as examples, as devuan won't have any particular change from debian reviewing it may as well end up being boring |
| 15:55.01 | fsmithred | I've always said that debian is boring. |
| 15:55.13 | fsmithred | install, set up and you're done. |
| 15:55.21 | jaromil | for a base distro boring is a compliment :) |
| 15:55.26 | fsmithred | yes |
| 15:55.27 | Lydia_K | I agree :) |
| 15:55.52 | jaromil | fsmithred: katolaz has done quite some good hacking and testing on refractatools |
| 15:55.58 | fsmithred | or for anything you expect to use to accomplish some work |
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| 15:56.01 | jaromil | i hope we can keep everyone together on the changes he recommends |
| 15:56.18 | jaromil | they are for good. for instance we want to have a clean install procedure from a live made with refracta |
| 15:56.20 | fsmithred | I haven't seen his changes yet |
| 15:56.34 | jaromil | you'll know, we need to round up and make a proper plan for the SDK |
| 15:56.35 | Lydia_K | What are his changes? |
| 15:56.46 | fsmithred | yeah, I'll soon be working on adding uefi to installer |
| 15:56.49 | jaromil | Lydia_K: chroot was requested and made by fsmithred |
| 15:57.01 | jaromil | now we are testing all what is connected to installing it on hd from live |
| 15:57.11 | jaromil | because actually the minimal live is so well made and has all drivers |
| 15:57.11 | fsmithred | figlfdev donated some hardware, so I can do real tests |
| 15:57.17 | jaromil | that is much more comfy than running the netinst |
| 15:57.25 | jaromil | oh that's good news |
| 15:57.35 | jaromil | we also have a new server here |
| 15:57.42 | jaromil | bought with donations. quite a monster |
| 15:57.48 | fsmithred | mini live should install in about five minutes |
| 15:57.55 | fsmithred | cool |
| 15:58.14 | jaromil | 8core i7 class with 8gb ram and 3tb hd, will be the nightly for SDK built arm/vm/live bases |
| 15:58.18 | fsmithred | I got a partially crippled laptop, and it has exactly what I need |
| 15:58.28 | fsmithred | nice |
| 16:00.08 | Lydia_K | Nice jaromil! |
| 16:03.11 | jaromil | yes considering we have a small office its also nice that is very silent (has a coolermaster silencio case) |
| 16:03.20 | fsmithred | Lydia_K, I don't have KatolaZ's changes, but if you want to see the script I sent him, I'll dig up the link |
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| 16:09.33 | KatolaZ | I am here |
| 16:09.36 | KatolaZ | but I don't exist atm |
| 16:09.58 | fsmithred | are you a bot? |
| 16:09.58 | KatolaZ | we can speak later on if you want |
| 16:10.15 | fsmithred | ok, I'm about to log in from your mini on my laptop |
| 16:10.25 | Lydia_K | I'm just curious, don't go out of your way. |
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| 16:10.55 | KatolaZ | great fsmithred |
| 16:10.58 | KatolaZ | hope it works! |
| 16:11.03 | fsr-on-mini | minimal-live-iso dd'd to usb stick works on toshiba |
| 16:11.13 | KatolaZ | great fsr-on-mini |
| 16:11.21 | fsr-on-mini | legacy bios atm |
| 16:11.26 | KatolaZ | I have tries it on as many laptop/.netbooks as I could |
| 16:11.32 | KatolaZ | sure we will patch it out |
| 16:11.35 | fsr-on-mini | the beeps all worked |
| 16:11.43 | KatolaZ | is it the last version on the website? |
| 16:11.47 | fsr-on-mini | yes |
| 16:11.52 | KatolaZ | I have now an "accessible" runlevel |
| 16:11.57 | fsr-on-mini | got it yesterday or maybe early this morning |
| 16:12.02 | KatolaZ | with autologin and audible boot feedback |
| 16:12.08 | fsr-on-mini | cool |
| 16:12.11 | KatolaZ | but it's not online yet |
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| 16:12.19 | KatolaZ | stil tweaking a few minor things |
| 16:12.51 | fsr-on-mini | ok, get back to work! |
| 16:13.22 | KatolaZ | great fsmithred |
| 16:13.24 | KatolaZ | thanks! |
| 16:13.27 | fsmithred | forgot to ask if there's anything specific you want me to test |
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| 16:15.15 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: beeps at boot and espeak/espeakup are the only things |
| 16:15.26 | KatolaZ | you might also try to connect to wifi using wpa_cli |
| 16:15.37 | KatolaZ | I succeded without problems so far in three different setups |
| 16:15.37 | fsmithred | need iwlwifi |
| 16:15.43 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 16:15.47 | KatolaZ | it should be there |
| 16:15.47 | fsmithred | oh wait |
| 16:15.50 | fsmithred | ok |
| 16:15.51 | KatolaZ | if it's not too new |
| 16:15.57 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 16:16.00 | fsmithred | also, I got a dongle that is supported |
| 16:16.10 | fsmithred | that'll work |
| 16:16.10 | KatolaZ | maybe not the firmware-nonfree package.... |
| 16:16.14 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:16.15 | KatolaZ | great! |
| 16:16.24 | KatolaZ | you already have a minimal wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 16:16.39 | KatolaZ | it should be sufficient to launch wpa_supplicant in bg |
| 16:16.45 | KatolaZ | and fiddle with wpa_cli |
| 16:16.57 | fsmithred | uh, ok, I've never done that |
| 16:17.01 | KatolaZ | we need a small cli tool for this, sooner or later |
| 16:17.05 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 16:17.08 | KatolaZ | ok no prob |
| 16:17.13 | KatolaZ | do not waste too much time on that |
| 16:17.17 | fsmithred | ok |
| 16:17.19 | KatolaZ | maybe you can try out the FB then |
| 16:17.22 | KatolaZ | fbterm |
| 16:17.24 | KatolaZ | fbgs |
| 16:17.25 | KatolaZ | fbi |
| 16:17.28 | KatolaZ | etc |
| 16:17.41 | KatolaZ | I have received only positive feedback on it so far |
| 16:17.47 | KatolaZ | and I would like to find bugs/problems |
| 16:18.01 | KatolaZ | good feedback is reassuring, but not too useful :D |
| 16:18.08 | fsmithred | I did try fbterm once last week |
| 16:18.41 | fsmithred | there was some issue with it, but probably not a bug - I think something wasn't accesible to me in fbterm |
| 16:19.29 | KatolaZ | please try it again if you can |
| 16:19.34 | KatolaZ | that is very much appreciated |
| 16:19.35 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:19.44 | KatolaZ | thanks again fsmithred |
| 16:19.46 | KatolaZ | gotta go |
| 16:19.49 | KatolaZ | SYL |
| 16:19.50 | fsmithred | yw |
| 16:19.57 | fsmithred | bye |
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| 16:24.02 | jaromil | KatolaZ: for the firmware missing to `apt search firmware-` |
| 16:24.14 | jaromil | and put all the entries excluded the nonfree one |
| 16:24.25 | jaromil | that will make all dongles work (very useful) |
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| 17:59.50 | beagleboner | helo |
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| 18:05.51 | fsmithred | hi beagleboner |
| 18:06.33 | beagleboner | fsmithred: heynow. are you currently running devuan? |
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| 18:07.41 | fsmithred | yes, it's been my main system since Feb. |
| 18:07.52 | fsmithred | and I played with it in VMs for a year before that. |
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| 18:11.18 | beagleboner | cool. i have installed a devuan image to an sd card from which the computer boots. all goes well, i get the devuan login screen, but i don't know the default password!! |
| 18:11.36 | furrywolf | it didn't ask you for a password during the install? |
| 18:11.45 | fsmithred | login devuan, password devuan |
| 18:12.00 | beagleboner | i installed a disk image to the card which was preconfigured |
| 18:12.06 | fsmithred | root password might be toor or devuan |
| 18:12.52 | beagleboner | ok i will reboot and give it a go. bfn. |
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| 18:13.02 | beagleboner | thanks! |
| 18:13.06 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 18:27.50 | jsfarinet | Jaromil you said: reading https://thelinuxexperiment.com/surviving-systemd-a-quick-look-at-a-few-alternatives/ he is rather harsh implying slow release is lack of attention (to the contrary...), but yes we need improvements to amprolla to have less latency on updates |
| 18:29.43 | jsfarinet | 2 questions or considerations regard that comment: Manjaro OpenRC isn't to consider a valid alternative to systemd - at least in this very moment? There are 2 big heads of OpenRC (artoo and adajita) and it seems not affected ... |
| 18:31.17 | jsfarinet | and then, regarding void: I tried it, but it has a very ugly and illogical way to set up the network. In the end i gave up. More reasonable, at least to me, alpine or slackware (2 extremes, i know ;) ). |
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| 18:44.23 | jaromil | jsfarinet: manjaro and openrc are both things we are following close |
| 18:44.55 | jaromil | jsfarinet: i agree simplicity is not with void. personally i'm an admirer of slackware since the beginning of times so, all stuff we can learn there |
| 18:46.39 | jsfarinet | Actually, i have running a test devuan in qemu on a sony vaio like the laptop you mentioned before (intel core 8 but with even 16 gig :) running manjaro openrc and a real devuan (jessie/ascii) on a samsung ultrabook ... |
| 18:46.59 | jsfarinet | somehow, i like the arch wiki ;) |
| 18:47.13 | Chanku | To be fair I think void is still getting it's barrings though |
| 18:48.13 | jsfarinet | and, i spent a lot of time with a netbook running tinycorelinux ... :) |
| 18:49.03 | jsfarinet | i think they have some things one can learn from, e.g. their wireless setup and the very simple but effective mounting tool/script |
| 18:55.48 | jaromil | jsfarinet: what I mentioned is not a laptop. its a full on tower |
| 18:56.05 | jaromil | has many bays also for sata disks, what we will use for inhouse builds |
| 18:59.05 | NewGnuGuy | Is the Devuan Beta available as a live system? |
| 19:01.06 | jaromil | NewGnuGuy: so far we have community efforts to make a live desktop system and a soon to be mainstreamed minimal live |
| 19:01.28 | jaromil | feel free to try refracta, gnuinos and others listed as live |
| 19:01.56 | jaromil | keep in mind devuan is a *boring* but stable base so reviewing is better made on the downstream flavors based on it |
| 19:03.00 | NewGnuGuy | jaromil: cool. Any idea when a live ISO will be ready? Days/weeks/months? |
| 19:07.21 | gci_admin | <3 boring and stable! |
| 19:07.46 | jaromil | NewGnuGuy: is ready if you want to try community versions please give feedback on that and you are already part of the process :) |
| 19:08.11 | jaromil | we have the live-build also patched without systemd and stuff, however strategies are still aligning |
| 19:08.24 | jaromil | so its in-flux and you can try. welcome to the inside of devuan :) |
| 19:09.59 | NewGnuGuy | jaromil: Where can I get a list of community versions? |
| 19:12.27 | jaromil | on the devuan.org frontpage, scroll |
| 19:14.51 | NewGnuGuy | jaromil: OK, I see it now. Thanks :) |
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| 19:33.04 | Gargravarr | evening gentlemen |
| 19:33.30 | Gargravarr | got an issue trying to install Cinnamon, seems to be an unmentionable dependency |
| 19:33.34 | Gargravarr | can someone help me out? |
| 19:33.44 | NewGnuGuy | Gargravarr: Good afternoon |
| 19:35.36 | Gargravarr | i assume we don't mention the S-word in this channel :) |
| 19:43.54 | fsmithred | Gargravarr, it's not that bad. You're allowed to say which package requires some package you don't want. |
| 19:44.49 | fsmithred | I can't really help with cinnamon, but I can suggest that you might be able to install base system and then add all the parts of cinnamon that you need without the metapackage |
| 19:48.44 | Gargravarr | fsmithred: the trouble is that installing cinnamon-desktop depends: gnome-settings-daemon depends: network-manager depends: $UNMENTIONABLE |
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| 19:49.07 | Gargravarr | as it's a dependency, not optional, APT gives up in tears |
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| 19:57.40 | Chanku | Maybe see if you can compile it without a systemd dependency? -shrugs- |
| 19:58.20 | Chanku | Gargravarr https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1009278-start-0.html |
| 19:58.23 | golinux | <Gargravarr> evening gentlemen . . . and?? |
| 19:58.30 | Chanku | It's for Gentoo, but it's helpful :P |
| 20:00.30 | Gargravarr | Chanku: thanks, didn't want to have to go the manual route though |
| 20:00.41 | Gargravarr | anyone here actually part of the project? |
| 20:01.08 | Chanku | You will probably have to go the manual route for now Gargravarr |
| 20:02.09 | fsmithred | Gargravarr, you can do without network manager, and you might be able to do without gnome-setting-daemon, but I'm guessing on the second one |
| 20:02.41 | Gargravarr | i would definitely like to do without it :P |
| 20:03.03 | Gargravarr | network-manager is almost as bad as $UNMENTIONABLE |
| 20:03.06 | fsmithred | gotta go |
| 20:04.11 | fsmithred | back in half hour |
| 20:05.54 | Chanku | Although Gargravarr any reason for choosing Cinnamon? |
| 20:07.23 | Gargravarr | Chanku: it's my favourite GUI |
| 20:07.26 | Chanku | Ah |
| 20:08.11 | Gargravarr | i've used Gnome, Xfce a lot and LXDE a little, then i tried Mint |
| 20:08.16 | Gargravarr | <3 the OS, not the daemons |
| 20:08.18 | Chanku | From what I've heard Mate is somewhat similar to it, but I'm not completely knowledgeable in that area. |
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| 20:10.27 | Gargravarr | MATE is a fork of Gnome2 |
| 20:12.24 | Chanku | Yeah |
| 20:12.30 | Chanku | however it's what I've heard |
| 20:12.41 | Chanku | not that I would really know tbh because I don't use DE's |
| 20:13.25 | Gargravarr | i dropped Devuan in place of Wheezy on my server, it's great headless |
| 20:13.40 | Gargravarr | this irssi session is running from it :) |
| 20:14.03 | Gargravarr | just wanted to point out to the package maintainers that Cinnamon will not install in its present state |
| 20:16.54 | Chanku | Ah alright |
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| 20:22.57 | nextime | o/ |
| 20:24.11 | Akuli | mint's programs are awful if you look at their code |
| 20:24.35 | Akuli | i have no idea how they're working as well as they are with such poor python skills :D |
| 20:24.58 | Gargravarr | yes, but if you want perfection, you have HURD ;) |
| 20:25.01 | Akuli | Or i don't know, maybe the developers are in a huge hurry to get stuff done or something |
| 20:25.24 | Gargravarr | i'll take hacky-but-working over magnificent-but-20-years-behind-schedule |
| 20:25.38 | Akuli | This is my favorite. https://github.com/linuxmint/mintnanny/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintnanny/mintnanny.py#L117 |
| 20:25.53 | Akuli | That's how to do a file append in python. :D |
| 20:28.36 | nextime | uhmm |
| 20:28.47 | nextime | why blame about mint issues in programming skill here? |
| 20:30.33 | jaromil | Gargravarr: most people replying are part of the project. please mention ladies AND gentlemen in the incipit. welcome! |
| 20:31.03 | Gargravarr | jaromil: females? Linux? what? |
| 20:31.11 | Lydia_K | o/ |
| 20:31.27 | Lydia_K | We do exist. |
| 20:31.30 | nextime | jaromil: i'm in europe |
| 20:31.35 | jaromil | yep. and we have a strict anti-mysoginist schedule with sort-of three strike warning. first one gone :P |
| 20:31.35 | Akuli | nextime, that was just the reason why people on #python tell mint users to get a real distro :) |
| 20:31.47 | jaromil | nextime: hell-come back!!! |
| 20:31.51 | nextime | Akuli: ok, but why blame them here? |
| 20:31.58 | Akuli | I don't know |
| 20:32.01 | jaromil | :) |
| 20:32.06 | jsfarinet | Rehi all.! |
| 20:32.06 | Akuli | someone mentioned mint, and i thought i might as well say something about it :) |
| 20:32.13 | Gargravarr | jaromil: no offense intended :) |
| 20:32.21 | jaromil | resets the counter |
| 20:32.27 | nextime | jaromil: :) i'm in france, anyway, i will be in italy in 2 weeks from now |
| 20:32.44 | nextime | and then back in france for another week |
| 20:32.47 | jaromil | nextime: we are all waiting you land on a beach for proper amprolla coding :^)) |
| 20:32.48 | jsfarinet | Still a qemu question: |
| 20:32.48 | nextime | and then back in SA |
| 20:33.02 | jsfarinet | oh nextime, where in France? |
| 20:33.09 | nextime | jaromil: tomorrow i will be in "beach mode coding" :D |
| 20:33.13 | nextime | jsfarinet: menton |
| 20:33.16 | jaromil | wonderful! |
| 20:33.22 | Gargravarr | Akuli: i like Mint for the UI, i don't necessarily agree with the train wreck their packages are |
| 20:33.41 | jsfarinet | me close to Chamonix, but en Suisse, normally ... |
| 20:33.58 | Gargravarr | that MintNanny code? okay, yes, that is just *wrong* |
| 20:34.02 | Akuli | You can install cinnamon on devuan if you want |
| 20:34.17 | Gargravarr | Akuli: that would be what i was trying to do but hit dependency problems ;) |
| 20:34.20 | Gargravarr | which is what brought me here |
| 20:34.26 | Akuli | hmm... |
| 20:34.31 | jaromil | you mentioned a gnome dep |
| 20:34.40 | jaromil | so far we do not support gnome. too busy on priorities |
| 20:34.43 | Gargravarr | jaromil: no, it's the S-word :) |
| 20:34.44 | Akuli | Gargravarr, or just install a dark theme on some other desktop :) |
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| 20:34.59 | jaromil | s- is dragged in by gnome |
| 20:35.07 | Gargravarr | figures |
| 20:35.14 | Gargravarr | it's network-manager, naturally |
| 20:35.19 | jaromil | so that would indicate we fork the gnome package to remove the dep and hope it works |
| 20:35.26 | jsfarinet | back to my qemu question: i found out an easy way to set up "on the fly" a share folder to share files between host and guest (-m python http.server 8080) |
| 20:35.27 | jaromil | meanwhile, most people here like mint |
| 20:35.32 | jaromil | uh, mate |
| 20:35.36 | jaromil | sry. lapsus |
| 20:35.50 | Gargravarr | i'll give MATE a try then |
| 20:35.57 | jaromil | secretly wishes clement comes back and mint steers away from systemd |
| 20:36.20 | jaromil | i guess that's not a secret anymore |
| 20:36.20 | jsfarinet | but: is there a way to automatically direct - temporarily - clip files to that directory? and could that be done easily? |
| 20:36.42 | Akuli | Gargravarr, my MATE desktop with the BlackMATE theme it comes with http://pasteboard.co/1vRSMCBl.png |
| 20:36.46 | Gargravarr | jaromil: at this stage, is it likely ANYTHING will steer away from it? |
| 20:37.12 | Gargravarr | Akuli: not bad, and i'm sure i can hack things around to look like Cinnamon |
| 20:37.18 | Gargravarr | just the out-of-the-box stuff i like |
| 20:37.29 | Akuli | mate is nice |
| 20:37.32 | jaromil | one never knows. this is the camp of people happy with the alternatives and it keeps growing |
| 20:37.39 | Akuli | especially the panels are, you can do basically anything you want with thm |
| 20:37.41 | Akuli | them |
| 20:38.10 | Akuli | just a few right-clicks and your panel layout is completely different :) |
| 20:38.35 | Gargravarr | jaromil: an oasis in the desert :) |
| 20:38.41 | jaromil | mint's lead dev was with us at the beginning of the struggle, seriously evaluating opting out. but no, the mainstream keeps with the flow so far |
| 20:39.10 | Akuli | you mean clem? |
| 20:39.12 | jaromil | yep |
| 20:39.44 | Gargravarr | there's a joke in my circles about locking Poettering in a room with a System V Unix machine and nothing else |
| 20:40.11 | jaromil | now that P- name is worst than the s- thing to be named here |
| 20:40.16 | jaromil | we try to avoid personalization |
| 20:40.38 | Gargravarr | duly noted |
| 20:41.42 | Gargravarr | so jaromil, in conclusion, is it fair to say that Cinnamon is not currently officially supported under Devuan? |
| 20:42.13 | Gargravarr | or anything with Gnome deps |
| 20:42.14 | jaromil | i'm not sure since I haven't done any research nor I know cinnamon |
| 20:42.23 | jaromil | but is fair to say that in your experience it doesn't works |
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| 20:42.42 | jaromil | gnome is not supported by Devuan ATM |
| 20:43.05 | Gargravarr | is anything graphical supported? |
| 20:43.21 | jaromil | I'm not sure it will ever be. I'm quite sure none of the Devuan developers are interested to work so hard for it, nor use it. |
| 20:43.37 | jaromil | sure. all the rest is supported, there is a world out there |
| 20:44.07 | jaromil | I was quite surprised to see even Steam works in full 3d accel glory on Devuan, for something graphical |
| 20:44.21 | jaromil | and I can assure you without Gnome behind games go much faster |
| 20:44.24 | Gargravarr | there is hope then :) |
| 20:44.27 | Lydia_K | Gargravarr: Most things work fine. |
| 20:44.39 | jsfarinet | @jaromil: i do not follow so closely mint and ubuntu, but just a question: does there still exist LMDE ? |
| 20:44.48 | jaromil | afaik yes |
| 20:44.58 | Lydia_K | Gnome is just tightly coupled to systemd so it's a ton of work to disentangle that mess, so it's unlikely to happen. Other window managers are fine. |
| 20:45.18 | jaromil | oh wait a sec. no |
| 20:45.22 | jsfarinet | If so, it shouldn't be so difficult, to make it a LMDevuan ... (?) |
| 20:45.24 | jaromil | lmde? Not Sure |
| 20:45.43 | Gargravarr | hmm, that happened again. gb.mirror.devuan.org closed my connection |
| 20:45.56 | jaromil | Gargravarr: we are aware of the problem (beta!) |
| 20:46.02 | Gargravarr | ah |
| 20:46.07 | Gargravarr | worked on retry |
| 20:46.08 | jsfarinet | @Lydia_K ime, gnome in general is a mess ... ;) |
| 20:46.14 | jaromil | try other mirrors. french mirrors are better usually |
| 20:46.30 | jaromil | it must be the brexit effect |
| 20:46.32 | Gargravarr | oh, don't pit the British and the French against each other, please :) |
| 20:46.37 | jaromil | lol |
| 20:46.43 | jsfarinet | :) |
| 20:46.45 | golinux | "jaromil secretly wishes clement comes back and mint steers away from systemd" +1!! |
| 20:47.42 | Gargravarr | golinux: or that we all wake up and systemd was all a hideous nightmare |
| 20:48.22 | Lydia_K | jsfarinet: Oh I totally agree! |
| 20:48.37 | Gargravarr | hmm, oops. my root partition is too small on this VM |
| 20:48.43 | Gargravarr | LVM to the rescue, i hope... |
| 20:49.07 | jsfarinet | @Lydia_K slackware lives fine without gnome at all ... ;) |
| 20:49.35 | Lydia_K | Slackware <3 |
| 20:49.51 | Lydia_K | Thankfully I have no interest in gnome myself, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. |
| 20:50.14 | jsfarinet | what does that mean: <3 ? |
| 20:50.19 | Lydia_K | It's a heart |
| 20:50.29 | nextime | Lydia_K: someone thnk it's an ass |
| 20:50.30 | nextime | :D |
| 20:50.35 | jsfarinet | ok :) (for me too!) |
| 20:50.36 | Lydia_K | LOL!! |
| 20:50.55 | ksx4system | Gargravarr: yes, graphical is supported :) talking to you through Devuan laptop with Openbox on board :) |
| 20:51.05 | Lydia_K | Openbox! |
| 20:51.08 | Lydia_K | high fives ksx4system |
| 20:51.16 | ksx4system | Lydia_K: best WM <3 |
| 20:51.22 | jsfarinet | Here jwm desktop running :) |
| 20:51.25 | nextime | is using openbox too right now, on devuan of course, on a chromebook |
| 20:51.27 | Lydia_K | I went back to fluxbox on my laptop and found that I really really missed some fo the features of openbox |
| 20:51.33 | Lydia_K | now I'm back to openbox again. |
| 20:51.58 | ksx4system | Lydia_K: tint2 (especially the git one) and you'll never need to see Fluxbox again :) |
| 20:52.23 | jaromil | tried JWM and hats off to it but i3 is best, tiled FTW |
| 20:52.33 | ksx4system | meh tiled |
| 20:52.41 | jaromil | man I started with larswm |
| 20:52.44 | jaromil | i'm a tiled freak |
| 20:52.52 | nextime | well |
| 20:52.58 | ksx4system | actually hates tiled WMs |
| 20:53.06 | Leander256 | I put i3wm in all my devuan, and I put devuan in all my computers |
| 20:53.11 | Lydia_K | ksx4system: Bars are not really my thing. |
| 20:53.16 | jsfarinet | @jaromil: the debian default jwm package is a pain in the a** but you can make of it a great desktop, with tiling too! |
| 20:53.31 | nextime | i'm just a "don't bother me with GUI, i use things needs a graphical interface, ok, but 99% of the time i'm in a full screen terminal. |
| 20:53.33 | Lydia_K | Once chillfan wrote that little pager I finally was able to ditch xfce4-panel. |
| 20:53.35 | Lydia_K | I do love that pager. |
| 20:53.38 | nextime | so, openbox it's ok for me |
| 20:54.03 | jaromil | jsfarinet: ACK did not know |
| 20:54.12 | jaromil | yes default is a bit meh. but it feels FAST. |
| 20:54.46 | nextime | few years ago, when i was a little bit young, i was even recompiling mozilla ( it wasn't firefox yet ) using gtk-embedded to run it under directfb and to avoid to start X :P |
| 20:54.51 | jsfarinet | @jaromil: the debian default jwm package is a pain in the a** but you can make of it a great desktop, with tiling too! |
| 20:55.18 | Lydia_K | nextime: That's awesome! |
| 20:55.20 | nextime | now i'm too lazy to do that |
| 20:55.29 | jsfarinet | mod4+up, down, right, left |
| 20:55.32 | nextime | but i'm really terminal oriented |
| 20:55.43 | jaromil | nextime: gosh I did that too |
| 20:55.45 | Lydia_K | Me too, I almost entirely have full screen terminals |
| 20:55.51 | jaromil | took longer than linux kernel compiling |
| 20:55.53 | jaromil | or X11 |
| 20:56.04 | nextime | jaromil: and i was watching porno using your asciicam too! |
| 20:56.06 | nextime | :D |
| 20:56.06 | jaromil | then discovered links2 -fb |
| 20:56.07 | Lydia_K | http://itsfromtheinternet.com/screenshot_030416.jpg <- work machine where I've not yet ditched the xfce4-panel |
| 20:56.31 | jsfarinet | @Lydia_K i'm coming from crunchbang (so openbox aware) but jwm feels way more snappy and is smaller in footprint |
| 20:57.57 | Lydia_K | I love my *box window managers, I've been using one or another of them for more than a decade. |
| 20:58.01 | jaromil | nextime: lets hide the gruesome details. I've already dedicated you a valentine release people are still wondering about |
| 20:59.00 | jaromil | Lydia_K: I was a fluxbox user for a while, but then realised I was on the wrong side of the camp, openbox was the first and better one |
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| 20:59.19 | nextime | jaromil: okok :D |
| 20:59.29 | jaromil | fluxbox went bonkers with "innovation" |
| 20:59.32 | KatolaZ | forgot the *boxes |
| 21:00.16 | jaromil | *boxes were my first after the *steps |
| 21:00.30 | jaromil | nice hobbie, changing wm hey |
| 21:00.53 | jsfarinet | @jaromil :) |
| 21:01.36 | jsfarinet | @jaromil did you have a look at the openrc implementation of i3 (manjaro)? |
| 21:01.37 | Lydia_K | I used some custom hacks on blackbox for a long time, then "upgraded" to fluxbox, then eventually went to openbox. |
| 21:01.44 | KatolaZ | everybody should have a proper WMaker experience |
| 21:01.56 | KatolaZ | or afterstep |
| 21:03.13 | jaromil | jsfarinet: no. is there one? openrc implementation of i3?! |
| 21:03.43 | jsfarinet | I think so. Will have a look and tell ... |
| 21:03.47 | jaromil | if I ever change from i3 (which makes me very happy right now, after suffering through awesome) I'm more incline to adopt the custom dwm setup parazyd has |
| 21:04.21 | jaromil | I have very few needs, like nextime, mostly working in terminals or emacs |
| 21:05.01 | KatolaZ | then jaromil xmonad is the way |
| 21:05.07 | jaromil | its damn 23:00 here. gtg remind myself I have a life. bbl |
| 21:05.09 | parazyd | lol haskell |
| 21:05.17 | KatolaZ | sure parazyd :) |
| 21:05.20 | jaromil | xmonad... the name does not suggests me I have a life!!! |
| 21:05.32 | KatolaZ | jaromil: :D |
| 21:05.34 | parazyd | i don't have 1.3 gigabytes of free space to install a WM |
| 21:06.01 | KatolaZ | ahahahah |
| 21:08.20 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, I was not able to get wireless going with the mini |
| 21:08.26 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 21:08.29 | KatolaZ | firmware problem? |
| 21:08.43 | fsmithred | yes, at least that, and maybe user problem, too. |
| 21:08.46 | KatolaZ | jaromil mentioned it above, I think |
| 21:08.51 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 21:09.09 | KatolaZ | user problems should not be problems, since you have root... |
| 21:09.10 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 21:09.27 | fsmithred | I can as root what to do? |
| 21:09.32 | fsmithred | as/ask |
| 21:10.00 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 21:10.02 | KatolaZ | you are root |
| 21:10.07 | fsmithred | yeah, bad joke |
| 21:10.12 | KatolaZ | ahahahahah |
| 21:10.14 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 21:10.16 | KatolaZ | ahahahahahah |
| 21:10.24 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 21:10.40 | KatolaZ | which firmware packages do you think we should add then? |
| 21:10.45 | fsmithred | I think I got the wpa supplicant command right, but wpa_supplicant didn't agree |
| 21:10.52 | fsmithred | no clue |
| 21:11.07 | fsmithred | I was able to modprobe iwlwifi, but I couldn't successfully start wpa_sup |
| 21:11.23 | KatolaZ | oh wait |
| 21:11.27 | KatolaZ | you should use wpa_cli |
| 21:11.37 | KatolaZ | we can try now together if you want |
| 21:11.40 | fsmithred | wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:11.44 | jsfarinet | @jaromil no, no openrc release of i3 by manjaro ... :-( |
| 21:11.51 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 21:11.53 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 21:11.55 | KatolaZ | I should document it |
| 21:12.03 | fsmithred | when I tried wpa_cli, I think it said that it could not connect to wpa_supplicant |
| 21:12.20 | KatolaZ | wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:12.36 | KatolaZ | it is started as a deemon |
| 21:12.42 | KatolaZ | then you can use wpa_cli |
| 21:12.43 | fsmithred | ok, didn't do the -B, but I did do -c |
| 21:12.46 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:12.50 | fsmithred | will reboot into it |
| 21:12.55 | fsmithred | one min |
| 21:12.59 | KatolaZ | ok |
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| 21:14.12 | jsfarinet | Oh, an urgent question: will a virtual machine (qemu) survive a suspend to ram? |
| 21:14.47 | KatolaZ | jsfarinet: sure it will |
| 21:14.54 | jsfarinet | Thanks! |
| 21:16.11 | fsmithred | sorry, it'll be a few minutes - I need to re-image the usb stick |
| 21:16.37 | KatolaZ | no worries |
| 21:17.48 | fsmithred | I think I'm doing too many things at once |
| 21:18.39 | fsmithred | if I'm going to boot this on the laptop that has need iwlwifi, I need to download the i386 iso. No clue what I was using earlier. Maybe an older mini |
| 21:19.52 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 21:19.57 | KatolaZ | but please try the last one |
| 21:20.04 | fsmithred | downloading it now |
| 21:20.05 | KatolaZ | (devel4) |
| 21:20.08 | KatolaZ | great |
| 21:20.08 | fsmithred | yes |
| 21:20.10 | KatolaZ | thanks |
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| 21:28.55 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, I'll pm you the output |
| 21:29.04 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 21:29.10 | KatolaZ | are you in wpa_cli? |
| 21:29.19 | fsmithred | didn't get that far |
| 21:29.24 | KatolaZ | maybe we should do that in pvt |
| 21:29.42 | KatolaZ | unless there is somebody interested in a live wpa_cli session :D |
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| 21:58.03 | jsfarinet | fsmithred i'd suggest you have a look into ceni, which seems to me does pretty much what you're looking for.On aptosid there is a .deb package ;) |
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| 22:06.55 | KatolaZ | guys somebody here said a few days ago that s/he was on ascii |
| 22:10.28 | Gargravarr | KatolaZ: have they since moved on to LSD? ;) |
| 22:10.39 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:11.04 | KatolaZ | well from ascii you should move to BSD... ;) |
| 22:11.40 | Gargravarr | no, i think you need LSD in the middle |
| 22:11.45 | KatolaZ | ahahahah |
| 22:11.45 | Gargravarr | makes the BSD easier to understand |
| 22:12.24 | KatolaZ | wanted to be a pun on (h)ascii vs (s/L/B)SD :D |
| 22:13.40 | KatolaZ | but I admit it was a very bad one... :) |
| 22:15.12 | jsfarinet | Oh yeah, David Peel and the Lower Eastside: lsd, stp .... :P |
| 22:15.31 | jsfarinet | But i'm old |
| 22:19.13 | gci_admin | <Gargravarr> no, i think you need LSD in the middle <Gargravarr> makes the BSD easier to understand <- O.o |
| 22:19.47 | gci_admin | wonders when BSD became hard to understand :p |
| 22:24.57 | Lydia_K | routing.. routing is going to be the death of me.. |
| 22:25.16 | ksx4system | Lydia_K: get some OpenBSD routers :) |
| 22:25.35 | Lydia_K | It's not that kind of an issue |
| 22:25.41 | ksx4system | :P |
| 22:26.04 | Lydia_K | it's static routes, and multiple interfaces, and trying to get a gateway to work so that one segragated network can get out to talk to the rest of the network. |
| 22:27.07 | Lydia_K | It's super complicated so I'm not gonna spam the channel with it. |
| 22:27.28 | ksx4system | mkay |
| 22:27.44 | KatolaZ | well Lydia_K, there is not much going on anyway... :) |
| 22:28.33 | Lydia_K | I'm gonna try to simplify it. |
| 22:30.07 | Lydia_K | 10.236.3.x can talk to 10.236.4.x and vice versa, 10.236.4.x can talk to the rest of the world. 10.236.3.x can only talk to itself and 10.236.4.x. Router at 10.236.4.200, no matter how I configure my routes I cannot get to 192.168.0.1. (10.236.4.200 can ping 192.168.0.1) |
| 22:31.05 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 22:31.22 | KatolaZ | router at 10.236.4.200 is also on 192.168.0.1? |
| 22:31.42 | Lydia_K | 10.236.4.200 can talk to 192.168.0.1 via 10.236.4.1 |
| 22:32.04 | KatolaZ | but 192.168.0.x is downstream from 10.Y.4.1 |
| 22:32.44 | Lydia_K | 10.236.4.1 is a gateway, but it's a magic Cisco ACI gateway so I don't know if it'll let traffic from 10.236.3.x go through it (I've tried both .1 and .200) |
| 22:32.54 | Lydia_K | technically upstream, but yeah. |
| 22:33.18 | KatolaZ | oh sure |
| 22:33.52 | KatolaZ | so you cannot et to 192.168.0.1 from 10.Y.3.x |
| 22:33.57 | Lydia_K | Correct |
| 22:34.15 | KatolaZ | sorry now silly questions |
| 22:34.18 | Lydia_K | Go for it. |
| 22:34.34 | KatolaZ | default gw on 10.Y.3.x is 10.Y.4.200 |
| 22:34.35 | KatolaZ | ? |
| 22:34.50 | KatolaZ | I mean |
| 22:35.18 | KatolaZ | 10.Y.3.R (the router on 10.Y.3.x) has a defult route to 10.Y.4.200 |
| 22:35.20 | KatolaZ | right? |
| 22:35.45 | Lydia_K | I've certainly tried but it doesn't appear to work. |
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| 22:36.22 | KatolaZ | but do you have this or not now? |
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| 22:37.46 | Lydia_K | I had it on a box which is currently rebooting |
| 22:38.14 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 22:38.30 | KatolaZ | you should have it on the router between 10.Y.3.x and 10.Y.4.x |
| 22:38.35 | Lydia_K | 10.236.4.0/24 via 10.236.3.1 dev bond0 |
| 22:38.35 | Lydia_K | 10.236.3.0/24 dev bond0 proto kernel scope link src 10.236.3.18 |
| 22:38.35 | Lydia_K | default via 10.236.4.200 dev bond0 |
| 22:38.37 | KatolaZ | ops |
| 22:38.50 | KatolaZ | ah ok |
| 22:38.53 | KatolaZ | netmask is 24 |
| 22:39.14 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 22:39.19 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 22:39.25 | KatolaZ | other silly question coming |
| 22:39.34 | Lydia_K | Sure. |
| 22:39.54 | KatolaZ | 10.Y.3.x and 10.Y.4.x should have a gateway in the middle |
| 22:40.00 | KatolaZ | who is in both nets, right? |
| 22:40.22 | Lydia_K | See, here's where cisco ACI makes me shrug |
| 22:40.50 | Lydia_K | 10.236.3.1 was created by ACI when the contract was created between the vlans |
| 22:40.55 | Lydia_K | 10.236.4.0/24 via 10.236.3.1 dev bond0 |
| 22:41.26 | Lydia_K | freakin' Cisco ACI |
| 22:41.30 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 22:42.14 | KatolaZ | I don't know the details of your conf, but technically you should need a gw between 10.Y.3.x and 10.Y.4.x |
| 22:42.23 | KatolaZ | sorry again for the silly remark :( |
| 22:42.33 | Lydia_K | no worries |
| 22:42.47 | KatolaZ | problem is that the netmask is /24 |
| 22:43.00 | KatolaZ | which means that 3.x and 4.x can't speak to each other directly |
| 22:43.56 | KatolaZ | (or at least they shouldn't...) |
| 22:44.56 | Lydia_K | well, via 10.236.3.1 and 10.236.4.1 they can, I guess |
| 22:45.41 | KatolaZ | sure |
| 22:45.47 | Lydia_K | ugh, almost a decade at my last job where networking was totally siloed away and my skills have gone soft, add to that the mystery of ACI and "application layer routing" and everytime I think I understand this I realize I don't |
| 22:45.53 | KatolaZ | but 3.1 and 4.1 are the same machine then? |
| 22:46.04 | Lydia_K | They are magic from the switch, they are not machines. |
| 22:46.10 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:46.23 | KatolaZ | so you can ping 4.1 form within 3.x |
| 22:46.29 | Lydia_K | Correct |
| 22:46.37 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 22:46.50 | KatolaZ | and you can ping 3.x from 4.x |
| 22:46.58 | KatolaZ | and 4.x from 3.x |
| 22:47.16 | KatolaZ | then you have 4.1 connected somehow to 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:47.38 | KatolaZ | which is upstream towards TheInternet(tm) |
| 22:47.53 | Lydia_K | yes, 4.1 can speak to the outside world, there is a "contract" in ACI for that (ACI replaces traditional networking terms with laywer terms, it's gross) |
| 22:48.02 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:48.16 | KatolaZ | but 4.1 has to work as a gw for 3.x as well |
| 22:48.27 | Lydia_K | Maybe? I don't know if it will do that. |
| 22:48.33 | KatolaZ | it should |
| 22:48.39 | KatolaZ | IMHO |
| 22:48.41 | Lydia_K | hence the box at 4.200 doing NAT |
| 22:48.49 | Lydia_K | to make the traffic look like it's from .4 |
| 22:48.53 | Lydia_K | but I've tried both |
| 22:48.56 | KatolaZ | oh wait |
| 22:49.10 | KatolaZ | so 4.200 is the router towards upstream... |
| 22:49.24 | KatolaZ | (for 3.x) |
| 22:49.28 | Lydia_K | 4.200 points to 4.1 |
| 22:49.37 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:49.42 | Lydia_K | 4.200 is in case ACI won't let 3.x traffice leave via 4.1 |
| 22:49.48 | Lydia_K | which it might not, it's a mystery to me. |
| 22:50.06 | KatolaZ | but 3.x should not need two default gws.... |
| 22:50.11 | KatolaZ | just one |
| 22:51.23 | Lydia_K | I can't get to 4.x without going through 3.1, but a static route to only talk to 4.x via 3.1 should mean my default can be 4.200 (or 4.1) right? |
| 22:51.35 | Lydia_K | Or am I nuts and that can't be done? |
| 22:52.21 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 22:52.58 | KatolaZ | but how your default gw on 3.x can be somebody like 4.200? |
| 22:53.12 | KatolaZ | your netmask is /24... |
| 22:53.51 | Lydia_K | 10.236.4.0/24 via 10.236.3.1 dev bond0 |
| 22:53.52 | Lydia_K | 10.236.3.0/24 dev bond0 proto kernel scope link src 10.236.3.18 |
| 22:53.52 | Lydia_K | default via 10.236.4.200 dev bond0 |
| 22:54.13 | KatolaZ | this is on 3.x? |
| 22:54.17 | Lydia_K | Correct |
| 22:55.17 | KatolaZ | and can you ping 4.200 from within 3.x? |
| 22:55.22 | Lydia_K | Correct |
| 22:55.42 | KatolaZ | but traceroute 192.168.0.1 from 3.x stops...where? |
| 22:56.06 | KatolaZ | (this also depends on the conf on 4.200, though) |
| 22:56.32 | Lydia_K | Looks like it doesn't even get off the local box. |
| 22:56.33 | *** join/#devuan furrywolf (~randyg@99-204-49-2.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 22:56.58 | KatolaZ | traceroute 10.Y.3.1? |
| 22:57.30 | Lydia_K | just fine, one hop, directly to 3.1 |
| 22:57.55 | KatolaZ | and to 10.Y.4.x? |
| 22:58.16 | Lydia_K | 3.1 -> 4.1 |
| 22:58.24 | KatolaZ | 3.18 -> 4.87 |
| 22:58.25 | Lydia_K | to 4.200 goes 3.1 -> 4.1 -> 4.200 |
| 22:58.28 | KatolaZ | (I dunno) |
| 22:58.35 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:58.43 | KatolaZ | so you can see 4.200 |
| 22:58.48 | Lydia_K | Correct |
| 22:58.53 | KatolaZ | so the problem is the NAT |
| 22:59.03 | KatolaZ | on 4.200 |
| 22:59.06 | KatolaZ | (probably) |
| 22:59.27 | KatolaZ | you are doing a SNAT? |
| 22:59.35 | Lydia_K | Possibly? But when I run tcpdump on 4.200 and try to ping 192.168.0.1 I get nothing. |
| 22:59.41 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 22:59.46 | KatolaZ | one step at a time :D |
| 22:59.50 | Lydia_K | LOL, sure |
| 22:59.52 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:59.53 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 22:59.58 | Lydia_K | Yeah, SNAT |
| 23:00.16 | KatolaZ | 3.x can get to 4.20 which should SNAT them to TheInternet(tm) through 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:00.24 | KatolaZ | ~4.200 |
| 23:00.33 | KatolaZ | now let's get on the other side |
| 23:00.44 | KatolaZ | does 4.200 see 192.168.0.1? |
| 23:00.50 | Lydia_K | yes |
| 23:01.01 | KatolaZ | (planty of silly questions, but I can't do much more than the rubber duck!) |
| 23:01.01 | Lydia_K | 4.200 works as expected (possibly not the NAT part) |
| 23:01.06 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 23:01.17 | KatolaZ | and 4.200 goes in TheInternet(tm) as well |
| 23:01.31 | KatolaZ | (so past 192,168.0.1) |
| 23:02.10 | Lydia_K | yes, more importantly, 4.200 talks to all the 192.168.x.x (the rest of the internal networking, where my package repos are and stuff) |
| 23:02.21 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:02.26 | Lydia_K | And AD authentication |
| 23:02.28 | KatolaZ | and to the internet as well |
| 23:02.34 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:02.42 | Lydia_K | Yes (sort of, it's not working now, but it will be later, ACI stuff) |
| 23:02.48 | KatolaZ | okok |
| 23:02.52 | KatolaZ | just in principle :) |
| 23:02.55 | Lydia_K | Correct :) |
| 23:03.04 | KatolaZ | so the problem should be in the SNAT on 4.200 |
| 23:03.16 | KatolaZ | quick check |
| 23:03.38 | Lydia_K | Seems most likely the answer. |
| 23:03.44 | KatolaZ | put a static route to 10.Y.3.x on 192.168.0.1 through 4.200 |
| 23:03.51 | KatolaZ | and do not do SNAT |
| 23:03.54 | KatolaZ | just FORWARD |
| 23:04.19 | Lydia_K | mmmm kay |
| 23:04.34 | KatolaZ | this should allow 192.168.0.1 to ping 10.Y.3.x |
| 23:04.36 | KatolaZ | 3.4 |
| 23:04.39 | KatolaZ | 3.76 |
| 23:04.41 | KatolaZ | 3.182 |
| 23:04.44 | KatolaZ | etc |
| 23:04.56 | KatolaZ | (while now 3.x should be unreachable from 192.168.0.1, right?) |
| 23:05.46 | Lydia_K | That makes sense. |
| 23:06.02 | Lydia_K | Ummm.. that's not gonna be accomplished quickly |
| 23:06.26 | KatolaZ | but you confirm you cannot ping anything into 3.x from 192.168.0.1, right? |
| 23:06.37 | KatolaZ | (at the moment, at least) |
| 23:07.01 | *** join/#devuan sauron (~quassel@2001:8b0:cac6:0:214:fdff:fe10:cc41) |
| 23:08.14 | Lydia_K | Well I can't add a static route to 3.x from a 192 box via 4.200 cause it says the network is unreachable. |
| 23:08.39 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 23:08.50 | KatolaZ | oh sure |
| 23:09.04 | KatolaZ | the guy that "talks" to 192.168.0.1 is 10.Y.4.1 !!! |
| 23:09.14 | Lydia_K | I think I need a fresh presepctive on this.. |
| 23:09.22 | Lydia_K | oh, good point |
| 23:09.24 | KatolaZ | so the route to 10.Y.3.x should go through 10.Y.4.1 |
| 23:09.29 | KatolaZ | from 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:09.37 | KatolaZ | I mean |
| 23:09.40 | Lydia_K | Same answer |
| 23:09.40 | KatolaZ | on 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:09.46 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 23:09.47 | Lydia_K | unreachable |
| 23:09.51 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 23:09.59 | KatolaZ | traceroute 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:10.03 | KatolaZ | from 4.200 |
| 23:10.07 | KatolaZ | what does it say? |
| 23:10.32 | Lydia_K | 10.236.4.1 -> 172.16.30.33 -> 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:10.44 | KatolaZ | wow |
| 23:10.49 | Lydia_K | This network is crazy |
| 23:10.50 | KatolaZ | you have another network in the middle |
| 23:10.52 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 23:11.01 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:11.07 | Lydia_K | I did not build it! |
| 23:11.12 | KatolaZ | no worries |
| 23:11.29 | KatolaZ | we are here to try to solve the problem not to blame anybody ;) |
| 23:11.33 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:11.33 | KatolaZ | so |
| 23:11.39 | Lydia_K | hey, before we moved 0.1 down to the other datacenter there was even more crap between the two |
| 23:11.54 | KatolaZ | if you ping 10.Y.4.200 from 192.168.0.1 you get a "network unreachable" |
| 23:11.57 | KatolaZ | but... |
| 23:12.10 | KatolaZ | 172.16.30.33 *knows* 10.Y.4.1 |
| 23:12.19 | Lydia_K | I can 10.Y.4.200 and 10.Y.4.1 from my 192 box |
| 23:12.21 | KatolaZ | and should have a route to 10.Y.4.x through it |
| 23:12.28 | Lydia_K | can't add a route to 10.236.3 though. |
| 23:12.36 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:13.08 | KatolaZ | you should have a route through 172.16.30.33 to 10.Y.4.0/24 on 192.168.0.1 then |
| 23:14.07 | KatolaZ | or oyu have a good wizard in that company :D |
| 23:14.12 | Lydia_K | on 192.168.0.1 I'm sure (I don't have access to that box, I'm going from my desktop which is on the 192 network) |
| 23:14.20 | KatolaZ | mmhh |
| 23:14.21 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:14.27 | KatolaZ | and your desktop? |
| 23:14.30 | Lydia_K | which I probably should have clearified before |
| 23:14.33 | Lydia_K | correct |
| 23:14.50 | KatolaZ | has just a default gw through 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:14.54 | Lydia_K | Correct |
| 23:15.07 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 23:15.30 | KatolaZ | the only missing bit is a route to 10.Y.3.x on 192.168.0.1 and on 172.16.30.33 |
| 23:15.43 | KatolaZ | (just to see if the problem is the SNAT) |
| 23:16.11 | Lydia_K | I think I'm gonna throw in the towel for tonight |
| 23:16.15 | Lydia_K | I need a beer and a train home. |
| 23:16.25 | Lydia_K | Thank you SO much for trying to help! |
| 23:16.35 | Lydia_K | I think you are right, I think it's the NAT |
| 23:16.35 | KatolaZ | no problem |
| 23:16.47 | KatolaZ | sorry for not being able to help more :| |
| 23:17.12 | Lydia_K | and I suspect the magic ACI 4.1 gateway won't work with packets from 3.x, which would make sense in ACI world. |
| 23:17.21 | KatolaZ | the discussion actually helped me nailing down a few things about the installer for the minimal live image :) |
| 23:17.32 | Lydia_K | so both of them don't work, which would give me the results I've been observing. |
| 23:17.41 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 23:17.41 | Lydia_K | LOL, really? How is that exactly? |
| 23:18.10 | KatolaZ | well, you can think to more than two thing when you are on IRC... :D |
| 23:18.21 | KatolaZ | ~things (at the same time) |
| 23:18.24 | Lydia_K | True, I'm just wondering how it helped. |
| 23:18.25 | KatolaZ | latency helps |
| 23:18.40 | KatolaZ | well, you forced me not to go to bed, and I had time to think :D |
| 23:18.57 | Lydia_K | hahaha, well I'm glad you got something out of it. |
| 23:19.09 | Lydia_K | I feel bad for spamming the channel, should have moved to PM |
| 23:19.29 | KatolaZ | so I have now to put down at least a sketch of the code before I go tosleep |
| 23:19.35 | KatolaZ | yes you're right! |
| 23:19.37 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 23:19.54 | KatolaZ | next time! |
| 23:20.02 | Lydia_K | Thanks again! |
| 23:20.07 | Lydia_K | I'm gonna drink my routing woes away |
| 23:20.20 | KatolaZ | ahahahah |
| 23:20.31 | KatolaZ | SYL |
| 23:21.29 | golinux | WHEW! That was a marathon! |
| 23:22.24 | KatolaZ | sorry golinux |
| 23:22.32 | KatolaZ | we should have moved in PM :( |
| 23:23.05 | golinux | No apologies necessary. I didn't understand one letter or digit of it |
| 23:23.33 | golinux | Might as well have been Kilngon! |
| 23:23.50 | KatolaZ | well, it *was* Klingon :P |
| 23:23.52 | golinux | Klingon, of course |
| 23:24.04 | golinux | :) |
| 23:24.14 | KatolaZ | ah |
| 23:24.19 | KatolaZ | while you are here |
| 23:24.27 | golinux | Ohoh . . . |
| 23:24.37 | golinux | waits for the hammer to drop |
| 23:24.45 | KatolaZ | do we have a "light" splashscreen that I can use for the bootsplash in the devuan minimal live? |
| 23:25.06 | golinux | What do you mean by light? |
| 23:25.09 | KatolaZ | should have said "bright" |
| 23:25.12 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 23:25.14 | KatolaZ | very bright |
| 23:25.17 | KatolaZ | whitish |
| 23:25.25 | KatolaZ | it's for visually impaired users |
| 23:26.04 | *** join/#devuan cdanderson42 (~nuhrin@67.170.89.70) |
| 23:26.07 | KatolaZ | (I mean, that would help some visually impaired users) |
| 23:26.26 | golinux | Ah. I can whip one up in a few minutes if you'll be around that long |
| 23:26.40 | KatolaZ | well I don't need it immediately |
| 23:26.42 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 23:26.56 | KatolaZ | just wondered whether we have someting we can use for that purpose |
| 23:27.05 | golinux | OK. I'll do it later then. |
| 23:27.11 | KatolaZ | thanks! |
| 23:27.30 | golinux | We have an icy nut not a light purple one. |
| 23:27.37 | golinux | But |
| 23:28.14 | KatolaZ | it should be bright |
| 23:28.23 | KatolaZ | maybe brighter than the greenish one |
| 23:28.47 | KatolaZ | just think about it |
| 23:28.52 | KatolaZ | pls |
| 23:28.57 | golinux | I thought that purpy would be OK for visually impaired. stevelitt doesn't have a problem with it. |
| 23:29.06 | ksx4system | thinks about modding his workstation case to have illuminated Devuan logo |
| 23:29.08 | golinux | Geuss it depends on the impairment |
| 23:29.08 | KatolaZ | mmhhh |
| 23:29.11 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 23:29.32 | KatolaZ | I am in contact with the people in the linux-speakup project |
| 23:29.36 | KatolaZ | thanks to greg nowak |
| 23:29.47 | KatolaZ | and they are providing a lot of feedback for the minimal live |
| 23:30.02 | golinux | Ah good. He and I have also communicated a bit |
| 23:30.14 | KatolaZ | I have poor experience in accessibility, so I am studying and learning a lot |
| 23:30.28 | KatolaZ | seems a good lad |
| 23:31.10 | golinux | Indeed |
| 23:31.27 | golinux | This is for web p-ages bu might be helpful http://www.cynthiasays.com/ |
| 23:32.01 | golinux | hellekin found this http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ |
| 23:32.56 | KatolaZ | ok but we don't have that much graphics in the minimal live |
| 23:32.59 | KatolaZ | mostly console |
| 23:33.31 | KatolaZ | I was asked if we can but a brighter splashscreen at boot prompt |
| 23:33.34 | KatolaZ | that's it! |
| 23:34.36 | golinux | That's something entirely different! |
| 23:35.03 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 23:35.27 | KatolaZ | just a bright screen with bright colors will do the trick |
| 23:35.43 | golinux | Maybe the font could made bigger. The color needs to be consistent with the theming |
| 23:36.06 | KatolaZ | well, there is no theme at all |
| 23:36.09 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 23:36.10 | golinux | Unless you can add an option for visually impaired |
| 23:36.17 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 23:36.34 | golinux | I need a sec too |
| 23:36.35 | KatolaZ | it's just the splashscreen that appears at the isolinux boot prompt |
| 23:36.43 | KatolaZ | just that |
| 23:36.52 | KatolaZ | then everything goes to a dark console |
| 23:36.57 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 23:39.04 | golinux | Does it look like this? |
| 23:39.20 | golinux | http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/boot.png |
| 23:40.20 | golinux | Or is it the other boot screen. Let me find it |
| 23:40.42 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 23:40.48 | KatolaZ | that is for grub |
| 23:40.58 | KatolaZ | anyway |
| 23:41.05 | KatolaZ | I gotta go now |
| 23:41.20 | KatolaZ | (and it's not as bright as maybe needed) |
| 23:41.25 | KatolaZ | let's think about it |
| 23:41.27 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 23:41.31 | KatolaZ | 'night! |
| 23:42.16 | golinux | http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/installer-boot.png |
| 23:42.36 | golinux | is too slow. :( |
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| 23:53.52 | NewGnuGuy | jaromil: I can't find a link to the GNUinos source on gnuinos.org anywhere. I also don't see a link to a forum or IRC for the distro on the site either. Do you know where to find those? |
