| 00:00.02 | crhylove | Hey guys! So, pretty danged happy with the beta so far! I have an issue though. |
| 00:00.35 | crhylove | When hooked up over HDMI-DVI connection from a TV to a laptop, once the screen goes off, it won't come on until I unplug and replug the HDMI cable from the TV. |
| 00:01.46 | crhylove | I'm going to disable powering off the screen in Power Management for now and see how that goes... |
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| 00:42.01 | crhylove | Is apt-get autoremove missing? It says invalid operation. |
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| 01:39.30 | anotherrandomnic | I've reached the point of getting rather PO'd, currently I'm still using the Debian bug DB since I'm still dealing with systems using "proper" Debian, but I imagine Devuan will be effected as well https://bugs.debian.org/588675 |
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| 07:59.50 | hellekin | crhylove: I just used apt-get autoremove |
| 08:10.41 | crhylove | wtf then? :) |
| 08:13.20 | crhylove | Shit... Dumb syntax issue. I better get a new sysadmin job before I get even rustier. To be fair, I'm used to lmde even more so than stock debian, and the script works perfectly there. *facepalm. At least I fixed it. :D |
| 08:16.42 | Inocuous | why do I need avahi-daemon to be running all the time? |
| 08:17.14 | Inocuous | is it monitoring usb ports? |
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| 08:26.57 | Inocuous | various help pages conflict on location of avahi-daemon.conf as well as respawn options. |
| 08:35.40 | hellekin | Inocuous: do you *need* avahi-daemon at all? |
| 08:36.52 | KatolaZ | aurrently installing devuan on a new laptop |
| 08:36.56 | KatolaZ | ucurently |
| 08:37.08 | hellekin | KatolaZ: got it ;) |
| 08:37.09 | KatolaZ | hope there will be no problems with UEFI.... |
| 08:37.33 | hellekin | 's laptop is using UEFI |
| 08:37.38 | KatolaZ | oh great |
| 08:37.53 | KatolaZ | it's encouraging |
| 08:38.11 | KatolaZ | the first attempt from expert install failed though... |
| 08:38.28 | KatolaZ | (I tried ascii...) |
| 08:39.14 | KatolaZ | there is a missed dependency of libpam-systemd from systemd |
| 08:39.29 | KatolaZ | hellekin: where is the best place to open issues related to ascii? |
| 08:41.45 | hellekin | KatolaZ: depends... If you know it's related to a package, and that package is in devuan-packages, then use the project's. If the package is not there or you don't know which package is affected, use devuan/devuan-project/issues |
| 08:41.57 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 08:42.06 | Inocuous | what is the method to turn it of or remove until such time as it seems I do need it? I do need to add usb devices at times. I just don't know if that's the control for it. |
| 08:42.06 | KatolaZ | we gotta reorganise this probably |
| 08:42.12 | hellekin | is looking for ASCII tag |
| 08:42.19 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 08:42.45 | KatolaZ | we can't ask users to browse our gitlab |
| 08:42.50 | hellekin | KatolaZ: this should be automated. If you say package is X, then it's easy to figure out whether it's in devuan-packages or not |
| 08:43.07 | KatolaZ | yes *I* know :) |
| 08:43.38 | hellekin | KatolaZ: to simplify, you can use devuan/devuan-project/issues, and let triage happen |
| 08:43.53 | KatolaZ | yep I am not talking about me :) |
| 08:44.11 | KatolaZ | but about a generic user who wants to report " a bug" |
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| 08:47.45 | hellekin | KatolaZ: I'd say the same. But we need to figure out integration with debbugs anyway. That'll be the opportunity to provide a single entry point for bug reports I guess. |
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| 08:48.04 | KatolaZ | sure |
| 08:48.48 | KatolaZ | we don't have support for reportbug so far, right? |
| 08:50.45 | hellekin | nope |
| 08:52.51 | hellekin | KatolaZ: I added "Suite: ..." labels in devuan/devuan-project |
| 08:53.08 | KatolaZ | great hellekin! |
| 08:53.11 | KatolaZ | thanks |
| 08:53.16 | Inocuous | I'm assuming debian instructions would help in disabling avahi. I'll google it. |
| 08:54.12 | hellekin | Inocuous: update-rc.d -f avahi-daemon remove? |
| 08:55.17 | Inocuous | there was a footnote on the help page that I found that said this would not work on debian based. I'll try it and see for sure. |
| 08:56.47 | Inocuous | does it require a restart to take effect? or will logging out be enough? |
| 08:56.57 | hellekin | neither I think |
| 08:57.15 | Inocuous | ok. I"ll do a netstat and see |
| 08:57.23 | hellekin | you can `pkill avahi` if you have some dangling |
| 08:57.56 | hellekin | or use /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop before all this ;) |
| 08:59.11 | Inocuous | ok. that seems to have removed all instances of it. |
| 09:00.16 | Inocuous | this update-rc.d -f avahi-daemon remove <- changes config so it will not run again unless turned back on? |
| 09:02.33 | Inocuous | anyway, thanks for the help. appreciated. |
| 09:03.20 | Inocuous | When I see things running, I don't know what they are or why they are they I wonder if I've been hacked or something. Once bitten. |
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| 09:19.39 | KatolaZ | ok, installation of Jessie on UEFI boring and successful :D |
| 09:19.42 | KatolaZ | bbl |
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| 10:11.24 | lupin3rd | hi all. i have a problem with samba-common package... |
| 10:12.26 | lupin3rd | in apt i have samba-common 4.1.17 |
| 10:13.03 | lupin3rd | but all others samba package is 4.2.10 |
| 10:13.52 | lupin3rd | then if i install samba-client or others i have an error because samba-common is unavaible |
| 10:14.23 | lupin3rd | anyone with same issue? |
| 10:15.09 | lupin3rd | (i'm using jessie-security and jessie-backports) |
| 10:17.01 | debdog | $ aptitude show samba | grep Version |
| 10:17.01 | debdog | Version: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 |
| 10:17.21 | debdog | on jessie |
| 10:18.13 | lupin3rd | Version: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3 |
| 10:18.34 | debdog | hmm |
| 10:19.50 | lupin3rd | apt-cache madison samba |
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| 10:20.32 | lupin3rd | apt-cache madison samba-common |
| 10:20.32 | lupin3rd | samba-common | 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 | http://it.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages |
| 10:20.32 | lupin3rd | samba-common | 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 | http://it.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main amd64 Packages |
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| 10:21.30 | lupin3rd | seem that in jessie-security there are all samba* 4.2.10 .... but not samba-common |
| 10:22.24 | debdog | for some reason I don't have security in my sources.list |
| 10:22.41 | debdog | mayhap they're in process of updateing that. |
| 10:27.33 | lupin3rd | i don't know... i install this system two days ago...and same problem |
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| 10:32.21 | lupin3rd | seem a problem in devuan security repo... in debian there is the file http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/s/samba/samba-common_4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3_all.deb |
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| 11:50.09 | ksx4system | â® ksx4system@luna ~ â® $ apt-cache madison samba-common | grep security |
| 11:50.09 | ksx4system | samba-common | 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 | http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main amd64 Packages |
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| 12:50.50 | hellekin | duh. People comig, flooding the channel, and leaving before they have an answer. |
| 12:59.07 | fbt | hellekin, But I didn't het an answer in under 15 minutes! THE CHANNEL'S DEAD! |
| 12:59.50 | debdog | just out of curiousity, what would have been the proper reply there? |
| 13:00.32 | fbt | Kittens. It's always the proper reply |
| 13:02.51 | hellekin | fbt: no it's not. People have lives. Anyway, see https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/61 |
| 13:03.25 | fbt | hellekin, it was a joke |
| 13:04.00 | fbt | The extreme of that is people coming into a channel, not getting a response in under 5 minutes and leaving :) |
| 13:05.07 | fbt | Obviously everyone on the channel must have activity notifications for channel messages in the form of their butler politely but insistently notifying them of a person in need of help! |
| 13:09.19 | hellekin | has 155 irssi windows open |
| 13:12.16 | jaromil | has an autoclose after ttl plugin for weechat |
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| 15:34.18 | Inocuous | I have cupsd listening on my tcp/tcp6 ports, do I need this for a user desktop? All I'm doing with printers is occasionally printing a page or two. |
| 15:44.38 | fsmithred | Inocuous, I'm pretty sure you do need it; cupsd uses port 631 |
| 15:44.58 | fsmithred | you could turn the service off and on as needed |
| 15:45.55 | Inocuous | ok. that's cool. I didn't really know what I was doing when I did the initial install so just checking. |
| 15:47.39 | Inocuous | thanks fsmithred |
| 15:47.48 | fsmithred | yw |
| 15:50.38 | Inocuous | I have exim4 also listening but I'm pretty sure it's not set up to send or receive, at least not correctly. |
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| 15:58.38 | fsmithred | it'll send and receive system messages |
| 15:58.54 | fsmithred | or email that you want to send to yourself or other users on your system |
| 15:59.18 | fsmithred | less /var/spool/mail/Inocuous or something like that |
| 16:03.23 | Inocuous | I use online mail exclusively for years, yahoo and hotmail. but I'm pretty sure that when I've clicked on email links since installing devuan that it's sent it thru linux util, editor vi I think and then on send it tries to use exim4 |
| 16:04.24 | Inocuous | what I'm reading seems to indicate I need to make some system settings to link to yahoo or whatever. |
| 16:06.51 | hellekin | Inocuous: if you're using an external mail server, leave this alone: as fsmithred wrote, it's used by the system (e.g., apt or cron notifications, etc.) Try running `mail` as root |
| 16:15.37 | Inocuous | well, there are still set up issues. I guess it can wait for another day. |
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| 16:25.26 | fsmithred | Inocuous, if you use an email client, such as icedove or claws, you should be able to set the browser up to use that application. |
| 16:25.52 | fsmithred | and you can set up the email client to use your yahoo or hotmail. Check their directions for settings. |
| 16:28.14 | Inocuous | which of these two would you recommend fsmithred, icedove or claws? |
| 16:30.53 | fsmithred | icedove=thunderbird |
| 16:31.11 | fsmithred | go look at some screenshots of each |
| 16:31.30 | fsmithred | there's also sylpheed, which is almost the same as claws |
| 16:31.46 | fsmithred | have you ever used an email client? outlook express, maybe? |
| 16:32.14 | Inocuous | I have used thunderbird and I used to use outlook express. it's been a while tho |
| 16:32.39 | fsmithred | there's more likely to be directions for thunderbird than for claws |
| 16:32.58 | fsmithred | you use imap or pop on your yahoo/hotmail accounts? |
| 16:33.14 | Inocuous | I would have to check it to remember exactly. |
| 16:34.17 | fsmithred | ok, just keep in mind, if it's pop, pay attention to the settings for what happens to the mail when it gets downloaded to your computer. It will likely delete what's on the server, so it might not still be there if you go back to it in a browser. |
| 16:35.00 | Inocuous | yes. that sounds familiar. about five years ago I used a system like that. |
| 16:36.23 | Inocuous | yahoo used to charge a fee to let you get your mail using those settings. I think they have stopped doing that. |
| 16:36.34 | fsmithred | oh yeah, I remember that |
| 16:36.50 | fsmithred | and yes, I've downloaded my yahoo mail without paying them |
| 16:37.04 | fsmithred | couple years ago |
| 16:37.57 | Inocuous | I think that goes way back like 15 years maybe. I'm dating myself. |
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| 16:54.00 | Inocuous | I've lost track of how many emails I actually have. I've had multiple twitter accounts and they all want a unique email. plus other uses, to prevent spam. |
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| 17:27.54 | figlfdev | smiles at hellekin (the channels still dead!) ;) |
| 17:33.09 | figlfdev | re: earlier... a devuan spaceship would make a "corporate" edition unnecessary, i think (at the very least in terms of cool points) |
| 17:35.14 | figlfdev | theres the obvious caveat that we should probably stick with the current plans, unless the spaceship reaches "stable" first |
| 17:39.59 | Lydia_K | devuan spaceship? I dunno.. I've played Kerbal Space Program, those never end well. |
| 17:42.59 | Inocuous | Ubuntu has some space shooting game in the repo, it's not that great as I recall. |
| 17:45.30 | figlfdev | Lydia_K: a lasting campaign would probably require a RAIS or at least a cluster |
| 17:46.28 | Lydia_K | RAIS? |
| 17:46.32 | figlfdev | we could get some tips from jeff lynne, they used to set them up and break them down in the early days of unix |
| 17:46.40 | figlfdev | redundant array of inexpensive ships |
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| 17:49.35 | figlfdev | thinks this would be a suitable model: http://www.kengrammer.com/eloships/ELOWallpaper4.jpg (of course youd have to change the letters to "vua") |
| 17:51.43 | Lydia_K | haha, neat |
| 18:04.49 | Inocuous | elo? is that Electric Light Orchestra? classic. |
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| 18:12.22 | figlfdev | inocuous: one of my faves |
| 18:13.12 | Inocuous | high fives figlfdev |
| 18:13.26 | figlfdev | o/* |
| 18:14.02 | Inocuous | they didn't last long but, classics. That's my era. |
| 18:14.11 | Inocuous | yes. I'm old. |
| 18:15.18 | figlfdev | i consider them a continuation of the beatles. and thats even without counting later collaboration between lynne and harrison |
| 18:16.00 | figlfdev | so just to pretend this is on-topic, when the beatles folded, others continued. kind of like devuan (tada) |
| 18:17.00 | Inocuous | nice. lol. Elo is the Devuan of music. I like it. :) |
| 18:17.36 | figlfdev | that makes jaromil adrian belew, i think (?) |
| 18:18.47 | figlfdev | notes that these metaphors come with NO WARRANTY |
| 18:19.40 | figlfdev | my first copy of devuan WAS on a dvd though. so... ? |
| 18:21.08 | figlfdev | really hates to leave on such an off-topic, but somethings come up |
| 18:21.22 | Inocuous | :( |
| 18:21.27 | figlfdev | i will try to be back soon |
| 18:21.38 | Inocuous | we'll right the ship. :) |
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| 19:25.40 | figlfdev | refracta in ram again, this time on a 64bit machine |
| 19:25.53 | figlfdev | o/ Inocuous |
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| 19:44.24 | figlfdev | does anyone else have to add an ipv4 address to /etc/hosts prior to running apt-get update? |
| 19:44.49 | figlfdev | sometimes i get stuck on the ipv6 lookup otherwise. (i figure this is an american thing, you never know though) |
| 19:45.49 | figlfdev | so i just nslookup us.mirror.devuan.org and paste the ip into /etc/hosts followed by "us.mirror.devuan.org" on the same line, and then it works fine |
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| 19:52.06 | tmyklebu | you can just disable ipv6 in your kernel config. |
| 19:52.09 | fsmithred | figlfdev, that sounds like a pain. I use ipv6.disable=1 at boot. |
| 19:52.17 | tmyklebu | heh. |
| 19:52.33 | figlfdev | well its in refracta that this is happening :) |
| 19:52.50 | fsmithred | I don't think I'm missing anything by doing that. |
| 19:52.52 | figlfdev | though i figured id check other devuan users for the same issue, cause im not saying its refractas fault |
| 19:52.56 | fsmithred | yeah, it's not default. |
| 19:53.05 | fsmithred | same as in debian. |
| 19:53.22 | figlfdev | i dont think this happened until the us.mirror change, but i cant say for sure because i always just route around it |
| 19:53.29 | figlfdev | so its more informational than "please fix this" |
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| 19:55.36 | figlfdev | security.debian.org does it too, but since i comment that out its a non-issue |
| 19:57.54 | fsmithred | I don't remember why I banished ipv6, but it fixed something. |
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| 20:04.38 | figlfdev | ipv6 is like hitting a fly with something that hits all flies, ever-- except the ones that are bothering you right now |
| 20:05.01 | figlfdev | those it somehow manages to miss! (for those, there is ipv4. and there can be only one...) |
| 20:05.27 | figlfdev | its a great idea, i wish it worked / was implemented / stopped getting in the way |
| 20:06.31 | Lydia_K | If the ipv6 addresses were not entire incomprehensible to humans it probably would have succeeded. |
| 20:07.03 | Lydia_K | *entirely |
| 20:07.37 | figlfdev | Lydia_K: there should be "human readable" ipv6. i dont know how many of these ###.###.###.###.### you would need |
| 20:08.02 | figlfdev | and it would be kind of stupid, because it wouldnt break up into masks properly. at least i dont think it would |
| 20:08.29 | Lydia_K | I don't claim to have the solution, but when your "address" looks like a perl script got run over by a truck people naturally don't want anything to do with it. |
| 20:08.34 | tmyklebu | shrug. to solve the immediate problem, they needed a fifth address octet. they could have used the existing fragmentation bits in the header. |
| 20:08.38 | figlfdev | you wouldnt need to change the standard, just the presentation. think ipv6 through prettyprint or something |
| 20:09.05 | figlfdev | tmyklebu: great idea |
| 20:09.18 | figlfdev | too late of course, but we know that much |
| 20:10.13 | tmyklebu | is it too late? ipv6 has been the internet protocol of the future for 20 years. i don't think that future is coming. |
| 20:10.28 | figlfdev | i believe the hype. it will be here "real soon now" |
| 20:10.39 | figlfdev | but id be just as happy if they used "your" idea. |
| 20:10.48 | figlfdev | so if its not too late, great. |
| 20:11.00 | figlfdev | wishes al gore could fix this |
| 20:11.29 | tmyklebu | heh. |
| 20:12.41 | Lydia_K | Al Gore would make the fifth octet solar powered, making the internet a greener place. |
| 20:12.45 | figlfdev | i also was told that europe already has ipv6 working and theyre just waiting for usa to catch up |
| 20:12.59 | tmyklebu | shrug. |
| 20:13.03 | tmyklebu | ipv6 works. it just kinda sucks. |
| 20:13.31 | minnesotags | topro, I have a working OpenStack, with working CEPH on a Devuan server and it works perfectly without issue. |
| 20:13.31 | figlfdev | Lydia_K: the most important thing is that we switch the internet from coal-powered electric to electric-powered coal (its cleaner) |
| 20:13.46 | Lydia_K | "Clean coal" |
| 20:13.55 | figlfdev | green coal! |
| 20:14.03 | Lydia_K | (also, LOL at "electric-powered coal") |
| 20:14.28 | Inocuous | 99.8mb for icedove. |
| 20:15.23 | KatolaZ | minnesotags: thanks for reporting that |
| 20:15.55 | KatolaZ | there was a lot of distress yesterday on those damn CEPH init scripts :) |
| 20:16.19 | figlfdev | yeah but we found out that ceph (which no one has heard of) has a lot of fans here, including jaromil |
| 20:16.26 | figlfdev | so i think its sorted. long live devuan! |
| 20:16.28 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 20:16.42 | Lydia_K | I knew all about Ceph :p |
| 20:17.17 | Lydia_K | Anywho, I think tonight or this weekend I'm gonna write some crappy scripts to make that "genetic sysvinit script framework" that I talked about. |
| 20:17.20 | figlfdev | didnt even know what it was until a day or two ago |
| 20:17.39 | Lydia_K | Maybe including that will make people not worry about start/stop scripts. |
| 20:17.40 | figlfdev | some crappy scripts to make that "genetic sysvinit script framework" <- sounds awesome |
| 20:17.49 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 20:17.51 | KatolaZ | figlfdev: I bet we will always find somebody who already knows about something unheard-of to the rest of us :) |
| 20:17.56 | figlfdev | wasnt kidding |
| 20:18.10 | figlfdev | KatolaZ: how can that happen when together, we know EVERYTHING? |
| 20:18.31 | figlfdev | (or close enough.) |
| 20:18.48 | Lydia_K | figlfdev: supports start, stop, reload (HUP), and restart, puts a config file where you put the path to the daemon, and the options you want to pass it. Done. That covers 99% of needs. |
| 20:19.50 | figlfdev | Lydia_K: if i put it on a business card cd, can i wear it to ward off people from red hat? thats the main thing i need it for |
| 20:20.16 | Lydia_K | figlfdev: LOL! |
| 20:20.21 | figlfdev | also wonders if a cyan-colored hat would work |
| 20:21.10 | figlfdev | but whats the opposite of a fedora? |
| 20:21.20 | Lydia_K | Style? |
| 20:22.30 | figlfdev | never heard of it. |
| 20:22.58 | minnesotags | I am a total novice, but Ceph is bone simple to install and use. |
| 20:23.21 | figlfdev | is it easier than the other cluster management things? ive tried one, i couldnt make it work |
| 20:23.30 | minnesotags | It never would have occurred to me that something wouldn't work on Devuan. |
| 20:23.36 | figlfdev | wishes he knew the name. it was in the debian wheezy repos |
| 20:23.44 | figlfdev | minnesotags: well, gnome. |
| 20:23.51 | minnesotags | Like I say, it is incredibly simple. |
| 20:24.01 | figlfdev | you did say that |
| 20:24.02 | minnesotags | Lol, gnome. |
| 20:24.50 | minnesotags | I broke it a couple times in the beginning, but didn't have anything on it, so it wasn't a big deal. |
| 20:25.29 | figlfdev | ive broken one devuan install, but it worked for a long time even through multiple dist-upgrades |
| 20:25.56 | figlfdev | i think i could still get it working if grub wasnt screwing it up on dual-boot update-grub |
| 20:26.45 | minnesotags | Arrgh. I did have a problem with a grub install once. |
| 20:27.06 | minnesotags | What I mean is, I broke the ceph cluster. |
| 20:27.14 | figlfdev | it keeps insisting on linking the uuid of one partition to the /dev/sdx of another |
| 20:27.51 | figlfdev | ive tried deleting / editing / copying grub configs, everything. i hate grub2, but the others arent really "supported" |
| 20:28.05 | figlfdev | plus it almost always works as it should. |
| 20:28.36 | minnesotags | I can't remember what my problem was. It was back in February I think. |
| 20:33.51 | fsmithred | cyan mad-bomber cap |
| 20:34.27 | figlfdev | like a pork-pie? |
| 20:34.41 | fsmithred | no |
| 20:34.50 | fsmithred | I gotta find a picture? |
| 20:35.11 | figlfdev | dont do a search for that... |
| 20:35.17 | KatolaZ | figlfdev: interesting point yours :D |
| 20:35.29 | figlfdev | is just glad he had a point for once |
| 20:35.42 | KatolaZ | does any of you guys remember what was needed to pin systemd in ascii? |
| 20:35.48 | figlfdev | i know it changed |
| 20:35.53 | KatolaZ | yep, me too |
| 20:35.58 | figlfdev | fortunately i think fsmithred is an expert on this |
| 20:36.16 | fsmithred | not an expert, but I do have an ascii install that I could fire up and check |
| 20:36.17 | KatolaZ | I found the thread |
| 20:36.28 | figlfdev | otherwise, i have an ascii install on here (if i mount the drive) that might already be setup as it should be |
| 20:36.41 | fsmithred | other than that, I have jessie-backports and ascii pinned in jessie |
| 20:36.45 | figlfdev | because its very nice that amprolla protects us, but i like to pin it properly anyway |
| 20:37.45 | figlfdev | what id really like to do is go back in time and pin it in jessie testing, but alas |
| 20:38.27 | KatolaZ | I actually pinned it in jessie testing... |
| 20:38.29 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 20:39.01 | fsmithred | same here, and it was a pain in the ass before devuan existed |
| 20:39.20 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, what's the right way to pin that sucker in ascii? |
| 20:39.34 | KatolaZ | that's what I trying to find out |
| 20:39.36 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 20:39.42 | KatolaZ | since I am installing a new laptop |
| 20:39.44 | KatolaZ | with ascii |
| 20:39.49 | fsmithred | I've got Pin: origin "*" for *systemd* |
| 20:39.59 | fsmithred | but that's what I've been using all along in jessie |
| 20:40.04 | figlfdev | #Package: *temd* \n #Pin: release o=* \n #Pin-Priority: -1 |
| 20:40.11 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: but is this working with the new version of apt? |
| 20:40.18 | KatolaZ | apt-listchanges says that it won't |
| 20:40.21 | fsmithred | for libpam-systemd and libsystemd0, I have release n-* |
| 20:40.28 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 20:40.31 | KatolaZ | I will try that then |
| 20:40.33 | KatolaZ | tnx |
| 20:40.33 | fsmithred | no clue, I haven't upgraded in a while |
| 20:40.44 | figlfdev | i got that from adapting /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid-systemd so i dunno... |
| 20:41.04 | figlfdev | it might be up to date. im real curious these days |
| 20:41.29 | fsmithred | ah, no, in jessie I have origin "" |
| 20:41.33 | fsmithred | no star |
| 20:41.56 | figlfdev | sure is nice of them to change it |
| 20:42.12 | figlfdev | because it wasnt confusing enough yet |
| 20:43.16 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, no, it's not working. I have libsystemd0 pinned, and it's still installed. |
| 20:44.10 | minnesotags | Is there a current "howto" for migrating Debian Jessie to Devuan Jessie? |
| 20:44.13 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 20:44.20 | figlfdev | its kind of too bad that amprolla makes this unnecessary. because otherwise we might figure it out once and for all. |
| 20:44.48 | KatolaZ | seems that the email from Rainer on the 2nd of december ihas the answer |
| 20:44.53 | figlfdev | or at least once "until they screw it up again" |
| 20:45.03 | KatolaZ | I am checking in the documentation of apt_preferences |
| 20:45.08 | KatolaZ | and seems like that |
| 20:47.09 | KatolaZ | the prpoblem is that libsystemd0 is there |
| 20:47.30 | figlfdev | that i can get rid of |
| 20:47.38 | figlfdev | sometimes it comes back, but only when i want it to |
| 20:47.52 | figlfdev | or rather when its "worth it" to have some sdl crap or something |
| 20:48.12 | figlfdev | wrote something that optionally wants sdl crap |
| 20:48.14 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 20:48.15 | KatolaZ | no panic |
| 20:48.28 | KatolaZ | there is already a pin in preferences.d |
| 20:48.30 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:48.35 | figlfdev | does it work? :) |
| 20:48.46 | figlfdev | and how is it written this time? |
| 20:48.49 | fsmithred | wow, I don't know how I installed this, but trying to remove libsytemd0 wants to take all of xorg with it. |
| 20:49.20 | figlfdev | thinks xorg-legacy (or whatever its called) disappeared from the repos too |
| 20:49.46 | figlfdev | "debian stable" is now an oxymoron |
| 20:50.03 | figlfdev | its like they voted to switch to sid for everything |
| 20:50.26 | fsmithred | i xserver-xorg-legacy - setuid root Xorg server wrapper |
| 20:50.34 | figlfdev | checks |
| 20:50.43 | muep | my impression is that they still mostly forbid changing versions of stuff in stable releases |
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| 20:51.45 | figlfdev | apt-get update && apt-cache search xserver-xorg-legacy | wc -l # is returning 0 |
| 20:52.06 | figlfdev | muep: im sure youre right |
| 20:52.57 | muep | though I guess there are some exceptions, like firefox and maybe chromium |
| 20:53.21 | figlfdev | well chromium and firefox both now "help install" things without telling you |
| 20:53.32 | figlfdev | unless having a setting buried in about:config counts as "telling you" |
| 20:53.34 | fsmithred | figlfdev, you get anything for apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-legacy |
| 20:53.50 | figlfdev | i have security.debian.org commented out, could that be it? |
| 20:54.03 | KatolaZ | ok dpkg -l | grep -i systemd | wc -l returns 0 |
| 20:54.04 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:54.09 | KatolaZ | but I have no X so far |
| 20:54.21 | fsmithred | so do I |
| 20:54.44 | figlfdev | apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-legacy #### N: Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-legacy |
| 20:54.56 | figlfdev | its not important, im just curious where it went. |
| 20:55.00 | KatolaZ | (on ascii, though) |
| 20:55.06 | fsmithred | just using us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main |
| 20:55.17 | figlfdev | ohhh, ascii |
| 20:55.31 | figlfdev | sorry! (sigh) im using refracta |
| 20:55.48 | figlfdev | jessie repos. |
| 20:55.52 | figlfdev | THATS why :P |
| 20:55.54 | KatolaZ | no mine is a genuine ascii |
| 20:56.03 | KatolaZ | upgraded from a genuine Devuan jessie |
| 20:56.27 | fsmithred | aptitude why libsystemd0 |
| 20:56.27 | fsmithred | i rpcbind Depends libsystemd0 |
| 20:58.49 | figlfdev | is going to try to pm-suspend refracta on a 64bit machine that HATES to pm-suspend |
| 20:59.20 | figlfdev | if i come back, it worked. (if i dont, it failed or i couldnt get past the captcha again) |
| 20:59.28 | figlfdev | o/ |
| 20:59.46 | KatolaZ | also nfs-related stuff depends on libsystemd |
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| 21:05.17 | figlfdev | that wasnt what i expected |
| 21:05.31 | figlfdev | i ran pm-suspend and it just restarted x and/or xfce |
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| 21:05.55 | figlfdev | thats better than what it often does on this machine, which is crash so only holding powerbutton shuts it off |
| 21:06.24 | figlfdev | but ive successfully suspended it under jessie alpha-- not in a while (im sure its a kernel thing) |
| 21:06.35 | fsmithred | restarted X meaning it logged you out of your desktop? |
| 21:06.51 | figlfdev | uname -a # Linux refracta 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:07.02 | figlfdev | it logged me out and immediately came back to the desktop, afaict |
| 21:07.25 | figlfdev | it showed the login screen, then (as usual in refracta) skipped it and went back to xfce |
| 21:08.14 | figlfdev | this is a finnicky cheap 64bit machine. low-power, no real hdd running from usb |
| 21:08.17 | fsmithred | oh, I haven't tried suspend while running live, just with installation |
| 21:08.28 | figlfdev | but i was curious, so i thought id try it |
| 21:08.51 | figlfdev | ask aitor if he has any tips. i also run gnuinos a lot |
| 21:09.37 | figlfdev | though for live, im probably going to be doing refracta mostly (i have gnuinos and various versions of devuan installed) |
| 21:13.00 | figlfdev | notes that of the devuan derivs listed on http://devuan.org -- only gnuinos and refracta have 32bit versions (currently) |
| 21:13.34 | figlfdev | at least from the looks of the download pages for nelum, star, and zephyr |
| 21:14.45 | fsmithred | are they new distros, or did they change over from debian? |
| 21:15.12 | figlfdev | havent read that far into them. theyre simply listed on the devuan page |
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| 21:17.30 | figlfdev | i wanted to try another derivative today, but im VERY slow to check out anything that doesnt support 32bit, even though i can |
| 21:18.52 | figlfdev | in any case, refracta is working pretty nicely still (32bit on 64bit machine, live) |
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