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| 00:34.50 | somerandomnick | At this point may need an announcement about the security repository problem being known and worked on so people don't start thinking the project is dead... |
| 00:39.56 | debdog | to quote Douglas Adams: DON'T PANIC |
| 00:44.24 | golinux | debdog: Indeed. somerandomdick is a bit of a drama queen |
| 00:44.44 | golinux | Oops. Sorry for the typo |
| 00:44.59 | debdog | hrrhrr |
| 00:45.08 | debdog | almost missed that |
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| 01:00.35 | minnesotags | Uh, I don't think there is anything wrong with a less cryptic message than: "Release file for http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1d 2h 57min 39s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 01:03.00 | somerandomnick | Such a thing suggests someone is missing from the helm, which can make one wonder whether people are jumping off the ship... (it hasn't been that long yet, but some people may be wondering...) |
| 01:03.57 | djph | or, someone's on vacation? |
| 01:04.58 | djph | or got called away (sick mom, etc.) or has a day job that ruined the weekend ... or ... |
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| 02:09.22 | pydsigner | It's not like he asked for a fix yesterday |
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| 02:09.37 | pydsigner | Just a "hey we know we're working on it" |
| 02:09.54 | pydsigner | That takes like 3 minutes less time than it does to make up a pun about a nick |
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| 02:41.53 | const | Hello there. I'm new to devuan. I'm using devuan-ascii with kde-plasma-5. I have a problem with the network-manager, I can' t find it |
| 02:42.26 | Xenguy | I think network is managed by wicd ? |
| 02:42.54 | Xenguy | But I don't use kde, so not sure |
| 02:43.30 | const | let me check |
| 02:45.32 | const | i'm installing it right now, any reason why it isn' t install by default as network manager for gnome? |
| 02:46.24 | Xenguy | It may have to do with systemd dependencies, but again, I don't really know for sure... |
| 02:46.48 | Xenguy | I mentioned wicd, cos that is the default in the DE I tried, namely MATE |
| 02:47.10 | Chanku | You can use that one thing that one guy made for Devuan...forget it's name though |
| 02:47.38 | const | well I gues you're right about the dependency |
| 02:48.28 | const | When I tried to install plasma-nm, a dependency error occurs because libpam-systemd is not being installed |
| 02:49.03 | const | what "one thing" do you refer to? |
| 02:49.20 | Chanku | I forgot it's name |
| 02:49.34 | Chanku | So it's not that much help...but I remember it actually being somewhat decent |
| 02:49.48 | Chanku | (Don't use it though. I Just use if(up/down) |
| 02:49.49 | Chanku | ) |
| 02:50.56 | const | but is it like a network-manager without systemd dependency? |
| 02:51.01 | Chanku | Yes |
| 02:51.05 | Chanku | well if(up/down) isn't |
| 02:51.10 | Chanku | but the program I was talking about was/is |
| 02:52.04 | Xenguy | I actually quite like wicd, which I haven't used before now |
| 02:52.15 | const | well wicd looks good enough I will give it try |
| 02:52.22 | Xenguy | Dunno how well it integrates with KDE tho |
| 02:53.25 | Chanku | doesn't see the use for DE's or those programs, but it's your system |
| 02:54.22 | const | chanku, Can you repeat the last messages, I wen offline for a moment |
| 02:54.49 | Chanku | doesn't see the use for DE's or those programs, but it's your system |
| 02:54.52 | Chanku | that was me |
| 02:54.56 | Chanku | <Xenguy> Dunno how well it integrates with KDE tho |
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| 02:59.09 | const | Xenguy, can you extend a little bit what you do with ifup? |
| 02:59.33 | Xenguy | Maybe you meant that for Chanku ? |
| 02:59.55 | const | my bad |
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| 03:06.20 | Chanku | Sorry about that |
| 03:10.08 | Chanku | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/ |
| 03:10.27 | Chanku | that contains a lot of info on the network interfaces file which is used by ifup/down |
| 03:11.44 | Xenguy | Be aware that such a file will overide wicd et. al. network management |
| 03:12.43 | Xenguy | So if you are content to rely on the GUI for network connectivity, the lazy approach is to let wicd (et. al.) handle it |
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| 03:16.08 | const | allright got it |
| 03:16.54 | const | I will look into the ifup thing to have a backup plan in any case then |
| 03:19.48 | Xenguy | I don't know how others handle it, but for years I used a hand-configured /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 03:21.17 | Xenguy | More recently I let wicd handle that, but I do keep the hand-configured files within reach, so in the case my GUI ever crashes, I can arrange for network connectivity :-) |
| 03:22.19 | const | yeah backup plans are sometimes good to have specially when testing a new system |
| 03:23.07 | const | did you configure vpn also with network files? |
| 03:23.58 | Xenguy | I've never had occasion to use a vpn, except for work |
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| 03:56.44 | somerandomnick | /etc/network/interfaces files seem darn easy to modify by hand, meanwhile getting interesting network setups handled by anything on top of ifup/ifdown was impossible last time I'd tried it. |
| 04:00.09 | pydsigner | I'm pretty confident network manager can be run without systemd |
| 04:00.15 | pydsigner | However, it might require shims |
| 04:00.44 | pydsigner | And I don't know if devuan believes in systemd shims |
| 04:02.07 | MinceR | afaik it does not |
| 04:02.22 | MinceR | that was the debian way |
| 04:11.54 | Chanku | somerandomnick, define interesting network setups |
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| 04:29.23 | somerandomnick | Does any of the tools on top support VLANs? |
| 04:29.37 | somerandomnick | Do any of them support interesting routes? |
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| 04:34.35 | somerandomnick | Do any of them support aliases on top of VLANs? |
| 04:35.27 | Xenguy | Surely you'd have to hand-configure that kind of thing, no? |
| 04:35.39 | Xenguy | At a low level I mean |
| 04:36.53 | somerandomnick | Everything is on top of ifup/ifdown, guess some of the interesting routing table entries are done via up/down commands, but most of the rest is ifup/ifdown. |
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| 08:48.44 | flrn | hello there! does anybody know what's wrong with the jessie-security repo? i get the following error when 'apt-get update'ing: |
| 08:48.53 | flrn | E: Release file for http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1d 10h 30min 1s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 08:49.14 | flrn | still waiting for the libcurl3 update! |
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| 09:31.23 | flrn | OK, so I moved back to security.debian.org and finally got also the pending updates for tar and bind9 |
| 09:32.05 | flrn | WTF? |
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| 10:12.56 | Hestben | flrn: I remember somebody else talking about it in the chat yesterday (24 hours ago). |
| 10:13.10 | Hestben | flrn: Don't remember if there was a solution. |
| 10:14.00 | flrn | Hestben: security.debian.org in my sources.list solved it for my amd64 box |
| 10:15.30 | Hestben | flrn: Good. I wonder if the devuan admins/devs/maintainers will fix the original issue any time soon |
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| 10:18.52 | flrn | Hestben: thanks, found it at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
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| 10:26.53 | flrn | there's a workaround mentioned in the backlog, which fixes it for my armhf box (security.debian.org didn't): |
| 10:26.57 | flrn | apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update |
| 10:28.15 | flrn | The following packages will be upgraded: bind9-host curl dnsutils libbind9-90 libcurl3 libdns-export100 lilibisccc90 libisccfg-export90 libisccfg90 liblwres90 tarbdns100 libirs-export91 libisc-export95 libisc95 |
| 10:28.19 | flrn | lol |
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| 12:36.25 | _spOOn_ | anyone about? |
| 12:37.09 | _spOOn_ | question re an advanced install, and getting failed to determine codename for the release.... |
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| 14:52.19 | Xenguy | I finally tried the alleged workaround this morning: apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update && apt-get upgrade -s |
| 14:52.49 | Xenguy | But there were no upgrades offered... |
| 14:52.51 | Xenguy | Calculating upgrade... Done |
| 14:52.52 | Xenguy | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 14:54.50 | Xenguy | So back to waiting for whoever can fix this, to do so |
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| 15:07.52 | aitor | hi |
| 15:09.00 | aitor | you have been talking about network-management |
| 15:09.59 | aitor | i'm rewriting the frontend of simple-netaid: |
| 15:10.11 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid/ |
| 15:10.41 | aitor | i'm using a new icon: |
| 15:10.42 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid/SimpleNetaid.png |
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| 15:13.46 | leafwiz | Hey , when I do an E: Release file for http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1d 17h 13min 52s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 15:14.02 | leafwiz | apt-get update I get the error that was posted |
| 15:14.27 | leafwiz | I'm looking for the package build-dep |
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| 15:14.48 | aitor | fsmithred :) |
| 15:15.01 | Xenguy | leafwiz: Yes, this is a known issue ATM |
| 15:15.23 | leafwiz | Xenguy: oki. |
| 15:15.36 | Xenguy | You can use this to bypass the expiration issue: apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update |
| 15:15.40 | aitor | are you still dodging kamikazes? |
| 15:16.02 | Xenguy | It didn't result in any actual upgrades for me, but it did bypass the error message |
| 15:18.24 | aitor | see you :) |
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| 15:22.36 | leafwiz | Xenguy: cool , that helped |
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| 15:22.38 | leafwiz | thx |
| 15:22.47 | fsmithred | god, he's too quick. |
| 15:22.55 | Xenguy | np |
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| 15:43.16 | jochen | Hi aitor, is simple-netaid a replacement for wicd? |
| 15:50.47 | golinux | jochen: It's an alternative to wicd |
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| 15:58.05 | kelsoo | 123-testing |
| 15:59.27 | fsmithred | I see you, kelsoo |
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| 16:00.36 | kelsoo | Hi fsmithred Unfortunatly my weechat logs don't. But thanks for the reply |
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| 16:00.54 | kelsoo | Hope refracta is going well |
| 16:01.02 | fsmithred | it is, thanks. |
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| 16:01.47 | fsmithred | we got an awesome review on distrowatch a couple weeks ago. |
| 16:01.58 | kelsoo | I used exe-gnu-linux the other day after I had a mishap with fsck :-) |
| 16:02.23 | kelsoo | Yes I read it |
| 16:02.24 | fsmithred | ouch |
| 16:02.54 | fsmithred | used it as a rescue CD? |
| 16:03.28 | kelsoo | Yes. Dragora doesn't currently have a live CD |
| 16:04.09 | kelsoo | It's on the card for the next release so we will be bothering you no doubt |
| 16:04.18 | fsmithred | lol, ok |
| 16:04.27 | fsmithred | it's not deb-based, is it? |
| 16:05.26 | kelsoo | No. More Slackware like on the 2.2 version. D3 will be a whole new animal |
| 16:07.09 | kelsoo | It's getting there http://dragora.org/repo.fsl/doc/trunk/www/roadmap.md |
| 16:12.17 | telst4r | I've played with Drag 2 a little. It was quite impressive for such a small dev team |
| 16:15.22 | kelsoo | Yes. It's very stable but way to old. D2 is almost in hybernation so the work can go into D3 |
| 16:17.51 | telst4r | maybe i'll give it a VM spin after i repair my desktop's PSU |
| 16:17.59 | fsmithred | you looked at how zenwalk does a live CD? They're slackware-based |
| 16:18.59 | kelsoo | That's a good shout. cheers |
| 16:19.02 | golinux | And this has what to do with #devuan? Just sayin' |
| 16:19.21 | kelsoo | We all hate systemd |
| 16:20.34 | golinux | That's what #debianfork is for. ;) |
| 16:20.39 | kelsoo | But your right golinux we should be chatting in debianfork |
| 16:20.47 | golinux | Nice to see you kelsoo |
| 16:20.53 | kelsoo | you to |
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| 16:21.31 | golinux | Stop by more often |
| 16:21.59 | kelsoo | Drop in to #dragora some time, you may want to borrows some ideas |
| 16:22.40 | telst4r | does debianfork apply to non-debian non-systemd distros? |
| 16:23.14 | fsmithred | it's less strict than here |
| 16:23.53 | fsmithred | don't ask that question, so that nobody has to decide |
| 16:24.47 | kelsoo | Anyway fsmithred thinks I found the issue. Well how to fix it at least so cheers |
| 16:24.54 | kelsoo | later people |
| 16:25.02 | fsmithred | I do? |
| 16:25.04 | fsmithred | take care. |
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| 17:23.43 | aitor | jochen: as fsmithred said, simple-netaid is an alternative for wicd |
| 17:24.22 | aitor | the developer of simple-netaid is edbarx (edward bartolo) |
| 17:24.40 | aitor | he worte the backend in C and the frontend in freepascal |
| 17:24.53 | aitor | now, i'm working in a frontend in gtkmm |
| 17:25.03 | aitor | orking on :) |
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| 17:29.05 | aitor | at the time being, there are three classes: ScanWifis, WindowMain and NotebookSections... |
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| 17:29.37 | aitor | i'll add more classes from the old code, as TreeView, ConnDialog... |
| 17:30.16 | aitor | this last one for the password |
| 17:30.52 | aitor | the TreeView class shows all the active wifis |
| 17:31.23 | aitor | as you can see in the code, i'm not using Glade for the graphical interfaces |
| 17:33.10 | aitor | ScanWifis is a multithread process |
| 17:34.37 | aitor | it's neede against blocking the spinner, while "/usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 8" is running |
| 17:35.05 | aitor | brb |
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| 19:00.46 | nextime | issues with jessie-security repos fixed |
| 19:01.10 | nextime | it was failing to update cause of the changes in devuan-keyring package |
| 19:01.42 | nextime | amprolla on the security mirror merger machine was using the wrong keyring |
| 19:02.37 | golinux | I'll post to dng asap! |
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| 19:18.25 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: ouch... |
| 19:20.04 | OmegaPhil | somerandomnick will be pleased to know ^ |
| 19:21.20 | fsmithred | I just did update/upgrade on one system, and I'm in the middle of doing a second. Looks like it's fixed. Thanks, nextime. |
| 19:21.49 | somerandomnick | I was just about to mention it being completely expired for 48 hours. |
| 19:22.27 | somerandomnick | Glad to know it got fixed, seems that problem was distinctly bigger than had been thought. |
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| 19:34.21 | fsmithred | second system upgraded fine. |
| 19:35.16 | fsmithred | somerandomnick, I don't see a disconnect between thought and reality. update/upgrade was broken, and now it's fixed, and it only took 48 hrs. |
| 19:37.02 | somerandomnick | It was *obviously* broken for <48, it was less obviously broken for closer to 5-7 days. |
| 19:37.21 | fsmithred | for comparison, I recall a problem with suse-10.0 when it first shipped, the package manager was broken, and you couldn't get the fix because the package manager was broken. Took a couple of weeks for somebody to fix the problem. |
| 19:39.03 | somerandomnick | (the "that problem" being the broken keyring package) |
| 19:40.25 | somerandomnick | The timeframe you need to have exploits fixed in has become narrower since then though. |
| 19:46.56 | Xenguy | Thank you for fixing the problem nextime ; I just upgraded as per usual |
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| 19:49.52 | Xenguy | I've been thinking about this whole episode, and what's coming to mind is that old tek adage: "Redundancy is yer friend." |
| 19:51.04 | somerandomnick | Quite true, until you've got so much redundancy time spent updating the redundant imformation overwhelms the cost of having a failure. |
| 19:51.46 | Xenguy | Yeah, where's the sweet spot |
| 19:51.56 | somerandomnick | So, what percentage of people have ECC memory on their desktops and what percentage of people have ECC memory on their phones? (I wish for the second) |
| 19:52.01 | Xenguy | Somewhere in the middle maybe |
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| 19:52.46 | Xenguy | Esp as Devuan grows, and goes to release |
| 19:55.00 | Xenguy | resilience and redundancy being good things for teams to have I believe |
| 19:56.32 | Xenguy | Anyhow, just thinking out loud, thanks for listening, heh |
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