IRC log for #devuan on 20161208

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06:17.10VallArtemis3: thanks
06:19.47VallArtemis3: 200-300MB in a 1GB machine is a *lot*
06:20.06VallLast time I checked, Openbox used less than 50MB
06:20.11Vall(which is still a lot, btw)
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06:29.54n4dira lot compared to what?
06:35.00VallCompared to the total available RAM on the machine
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06:42.22Artemis3Vall, sure you can just base install and add your favorite wm
06:42.58n4dirWell: there are no much lighter options, so that won't help you much. Even booting to tty will end up with ~20 MB
06:43.10VallArtemis3: my idea is to have a ready-to-use setup with the minimum possible effort
06:43.22Artemis3i did measure base install it takes around 120mb (no xorg)
06:43.44Valln4dir: my point exactly. If the kernel + daemons take ~20MB, just a window manager shouldn't require more than that
06:43.47Artemis3so recompiling the kernel would be the only way to reduce that...
06:44.35n4diropenbox should require round the lines of 5 MB
06:44.52VallBack to the standard Devuan vs Refracta vs Miyo: which one would be more ready-to-use with as little effort as possible, for the usage situation I described?
06:50.28Vall(To save you folks from some back scrolling: main use will be web browsing, but with some light LibreOffice local document editing, photo viewing and perhaps (if I can make it fit) run a smallish Win7 VM under Virtualbox.)
06:51.17n4dirI got that right: you got a Gig of Ram and want to use LibreOffice and Virtualbox?
06:52.14n4dirand worry about the RAM usage of openbox?
06:52.56Valln4dir: every little bit helps ;-)
06:53.31Vallalas, it was useable with Ubuntu 10.04
06:54.10Vall(The Virtualbox VM was a WinXP with only 128MB allocated, tho).
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06:54.45Vallcompare that to a window manager that uses "only" 300MB like KDE... more than the entire VirtualBox + VM usage
06:54.55n4dirWell: i got a Gig of Ram, and VirtualBox sure ain't much fun. Office-Suits i don't use, but expect them to use lots of RAM too (Abiword sure being the better option regarding that)
06:55.05n4dirwebbrowser will also be a tough one.
06:55.13pydsignerKDE isn't what I'd call an example of a light WM/DE
06:55.22Vallbut anyway, this is neither here nor there...
06:55.23pydsignerIt's the heaviest one I know of
06:55.46n4dirthis way or that way: refractas policy always was to boot to ca and not more than 100 MB.
06:55.55VallI need to decide between base Devuan, or the Devuan-based Refracta and MIYO
06:56.11Vall"boot to ca"?
06:56.18VallWhat does "ca" mean in that case?
06:56.34n4diri would go for devuan (but don't know miyo)
06:56.34Vall"Console ASCII"?
06:56.37n4dirca like circa
06:56.49VallAh, OK
06:57.58n4diras far as window managers are concernced: i had looked at quite a few regarding RAM usage, and imho they don't difference that much
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06:59.28n4dircouldn't even see a big difference between openbox and xfce
07:01.12VallOk
07:01.17Vallthanks for the tips, folks
07:01.26Vallgotta go to bed now ;) 5AM ;-)
07:01.29Vallwaves
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08:04.47DocScrutinizer05~wb
08:04.47infobotIt's great to be back!
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08:05.37aitorg'morning
08:05.43DocScrutinizer05moin
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08:15.52aitorhi, golinux
08:21.29golinuxI just dropped in for a sec because I remembered something just as I was going to sleep
08:21.50golinuxSo came back It's the middle of the night here.
08:22.09aitorUS?
08:23.23aitori would like to finish simple-netaid-gtk today
08:23.34aitortoday is holiday in spain
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08:23.56aitornow i'm adding the status bar
08:25.33aitorin a next version it will show the quality of the active wifis at real time
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08:33.18golinuxYes.
08:34.01aitorBoston, or near Boston?
08:34.36aitormany people from boston
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08:36.57aitori'm always getting:
08:37.00aitorstatus_bar.h:5:1: error: expected class-name before ‘{’ token
08:37.18aitorand i can't find the mistake, arrrr...
08:37.41aitorall is right appearently
08:38.14aitorthe error cames from another file
08:48.10aitori can't find it :(
08:48.25aitorthis is the beginning of the file:
08:48.36aitor#ifndef GTKMM_STATUS_BAR_H
08:48.47aitor#define GTKMM_STATUS_BAR_H
08:49.00aitorclass StatusBar : public Gtk::StatusBar
08:49.09aitor{
08:49.19aitorpublic:
08:49.30aitor<PROTECTED>
08:49.41aitor<PROTECTED>
08:49.53aitorprotected:
08:50.00aitor[ ... ]
08:50.07aitorall is right
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08:58.20aitori'll sepparate this class from simple-netaid and test it in an empty window
08:58.44aitori'll test its behaviour using "route -n" and ping
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09:17.01aitorArrrr !!!
09:17.14aitorclass StatusBar : public Gtk::Widget
09:17.23aitori need coffee !
09:19.33aitori'll be back in a few minutes...
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09:43.42aitorhi again
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10:02.43Centurion_Dan1hi aitor
10:02.59aitorhi
10:04.01aitor23:00 in new zeland
10:06.19aitori changed:
10:06.21aitorclass StatusBar : public Gtk::Widget
10:06.25aitorto:
10:06.32aitorclass StatusBar : public Gtk::VBox
10:06.39aitorit's better
10:07.19Centurion_Dan1cool.
10:07.33aitorsorry, i can't be quiet
10:07.47aitormany coffee :)
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11:34.57AntoFoxo/
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11:53.58yann-kaeligHi
11:54.58yann-kaeligIt's missing the kernel image for embedded devuan on cubieboard2.img
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12:00.01yann-kaeligThe rootfs could be larger than 1G. 4G SD cards size are most common on the market today
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12:07.34yann-kaeligHigh speed sdcard has a minimal size of 8G
12:17.08yann-kaeligit's ok to use a VFAT fs for /boot but u-boot mainline can also boot on ext2. perhaps it's a better choice
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14:03.32yann-kaeligok, nice. That work at this time, and boot with my own kernel 3.4.113 built with the mali r3p2-01rel2, own boot.scr and rebuilt script.bin. Now todo install userspace libs
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14:12.00DusXMTFun fact: They obsoleted VBox and HBox in GTK+3 :3
14:12.09DusXMT(ugh, had it scrolled up again)
14:12.37DusXMTs/obsoleted/deprecated/
14:18.48MinceRwhat replaces them?
14:43.38DusXMTMinceR: Apparently just GtkBox
14:44.14MinceRic
14:44.25MinceRapparently it can act as a VBox or a HBox as needed
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18:22.09thessydoes somebody has informations when https://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ will be upgraded to beta2?
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19:20.57yann-kaeligwell, nice that work on frambuffer, EGL version: "1.4 Linux-r3p2-01rel2" ARM Mali400-MP OpenGL ES 2.0 :)
19:21.29yann-kaeliglinux devuan 3.4.113 :)
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20:18.24aitorDusXMT: HBox and VBox even exist in gtk3
20:18.48DusXMTaitor: Yup, for comatibility reasons
20:19.35aitordo you use gtk?
20:25.43aitorthe class is Gtk::Box
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20:43.59aitorthere are a lot of gentoo hooligans here, appearently...
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20:48.06aitorGentoo is the fastest pinguin, isn't it? A type of pinguin...
20:49.35Guest4800)
20:52.17aitorgentoo is built 100% from sources, no existent packages, as far as i know
20:53.44aitori never used it
20:54.11Guest4800gentoo has binpackages too
20:54.19aitorok
20:54.44Guest4800but it is option and not gentoo-way
20:54.51aitori read somewhere my comment, but some years ago
20:56.47Guest4800this is chanel for another distro questions and it is not gentoo)
20:58.06Guest4800you need #gentoo for this
20:58.45aitorlol, steve litt likes gentoo
20:58.55aitorfight with him
20:59.02Guest4800)
20:59.25Guest4800i am proud steve
20:59.48Guest4800but this is #devuan
20:59.55aitorhe is a tough opponent
21:00.44aitorI would not dare
21:00.55Guest4800oh, my dear trololosh, you are funny)
21:01.50Guest4800good night, happy dreams!
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21:02.55aitori'm going to sleep too, dear trolls...
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21:33.42jonadabI actually used gentoo for a while; main reason I switched away from it was because of hardware failure, so I was doing a clean install _anyway_, so I figured try something different...
21:33.54jonadab(So then I used FreeBSD for a couple of years.)
21:34.31jonadabI believe that was during the woody era.  Which, I realize, is not terribly specific, but.
21:35.25KatolaZjonadab: what you say seems anachronistic
21:35.36KatolaZgentoo came several years after debian woody....
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21:37.09KatolaZ(at least, I'm talking about woody-testing)
21:38.14KatolaZbut you are right, woody-stable lasted for several years in the end :)
21:39.54jonadabKatolaZ: woody was stable, yes.
21:40.58jonadabI believe my usage sequence on my main system at home went Debian 1.3.1 => RedHat 6 => Mandrake 7, then 8, maybe also 9 not sure => gentoo => FreeBSD 5 => sarge
21:41.13jonadabI also used other distros on various other systems.
21:41.26jonadabFor example, I used warty and hoary at work, before sarge came out.
21:41.39Leander256I remember very well how woody spent at least one year frozen and was the butt of the joke back then
21:42.07jonadabsarge took _way_ too long to become stable, yes.
21:42.21jonadabThat was a bad time.  Maybe not as bad as systemd, but it was rough.
21:43.19jonadabThe way I remember it, all the cool kids were trying out Linux 2.6, and the Debian stable (woody) installer was still warning people that the 2.2 kernel was "experimental" and they probably should use the stable 2.0 instead.
21:43.23Leander256sarge also took forever to come out
21:43.31jonadabI've been told that's an exaggeration, but it's what my brain remembers.
21:44.26jonadabAnd I'd been using 2.4 kernels for months, with other distros, so I kind of balked at woody being THAT out of date.
21:44.47jonadabSo when warty came out, I was ready to try it.
21:45.51jonadabsarge, when it did come out, was a solid release, though.
22:51.53txt-fileI just booted the devuan beta2 amd64 netinst image via EFI and the EFI boot screen shows "debian" in the upper right corner.
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23:05.10KatolaZjonadab: it seems like you are confusing woody woth potato thouch
23:05.12KatolaZ~though
23:05.19KatolaZwoody already had a kernel 2.4
23:06.17KatolaZand in sarge the 2.4 kernel became the default
23:06.28KatolaZI remember I started used 2.4 on woody testing actually
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23:17.24crash_the first debian i used was woody :)
23:20.00KatolaZ:)
23:22.10KatolaZI started with woody, after the infamous redhat 7 catastrophic release
23:22.16KatolaZops
23:22.25KatolaZs/woody/potato/
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23:28.00jonadabcrash_: The first Debian I used was 1.3.1.
23:28.21jonadabcrash_: But then I used other distros for a bit, didn't switch back until sarge.
23:36.24txt-filenow I feel kind of young cause I started when lenny was beta
23:39.56crash_jonadab: I see
23:40.09crash_:)
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23:47.52MinceRwhat changed in redhat 7? i didn't see much of earlier versions
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