| 00:02.12 | golinux | Vall: Guess you haven't see the sad news on dev1galaxy.org - https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=62 |
| 00:03.02 | Vall | golinux: nope. going there right away |
| 00:04.03 | Vall | golinux: this is so weird |
| 00:04.11 | Vall | I talked to the guy *today* |
| 00:05.17 | golinux | Yeah, it was out of the blue |
| 00:05.43 | golinux | Going to disappoint a lot of people. |
| 00:06.20 | golinux | Miyo was gaining quite a fan club |
| 00:06.56 | Vall | Myself included... :-/ |
| 00:07.40 | Vall | The worst part is that the "I-told-you-so" folks are going to have a field day with this. |
| 00:08.07 | Vall | I just talked to a long-time friend of mine who is still sticking to Ubuntu and Mint, systemd and all |
| 00:08.36 | Vall | systemd really bothers him, so he's still sticking to old versions and praying that it goes away |
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| 00:09.08 | Vall | when I mentioned MIYO to him, he said: "are you sure you're going to invest time & effort into something that could be gone tomorrow?" |
| 00:09.08 | fsmithred | hi |
| 00:09.13 | Vall | hey fsmithred! |
| 00:09.18 | Vall | long time no see ;-) |
| 00:09.27 | fsmithred | nice to see you around |
| 00:09.51 | fsmithred | miyo uses devuan repos |
| 00:09.55 | fsmithred | does it not? |
| 00:09.56 | Vall | golinux: in the end, it wasn't "tomorrow"... it was *today* ;-P |
| 00:10.09 | Vall | fsmithred: yes it does |
| 00:10.19 | fsmithred | then it's not going away if you install it |
| 00:10.26 | Vall | well, yeah |
| 00:10.39 | Vall | going to be kept up-to-date from the repos |
| 00:10.53 | fsmithred | what you won't get is next version |
| 00:11.05 | fsmithred | so... |
| 00:11.05 | Vall | but will be gone eventually, when Devuan moves on to ASCII or whatever is the next distro |
| 00:11.07 | fsmithred | upgrade |
| 00:11.09 | Vall | (exactly) |
| 00:12.23 | fsmithred | maybe we can get a do-it-yourself-make-it-your-own guide |
| 00:13.11 | fsmithred | brb |
| 00:13.33 | Vall | yeah |
| 00:14.05 | Vall | Or maybe I should just cut my losses and install Refracta over the damn thing and be done with it :-/ |
| 00:14.55 | Vall | Is it hard reconfiguring Refracta to use OpenBox? I really liked that WM, and it boots into just 128MB RAM used... |
| 00:18.15 | fsmithred | vall, it's easy to add openbox |
| 00:18.31 | fsmithred | just install a few packages and select ob at the login screen |
| 00:18.42 | Vall | OK. |
| 00:18.55 | fsmithred | or remove lightdm and then 'startx /usr/bin/openbox-session' |
| 00:19.11 | fsmithred | miyo made some nice changes |
| 00:19.15 | Vall | Will Refracta with OB be just as lean and mean as MIYO? |
| 00:19.21 | fsmithred | hell no |
| 00:19.34 | fsmithred | refracta is as fat as it can be and still fit on a cd |
| 00:19.49 | fsmithred | the no-X version is something like 450mb iso |
| 00:20.02 | fsmithred | however... |
| 00:20.13 | Vall | sighs |
| 00:20.32 | fsmithred | the first no-systemd refracta had openbox, lxpanel, lxterminal and spacefm |
| 00:20.33 | Vall | I really need as mean and lean as possible... reinstalling a 1GB Atom machine here... |
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| 00:20.52 | fsmithred | and I've made a couple of builds like that with vdev |
| 00:21.01 | Vall | disk space isn't much of a problem... have a 250GB HD |
| 00:21.08 | Vall | but RAM is really tight |
| 00:21.16 | fsmithred | and I've made a couple of ascii builds with icewm |
| 00:21.33 | fsmithred | all are lean installs - bare minimum |
| 00:22.02 | fsmithred | how tight? |
| 00:22.34 | fsmithred | nm |
| 00:22.38 | fsmithred | I see it |
| 00:22.43 | Vall | I just have 1GB RAM and need to run firefox, libreoffice and a 256MB Win7 VM under virtualbox |
| 00:22.50 | Vall | not at the same time, tho. |
| 00:23.01 | fsmithred | yeah, right |
| 00:23.41 | Vall | MIYO looked really good, was using less than 128MB RAM (and no swap) with OB loaded and a terminal started |
| 00:23.53 | Vall | sigh |
| 00:24.15 | Vall | I still remember running Linux on a 24MB 486SX notebook... |
| 00:24.18 | fsmithred | other than installing the right packages, which is pretty easy to automate... |
| 00:24.26 | fsmithred | you'd need to save the configs |
| 00:24.29 | furrywolf | firefox uses a gig of ram to load |
| 00:24.31 | fsmithred | and you can reproduce it |
| 00:25.48 | Vall | I have firefox with a dozen tabs and xchat and a terminal right now |
| 00:25.58 | Vall | free |
| 00:25.58 | Vall | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.58 | Vall | Mem: 1014704 930392 84312 27708 28728 334520 |
| 00:25.58 | Vall | -/+ buffers/cache: 567144 447560 |
| 00:25.58 | Vall | Swap: 4194300 109744 4084556 |
| 00:26.02 | Vall | So, pretty usable |
| 00:26.31 | furrywolf | wait a day. :) |
| 00:26.43 | furrywolf | firefox is the leakiest program I've ever used. |
| 00:26.47 | Vall | that 109MB swap used is because I also loaded LibreOffice and VirtualBox simultaneously (but unloaded them when the swap started to flick) |
| 00:26.55 | Vall | furrywolf: no doubt |
| 00:27.03 | Vall | but I think Chrome leaks even more... |
| 00:27.16 | Vall | Chrome just takes longer to bomb |
| 00:27.56 | furrywolf | but instead of fixing the leaks, mozilla works on adding anti-features. |
| 00:28.01 | Vall | Folks, thanks for all the help |
| 00:28.13 | Vall | Gotta hit the sack here, almost 11PM |
| 00:28.13 | fsmithred | yw |
| 00:28.33 | Vall | fsmithred: glad to see ya around, pal |
| 00:28.40 | fsmithred | take care |
| 00:28.42 | Vall | golinux: thanks for letting me know |
| 00:28.48 | Vall | you too |
| 00:28.53 | Vall | waves |
| 00:28.54 | furrywolf | cyas |
| 00:29.08 | Vall | furrywolf: see you around, pal |
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| 02:03.02 | GiBa | \o anyone here using devuan would please run lsb_release -c ? |
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| 02:05.52 | GiBa | my system has 'Devuan' in /etc/devuan_release instead of '8.1' so the codename is not found, screwing up some puppet recipes I have. And even if I set the 8.1 in the file the lsb_release.py module fails because the table marked as "XXX: update as needed" has the 8: jessie commented out :/ |
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| 08:27.32 | hellekin | GiBa_: Codename: jessie |
| 08:28.18 | hellekin | GiBa_: /etc/os-release mentions VERSION_ID="1" and VERSION="1 (jessie)" |
| 08:28.46 | hellekin | GiBa_: are you running those at work? |
| 08:29.18 | hellekin | GiBa_: are you going to 33c3 BTW? |
| 08:30.24 | hellekin | GiBa_: cat: /etc/devuan_release: No such file or directory |
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| 09:24.54 | aitor | running lsb_release -a, i get: |
| 09:25.03 | aitor | Distributor ID:Devuan |
| 09:25.16 | aitor | Description:Devuan GNU/Linux 1.0 (jessie) |
| 09:25.27 | aitor | Release:1.0 |
| 09:25.36 | aitor | Codename:jessie |
| 09:25.45 | aitor | so, it's right |
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| 09:54.30 | aitor | i'm separating all the bizarre, unreadable C code of simple-netaid in an unique class named CTools |
| 09:54.46 | aitor | i'll build a package containig its dinamical libraries |
| 09:55.15 | aitor | for example: void CTools::output(const gchar* command, const gchar* file) |
| 09:55.51 | aitor | will copy the output of the unix command in a file named "file" |
| 09:56.30 | aitor | so, the code or simple-netaid-gtk will be more readable |
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| 10:00.19 | aitor | when i say "simple-nataid", i mean to say "simple-netaid-gtk" |
| 10:00.27 | aitor | i'm not referring to the backend |
| 10:05.12 | aitor | there is an announcement of a gentoo based distribution in distrowatch named KIOSK |
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| 10:12.38 | aitor | the icon-theme of raspbian looks nice: |
| 10:12.40 | aitor | https://distrowatch.com/images/slinks/raspbian.png |
| 10:17.26 | AntoFox | o/ |
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| 15:10.47 | Newbumz | Hi all, need to install an OS on a new box. Was thinking about trying Devuan. Will it still do all the regular debian packages i.g. Mplayer, ffmepg, java etc... I use LXDE and X11 for desktop. |
| 15:12.13 | DusXMT | Newbumz: Of course |
| 15:13.58 | DusXMT | 's been using it just like he had used Debian before since the 1st alpha release, with no real complications |
| 15:16.23 | Newbumz | Thanks. Don't suppose Pulse Audio is also black listed on this distro or do I have to do that manually? |
| 15:16.58 | DusXMT | Back when I installed xfce from tasksel, it installed pulseaudio automatically |
| 15:17.08 | DusXMT | (but that was a while ago) |
| 15:17.10 | Newbumz | Ok not as big of a deal thanks. |
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| 16:26.32 | Newbumz | Nice, so far happier with the advanced setup wizard in Devuan then Debian. Better options for repository selections and base software. |
| 16:33.19 | Artemis3 | Newbumz, aside from auto for the repos (which i like), i don't notice any other difference. |
| 16:34.30 | Artemis3 | Newbumz, and no, pulseaudio is not blacklisted, it does get installed if you pick desktop... |
| 16:34.36 | Newbumz | Havn't installed Jessie more than once. The option for backports semems new to me. Also being able to choose desktop enviroment through base software. I always have to bootstrap the option before. |
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| 16:35.04 | Artemis3 | Newbumz, its because you needed to use priority=low (ie. expert) install. |
| 16:35.15 | Newbumz | Ah ok Thanks, I can just purge pulse and pin it after. Have never gotten it to work correctly. |
| 16:35.41 | Artemis3 | Newbumz, you could skip installing desktop and build your custom from base |
| 16:35.59 | Newbumz | I use expert usually. But like i said Jessie is fairly new to me all my computers still use Squeeze. |
| 16:36.05 | Artemis3 | desktop will bring you xfce and slim you may not want those xD |
| 16:36.10 | Artemis3 | or and wicd |
| 16:36.23 | Newbumz | Hmm Desktop let me pick LXDE |
| 16:36.39 | Newbumz | Using the Netinstall |
| 16:36.41 | Artemis3 | yes you can pick others at the installer but that uses base |
| 16:37.01 | Artemis3 | i even tested kde, it brings kdm instead of slim... |
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| 16:37.54 | Newbumz | Ah I see what you mean now. Just saw gimp instlall. Meh don't need slim. |
| 16:38.32 | Artemis3 | so you could skip that and let base complete then reboot and apt-get your way |
| 16:38.47 | Artemis3 | but whatever |
| 16:38.58 | Artemis3 | especially if you use i3 or something |
| 16:39.11 | Artemis3 | some other lite wm |
| 16:39.15 | Newbumz | Making a HTPC for my mom. AMD-APU |
| 16:39.29 | Artemis3 | ah, kodi? |
| 16:39.41 | Newbumz | Probably just Mplayer and Chrome for netflix. |
| 16:39.49 | Artemis3 | you could use nodm and launch kodi alone xD |
| 16:40.20 | Newbumz | She wants web browsing and printing too. Thought about kodi but she would need to exit it for other stuff. |
| 16:40.31 | Artemis3 | amd not very sure how is the gpu working with the current drivers |
| 16:40.57 | Artemis3 | yah ok a "normal" desktop then |
| 16:41.07 | Artemis3 | plenty of choices |
| 16:41.17 | Newbumz | Yeah waiting to see. Reviews I read on this board were all saying Ubuntu worked great if you got the AMD Catalyst. |
| 16:41.35 | Artemis3 | which was removed in the latest version, because... amd. |
| 16:42.06 | Newbumz | I can still install the binaries though right? |
| 16:42.11 | Artemis3 | amd didnt bothered recompiling against newer kernel/xorg |
| 16:42.20 | Newbumz | Hmm |
| 16:42.32 | Newbumz | Well will see |
| 16:42.40 | Artemis3 | thats in ubuntu |
| 16:42.45 | Artemis3 | jessie should be old enough xD |
| 16:43.37 | Newbumz | Ah ok thanks. So long as I can get mesa working corectly under mesa that is good enough too. Also want minecraft to work on it. |
| 16:43.42 | Artemis3 | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 16:43.59 | Artemis3 | you can run catalyst 14.9 it seems |
| 16:44.01 | Newbumz | under fglx* |
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| 16:44.59 | Newbumz | I will poke around. I read AMD just came out with some new catalyst pack they claimed is the best thing ever. |
| 16:45.06 | Newbumz | <cough> |
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