IRC log for #devuan on 20161211

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00:34.40VallHello everyone
00:34.54VallJust saw this: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/best-distro-2016-vote.html
00:35.06Vall(sorry if anyone else posted it here already)
00:35.32VallLet's all go there and vote for Devuan!
00:36.01Vall(it doesn't have a dedicated checkbox, so click on "Other" and then fill "Devuan" in the side box)
00:36.03hellekinHuh? E: The value 'jessie' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
00:36.34VallI did, and then posted a comment complaining Devuan wasn't listed and probably a lot of the "Other" votes was for it :-P
00:36.56fsmithredhellekin, I get that message a lot. Not sure what causes it.
00:37.49hellekinfsmithred: hey!  Mentioning Refracta in the "little purpy book"
00:38.04fsmithredwhat's that?
00:38.33hellekinan upcoming booklet on devuan
00:38.38hellekinpart of the docsprint
00:38.39Vall(and "Other" is by far in the front, 25% right now, vs 22% for Linux Mint and only 14% for Ubuntu)
00:38.57fsmithredcool, thanks!
00:39.01hellekinVall: yes but can't see the details of 'other', so might be anything
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00:39.31Vallhellekin: that's why it's important to post a comment complaining of the lack of "Devuan" ;-)
00:39.45hellekinfsmithred: what else can I do, the 'refracta principle' is such a great pattern
00:39.46aitorVall, the best distro of 2016 is Devuan
00:39.57Vallaitor: I completely agree! ;-)
00:40.04aitoryes >(
00:40.06VallSo go there and vote ;-)
00:40.12hellekinaitor: checkout the doc-wg for updates :)
00:40.18fsmithredinvented by Dean Linkous
00:40.34Vallfsmithred:  alas, sticking with MIYO for now
00:40.45Vallthe netbook is running very well with it
00:40.49fsmithredI installed miyo today, and I like it
00:40.55Vallyeah
00:40.59fsmithredhe did a nice job with the desktop
00:41.11Vallless than 130MB memory use booted into the GUI is a feat nowadays
00:41.23golinuxPoor Miyo.  I hope it can continue . . .
00:41.26aitordos-wg?
00:41.29fsmithredyou want really low use, look at icewm
00:41.32VallRefracta is very lean, but IIRC it stood at 300MB
00:41.45Vallicewm: less than openbox?
00:41.57fsmithredyeah
00:42.08VallWill have to check on that someday soon
00:42.21fsmithredbut you'll proabably hate the menu
00:42.22Vallright now I have to finish getting wife set up on that netbook
00:42.26VallLOL
00:42.35VallOpenBox menu was nice
00:42.47fsmithredmiyo modified it a lot
00:42.47Valland dynamic, if I understood it correctly
00:42.56hellekinVall: wife 1.0 or wife 2.0? :P
00:43.01fsmithredI haven't looked under the hood
00:43.06VallWife 1.0 ;-)
00:43.24hellekinaitor: /topic in #devuan-doc
00:43.54aitora new IRC?
00:43.57VallWife 2.0 is just a pricey upgrade that looks nice at first but RSN the poor user perceives it's just an overpriced and overhyped Wife 1.0, with the same bugs and shortcomings ;-)
00:44.42hellekinaitor: I thought you were there before
00:44.56hellekinaitor: it just started for the docsprint
00:45.08Vall(I have a friend who just came to that realization with Wife 3.0 -- and I told him that when he was making the upgrade to Wife 2.0)
00:45.17aitorok
00:45.27aitorthe book...
00:47.24fsmithredhellekin, do you have a defaultrelease file somewhere in /etc/apt?
00:47.43hellekinVall: I was mentioning this silly sexist joke as a gentle way to drive you away from such discourse, but, ahem...  OK, it was 'nice' by then.  When we were young and idiotic wrt women, right?
00:48.12hellekinfsmithred: nope
00:48.29aitor12 December is approaching
00:48.36aitorgood look >(
00:48.42Vallaitor: Dec 12 is the day after tomorrow ;-)
00:48.54fsmithredwhat's the significance of that date?
00:48.57hellekinfsmithred: but I have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02follow-stable with APT::Default-Release "jessie"; ;)
00:49.03aitorarr.. i'm with US keyboard
00:49.07fsmithredah...
00:49.11Vallhellekin: well, it doesn't seem as you did a good job of driving me away from it, on the contrary ;-)
00:49.28hellekinVall: ssshhh....
00:49.31VallLOL
00:49.45fsmithredI had that in a file, and the error messages stopped when I got rid of that file.
00:50.22Vallhellekin: but you are right, a little more and I will start sounding just like the US President Elect, so I better stop now ;-)
00:50.26hellekinfsmithred: Dec. 12 is the end of the docsprint (although I guess the work started well, and should be pursued beyond that date.  But for the booklet target, it cannot go much beyond, because we have to print it)
00:50.45fsmithredcool
00:51.07hellekinfsmithred: interesting.  I keep it to avoid unwanted 'upgrades' from other suites
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00:51.31hellekinmaybe there's an issue with amprolla and we need to use 'stable' instead of jessie?
00:51.39fsmithredyeah, that was the reason I had that same APT line.
00:51.44aitorgood bye, 01:50 here :)
00:51.53hellekingood night aitor!
00:51.58fsmithreduseful when you have more than one release repo in your sources.
00:52.00aitor:)
00:52.18Vallgotta go too. Have a great evening/morning/afternoon/whatever, everyone!
00:52.22Vallwaves
00:52.28fsmithredbut I use pinning instead now. ascii and ceres and backports repos are all enabled, but I don't install from them.
00:52.40hellekinVall: hi to your 'setting up' wife ;)
00:52.42fsmithredI just like to easily check versions.
00:52.56fsmithredtake it easy Vall
00:54.03hellekinfsmithred: all pinned here as well... 950 - 500 - 90
00:54.39hellekin+ awesome unstable at 900
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01:03.33fsmithredyou like living on the edge? I've got ascii at 100 and ceres at 50
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01:10.47hellekinI need some more recent programs, especially awesome is lingering behind big time.  I'm eager to reach ASCII and personal overlays :)
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03:01.54NewbumzThank you to any Devuan Dev's on.  Happy to report Grandma loves her new Devuan powered HTPC.
03:03.02NewbumzClick here for Netflix, Click here for saved movies, click here to print recipies... Works as well as her chrome book.
03:05.40golinuxNewbumz: That's some Grandma love!
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06:27.41InocuousI'm getting a dns error on devuan.org for some reason.
06:55.27AlexLikeRockInocuous,  checking ....
06:55.40AlexLikeRockhome page  ?
06:56.34Newbumzdevuan.org checks out in western canada.
06:56.37AlexLikeRockits  working  fine :-)
06:56.53AlexLikeRockim check at mexico
06:57.38AlexLikeRockcheck this  diferent   IP
06:57.40AlexLikeRockhttps://files.devuan.org/
06:58.24NewbumzAlexLikeRock: Works for me
07:00.45NewbumzInocuous: Any other locations not working for you?
07:01.25Inocuouseverything works, I have 4 or 5 pages open. no problem.
07:01.33Inocuousidk
07:03.21NewbumzI have only newbie tech support offerings at this point then without details.
07:04.10NewbumzSory
07:07.31AlexLikeRockgood nigth , adios amigos
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11:06.14AntoFoxo/
11:07.37jaromilhi AntoFox , how is it going?
11:07.40chillfan\o
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11:41.24AntoFoxjaromil: tutto ok :)
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14:47.13InocuousIs there someone here from devuan devs that can do a traceroute from the site to see if I'm blocked or something.
14:47.43Inocuousunable to reach devuan site from my home IP but ok with other.
14:47.50chillfanhave you tried a different dns resolver?
14:48.24InocuousI tried a different ip address on my phone. and others have tried without issue. I don't know how to do what you suggest
14:49.00chillfanwell probably there is a problem with your dns server or configuration
14:49.35Inocuousyes
14:50.12chillfanare you on devuan?
14:50.32Inocuousno not at the moment.
14:50.57chillfanwell let's move this to #debianfork so it's out the way of development talk.. and I'll see if i can help you change to another DNS server
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15:20.10GiBathanks aitor and hellekin I do not see that that way and I do have a /etc/devuan_release. I have the servers up for 2 years or so now, they were debian and I changed the repos to devuan (old school installation), so something fkup in the process, I manually fixed my files to be like that and now everything seems to be working properly
15:21.48GiBahellekin: I'm so close to ccc and my friends are all going but I can't make it I'll have family visiting for the holydays !flip
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16:49.48hellekinGiBa: oh nooooooz!
16:50.22hellekinGiBa: well, enjoy your family then.  I guess we have more opportunities coming.
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21:37.49Andrea993hi
21:38.08Inocuoushello
21:39.34Andrea993when a stable versione of devuan?
21:43.25blinkdogAndrea993: I don't think there is a fixed release date
21:48.12Andrea993thanks, but which are the steps that make this project difficult?
21:54.24NeonLichtGetting rid of the systemd infestation must not be trivial, I guess.
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22:37.23aitorhk: good luck :)
22:44.18Andrea993#systemdmerda
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23:40.50Sorchis anyone using devuan on a production server yet?
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23:48.16golinuxSorch: Not me but yes.
23:49.55hightower2Sorch, I use it on a work laptop with great success
23:50.21Sorchhightower2, nice because I'm going to moving to it for a few production servers
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23:51.55hightower2Sorch,  From looking at the mailing list, the currently known problematic package seems to be procps which makes the system unbootable if installed. But I am not exactly sure if I have it installed and it works, or not.
23:51.59hightower2(And I can't check right now)
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