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| 02:39.00 | Inocuous | Anyone set up a bootable copy of devuan on a usb 3 compatible memory stick? |
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| 03:04.32 | fsmithred | Inocuous, I've got it on a usb-3 stick, but I've only ever booted it on usb-2 ports |
| 03:05.23 | fsmithred | I don't know if it's possible to boot on a usb-3 port. I've never been able to do it. |
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| 03:16.16 | Inocuous | fsmithred, I made three tries. I have a couple usb 3 devices that work fine. |
| 03:16.25 | Inocuous | I thought the 3 would be faster. |
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| 03:16.37 | Inocuous | well, it is a faster interface. |
| 03:16.43 | fsmithred | you boot it on usb-3 port? |
| 03:17.01 | Inocuous | oh sorry. |
| 03:17.09 | Inocuous | that should have been a 2, there |
| 03:17.15 | Inocuous | I use the 2's |
| 03:17.19 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 03:17.21 | Inocuous | but wanted to try the 3's |
| 03:17.32 | fsmithred | me too, but it didn't work when I tried |
| 03:17.35 | Inocuous | can't get past the ram disk part of boot |
| 03:17.40 | fsmithred | on a couple different machines |
| 03:17.58 | Inocuous | can't write to memory address or something. |
| 03:18.16 | Inocuous | I was wondering if it was like the old hard drives that have to be able to write to sector zero |
| 03:18.39 | fsmithred | no idea |
| 03:18.46 | Inocuous | there was one meg on either end of the memory stick that fdisk could not work with. |
| 03:18.54 | Inocuous | I mean one gig |
| 03:19.16 | Inocuous | dedicated to the controll of the chip I presume |
| 03:19.17 | fsmithred | ? |
| 03:19.41 | fsmithred | partitioner will leave 1mb free before the first partition |
| 03:19.49 | fsmithred | bootloader may need that space |
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| 03:20.05 | Inocuous | ye. I think so, for something. |
| 03:20.08 | Inocuous | anyway. |
| 03:20.20 | Inocuous | it was a 20 dollar experiment for the memory stick. |
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| 03:20.57 | Inocuous | one thing I noticed, I was not able to access mirrors. |
| 03:21.06 | Inocuous | the install never even asked for access to the wifi |
| 03:21.24 | fsmithred | yeah, it's not detecting the wireless hardware |
| 03:21.42 | Inocuous | idk why. |
| 03:22.04 | Inocuous | is it the installation? This worked before on my first installation and on the second |
| 03:22.11 | Inocuous | yesterday, not at all. |
| 03:22.16 | fsmithred | yeah, something is wrong with the installer |
| 03:22.28 | fsmithred | missing /lib/firmware or something like that |
| 03:22.46 | fsmithred | I posted something about it at forum |
| 03:23.11 | Inocuous | dumb question but the kernals offered. are these standard across the debian platform or specific to devuan? |
| 03:23.23 | fsmithred | pure debian |
| 03:24.15 | Inocuous | there were tow options, one generic, which was recommended and one whose name was appended with some special version numbers. |
| 03:24.23 | Inocuous | two* |
| 03:24.38 | fsmithred | one metapackage and one real kernel |
| 03:24.59 | fsmithred | metapackage is useful if you're running testing - always gets you the newest kernel |
| 03:25.32 | fsmithred | linux-image-amd64 for example, will always give you the newest stable kernel |
| 03:25.42 | Inocuous | I found one reference on google that said the error that I was getting could be a kernal error. |
| 03:25.42 | fsmithred | or newest for the version, anyway |
| 03:26.33 | fsmithred | which error - on trying to boot usb-3? |
| 03:27.03 | Inocuous | I've misplaced my devuan USB at the moment. Using a ubuntu 16 lately. |
| 03:27.15 | Inocuous | it runs my laptop so hot. I don't like it. |
| 03:27.25 | Inocuous | but I guess the components can take the heat. |
| 03:27.41 | fsmithred | probably desktop glitz running |
| 03:28.20 | Inocuous | the xfce destop in devuan has been good for me. |
| 03:28.35 | Inocuous | temps stay way down |
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| 03:30.07 | Inocuous | I'm using sandisk USB's. do you know of them? |
| 03:30.15 | Inocuous | seems to be all walmart sells. |
| 03:30.23 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 03:30.43 | fsmithred | I've had trouble booting with some of them. |
| 03:31.04 | fsmithred | had better luck with pny, but some of them are slow |
| 03:31.32 | fsmithred | and some not slow - comparable to 5400 rpm hard drive in a laptop |
| 03:33.09 | Inocuous | I've been considering getting a used laptop at the pawn shop. |
| 03:33.34 | Inocuous | I'm not really knowledgable about hardware so I'm a little hesitant. |
| 03:34.05 | fsmithred | you can get used laptops from newegg |
| 03:34.18 | Inocuous | oh. I hadn't considered them. |
| 03:34.29 | Inocuous | do you have any advice on specific models? |
| 03:34.47 | Inocuous | I've grown accustomed to touchscreens. |
| 03:34.55 | fsmithred | thinkpad |
| 03:35.19 | fsmithred | they have a reputation for being more durable |
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| 03:37.37 | Inocuous | I'll have to take a look. |
| 03:37.52 | Inocuous | I looked on Amazon and I think I checked ebay. |
| 03:38.07 | Inocuous | but I wasn't really sure how to select one |
| 03:41.09 | Inocuous | Refurbished: Lenovo ThinkPad T430 Laptop (R2/Ready for Reuse) with Intel Core i7-3520M@2.90GHz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, |
| 03:45.13 | Inocuous | hmm. no touchscreen but looks like a great machine. |
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| 03:47.15 | fsmithred | it's a laptop, not a phone |
| 03:47.44 | fsmithred | probably can handle whatever you throw at it. |
| 03:48.40 | Inocuous | I don't doubt it would do everything will and with the partition with a back up OS, that's kind of nice. |
| 03:50.30 | Inocuous | it i7 is a fairly new processor too isn't it? |
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| 04:13.16 | Xenguy | TP for the build (and the (olde) keyboards) |
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| 04:14.06 | Xenguy | I think i7 is the i5 version for gamers etc. |
| 04:14.20 | Xenguy | For the extra umph |
| 04:14.55 | Xenguy | Most folks don't need to pay extra |
| 04:16.47 | pydsigner | Inocuous: n in i<n> is the power of the CPU. it's the x in i<n>-[<x>]yza that determines the age |
| 04:17.12 | Xenguy | runs away srceaming ... |
| 04:17.28 | pydsigner | The latest generation is the 7000 series |
| 04:17.48 | pydsigner | The 3000 series finished in 2014. |
| 04:17.54 | Xenguy | Oh no, not the, the NG |
| 04:18.04 | Xenguy | Hah, it never ends |
| 04:18.34 | pydsigner | I agree that usually the i7 isn't necessary |
| 04:18.42 | pydsigner | It depends on what you're doing though |
| 04:19.13 | pydsigner | I have a i7-6820HQ because I wanted to be able to build software and game and such |
| 04:19.30 | Xenguy | Yeah, I did some comparison, and just realized I didn't have to pay an extra $80 or w/e for the i7 - the i5 was gonna do just fine :) |
| 04:19.33 | Inocuous | I've always been limited by processor power. |
| 04:19.40 | Xenguy | Makes sense |
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| 04:20.10 | Inocuous | I'm looking at two lonova's one has the i5 with ssd and one is i7 with hdd |
| 04:20.30 | Xenguy | You like the wide screen? |
| 04:20.49 | Xenguy | Like for a home machine |
| 04:21.29 | pydsigner | I dumped my desktop. |
| 04:21.41 | Xenguy | I found the X220 and I bought it for the portability (also refurbished) |
| 04:21.48 | pydsigner | In a desktop I'd be much more hesitant about going for an i7 |
| 04:21.52 | Xenguy | Yeah, that's where I'm out now too |
| 04:21.58 | pydsigner | Especially the high-end ones |
| 04:22.13 | Xenguy | Desktops are fine, but my heart is with laptops these days |
| 04:22.38 | Xenguy | And TP are a good build, so I'm happy buying old ones |
| 04:24.11 | pydsigner | I recommend to people to grab old Latitudes with the 3000 series CPUs |
| 04:25.03 | pydsigner | 3-400 bucks gets you 8GB and an i5 |
| 04:25.16 | Xenguy | It's good to have different options - Lenovo has done some weird stuff along the way |
| 04:25.56 | Xenguy | I paid $300 for the X220, and I'm a happy camper |
| 04:26.17 | Xenguy | 4Gb tho |
| 04:26.32 | pydsigner | My desktop replacement cost almost as much as an MBP |
| 04:27.00 | pydsigner | But the power and versatility was worth it for me |
| 04:27.34 | Xenguy | I'm all for buy the machine you really like, then take care of it and make it last :) |
| 04:28.14 | Xenguy | I definitely know what I like and what I don't, with hardware, feel-wise |
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| 04:29.04 | pydsigner | Yup |
| 04:29.21 | pydsigner | The problem was I wanted TB3 |
| 04:29.35 | pydsigner | Or would I'd have spent a lot less |
| 04:29.47 | pydsigner | s/would// |
| 04:30.04 | Xenguy | But really, buy what you want, if you saved for it, it's yours |
| 04:30.30 | Xenguy | Money is no object :) |
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| 04:32.13 | Inocuous | anyone have thoughts on the model 420? |
| 04:32.28 | Inocuous | well, t420 |
| 04:33.31 | Xenguy | That's on my list |
| 04:34.05 | pydsigner | It's a generation further back than I'd recommend |
| 04:34.20 | Xenguy | And hey, 420, it's destined to be a classic |
| 04:34.28 | pydsigner | Haha |
| 04:34.55 | Inocuous | all of what I'm looking at are win7 |
| 04:35.03 | Inocuous | to me that's 4 years old or more, am I right? |
| 04:35.07 | Xenguy | How many years since it was issued? |
| 04:36.17 | Inocuous | I see a 2012 review on it |
| 04:36.48 | Xenguy | I'm all for the 5-8 year old laptop range |
| 04:37.03 | Xenguy | 5 is the sweet spot maybe |
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| 04:37.57 | Xenguy | The prices really come down, so you can get good burned in hardware that works great for Linux |
| 04:38.50 | Inocuous | walmart has them with the i5 refurbished for around 300 |
| 04:39.30 | Xenguy | Yep, pretty good price (not just Walmart either) |
| 04:39.30 | Inocuous | probably have to look up the processor ID to see if it's 2 or 4 core. |
| 04:40.00 | Xenguy | I suppose it varies |
| 04:40.09 | Xenguy | of course |
| 04:40.11 | Inocuous | I don't care about drive size. most everything they make these days is bigger than I'll ever need. |
| 04:40.37 | Inocuous | but the ssd, I like the sounds of that speed. |
| 04:40.44 | Xenguy | heh, yeah, and with 1 or 2 external HDs for storage, piece of cake |
| 04:41.53 | Xenguy | storage/backup really |
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| 04:46.20 | Inocuous | anyone have an opinion on 2 or 4 cores? is it noticeable ? |
| 04:49.14 | fsmithred | for making live snapshot or running several virtual machines, 4 is better |
| 04:50.30 | ohemdevin | Yep, I always go for quad-core CPUs. I don't mind dual-core if the computer I'm using is solely running only one OS (or I'm dual-booting different GNU/Linux distros and OpenBSD) |
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| 04:51.01 | fsmithred | bed time. bye |
| 04:51.06 | ohemdevin | g'night. |
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| 05:02.54 | Inocuous | thanks for the feedback everyone. |
| 05:03.00 | Inocuous | appreciated. |
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| 05:16.01 | pydsigner | Definitely quad |
| 05:17.39 | pydsigner | Unless you're just doing light stuff |
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| 15:26.13 | hiya | hows life all? I am a fan of FSF and Debian with Main repo |
| 15:26.31 | hiya | but I just hurt about Devuan.org, why are yuo doing this? |
| 15:28.10 | debdog | because we are bored |
| 15:29.30 | hiya | Then listen to music? Also what is the default DE? |
| 15:29.36 | golinux | hiya: That is a question more suited to the #debianfork channel |
| 15:29.56 | golinux | Xfce |
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| 16:04.47 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 16:05.42 | furrywolf | pets autofox to see what an autofox is |
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| 16:14.14 | AntoFox | autofox? o.O |
| 16:14.55 | furrywolf | hrmm, apparantly it's too early in the morning for typing. :P |
| 16:15.02 | furrywolf | pets antofox to see what an antofox is |
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| 16:45.21 | sixwheeledbeast | the fox and the wolf ... very Dr Seuss. |
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| 16:54.21 | furrywolf | I would not pet a sixwheeledbeast, I would not touch it with my feets, I would worry about what it eats, as wheels are generally not on meats. |
| 16:54.22 | Lydia_K | Would you pet them with a cat? Would you pet them in a hat? |
| 16:54.45 | furrywolf | hops on Lydia_K's lap |
| 16:54.51 | Lydia_K | pets furrywolf |
| 16:55.26 | Lydia_K | I would pet them in a lap, yes I would sir hatted cat. |
| 16:56.53 | furrywolf | we should only talk in verse, for prose makes a channel very much worse, and with discussions only in rhyme, software development will happen on time. |
| 16:57.46 | furrywolf | and if we keep it up we'll probably see, if golinux will ban you and me. :) |
| 16:58.24 | Lydia_K | LMAO |
| 16:58.32 | Lydia_K | claps |
| 16:59.57 | pydsigner | But can you meter keep as well while you drop down to root shell? |
| 17:01.02 | furrywolf | I can meter in my bash, I can split lines with a backslash, I can comment lines with a hash, and rhyming will happen in a dash. |
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| 17:01.56 | pydsigner | * I can meter in my bash, I can split lines with backslash, I can comment with a hash, and rhymes will happen in a dash. |
| 17:02.36 | pydsigner | Take a look there at my fix, and, please, your meter do not mix. |
| 17:02.40 | furrywolf | yes, that is what I said, did it not make it into your head? |
| 17:03.07 | furrywolf | ah yes, now I see, I made a mistake, how silly of me. |
| 17:03.19 | furrywolf | probably should go and do useful things at some point |
| 17:07.45 | furrywolf | brb |
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| 17:19.03 | furrywolf | bbl, there's a break in the rain, time to do things |
| 17:27.06 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
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| 21:31.23 | armin | damnit |
| 21:31.30 | armin | so much to code, so little time |
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| 21:42.08 | blinkdog | armin: what else needs coding? |
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| 22:09.36 | aitor | hi |
| 22:09.46 | blinkdog | hello |
| 22:11.02 | aitor | today i've been working in simple-netaid |
| 22:13.15 | aitor | i think that i solved the bug with the connection status: |
| 22:14.34 | aitor | the following solution doesn't work: |
| 22:14.37 | aitor | https://trisquel.info/es/forum/gnuinos#comment-106225 |
| 22:16.10 | aitor | sometimes fails |
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| 22:20.32 | fsmithred | aitor, I'm thinking if it sometimes fails, |
| 22:20.43 | fsmithred | that maybe you might just need more nails. |
| 22:20.47 | aitor | no |
| 22:21.50 | aitor | today i did a lot of tests |
| 22:22.09 | fsmithred | and I'm sure they were your very bests |
| 22:23.14 | fsmithred | this is hard, I'm not a bard! |
| 22:23.39 | aitor | i was trying with "route -n", but it failed this morning once... |
| 22:24.16 | blinkdog | this is to determine if a connection exists? |
| 22:24.52 | aitor | i can't reproduce the circumstances, but it failed today |
| 22:24.55 | fsmithred | you have to be root to take that route. |
| 22:25.10 | aitor | i know |
| 22:28.31 | aitor | today i developed a class using a socket for conneting to the local router's IP, instead of using ping |
| 22:28.42 | aitor | and it works |
| 22:28.56 | aitor | i did a lot of tests |
| 22:40.40 | aitor | the problem was that, if you haven't network connection, then the "route -n" command should not give you any value in the Gatetway column |
| 22:41.14 | aitor | but it failed for me today |
| 22:42.47 | aitor | i hadn't network connection, and "route -n" was giving me an IP |
| 22:43.25 | blinkdog | aitor: What capability are you trying to detect? |
| 22:44.18 | aitor | ? |
| 22:44.29 | aitor | eth0, wlan0 |
| 22:44.52 | blinkdog | I mean, physical connection to the network is one thing, being able to reach host X out on the interwebs is another |
| 22:45.20 | blinkdog | What capability are you detecting? What does the yes/no indicator tell the user about the system? |
| 22:48.19 | aitor | i don't understand the question, which yes/no indicator? |
| 22:50.21 | blinkdog | I think I am confused. I thought you were talking about a fix for the connected/not-connected indicator in simple-netaid? |
| 22:51.14 | aitor | yes, i'm talking about that |
| 22:52.15 | blinkdog | your fix, what does it indicate? physical connection to the network, or ability to reach some host? |
| 22:53.19 | aitor | physical connection |
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| 22:53.51 | blinkdog | ahhh ok :-) |
| 22:54.13 | aitor | ok, i'll share the class tomorrow |
| 22:54.49 | aitor | i would like to test you :) |
| 22:56.37 | aitor | i would like you to test it, lol |
| 22:57.35 | blinkdog | let me put gnuinos in a vm |
| 22:57.50 | blinkdog | this is the beta2 openbox i386, right? |
| 22:58.44 | aitor | in a VM? You are brave !! |
| 22:59.25 | aitor | yes, this is a beta2 |
| 23:00.12 | aitor | bye :) |
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