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| 01:43.29 | Centurion_Dan2 | robert-e: I'll have a dig as installing nm should modify /etc/interfaces to suit. |
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| 10:06.38 | mystified | hey guys can you help out again.. |
| 10:06.46 | mystified | sounds gone |
| 10:07.14 | mystified | Thx in advance ! |
| 10:18.00 | rleigh | mystified: Did pulseaudio get installed? Removing it fixed all my sound problems in 100% of the cases! |
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| 10:27.02 | mystified | tried that no go |
| 10:27.44 | Humpelstilzchen | mystified: unmuted all devices? |
| 10:29.25 | mystified | now that i uninstalled i have nothing in the mixer |
| 10:29.54 | mystified | Card: HDA Intel F1: Help â |
| 10:29.54 | mystified | â Chip: Realtek ALC889A F2: System information â |
| 10:29.54 | mystified | â View: F3: Playback F4: Capture F5:[All] |
| 10:30.18 | mystified | nothing happens when i press the F keys |
| 10:31.55 | mystified | mixer working |
| 10:32.46 | Hestben | mystified: An no controls visible in alsamixer? |
| 10:33.00 | mystified | controls now working |
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| 10:33.14 | Hestben | Anything muted? |
| 10:33.42 | mystified | no. everything @Max |
| 10:34.06 | mystified | HDA Intel |
| 10:34.36 | Humpelstilzchen | mystified: it can be max and muted |
| 10:35.05 | mystified | not muted |
| 10:35.34 | mystified | no red X at bottom of master |
| 10:36.30 | Hestben | mystified: 'MM' in the rectangle indicates if it is muted |
| 10:37.39 | mystified | Ahh dont know what i did |
| 10:37.51 | mystified | now works with vlc |
| 10:38.37 | Hestben | mystified: Oh, that's the worst, when problems just seems to be solved by random stuff you did, and you don't remember |
| 10:38.38 | mystified | Thx |
| 10:38.47 | Hestben | good that it solved itself at least |
| 10:39.22 | mystified | may be it was unmuting & muting |
| 10:40.20 | mystified | Again a big thanks .. Now My teenage daughters , is screaming at me to get off and start game of thrones.. |
| 10:40.42 | mystified | Ungrateful shit ! |
| 10:40.47 | mystified | Thanks |
| 10:41.00 | mystified | I better go b4 I'm verbally abused. |
| 10:41.14 | mystified | Thanks again, for now Bye. |
| 10:41.19 | Hestben | mystified: glhf |
| 10:41.19 | mystified | :))))) |
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| 12:46.24 | Weeezy | I installed devuan last night on my laptop, when I got to the part where I select the desktop manager it only seemed to wanted to allow me to use XFCE, I selected Cinnamon and it sent me back saying there was an error, I selected Gnome and it sent me back saying there was an error. |
| 12:46.45 | KatolaZ | Weeezy: which installation media are you using? |
| 12:47.22 | Weeezy | I have the net install, beta 2 I think it's called |
| 12:47.57 | KatolaZ | can you say what kind of error it signals? |
| 12:48.48 | Weeezy | something to the effect there was an error in the selection of softwares. It was late so I don't remember the exact wording. |
| 12:49.14 | KatolaZ | the exact wording might help understanding what went wrong, actually |
| 12:50.04 | Weeezy | xfce was not what I wanted but I settled for it because it was the only thing working. Looks like I'll have to start over. |
| 12:51.43 | Weeezy | I'm assuming that any listed should have worked? |
| 12:52.15 | Weeezy | Is there an install iso that would be better to use next time perhaps? |
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| 12:53.07 | Weeezy | how about this, after the fact, is there a way to change to cinnamon or gnome? |
| 12:53.11 | fsmithred | Weeezy, will the system boot? |
| 12:53.32 | Weeezy | yes, it boots and it works fine as far as I can tell. |
| 12:53.47 | fsmithred | then you can install anything in the repo |
| 12:54.00 | fsmithred | or, if there's a problem, you'll get an error message |
| 12:55.12 | Weeezy | it was a very smooth installation until I got to the dm selection. and it was very smooth after. just kept looping me back. ok. thanks for the input. |
| 12:56.37 | KatolaZ | Wizzup: you don't need to install from scratch |
| 12:56.48 | KatolaZ | you can always install cinnamon from your current installation |
| 12:57.04 | KatolaZ | and then remove xfce when you are happy with your new environmant |
| 12:57.12 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.12 | infobot | well, environment is Normally, this is your surroundings. In your computer, the environment is what a group of variables are set to. Think of it as your computer's surroundings. |
| 12:57.33 | KatolaZ | can anyone disable ~ as an infobot command, please? |
| 12:57.39 | Weeezy | :) |
| 12:57.45 | fsmithred | talk to DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:58.06 | Weeezy | ok. I'll boot into it and try the cinnamon install. |
| 12:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 12:58.11 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 12:58.53 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: I was complaining about ~ being the alert signal to infobot |
| 12:58.54 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 12:59.05 | KatolaZ | it is normally used to correct words |
| 12:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's rather global |
| 12:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm I see |
| 12:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset #devuan |
| 12:59.53 | infobot | chan: #devuan (see _default also) |
| 12:59.53 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset _ |
| 13:00.04 | infobot | Showing _ values on all channels... |
| 13:00.04 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.04 | infobot | End of list. |
| 13:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for noise |
| 13:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | !chanset #devuan |
| 13:01.46 | infobot | chan: #devuan (see _default also) |
| 13:01.46 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | KatolaZ: better? |
| 13:03.57 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: thanks a pot DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:03.59 | KatolaZ | ~lot |
| 13:04.00 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 13:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.39 | fsmithred | what is it now? |
| 13:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | see above ;-) |
| 13:05.19 | fsmithred | I'm looking, but I don't see |
| 13:05.22 | KatolaZ | !infobot |
| 13:05.23 | infobot | well, infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! |
| 13:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | !botsnack |
| 13:05.28 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:05.41 | Weeezy | can anyone tell me exactly what package I need to install cinnamon desktop manager? |
| 13:06.04 | KatolaZ | like "cinnamon"? |
| 13:06.23 | KatolaZ | apt-get install cinnamon |
| 13:06.50 | KatolaZ | it should be a dummy package with all the needed dependencies |
| 13:06.56 | Weeezy | thanks. I"m sorry i know it's a dumb question but there are a hundred results for atp-cache search cinnamon |
| 13:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme try sth |
| 13:07.11 | KatolaZ | Weeezy: there is no dumb question |
| 13:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | !dfind cinnamon |
| 13:07.50 | fsmithred | install cinnamon or install task-cinnamon-desktop should work |
| 13:08.27 | fsmithred | if you wanted to be more selective, you could try cinnamon-core cinnamon-common and whatever other parts you think you want |
| 13:09.30 | fsmithred | does devuan exclude libpam-systemd by default? |
| 13:14.42 | Weeezy | I tink I found a problem. there are two unmet dependencies. |
| 13:15.11 | Weeezy | gnome-settings-daemon and network-manager-gnome |
| 13:15.21 | fsmithred | yeah, cinnamon depends on libpam-systemd and libpam-systemd depends on systemd |
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| 13:15.51 | fsmithred | I just tried installing cinnamon, and that's what I'm finding |
| 13:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you could ignore broken deps of gnome-settings-daemon and network-manager-gnome |
| 13:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter is pretty clear, no idea about the former |
| 13:17.55 | Weeezy | the network-manager makes me think. I have trouble with wifi on my debian cinnamon. |
| 13:18.52 | fsmithred | cinnamon-common will install, but cinnamon-core will not. |
| 13:19.18 | Weeezy | is that a workable combination? |
| 13:19.22 | fsmithred | it's not |
| 13:19.43 | Weeezy | gnome also is giving some dependency errors for me. |
| 13:19.46 | fsmithred | could you learn to love a different desktop? |
| 13:19.55 | fsmithred | mate maybe? |
| 13:20.05 | Weeezy | well, I"ve been using xfce, I want to move away from that. |
| 13:20.14 | Weeezy | I'll try mate |
| 13:20.34 | fsmithred | not sure if it works from the installer |
| 13:20.51 | fsmithred | but I know a couple of people have done it and posted their results |
| 13:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: you of course can address infobot by name |
| 13:22.04 | fsmithred | cool, thanks |
| 13:22.19 | fsmithred | Weeezy, it looks like mate will install |
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| 13:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how useful dfind is |
| 13:23.26 | fsmithred | what's it do? |
| 13:23.31 | Weeezy | ok. it looks good so far. |
| 13:23.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dfind |
| 13:24.16 | fsmithred | does it look at the debian repo? |
| 13:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, aiui |
| 13:24.37 | fsmithred | can it be changed to look at devuan repo? |
| 13:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course, if somebody would patch it and TimRiker implements the patch |
| 13:26.39 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: but isn't infobot a perl script? |
| 13:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think so, yes |
| 13:27.09 | KatolaZ | so why do we need to send the patch to anybody at all? |
| 13:27.19 | KatolaZ | we can have our local version of infobot |
| 13:27.24 | fsmithred | just change the url for the repo in the script |
| 13:27.25 | KatolaZ | which looks into devuan repos |
| 13:27.27 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 13:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you want it implemented on the bot, no? |
| 13:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have no access to the bot |
| 13:27.52 | fsmithred | ah, that presents a problem |
| 13:28.13 | Weeezy | From their home page: The name âMATEâ, pronounced Ma-Tay |
| 13:28.19 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: isn't the bot yours? |
| 13:28.24 | fsmithred | yes, it's an herb, Weeezy |
| 13:28.27 | KatolaZ | I thought you had put it here |
| 13:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | also the bot joins 124 channels and the command isn't chan specific |
| 13:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 13:28.44 | Weeezy | sorry, I can't use that pronounciation. haha |
| 13:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | !_default owner |
| 13:29.37 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 13:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | see chan #infobot and /topic there |
| 13:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | also /ns info infobot |
| 13:30.44 | fsmithred | gotta go - good luck Weeezy |
| 13:31.12 | Weeezy | that was nice to log in just to help out. |
| 13:31.29 | Weeezy | thanks man. |
| 13:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<KatolaZ> I thought you had put it here)) doesn't mean I run it |
| 13:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd also like to put sigyn here despite it's run by freenode ;-) |
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| 13:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot is obviously "18 years old" already, here on freenode. I didn't even know what's IRC back when :-) |
| 13:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | KatolaZ: anyway patches are welcome by Tim. Here's the topic from #infobot chan: >>Welcome to the infobot channel || Latest version: 1.5.3 @ https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2241 || SVN: 1.5.4 http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || Blootbot merged into infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl run by TimRiker<< |
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| 13:42.03 | Weeezy | any tips on how transition to using mate from xfce? |
| 13:43.16 | AntoFox | Weeezy: what you need? |
| 13:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I missed >>we can have our local version of infobot<< -- we could, yes. But then no database, which is the soul of infobot |
| 13:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | also the mere fact that the bot is on 124some channels is a benefit in itself, for a number of aspects |
| 13:45.10 | Hestben | AntoFox: I think it boiled down to a dependency problem getting mate |
| 13:45.25 | Weeezy | AntoFox, I just installed mate from xfce, I don't know how to switch to it. |
| 13:47.15 | AntoFox | open the menu e clik on "log out" |
| 13:47.46 | AntoFox | click |
| 13:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | he did, so... :-P |
| 13:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope the rest is clear |
| 13:49.29 | AntoFox | I hope press F1 to select mate |
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| 13:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, I log in 4 times a year, and I seem to faintly recall there's a menu to select desktop on my system, in the login manager |
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| 13:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless user chosen automatic login, in which case I don't know if you even can log out |
| 13:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl-alt-backspace should prolly always work ;-P |
| 13:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | DO NOT test that, it kills X11 |
| 13:54.03 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: Does it? |
| 13:54.16 | Hestben | I remember a discussion about that a long while ago |
| 13:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it did, last time I hit it accidentally, a maybe 2 years ago |
| 13:54.54 | Hestben | emacs users accidentally pushed that combination, so they pushed to remove that default key binding |
| 13:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure you could disable that |
| 13:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly *never* used emacs, and I very much hope nobody messed with such essential system settings without asking me if I want that |
| 13:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | for fresh installations that's another story though |
| 13:57.27 | Hestben | I think it must have been at least 4 years ago, so I guess you were spared somehow |
| 13:57.37 | Hestben | I never used emacs much either |
| 13:58.00 | Hestben | vi is just available everywhere, and seems cooler |
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| 14:56.43 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: I don't think emacs is the reason why CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE doea not kill X any more |
| 14:56.57 | KatolaZ | actually, that sequence has never been used by default in emacs.... |
| 14:57.03 | KatolaZ | AFAIK |
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| 14:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, wasn't me who claimed that |
| 14:57.28 | KatolaZ | oh sorry :) |
| 14:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I blame systemd cabal if in doubt ;-) |
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| 14:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are notorious for "user doesn't need that" 'optimizations' that fubar your settings |
| 14:58.41 | KatolaZ | it was actually removed long before systemd was born, IIRC |
| 14:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope it never been *removed*, just default for a setting changed |
| 14:59.32 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: you can have it back if you like |
| 14:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* I kept it |
| 15:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is exactly what I'd expect a decent mainenance would accomplish: keep settings of old system when upgrading |
| 15:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm reluctant to test it ;-) |
| 15:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I could open a second user session, and try if it's kill-able |
| 15:01.43 | Hestben | http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-March/msg01821.html |
| 15:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | pleased to see common sense prevails |
| 15:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the right arguments been said in that one email |
| 15:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | though that was in pre-"let's do it the leete way" times that started with systemd the latest |
| 15:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I think the true inventors of such rotten mindset are freedesktop.org and gnome |
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| 15:16.29 | KatolaZ | Hestben: it is clear from that email that emacs is not the cause |
| 15:16.37 | KatolaZ | but anyway, emacs is not the cause |
| 15:17.01 | KatolaZ | there are many good reasons to avoid that a regular user can kill a running X server |
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| 15:20.49 | Hestben | KatolaZ: I see, I remembered and interpreted wrong. |
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| 15:22.25 | KatolaZ | Hestben: no worries ;) |
| 15:22.42 | KatolaZ | I also remember and interpret wrong all the times :) |
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| 18:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm. I have a debian based server I consider switching to devuan. I have no clue where to start, so I look at https://devuan.org/ first |
| 18:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Documentation" has some links, maybe "FAQ" is what I want? |
| 18:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not helpful |
| 18:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, maybe https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home aka "Chillfanâs aka dev1fanboy wiki" might be more useful, despite the link text not really suggesting it was genuine info |
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| 18:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas it takes ages to load, seems server is busy |
| 18:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/16/plasma-desktopK17764.png |
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| 18:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan is what I think should get a more prominent bold link on https://devuan.org/ |
| 18:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and some degree of "official approval" |
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| 20:42.30 | robert-e | Centurion_Dan2: I am sure you know this..the 2 lines in interface file are: auto lo and iface lo inet loopback nothing else was needed to make nm work. Thanks for your good work. |
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