IRC log for #devuan on 20170226

00:00.15Xenguylive, are we?  :)
00:01.24fsmithredno, but I downgraded to previous versions
00:01.46Xenguynice
00:02.03fsmithreddon't know if it matters, or if it does matter, whether it makes a difference
00:02.10DeFender1031any response on what the deal is with these updates?
00:02.25fsmithredno, and I forgot to log back into #debian
00:16.26DeFender1031https://www.debian.org/security/2017/dsa-3793
00:16.37DeFender1031apparently the update is legit at least.
00:16.46Xenguyty DeFender1031
00:17.48DeFender1031as for not being able to complete it becuase stuff is already running, that's another issue entirely.
00:17.59DeFender1031I have not yet attempted to update it myself.
00:18.12XenguyI think I might wait a bit
00:18.48DeFender1031looks like a pretty serious vulnerability though
00:20.43XenguyIt seems to be about local users, which is better than remote of course
00:21.40DeFender1031sure
00:22.11DeFender1031fsmithred, question: when attempting the upgrade, did it bork your system or did it just fail to install?
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00:24.08fsmithredDeFender1031, it just complained. After reboot (for new kernel) I upgraded login again, and it did not complain.
00:24.27fsmithredsame thing happened on downgrade - complained the first time, after reboot, did not complain
00:24.29DeFender1031Xenguy, on the other hand, plenty of stuff runs as user, and if, say, a browser vulnerability could be coupled with this attack, it would become remote.
00:24.42DeFender1031hmm
00:25.33fsmithredDeFender1031, thanks for finding the security advisory
00:26.29DeFender1031fsmithred, worked fine for me. I'm all upgraded.
00:26.40DeFender1031I suspect it may have had to do with your kernel upgrade
00:26.48DeFender1031(your issue i mean.)
00:26.57DeFender1031also, i didn't find it exactly...
00:27.08DeFender1031[2/26/2017 2:18:05 am] <DeFender1031> was there an update to passwd and login recently?
00:27.10DeFender1031[2/26/2017 2:18:25 am] <missmbob> yes
00:27.11DeFender1031[2/26/2017 2:18:36 am] <DeFender1031> where can I find details?
00:27.13DeFender1031[2/26/2017 2:19:01 am] <missmbob> https://www.debian.org/security/2017/dsa-3793
00:27.17XenguyI'll dive in and upgrade then, and report back
00:27.17DeFender1031(In #debian)
00:27.54fsmithredgotta ask questions the right way, I guess
00:28.14fsmithredso I guess I can upgrade again
00:28.15DeFender1031yeah. I checked the log and noticed that you had not quite taken the direct approach, so I figured what the hell.
00:29.02XenguyUpgrade was fine, yay
00:29.23DeFender1031Glad to hear it.
00:31.28DeFender1031fsmithred, no criticism for not taking the direct approach, btw... I've been burned a lot in there from taking the direct approach. Part of why I like devuan so much is how chill, patient, and helpful people in here are.
00:33.37XenguyWell spoken, I feel the same way
00:34.26fsmithrednp
00:34.33fsmithredI didn't take it as criticism
00:34.59fsmithredand even if I did, I'd try to take something useful from it
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00:44.28AlexLikeRockhelp
00:44.44AlexLikeRocki try to install privative  drivers
00:45.48AlexLikeRockwith nvidia -kernel -304xx-.....
00:46.07AlexLikeRockkernel 4.9
00:46.16AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
00:46.18AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
00:46.21fsmithredusing packages from repo or binary from nvidia site
00:46.27AlexLikeRockrepos
00:46.37fsmithredoh, you're in ascii?
00:47.29AlexLikeRockyes
00:47.43AlexLikeRockand   some  web page,,  i see
00:47.59AlexLikeRock"add   id hardware to  xorg-config
00:48.02fsmithredwhat I've seen in the past is that debian packages for nvidia don't work until testing becomes stable
00:48.05AlexLikeRockBusID           "PCI00:0d.0"
00:48.15AlexLikeRockits  rigth  like that ?
00:48.29fsmithredcheck your lspci output
00:48.39fsmithredit'll tell you what bus your video is on
00:49.14AlexLikeRock.
00:49.15AlexLikeRock00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
00:49.41fsmithredyeah, that looks like it matches
00:49.52AlexLikeRockmy  question its
00:50.06AlexLikeRockBusID           "PCI00:0d.0"     OR       BusID           "00:0d.0"
00:50.12AlexLikeRockfirsth or  second ?
00:50.23fsmithreddon't know. I'd have to search for an example
00:52.49fsmithredwhenever I use nvidia drivers, I install from the nvidia binaries
00:53.30AlexLikeRockyears ago, i install nvidia binaries,   and  make  hard to UNISTALL
00:53.45fsmithredcan you run nvidia-xconfig?
00:54.48AlexLikeRockres
00:54.50AlexLikeRockyes
00:55.09AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
00:55.52fsmithredI can never remember how to install nvidia from repo
00:56.04fsmithredor remove
00:56.17fsmithredguess I'm just used to the other way
00:56.36fsmithredbrb
00:59.08fsmithredAlexLikeRock, you read the debian wiki on nvidia install?
01:03.53AlexLikeRockfsmithred,
01:03.58AlexLikeRocknot  soo  much info
01:03.59AlexLikeRockhttps://wiki.debian.org/es/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.2BAKs-Wheezy.2BALs-
01:05.22fsmithredGeForce 7025? Is that an old card?
01:06.44AlexLikeRockyes
01:06.58AlexLikeRocklike 10 years
01:07.12AlexLikeRockstill workin my TM GYGABYTE
01:07.17AlexLikeRock:)
01:07.43fsmithredmight be too old for legacy driver
01:08.12fsmithredI had to replace my card for nvidia drivers to work in jessie -that was a 5750
01:08.30fsmithredbut I don't see 7000 series listed at nvidia site
01:08.46AlexLikeRockhahahaha
01:09.42AlexLikeRock# nvidia-detect
01:09.42AlexLikeRockDetected NVIDIA GPUs:
01:09.42AlexLikeRock00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] [10de:03d6] (rev a2)
01:09.42AlexLikeRockChecking card:  NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
01:09.42AlexLikeRockYour card is only supported up to the 304 legacy drivers series.
01:09.44AlexLikeRockIt is recommended to install the
01:09.46AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
01:09.48AlexLikeRockpackage.
01:10.08fsmithredok, try that
01:10.21AlexLikeRockits  instaled
01:11.14fsmithredand that model is listed for the 304 driver
01:12.18fsmithredI've never gotten the debian packages to work in Testing
01:12.35fsmithredsqueeze/wheezy/jessie
01:14.24AlexLikeRocki do
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02:35.16AlexLikeRockhelp
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03:08.54AlexLikeRockDevuan GNU/Linux 1
03:16.02Xenguyvlc?
03:16.13Xenguybrowser?
03:17.06AlexLikeRockstartx
03:17.49AlexLikeRockXenguy,   http://paste.debian.net/916849/
03:19.31XenguyI wonder if it's more nividia madness?
03:20.36XenguyTo be honest, I have to wonder what hardware it is, cos I haven't seen Xorg problems with Linux installs for a really long time
03:22.16XenguySearch the error message, and check you logs, and lastly if necessary check the hardware compatability if necessary
03:22.22Xenguy*your
03:22.55golinuxHave you tried to let sgfxi set up your card?    http://smxi.org/
03:22.56AlexLikeRocki done  all
03:23.02XenguyBut I'd check Nvidia stuff first
03:23.13AlexLikeRockmy   GPU  its legacy
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03:26.06golinuxXenguy: sgfxi will install Nvidia stuff if it's available
03:31.48XenguySounds like a good shot for AlexLikeRock then
03:32.03AlexLikeRocktoo  bad :-(
03:32.28Xenguyso sad
03:32.39AlexLikeRockranking   at     http://distrowatch.com   place #     108       Devuan GNU+Linux
03:32.45AlexLikeRockvery  good
03:33.06XenguyThere's so many distros nowadays, amazing
03:33.34AlexLikeRockactive   distro
03:33.49AlexLikeRockingeneral  its   #126
03:34.10XenguyIt'll be there for those who need it
03:34.49AlexLikeRockgolinux,
03:34.53XenguyI feel I do, else it's probably into the BSDs, which is fine, but I like Linux a lot, and know it well enough
03:34.57AlexLikeRockdo you   wan a  help me ?
03:35.24AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
03:36.39AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
03:36.50AlexLikeRocklooks  like  go up ..
03:36.51AlexLikeRockup...
03:36.59AlexLikeRockuuuup! :->
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04:44.15AlexLikeRockany one  to hel me ?  https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=582
04:47.38fsmithredAlexLikeRock, what display manager are you using?
04:47.50AlexLikeRockCTR
04:47.56fsmithredwhat's that?
04:48.05fsmithredoh, CRT?
04:48.14fsmithredmonitor?
04:48.17fsmithredI mean...
04:48.30fsmithredare you using gdm, kdm, slim, lightdm?
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04:49.39AlexLikeRockligthdm
04:49.53AlexLikeRocktanks  for your  help
04:50.34fsmithredwell, I don't know if I have any help for you
04:51.02fsmithredI saw 'startx' above, and I wanted to say that you must have a display manager to get X running in ascii
04:51.46fsmithredwhich nvidia packages did you install?
04:52.16fsmithreddpkg -l |grep nvidia
04:55.49AlexLikeRockhttp://paste.debian.net/916857/
04:57.43fsmithredyou have at least two versions installed
04:58.11fsmithredI think you need to uninstall one version and everything that belongs to that version
04:58.39fsmithredit may not be easy to separate them
04:58.59fsmithredI would uninstall everything nvidia and start over with only the correct driver
04:59.03fsmithred304
04:59.10fsmithrednot 340
05:00.27AlexLikeRockInstall the 2 after 3 hours, because I was desperate, no solutions
05:00.35AlexLikeRockok , unisntalling  340
05:02.54fsmithredyou have the longest list of nvidia packages I've ever seen
05:03.09fsmithredwhich ones go with 304 and which ones go with 340?
05:03.45fsmithredcan you tell?
05:09.44fsmithredI would get rid of all of it. Keep running 'dpkg -l |grep nvidia' and removing until it's all gone.
05:09.50fsmithredthen install nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
05:10.23fsmithredyou probably need to also install nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-setting, but those might come with the first package
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05:12.32AlexLikeRockdone
05:12.33AlexLikeRockhttp://paste.debian.net/916861/
05:23.21fsmithredwhat did you do?
05:24.43fsmithred<fsmithred> I would get rid of all of it. Keep running 'dpkg -l |grep nvidia' and removing until it's all gone.
05:24.43fsmithred<fsmithred> then install nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
05:24.43fsmithred<fsmithred> you probably need to also install nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-setting, but those might come with the first package
05:24.49fsmithredI have to go to sleep
05:24.52fsmithredgood luck
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05:28.13AlexLikeRockaptitude install nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
05:28.13AlexLikeRocknvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms its  installed at last  version  (304.134-2)
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05:29.57AlexLikeRockits installed    nvidia-xconfig
05:30.00AlexLikeRock.
05:30.05AlexLikeRockaptitude install  nvidia-setting
05:30.05AlexLikeRockCouldn't find any package whose name is "nvidia-setting", but there are 3 packages which contain "nvidia-setting" in their name:
05:30.05AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
05:30.05AlexLikeRockUnable to apply some actions, aborting
05:30.16AlexLikeRockdam!
05:31.09LeoTh3oyou likely mis-spelt it, try again with 'nvidia-settings', and before installing, check that it loads the legacy driver
05:31.14LeoTh3oer, legacy version*
05:31.27LeoTh3oyou'll want all the pieces of the driver to match
05:32.16AlexLikeRockpuff!
05:32.24AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
05:32.30AlexLikeRockbig  deal !!!!!
05:33.10AlexLikeRockhold on !
05:33.14AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
05:35.28AlexLikeRockii  nvidia-settings                        375.26-3                             i386         tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
05:38.30LeoTh3oit sounds to me like a metapackage, which should install the appropriate version along with itself
05:38.40LeoTh3oif you only have nvidia-settings, it looks a bit weird to me
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05:42.41AlexLikeRockyes  its  like  a  Bug
05:44.57LeoTh3oare you sure you purged all the packages before?
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05:53.22AlexLikeRocktake a  look
05:53.43AlexLikeRockhttps://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure
05:53.55AlexLikeRockwhat  its that   /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf    ?????
05:54.06AlexLikeRocknew  garbage  to systemd ?
05:56.38LeoTh3ono/not necessarily? I don't know all the ins and outs of your specific system and of what you're trying to install, and I got only a page of log, which is not most helpful to understand
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13:14.22hellekinis git.do working for you?
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13:48.39parazydi sometimes get internal-api-unreachable errors when pushing commits
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15:45.15hellekinyup same here.
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16:30.15jaromilparazyd: here we go https://github.com/dyne/tinfoil
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19:33.21leafwizHey, there is some software that I would like to try out that uses docker. I don't know anything about docker, when I do apt-cache search docker, I don't find it under ascii/ceres
19:33.53leafwizIs docker tied to systemd? therefore it is not available to devuan?
19:35.10leafwizor is it just part of another package. Sorry if this is an RTFM question.
19:37.25wulllstwell, i can find it through apt
19:37.52wulllstok, i'm in jessie...
19:42.04leafwizah.. oki
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19:48.42leafwizthe name of the package is docker-engine?
19:52.29pydsignerleafwiz: You can use it without systemd.
19:58.37leafwizpydsigner: I see, just confused about docker vs docker-compose.
20:00.00leafwizI have to read up on it
20:00.19leafwizseems docker-compose is a new version of docker?
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20:19.30pydsignerEhhhhh not really
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