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| 00:26.20 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:04.07 | NewGnuGuy | golinux: The Devuan website is one of the best examples I know of for a site that works well in a CLI web browser like Lynx. |
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| 01:10.57 | Xenguy | I've notice that sometimes SSL negotiation will fail or glitch with some web sites (not devuan.org) when using a text browser like elinks |
| 01:11.56 | Xenguy | When that happens, an alternate text browser like w3m or lynx will usually work |
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| 01:41.32 | golinux | NewGnuGuy: That's good to know. Thanks. |
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| 01:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the packagelist is just those packages forked or genuinely introduced by devuan. |
| 01:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | !bug |
| 01:59.16 | infobot | well, #devuan bugtracker is https://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html, or "make sure the destination email address in reportbug is submit@bugs.devuan.org ! " |
| 02:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | about sttaic website generators: I got Pelican on my website, since we needed it for implementing a blog of sorts. It's a PITA, basically |
| 02:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not any php though, rather some python stuff iirc |
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| 02:06.48 | gnarface | php is fast if you know what you're doing. most the free php training docs don't really encourage knowing what you're doing though... |
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| 02:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | php is hell, I had the "pleasure" to deal with it on maemo where it been used for list processing (basically unrelated to anything html) in context of midgard, and it failed miserably to free objects in the loop that processed record after record of those 50 or 100k records. We had aborts thanks to out-of-RAM *all the time* no matter how many dozens of gigabyte RAM we allocated to that VM |
| 02:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only solution I finally could come up with been to only process a hundred some records, then exit the loop and quit the php job, just to invoke it again from a bash script, with a pointer pointing to the next unprocessed record |
| 02:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | half a dozedn devels tried to fix that stuff within php, just to no success |
| 02:14.09 | Evilham | DocScrutinizer05: dynamic content for pages that are mostly static is probably not the way to go. However having something like webnomad (from what I figured, it requires only zsh and pandoc) seems to be interesting |
| 02:14.46 | Evilham | basically regenerating the pages on change; similar to pelican / hyde / whatever, but simpler |
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| 02:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, Pelican wouldn't be all that bad if it wasn't basing on git which I *hate* and have no clue about |
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| 02:15.29 | Schallaven | https://xkcd.com/1597/ |
| 02:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet that's git xkcd |
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| 02:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I know that number ;-) |
| 02:16.12 | Evilham | it is ^^ |
| 02:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | oog it's not |
| 02:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://xkcd.com/1296/ is what I meant |
| 02:16.59 | Schallaven | the other one, yes |
| 02:17.00 | Schallaven | :) |
| 02:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1597 is nice and to the point |
| 02:18.19 | Evilham | I'm off, read you people around |
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| 04:44.15 | Megalex | Hello! I'm thinking about switching to devuan, are there any obvious limitations or it works fine for every day use? |
| 04:49.38 | Juesto | Megalex: Debian without systemd should be more than enough |
| 04:50.17 | Megalex | Like can it run steam? |
| 04:57.50 | Juesto | sure why not |
| 04:58.08 | Megalex | I dunno lol. Cool I'll try it out |
| 04:58.15 | Megalex | Thanks |
| 04:59.42 | Juesto | Megalex: besides being systemd-free it's a standard Debian |
| 05:27.08 | robru | sup devuan |
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| 06:50.08 | specing | Megalex: it also runs FOSS games |
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| 10:10.16 | _abc_ | Hello. Anyone here booted devuan jessie on a H110 cheap main board please? That's a $60 low end chipset frequently used in low end fanless pc's. |
| 10:10.38 | _abc_ | Am interested in the drivers situation. Worky/not worky. |
| 10:11.09 | _abc_ | ? |
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| 10:21.34 | Evilham | _abc_: had you given it already a shot with debian? |
| 10:21.54 | Evilham | if so, support should be the same as in debian jessie |
| 10:22.06 | _abc_ | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/10/msg00431.html ^ |
| 10:22.13 | _abc_ | The answer is not yet. |
| 10:22.34 | _abc_ | Intend to buy a system based on that main board, may buy another because I HAVE to run devuan on it. See thread @link |
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| 10:24.15 | _abc_ | Suggest a low end all in one pc mainboard known to work with debian jessie+ out of the box? |
| 10:24.25 | Evilham | I imagine Felix' response on that mailinglist applies here as well, probably not supported with jessie, but supported in ascii |
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| 10:53.46 | aitor | hi |
| 10:54.38 | _abc_ | Thanks |
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| 10:57.38 | aitor | i removed completely udev/udevadm, and now vdev works in live mode |
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| 10:59.04 | aitor | i did some changes in live-boot for that, here you are a live image (still not installable): |
| 10:59.05 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/vdev-live/ |
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| 11:34.09 | aitor | today i'll try again packaging linux-heads with grsecurity,the kernel builds succesfully in jessie with gcc-4.9 and kernel-wedge-2.90 |
| 11:37.12 | aitor | nobody here? |
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| 11:39.46 | Evilham | :-D that is very cool aitor |
| 11:40.04 | aitor | yes, thanks :) |
| 11:40.07 | Evilham | I was planning on trying some stuff out and maybe adopting the auto-updates package |
| 11:40.14 | Evilham | I saw there is a bug there |
| 11:40.20 | Evilham | a reported one that is |
| 11:41.18 | Evilham | just spent 5 minutes discovering that the Devuan Vagrant box does not have rsyslog installed >,< looking like a mad person for the auth logs |
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| 14:22.41 | Wasp | Hi, I was trying to build a package via debuild but after some other pitfalls maybe you like to like to know that the script fails in /usr/bin/lintian line 979 because the vendor "devuan" is unknown. |
| 14:22.50 | Wasp | "Could not find a profile matching "{VENDOR}/main" for vendor devuan at /usr/bin/lintian line 979." |
| 14:23.34 | KatolaZ | Wasp: there is a package devuan-lintian-profile |
| 14:23.56 | Wasp | ... even though debuild resp. dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:24.15 | KatolaZ | Wasp: you should install devuan-lintian-profile |
| 14:24.24 | Wasp | okay, will check this |
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| 14:25.51 | Wasp | 16:23:56 < Wasp> ... even though debuild resp. dpkg-buildpackage .. seems to finish without an error. * |
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| 14:54.37 | Wasp | yupp runs fine |
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| 15:15.29 | gnu_srs1 | Wasp: lintian --profile debian |
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| 16:40.37 | qw__ | guys is it possible to configure specific options for 1 package in unattended-upgrades? |
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| 16:40.43 | qw__ | for example I want a package to respond 'N' when it asks to replece configs |
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| 16:50.02 | adqm | hi all, i am having a problem that has been asked about here before, but i haven't been able to find any resolution online. fresh install, upgraded to ascii, installed xinit. running startx as root works fine, but running startx as my user gives an error: modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: Permission denied. any ideas? |
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| 16:55.13 | fsmithred | adqm, did you install xserver-xorg-legacy? |
| 16:56.37 | adqm | fsmithred: yes, it's showing up as already installed and the newest version |
| 17:00.42 | fsmithred | and you have no display manager? |
| 17:01.41 | adqm | right. my usual setup is just login from the console, startx into openbox |
| 17:02.05 | fsmithred | I was told to try this and it worked: echo "needs_root_rights=yes" >> /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
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| 17:04.10 | adqm | okay, great, thanks. i will give that a shot in just a few (wasn't expecting such a quick response, so started some other packages installing; now have to wait for them to finish) |
| 17:05.40 | adqm | fsmithred: wow, that did it. thanks so much! |
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| 17:39.05 | aitor | hi |
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| 17:45.17 | bluemarlin | evenin to you aitor |
| 17:45.23 | aitor | :) |
| 18:04.35 | aitor | i downloaded this book, it's in spanish: |
| 18:04.38 | aitor | https://files.dyne.org/books/internet-hackers-y-software-libre.pdf |
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| 18:34.27 | bluemarlin | come to #debianfork before golinux gets angry :) |
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| 19:00.32 | golinux | LOL! |
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| 19:04.33 | aitor | hi again |
| 19:08.50 | aitor | i did some changes in the debian branch of linux-heads and i'm trying again, i hadn't enough battery power this afternoon |
| 19:12.54 | aitor | it'll take a few hours, see you :) |
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| 19:16.42 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 19:45.39 | gnu_srs1 | Asking here too (in addition to devuan-dev): Debian has a (obsoleted) package called init-select. Anything for us? |
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| 20:12.57 | gnarface | gnu_srs1: just called "init" now maybe? |
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| 21:38.54 | greenjeans | hi |
| 21:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | gnu_srs: I guess that's the zombie that once allowed selection of init system you want to install? |
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| 22:54.16 | aitor | hi |
| 22:54.37 | Schallaven | o/ |
| 22:54.46 | aitor | linux-heads is building succesfully :) |
| 22:54.48 | Schallaven | \o/ |
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| 22:59.35 | aitor | the packages are being generated now: |
| 22:59.37 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/2017-07-04--1499129749_462x324_scrot.png |
| 23:00.20 | aitor | time to bed, see you tomorrow |
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| 23:24.49 | greenjeans | Sometimes a graph is worth a thousand words: https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-issues.svg |
| 23:25.29 | greenjeans | garbage always gets stinkier as time goes by ;) |
| 23:26.43 | golinux | Yeah, that's a classic |
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| 23:36.02 | matlock | I had a hardware failure, took a chance to try the new debian 9 but immediately ran into systemd dependencies, also tried openbsd again remembered how much easier linux is (which says a lot), so now reinstalling devuan |
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| 23:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | re https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-issues.svg I wonder ehat happened around 2016-03 to -04. WONTFIX orgy? |
| 23:55.25 | Xenguy | I had ideas about openbsd, and I may still try it, but I'm starting to think yer right matlock - linux (devuan?) is easier |
| 23:57.05 | Xenguy | I wasn't sure how to interpret that graph, as I don't have a sense if 600 is 'a lot' or 'typical' |
| 23:57.39 | Xenguy | I mean obviously the bugs were multiplying |
| 23:58.22 | Xenguy | Looks like they fixed 500 out of 600 or something? |
| 23:59.16 | Xenguy | (In as much as you can 'fix' something of that design) |
