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| 03:01.30 | csmall | Does Devuan offer an unstable branch? |
| 03:08.31 | gnarface | yes |
| 03:08.39 | gnarface | devuan ceres tracks debian sid |
| 03:09.29 | csmall | Excellent! So I could install Devuan ceres and basically have a sid/unstable install without systemd? |
| 03:10.36 | golinux | csmall: It's recommended to start with jessie and work your way up |
| 03:11.42 | csmall | OK. So install jessie and change sources.list to ceres followed by an apt-get upgrae && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 03:12.08 | csmall | Exciting. I just heard of the project and thought I was stuck with systemd if I wanted o keep Debian |
| 03:14.03 | gnarface | csmall: wait wait |
| 03:14.26 | gnarface | csmall: start with jessie, upgrade to *ascii* (testing) and THEN *ceres* (unstable) |
| 03:14.49 | csmall | OK. Tht's what I did with Debian as well. |
| 03:14.57 | gnarface | csmall: as with debian, skipping a release during upgrade is unsupported, as is downgrading - it might work, mostly, most of the time, but when it doesn't, it'll be too late for you to undo |
| 03:15.31 | csmall | I have a laptop with really new hardware and event getting sid running was a bit of a pain but if Devuan is just mirroring Debian then I think I will be OK. |
| 03:15.44 | csmall | ~even |
| 03:16.02 | gnarface | csmall: you can probably just "upgrade" from sid staight over to ceres if that install isn't hosed. |
| 03:16.30 | gnarface | some stuff may get removed in the process |
| 03:16.31 | csmall | I have it running great at the moment |
| 03:17.31 | csmall | Would changing sources.list and upgrading to ceres remove systemd and replace it with a normal init? |
| 03:19.37 | gnarface | probably, but if not there's an easy way to force it out with pinning |
| 03:20.59 | csmall | OK. This is great news. I use sid for newer software/rolling etc. Ceres sounds like what I have been looking for. systemd is for the birds. |
| 03:21.41 | gnarface | no argument here |
| 03:22.34 | gnarface | csmall: i think also a package called 'devuan-baseconf' in the repos still that contains the proper apt pinning rule |
| 03:22.53 | gnarface | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/Ceres-without-Systemd |
| 03:23.09 | csmall | gnarface: OK. Thanks man! |
| 03:23.45 | gnarface | that one does the job, but i'm paranoid so i made one a little more defensively: http://paste.debian.net/975832/ |
| 03:23.55 | gnarface | no problem csmall, good luck :) |
| 03:24.34 | csmall | gnarface: Not a bad idea. |
| 03:29.35 | csmall | gnarface: Do you know if GNOME depens on systemd in Debian? |
| 03:29.43 | csmall | ~depends |
| 03:33.55 | gnarface | csmall: it does afaik, but i think some work has been done to make it work in devuan without it, there are only minor regressions (i think it can't hibernate or show temperatures and such) |
| 03:34.17 | gnarface | csmall: i'm taking off for dinner, but i'll probably be back in a a few hours |
| 03:34.28 | gnarface | (in case you run into issues nobody else here can help with) |
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| 03:34.35 | gnarface | you should be fine though |
| 03:34.41 | csmall | OK. I'll look into it more. Thanks! |
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| 04:26.13 | timeless | are there packages for mariadb in devuan? |
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| 04:49.25 | timeless | has anyone tried add-apt-repository? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bSTOGTGJ/ |
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| 05:15.55 | timeless | https://http.us.devuan.org/ could use a cert... |
| 05:21.24 | timeless | Adding files: /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Devuan.* "fixes" add-apt-repository |
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| 06:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://http.us.devuan.org/ what the heck, where from is that URL? |
| 06:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly bogus and only working thanks to a subdomain catch-all |
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| 06:57.32 | detha | https://dns.wildcards.confuse.people.devuan.org/ |
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| 07:08.31 | KatolaZ | timeless: that's a wildcard... |
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| 07:56.11 | rdav | hey hey tp! |
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| 10:37.26 | parazyd | i fail to find it |
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| 13:27.22 | timeless | KatolaZ: yes, i know |
| 13:27.56 | timeless | Here's my very naive .info file https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kTvbfmu3/%2Fusr%2Fshare%2Fpython-apt%2Ftemplates%2FDevuan.info |
| 13:28.32 | timeless | and my even more naive .mirrors file https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HnLpRe1L/%2Fusr%2Fshare%2Fpython-apt%2Ftemplates%2FDevuan.mirrors |
| 13:29.29 | timeless | init-system-helpers@1.24+devuan1.0 (/usr/bin/deb-systemd-helper) is um... not doing me any favors, has anyone encountered it? |
| 13:29.57 | timeless | oh, it claims to be able to support non systemd systems |
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| 13:53.21 | timeless | grumbles |
| 13:53.27 | timeless | `lesspipe.sh` is bashist |
| 13:54.11 | timeless | has anyone else hit this? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wIJnpDnJ/ |
| 13:54.59 | parazyd | what's the shebang in the file? |
| 13:55.13 | parazyd | mentions of brackets indicate arrays |
| 13:55.19 | parazyd | (usually) |
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| 14:29.44 | timeless | ok, resolved |
| 14:29.54 | timeless | turns out the lesspipe.sh is from rhel6 |
| 14:30.33 | timeless | the lesspipe.sh there points to /bin/sh which in rhel is indeed bash |
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| 14:44.49 | timeless | ok, after a lot of prodding (and installing rsyslog), i now have mariadb running-- not quite sure what got it working |
| 14:45.20 | timeless | my solution to the lesspipe.sh was to write an alias in ~/.bash_profile: `alias lxc-attach='LESSOPEN= lxc-attach '` |
| 14:46.10 | timeless | that prevents the rhel6 LESSOPEN var from transiting the lxc boundary into my debian/devuan world where less doesn't cooperate with `LESSOPEN=||/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s` |
| 14:47.59 | Evilham | interesting :) |
| 14:48.06 | Evilham | are you trying to fix the .deb? |
| 14:48.18 | Evilham | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.41 | Evilham | * for devuan |
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| 15:40.40 | timeless | the lesspipe.sh file itself was my attempt to "fix" my headache from less complaining it couldn't find the item referenced by LESSOPEN |
| 15:40.53 | timeless | the only fix that works is the alias. i'm definitely not going to offer that |
| 15:41.15 | timeless | the two pastebins earlier about Devuan.info/Devuan.mirrors is something that should be worked on |
| 15:42.04 | timeless | python-apt-common=0.9.3.12 from http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages should be patched to include files like them |
| 15:42.11 | timeless | but preferably w/ much less bogus data |
| 15:42.34 | timeless | (that's needed for add-apt-repository to work nicely) |
| 15:43.29 | timeless | returns to not understanding how this php app is working (well, it's actually failing...) |
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| 16:15.26 | timeless | anyone know if php7.0 is likely to be available in devuan? |
| 16:15.28 | timeless | i see it in debian stetch stable: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/php7.0 |
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| 16:21.23 | LeoTh3o | timeless: considering that Jessie is the equivalent of Debian Jessie, I don't think so |
| 16:21.28 | LeoTh3o | you can see if it's in ascii, though |
| 16:21.36 | timeless | i finally found https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg15243.html |
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| 16:22.00 | timeless | so it looks like it's there |
| 16:22.57 | timeless | of course, that means remembering pin preference syntax |
| 16:22.57 | timeless | has that somewhere |
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| 16:44.51 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 16:50.46 | timeless | turns out, the system i'm using that works has php7 from dotdeb |
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| 17:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | excuse my ignorance: how would I fix a process in RAM so it doesn't get swapped out? |
| 17:35.23 | ElDiabolo | Is there a working migration path from stretch to ascii? |
| 17:38.20 | ElDiabolo | Where can I read or better search dvuan package lists? |
| 17:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | please don't answer "lennart's cgroups" ;-) |
| 17:40.10 | bluemarlin | I always thought that processes that aren't lazying around don't get swapped |
| 17:41.34 | bluemarlin | don't know any other method than lennart's trick though... |
| 17:41.51 | fsmithred | buy more RAM |
| 17:42.34 | Hestben | or disable swap |
| 17:42.50 | fsmithred | ElDiabolo, you can poke around at packages.devuan.org. Someone is working on a better interface for that, but it's not ready yet. |
| 17:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | heard all this, not applicable |
| 17:43.13 | ElDiabolo | fsmithred, Thx |
| 17:43.24 | fsmithred | pretty much everything in debian is in devuan |
| 17:43.29 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: Don't run other processes that compete for RAM |
| 17:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me refine my question: is there a cmdline tool to run a process under mlockall() now? |
| 17:44.36 | fsmithred | some packages in ascii still need work, so you may run into some difficulties. |
| 17:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/mlock.2.html |
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| 17:45.16 | fsmithred | especially if you're trying to upgrade from stretch to ascii. |
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| 17:51.34 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: this looks use-able: write a dynamic library and LD_PRELOAD it, couldnt that work for you? https://stackoverflow.com/a/37824875/6350644 |
| 17:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | for obvious reasons, in real life neither adding RAM nor disabling swap nor avoiding concurrent processes that hog is a feasible option |
| 17:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | bluemarlin: I'd rather write a small cmdline tool that does call fork, call mlockall, then exec. |
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| 17:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange enough madvice() has no NOSWAP option, and the sticky bit on file permissions doesn't work anymore nowadays |
| 17:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly the latter is puzzling |
| 17:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel regression that I don't see the rationale for |
| 17:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN!! >> Memory locks are not inherited by a child created via fork(2) and are automatically removed (unlocked) during an execve(2)...<< http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/mlock.2.html |
| 17:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | bluemarlin: prolly the LD_PRELOAD is my best option indeed |
| 17:59.39 | bluemarlin | yea it seemed like another pid can't inherit it, i wasn't sure though |
| 18:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I failed to read the URL link carefully. It has it all already |
| 18:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) |
| 18:02.35 | bluemarlin | np, i was curious about it as well :) |
| 18:10.49 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: now that i think about it, would you write devuan package for that? i could use it from time to time... all you need is to compile that lib & add a shell wrapper that shortens the preload... |
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| 18:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty easy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25069720 :-) Wouldn't know how to pack a .deb, will share anything improved I may come up with though |
| 18:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I will do a shell wrapper for sure :-) |
| 18:14.28 | bluemarlin | then i suppose i could try that, been a long time since i created a proper signed package - i mostly create some dirty meta |
| 18:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | easypeasy approach: alias noswap='LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/liblockall.so ' |
| 18:15.35 | bluemarlin | nice :) |
| 18:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | might need some love to work in sudo context etc |
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| 18:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I owe you and https://stackoverflow.com/users/1475978/nominal-animal a beer :-) |
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| 20:01.21 | allan_wind | How do I evaluate how Devuan is going? |
| 20:05.39 | Sleaker | set some criteria and see if it meets them |
| 20:06.59 | allan_wind | How many ppl are working on devuan vs debian? Really, trying to get an idea if Devuan is going to be around in a few years |
| 20:07.42 | Sleaker | https://devuan.org/os/team/ |
| 20:09.01 | allan_wind | so 20ish ppl? |
| 20:09.25 | Sleaker | shrugs. |
| 20:11.08 | Sleaker | in retrospect the debian team has a similar number of leads/technical group heading it. |
| 20:11.42 | Sleaker | allan_wind: that's just listed as who helps run things. |
| 20:17.52 | allan_wind | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170706.121900.cb943fe3.en.html is an interesting data point |
| 20:22.31 | allan_wind | Funny, I don't run Gnome and come to hate systemd so this should be my tribe :-) |
| 20:23.45 | zyliwax | fwiw devuan is currently #46 in distrowatch's 6-month ranking |
| 20:24.06 | buZz | w00p |
| 20:24.57 | buZz | allan_wind: join us and make odds of it living for more years higher |
| 20:26.10 | allan_wind | can you migrate from debian stretch? |
| 20:27.05 | buZz | i think so yeah |
| 20:29.17 | allan_wind | so update sources.list to devuan.org then dist-upgrade? Sorry, not finding any obvious docs |
| 20:30.07 | allan_wind | #41 last 7 days :-) |
| 20:30.47 | zyliwax | migration guide >> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/devuan-talk-version |
| 20:31.06 | allan_wind | sweet, thx zyliwax |
| 20:31.19 | KatolaZ | allan_wind: dunno if it works seamlessly from stretch.... |
| 20:31.27 | zyliwax | jessie is stable, ascii is testing, ceres is unstable |
| 20:31.28 | KatolaZ | we have tested jessie->jessie extensively |
| 20:31.37 | zyliwax | allan_wind: my pleasure |
| 20:31.42 | KatolaZ | but not much stretch->ascii |
| 20:31.50 | KatolaZ | so there might be issues and bumps |
| 20:33.15 | allan_wind | how often does ceres break? Same as unstable or better? |
| 20:34.20 | zyliwax | my understanding is that ascii and ceres are still being decoupled from systemd |
| 20:35.00 | allan_wind | decoupled as in not systemd-free is fine, but decoupled as in not suitable to run day to day then no good |
| 20:35.35 | zyliwax | i couldn't answer whether it's good for day-to-day use since i use devuan jessie |
| 20:35.35 | allan_wind | does that mean, btw, that there was a 2nd fork of jeesie and whatever unstable was for the next releases? |
| 20:36.19 | zyliwax | but it still has lots of packages that (probably unnecessarily) depend on libsystemd0 |
| 20:36.38 | zyliwax | allan_wind: pretty sure there is only one release of devuan jessie (but with several repos, e.g. -backports, -contrib) |
| 20:37.04 | zyliwax | maybe repo isn't the right word to use here but i trust that you know what i mean or will ask to clarify :) |
| 20:37.06 | allan_wind | so jessie -> jessie is the way to go? |
| 20:37.39 | zyliwax | probably the safest route yes, it was very seamless on the machine i gave that particular treatment |
| 20:38.03 | zyliwax | otherwise installing fresh is an excellent way to go |
| 20:38.31 | zyliwax | coming from chroot-based installs, i like the debootstrap method of installation myself (which is what i used for my fresh devuan jessie install) |
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| 20:40.58 | allan_wind | I have 2 hosts on jessie scheduled for upgrade and reinstall respectively for stretch and 2 on stretch and kinda need them all on the same os/version to make it easiest for me to manage |
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| 20:44.07 | allan_wind | I could reinstall the two stretch hosts, I guess, but one is skylake so requires fairly new kernel and I don't think 3.16 would boot |
| 20:44.48 | allan_wind | (4.4 or better I think is required) |
| 20:44.48 | zyliwax | i'm pretty sure you can get a more recent kernel from backports? |
| 20:45.06 | allan_wind | yeah, but is there an installer with 4.4 or better kernel? |
| 20:46.07 | allan_wind | might even be 4.7. I was not able to install (debian) jessie on skylake |
| 20:47.28 | zyliwax | yeah i'm seeing 4.9 available in backports |
| 20:47.57 | zyliwax | i have not used the formal installer so i'm not sure how you'd go about integrating the new kernel into the install process |
| 20:50.23 | allan_wind | thx for helping |
| 20:50.57 | zyliwax | my pleasure |
| 20:51.05 | zyliwax | hopefully someone can be of more help lol |
| 20:51.22 | allan_wind | any idea when ascii might land? |
| 20:51.32 | allan_wind | might be a better jump off point for me re kernel version |
| 20:51.44 | allan_wind | (mainly ascii installer) |
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| 20:52.57 | allan_wind | sorry, I don't mean to be rude as I know devuan jessie just landed |
| 20:53.21 | fsmithred | I made a live iso with backports kernel you could try |
| 20:53.48 | fsmithred | http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/devuan_jessie_amd64_bpo_desktop-live-20170522_1240.iso |
| 20:54.03 | allan_wind | great, I will that a whirl |
| 20:54.10 | fsmithred | you probably don't want to install on the servers with that |
| 20:54.23 | fsmithred | but at least you'll know if it works |
| 20:54.41 | allan_wind | roger that |
| 20:54.52 | fsmithred | I also made a refracta-ascii no-X iso, but it's labeled "pre-alpha" |
| 20:55.09 | fsmithred | ascii is not ready yet |
| 20:55.55 | fsmithred | works fine if you don't try to install too much |
| 20:56.19 | allan_wind | any idea when? weeks, months, years |
| 20:56.19 | fsmithred | I'm guessing months |
| 20:56.57 | allan_wind | Just subscribed to dng and I will that iso a whirl |
| 20:57.04 | fsmithred | once a few key packages get fixed, there should be some official isos |
| 20:57.17 | allan_wind | how do you join the party? |
| 20:57.30 | fsmithred | find me here or at d1g and let me know how it works out |
| 20:58.04 | allan_wind | will do |
| 20:58.04 | fsmithred | oh yeah, d1g = dev1galaxy.org (forum) |
| 20:58.04 | fsmithred | which party? |
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| 20:58.15 | fsmithred | you want to adopt a package or two to maintain? |
| 20:58.31 | allan_wind | yeah, sure |
| 20:58.35 | allan_wind | (once I get this running of course) |
| 20:58.52 | fsmithred | yeah, that would help |
| 20:58.58 | fsmithred | see this thread: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 |
| 20:59.47 | fsmithred | explains the work flow. d1h is convenient, but you can use regular git commands if you want |
| 21:00.04 | fsmithred | and warning: things are a little disorganized still, but stuff does actually get done |
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| 21:04.09 | allan_wind | that link is awesome way to get started, does that mean I need to run experimental to be able to help} |
| 21:04.12 | allan_wind | ? |
| 21:04.20 | allan_wind | or do ppl run a vm for that? |
| 21:04.46 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:05.34 | fsmithred | new packages that are not in debian to begin with go into experimental first and migrate down through unstable and testing |
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| 21:05.57 | fsmithred | packages from debian that need systemd deps removed go into -proposed |
| 21:06.16 | fsmithred | ascii-proposed now, I guess. Was jessie-proposed |
| 21:06.31 | zyliwax | sorry i've asked this before, but i'm curious if removing pulseaudio deps are a priority for devuan |
| 21:06.43 | fsmithred | no, not a priority |
| 21:06.47 | fsmithred | just systemd deps |
| 21:06.50 | zyliwax | fair enough |
| 21:06.53 | fsmithred | however... |
| 21:07.16 | fsmithred | lots of people who use devuan are more than happy to get rid of pulseaudio and not use it |
| 21:08.00 | fsmithred | so apulse is now in the repo, and you can use that to get new firefox to work |
| 21:08.00 | zyliwax | heh i will be ditching firefox as soon as xul stops working with it :) |
| 21:08.25 | allan_wind | yeah, same boat, I don't think that I will survive without vimperator |
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| 21:09.02 | zyliwax | some other things i like drag in libpulse0 (mplayer, mpd [also libsystemd0], gimp why?) |
| 21:09.28 | zyliwax | allan_wind: i have palemoon+pentadactyl rocking on my gentoo box, it's working very nicely |
| 21:10.17 | zyliwax | speaking of which.... i'm thinking of testing out https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:stevenpusser&package=palemoon on my devuan box |
| 21:10.40 | allan_wind | zyliwax: yeah, probably the route I will go, have palemoon installed already although I prefer vimperator to pentadactyl having using both for a while |
| 21:10.53 | fsmithred | yes, stevepusser's palemoon works in devuan |
| 21:11.04 | zyliwax | fsmithred: bodacious! |
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| 21:11.31 | allan_wind | firefox 54 is that magic release that drops xul support, right? |
| 21:11.40 | fsmithred | not sure |
| 21:11.46 | csmall | Man, systemd is like a cancer. I didn't realize some of the software that seems to have ties to it. Like GNOME |
| 21:11.50 | zyliwax | yeah i will miss vimperator, i am not sure what they plan on doing (some talk about trying to become a webextension last i read their git) |
| 21:11.56 | zyliwax | 57 will kill xul |
| 21:12.05 | golinux | allan_wind: There is a list of pkgs needing loibsystemd0 decontamination here: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170710.211740.2ddd525a.en.html |
| 21:14.24 | allan_wind | what does decontamination mean? strip out calls to systemd stuff? |
| 21:15.33 | fsmithred | I think usually it means compiling using "--without-systemd" but I'm no expert on that. |
| 21:18.30 | golinux | Gratuitous libsystemd0 dependencies |
| 21:18.30 | golinux | Removing them is 'decontamination' |
| 21:19.08 | golinux | Of course there is possibly other systemd stuff also. |
| 21:19.45 | golinux | Those were the pkgs that amprolla flagged. |
| 21:20.11 | bluemarlin | damn that's quite long list |
| 21:20.50 | golinux | For ascii. The list also included backports, ceres and jessie (which probably isn't worth the efforts at this point) |
| 21:21.58 | golinux | Yes, it is long. About 150 of them. We need maintainers to adopt packages and transition them to each new release. |
| 21:22.18 | allan_wind | 150 maintainers is a package per person, no biggie :-) |
| 21:25.38 | golinux | Or 10 doing 15 each . . . ;) |
| 21:25.38 | fsmithred | we might even have 10 |
| 21:25.38 | allan_wind | aha... now that truth comes out :-) |
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| 22:46.52 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 22:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan d1h is https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 |
| 22:46.56 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:47.02 | fsmithred | TaboZ, yeah, I looked at that page. That's the one I said is old, so I don't know if it's still accurate. |
| 22:47.19 | fsmithred | and the fact that it's telling you to pull stuff from ubuntu ppa seems odd |
| 22:48.49 | gnarface | well brief googling suggests LXD is a product of Canonical, Inc. makes perfect sense to me that they'd want to encourage indiscriminate installation of packages your distro hasn't audited for backdoors |
| 22:48.52 | TaboZ | yep |
| 22:49.26 | TaboZ | so why do i find it at devuan site? |
| 22:49.27 | TaboZ | i trusted the docs |
| 22:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan d1h is also Documentation > Using d1h (a.k.a. "Devuan packaging made easier") |
| 22:49.33 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:50.03 | TaboZ | i'm looking in 2 d1h |
| 22:50.35 | gnarface | did you trust docs, or did you trust a forum post written by yet another 3rd party ? |
| 22:50.37 | TaboZ | git.devuan.org |
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| 22:50.46 | TaboZ | 4get it |
| 22:50.51 | gnarface | cause if references to ubuntu ppa's are in something official, you're right, someone needs to pull that shit down. |
| 22:51.12 | fsmithred | gnarface, yes, it's on gdo |
| 22:51.30 | TaboZ | ok, thats out of the way now :) |
| 22:53.16 | fsmithred | and it's in devuan-packages which is weird, because there is no devuan package. |
| 22:54.11 | TaboZ | ok, so its not my fault :) |
| 22:54.18 | TaboZ | ill check d1h |
| 22:54.30 | fsmithred | no, you didn't do anything wrong |
| 23:01.33 | TaboZ | well at least im finaly running devuan, no systemd anymore :) |
| 23:01.53 | TaboZ | mate desktop |
| 23:02.00 | TaboZ | all is wel |
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