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| 00:23.27 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 03:59.06 | alexlikerock | golinux |
| 04:04.20 | golinux | Hi |
| 04:04.27 | golinux | Site back up? |
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| 11:47.05 | in1t3r_ | guys what is the default password in live image of devuan? |
| 11:47.11 | in1t3r_ | its not root toor? |
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| 12:00.18 | djph | should be that |
| 12:00.31 | djph | least it was last tim I ran a "live" image .. |
| 12:12.41 | fsmithred | devuan:devuan and root:toor |
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| 12:27.42 | g0zzy | Is there any special way of building live versions of Devuan or do i just use the debian-live approach with the Devuan repos? |
| 12:36.21 | fsmithred | g0zzy, there are three ways you can do it |
| 12:36.34 | fsmithred | live-build, refractasnapshot, live-sdk |
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| 12:37.41 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551 |
| 12:37.55 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=612 |
| 12:39.52 | fsmithred | http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/readme.refractasnapshot.txt |
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| 12:49.38 | g0zzy | Interesting. Thanks. Matter of fact i've always thought that sadly live-build is less than the sum of its parts |
| 12:50.27 | fsmithred | there's a lot in live-build |
| 12:50.35 | fsmithred | it can do a lot of things |
| 12:50.58 | fsmithred | and the other methods rely on live-boot and live-config to work. |
| 12:51.19 | fsmithred | refractasnapshot is the easiest to use |
| 12:52.57 | g0zzy | I've used lb lots of times. Most of my c. 2 hour builds have failed. It's great when they work. Have you used it? |
| 12:53.26 | fsmithred | yeah, but long ago. In lenny and squeeze mostly |
| 12:53.43 | fsmithred | and I hate the waiting to find out you made one small error |
| 12:54.26 | fsmithred | live-sdk is the same way: you set everything up and it builds a system |
| 12:55.25 | fsmithred | refractasnapshot works the other way: you install a system and run refractasnapshot from within that running, installed system, and it makes a live iso copy of the system |
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| 12:59.14 | leafwiz_ | Hello, I'm unable to find chkconfig on my ceres system. Is there something I have forgot to install? |
| 12:59.14 | g0zzy | That sounds good |
| 12:59.27 | leafwiz_ | Isn't this part of the sysVinit? |
| 13:00.44 | g0zzy | On another matter, i read the other day that someone had upgraded to Devuan just by changing sources.list. I take it that's not recommended (from say Wheezy)? |
| 13:01.14 | fsmithred | from wheezy to devuan jessie is easy |
| 13:01.38 | fsmithred | from debian jessie to devuan jessie is almost as easy |
| 13:01.39 | g0zzy | OK, so i might try that and then use refracta! |
| 13:02.20 | fsmithred | ok, but keep in mind there's a 4GB limit on the iso file |
| 13:02.30 | fsmithred | don't use it to back up large amounts of data |
| 13:02.38 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: what are you "upgrading" from can actually matter |
| 13:02.55 | g0zzy | That'll be stock Wheezy |
| 13:03.04 | fsmithred | gnome may present some problems |
| 13:03.05 | g0zzy | xfce |
| 13:03.10 | fsmithred | easy |
| 13:03.18 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: wheezy to Devuan jessie is seamless |
| 13:03.27 | KatolaZ | just update sources.list |
| 13:03.30 | KatolaZ | remove any debian repo |
| 13:03.34 | KatolaZ | apt-get update |
| 13:03.41 | KatolaZ | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:03.42 | g0zzy | Great, i'll give it a go |
| 13:04.58 | g0zzy | What about upgrade from Squeeze (yes i have one!) |
| 13:05.32 | KatolaZ | upgrade to wheezy first |
| 13:05.35 | KatolaZ | then the same path |
| 13:06.02 | KatolaZ | you shouldn't "jump" a release... |
| 13:06.20 | KatolaZ | (well, jump "over" a release, maybe :P) |
| 13:07.58 | g0zzy | "deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main" what about contrib and non-free? |
| 13:08.09 | fsmithred | add if you want |
| 13:08.15 | g0zzy | OK thanks |
| 13:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan build live is for building live versions of Devuan, there are three ways you can do it: live-build, refractasnapshot, live-sdk. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551 https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=612 http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/readme.refractasnapshot.txt |
| 13:09.03 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:09.34 | fsmithred | there's also jessie-updates and jessie-security |
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| 13:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: >>threshold of 10s before signaling a down<< did you mean 10 minutes ? :-) |
| 13:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: I think the poll interval of seemingly 1 minute is too short. 5 minutes worked for me on hetzner who offer the exactly same service |
| 13:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | three tries would be great, yep |
| 13:24.13 | fsmithred | leafwiz_, I see a chkconfig package in jessie, but none in ascii, ceres, stretch, buster or sid |
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| 13:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: FWIW http://paste.ubuntu.com/25118823 |
| 13:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually http://paste.ubuntu.com/25118830 |
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| 13:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a pity apt-file doesn't list which distro/component the package is from |
| 13:33.54 | fsmithred | I get the same as the first list |
| 13:34.08 | fsmithred | apt-cache policy gives you that |
| 13:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the second is just augmented by cat source.local.list |
| 13:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache policy works on a different dataset in my specific scenario :-) |
| 13:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | lagrange is a debian machine |
| 13:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I added `cat sources.local.list` in second pastebin |
| 13:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's do a nice test, eh? apt-file search sysvinit? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25118904 |
| 13:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | not going to paste full output for this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25118933 |
| 13:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you want to duplicate this, you need to run `apt-file update` once, to fill the cache |
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| 13:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | results should be same on all machines that have apt-file, then |
| 13:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not for the generic `apt-file search` without -c and -s parameter, obviously :-) |
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| 13:55.21 | mcr | hi. Are there devuan mailing lists I ought to be on... specifically, I've been working on getting NetworkManager to compile/work without systemd. |
| 13:55.41 | mcr | (cause wicd won't let me join IPv6 only networks) |
| 13:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I think you're duplicating work |
| 13:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise, prolly dng@lists.dyne.org |
| 13:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng |
| 13:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe search the archives there for NetworkManager |
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| 14:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/search/20380101.000000.00000000@ml:dng,networkmanager.en.html don't ask me how to use this interface, I can't see a method to get more than those 2 dozen hits |
| 14:07.45 | KatolaZ | mcr: there is already a networkmanager without systemd.... |
| 14:07.49 | KatolaZ | in Devuan jessie |
| 14:08.06 | fsmithred | apt-get install network-manager |
| 14:08.27 | fsmithred | oh, do yourself a favor and remove wicd first |
| 14:09.08 | specing | wicd is cool, it has an ncurses interface |
| 14:09.40 | fsmithred | yeah, I like it, but it doesn't do some things that some people need. |
| 14:09.45 | fsmithred | gotta go. bbl. |
| 14:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help when it fails to work |
| 14:09.51 | specing | which? |
| 14:10.09 | specing | I don't use either though |
| 14:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-07-18 Tue 15:55:41] <mcr> (cause wicd won't let me join IPv6 only networks) |
| 14:10.27 | specing | I use badvpn-ncd with scripts that do auto-failover between wifi and wired |
| 14:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I outsource such stuff to my router ;-) |
| 14:11.14 | mcr | fsmithred, good to know. there wasn't last time I looked. |
| 14:11.18 | mcr | let me try. |
| 14:11.21 | specing | so it does not use an ipv6-capable dhcp client? |
| 14:12.05 | mcr | it's not about using a ipv6 capable dhcp client. It's that it needs ipv4 to succeed, or it gives up the network (wicd) |
| 14:12.06 | specing | DocScrutinizer05: I fail to see how the router can change routing on clients |
| 14:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 14:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, my clients have no local WLAN |
| 14:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | WLAN attached to my router |
| 14:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I see what you mean |
| 14:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | just kidding |
| 14:13.10 | specing | ? you have wifi on the router, but no clients with wifi? |
| 14:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind |
| 14:13.46 | specing | there is no escaping now |
| 14:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | was just too fond of his new failover from cable to DSL |
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| 14:14.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course that doesn't apply to any failover from cable to wlan or vice versa |
| 14:14.56 | Mike_Hamza | dhcpcd as a last resort |
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| 14:18.24 | mcr | so far, so good. (minus, having run out of battery, thinking I was plugged in, and winding up rebooting) |
| 14:19.05 | mcr | looks like NM thinks my eth0 and wlan0 are "device not managed"... how do I change that? tweak /etc/network/interfaces with what? |
| 14:19.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | welcome to the nightmare called NM |
| 14:19.52 | Leander | you have to comment them in the interfaces file, I think |
| 14:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | NM, in my book, tries to be (too) smart but really isn't |
| 14:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | then OTOH I'm not even sure I'm using NM anymore, at least I can't tell from http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/18/plasma-desktopZG8317.png what it actually is |
| 14:23.46 | specing | I gave up on NM/wicd long ago |
| 14:24.00 | specing | about the time when I wanted wifi/wired instant failover |
| 14:24.07 | specing | none could do it |
| 14:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that NM_or_whatever is so smart it automatically 'fails over' to any new NIC you plug in or enable, and fails to failover to other networks when that goes down or has no connection |
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| 14:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | particular fun when you want a second LAN e.g. via cdc_ether |
| 14:26.47 | specing | its for the masses |
| 14:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, ond _only_ for the masses. Like windows and systemd |
| 14:27.25 | specing | y |
| 14:29.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | 'works' as long as you don't do anything unusual. As soon as you want the remaining unhandled 5%, it makes you want to fetch the sledgehammer |
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| 14:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | IPv6_only networks clearly are a member of those 5% ;-) |
| 14:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yet mcr calims NM can handle it while wicd doesn't? |
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| 14:58.59 | muep | IME networkmanager nowadays handles also quite unusual stuff OK |
| 15:03.51 | muep | like, of course e.g. vlans, vpns or ethernet bridges, custom routes and suchlike are not necessarily network guru stuff but I'd not expect support for them in something that's solely "for the masses" |
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| 15:42.19 | zdzichu | oh, nokia n900 |
| 15:42.44 | zdzichu | good old stuff |
| 16:02.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | !die |
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| 16:54.12 | g0zzy | fsmithred: Have been reading the Refracta docs. I'm a little confused. Can refracta2usb be used with _any_ system or is it just meant to reproduce an existing Refracta? |
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| 17:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui refracta does a snapshot of the system you're on and packages that as a live medium. Prolly that system you're on should at least be debian |
| 17:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | better devuan |
| 17:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-07-18 Tue 14:55:25] <fsmithred> refractasnapshot works the other way: you install a system and run refractasnapshot from within that running, installed system, and it makes a live iso copy of the system |
| 17:02.08 | fsmithred | g0zzy, it'll work with any debian-based system |
| 17:03.18 | fsmithred | refracta2usb does not reproduce anything - it puts a live-iso on usb without using the isohybrid feature, and that gives you some advantages (persistence, fat32 first partition to share files between different systems.) |
| 17:03.54 | fsmithred | and multi-boot usb |
| 17:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH that's great |
| 17:06.10 | fsmithred | it's like a swiss army knive |
| 17:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | now seems like my N0ÃÃ-flasher.iso is a snap with that and two USB sticks |
| 17:07.05 | fsmithred | you can have a partition or a loopback file for a persistent volume |
| 17:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 |
| 17:07.20 | fsmithred | what does the n900 use for a boot device? sd or usb? |
| 17:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's to flash N900 from PC, not to run flasher on N900 |
| 17:08.25 | fsmithred | the read-only live system remains a read-only live system |
| 17:08.48 | fsmithred | you can either open the iso and put the contents on the usb |
| 17:09.10 | fsmithred | or put the iso file itself and use the findiso option of live-boot to boot the iso |
| 17:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't I just put the needed files into my live system and the do a refractasnapshot from it? |
| 17:10.36 | fsmithred | not sure. I guess I don't understand exactly what you want to do |
| 17:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or are the available images with refracta not live-cabale? |
| 17:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | capable |
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| 17:11.24 | fsmithred | any debian-based live iso should work |
| 17:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want to create a live iso for x86 that has one additional binary, possibly one additional libusb32, and a fiasko_rx51.img data file |
| 17:12.31 | fsmithred | the script opens the iso, copies the /live directory to the usb, converts the /isolinux dir to /syslinux and puts boot code in the mbr |
| 17:12.38 | fsmithred | oh |
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| 17:12.58 | fsmithred | then run refractasnapshot from the running installed system |
| 17:13.36 | fsmithred | this is going to go on the n900? |
| 17:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the point: "installed" - can't get done when the running system is a live devuan? |
| 17:14.05 | fsmithred | you want to put devuan live on your n900? With the whole bloated desktop? |
| 17:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 17:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | on PC it's supposed to run `sudo /usr/local/sbin/flasher -f fiasko_rx51.img` and that sends the system image in fiasko_rx51.img via USB to a maemo device |
| 17:15.57 | telst4r | lols, lxde on n900. maybe with the display cables and so, but please no. |
| 17:16.44 | fsmithred | well, default is xfce, which would be worse |
| 17:16.44 | telst4r | n900's not a desktop :D |
| 17:16.44 | fsmithred | hell, I think Doc uses kde - let's go for that |
| 17:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want t live iso for that since many user don't even have linux, or at least no libusb32 which is needed by flasher |
| 17:16.56 | fsmithred | oh |
| 17:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher is a nokia closed blob |
| 17:18.09 | fsmithred | if you make a live-usb, then you can put the flasher script(?) and the flashee (the image) in the first partition |
| 17:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | compiled against libusb32 |
| 17:18.09 | fsmithred | and it will be accessible from the live system |
| 17:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool, exactly what I need |
| 17:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, ideally a script |
| 17:18.47 | fsmithred | will flasher run by itself, or does it need to install in a special way? |
| 17:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | just runs |
| 17:18.47 | fsmithred | cool |
| 17:19.00 | fsmithred | make a live usb with refracta2usb |
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| 18:33.10 | _stephen_ | Just got another message about my DNG membership being disabled due to too many bounces. |
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| 18:41.22 | g0zzy | Ach. Got this 'No space left on the device' nightmare when i'm trying to cat an iso-hybrid. Nothing i seem to do will let me write it without that error message. Suggestions? |
| 18:41.38 | g0zzy | means to a usb stick |
| 18:44.23 | fbt | Is it actually big enough for the iso? |
| 18:44.31 | fbt | Maybe it's a chinese fake stick that actually has 100M, just looped? |
| 18:45.00 | fbt | If you write to one directly, you will only write the 100M sometimes. Depends on how the fake is done. |
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| 18:45.17 | mikeyloveslignux | g0zzy: Re-partition it and reboot |
| 18:45.31 | mikeyloveslignux | Sometimes legit USB sticks will do that |
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| 18:50.42 | g0zzy | It's not fake. It had Tails on it just before. All partitions gone. The disk is 8Gb but this system thinks it's 10.5Mb ! |
| 18:53.17 | fbt | Interesting. |
| 18:53.23 | fbt | HAve you tried it in some other system? |
| 18:53.31 | g0zzy | blkid is well out of sync. It still thinks there are two partitions |
| 18:53.43 | g0zzy | But parted doesn't |
| 18:53.52 | fbt | Does partprobe help? |
| 18:53.58 | g0zzy | Shall try |
| 18:54.00 | zdzichu | blkid --cache-file /dev/null |
| 18:54.01 | fbt | It's a part of parted, I think. |
| 18:54.23 | fbt | /usr/bin/partprobe is owned by parted yep |
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| 18:57.26 | g0zzy | zdzichu: actually it's -c on my system. But no, netiher that nor partprobe solve the discrepancy |
| 18:58.15 | g0zzy | I solved this in the past (i think) with a reboot. But such a Windowsesque solution sticks hard in my craw ;) |
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| 18:59.26 | fbt | A reboot, even if it works, is not a satisfying solution, yeah. |
| 18:59.40 | fbt | I think lask time partprobe didn't help, I also had to reboot in the end. |
| 19:00.09 | g0zzy | Very sucky |
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| 19:23.07 | fsmithred | try zeroing the first few MB of the stick |
| 19:23.16 | fsmithred | oh, he's gone. |
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| 19:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're generally not using 'cat' to write images to a USB stick |
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| 19:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | use dd of=/dev/whatever (NOT whatever0,1,2...), then sync;sync; and unplug the the USB stick |
| 19:44.45 | fbt | You can use cat. dd gives you more controll over the process. |
| 19:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better: dd oflag=sync,direct |
| 19:45.01 | fbt | control*. But you can still use cat succesfully |
| 19:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you run into padding or whatever |
| 19:45.36 | fbt | All you need is write the contents of one file to another. |
| 19:45.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | or weird issues with locale |
| 19:46.38 | fbt | Well yeah, fundamentally dd does it differently, and is a better tool for the task. |
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| 19:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually cat uses shell redirection, which introduces yet anotjer layer |
