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| 04:13.36 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 04:13.52 | gmcastil | i dont know what you mean |
| 04:14.01 | fsmithred | hang on |
| 04:15.17 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 04:15.18 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main |
| 04:15.18 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main |
| 04:15.29 | fsmithred | add contrib to the ends of those lines |
| 04:15.36 | gmcastil | ah, ok |
| 04:16.21 | gmcastil | guessing i'll see a bunch of updates then? |
| 04:16.29 | fsmithred | no |
| 04:16.48 | fsmithred | if you search for packages, you will see some that were not there before |
| 04:16.56 | fsmithred | like virtualbox |
| 04:17.09 | fsmithred | and flashplugin-nonfree, oddly enough. |
| 04:17.33 | fsmithred | if you need wireless firmware, add non-free to those lines, too |
| 04:17.57 | gmcastil | here is my sources.list https://bpaste.net/show/5886ef6e38d1 |
| 04:19.57 | gmcastil | oh cool, vbox is now available for installation |
| 04:20.17 | fsmithred | that looks good |
| 04:20.23 | gmcastil | right on - thanks |
| 04:20.24 | fsmithred | do you use wireless? |
| 04:20.40 | gmcastil | nto on this machine, but i have a laptopt that requires some firmware shenanigans |
| 04:21.14 | fsmithred | in that case, it might be a good idea to add non-free, in case there are security updates on the firmware |
| 04:21.29 | fsmithred | it's already installed in the live isos, but disabled in sources.list |
| 04:21.56 | gmcastil | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie non-free ? |
| 04:22.01 | fsmithred | that sentence didn't really make sense |
| 04:22.11 | fsmithred | yeah, just add non-free after contrib |
| 04:23.25 | gmcastil | so just something like .../merged jessie main contrib non-free ? |
| 04:23.34 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 04:24.24 | fsmithred | but you lose you FSF seal of approval |
| 04:24.42 | fsmithred | j/k |
| 04:25.04 | gmcastil | indeed |
| 04:25.06 | gmcastil | but acceptable |
| 04:25.19 | gmcastil | thanks for the help - hopefully virtualbox installs fine, then i'll add non-free to it |
| 04:25.27 | fsmithred | having stuff work is good |
| 04:26.04 | fsmithred | I think I just installed virtualbox, virtualbox-dkms and virtualbox-qt |
| 04:26.21 | fsmithred | and that was enough to get what was needed |
| 04:27.01 | gmcastil | i installed virtualbox* |
| 04:27.07 | gmcastil | disk space is cheap |
| 04:28.11 | gmcastil | does it have to be run as root? |
| 04:28.28 | fsmithred | no |
| 04:28.35 | fsmithred | add user to the virtualbox group |
| 04:28.47 | fsmithred | adduser gmcatil virtualbox |
| 04:28.54 | fsmithred | but spell it right |
| 04:32.42 | gmcastil | hm....no virtualbox group |
| 04:33.05 | gmcastil | oh....vboxuser eh? |
| 04:33.51 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 04:33.57 | fsmithred | sorry |
| 04:34.44 | matlock | if you're trying to install virtualbox I highly recommending adding their jessie repo and installing from there |
| 04:34.58 | gmcastil | matlock: how do you mean? |
| 04:35.33 | matlock | even the virtualbox in jessie-backports is old, so you can add their own repo, one sec |
| 04:35.43 | gmcastil | is it compatible with devuan? |
| 04:35.49 | matlock | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 04:36.05 | matlock | yes, just follow the instructions for debian jessie |
| 04:36.30 | gmcastil | ah, you're recommending to mingle the debian / devuan package set |
| 04:36.35 | gmcastil | i'm not really sure I want to do that |
| 04:36.41 | matlock | no, I'm not |
| 04:36.52 | fsmithred | no |
| 04:36.59 | fsmithred | just adding virtualbox.org |
| 04:37.05 | fsmithred | it works |
| 04:37.06 | matlock | it will pull the virtualbox packages from virtualbox.org, it will still pull the devuan dependencies from devuan |
| 04:37.20 | fsmithred | you get a slightly different version - usb is supposed to work, and it sometimes does |
| 04:37.26 | fsmithred | and you get nagged about upgrading |
| 04:38.15 | gmcastil | so, theres really nothing wrong with using the version in contrib then? |
| 04:38.18 | fsmithred | which probably isn't so bad if you only have a couple VMs |
| 04:38.29 | matlock | it's out of date, with virtualbox you want to be running the latest version, there are virtual machine escape exploits |
| 04:38.44 | fsmithred | I'm using both on different machines, and I don't see any difference in how they work |
| 04:38.46 | gmcastil | well i've already installed it the way fsmithred suggested |
| 04:39.03 | matlock | that's fine, next time you might want to try the other way |
| 04:39.12 | matlock | you can't see security patches having been applied |
| 04:42.04 | matlock | and by the way, the devuan repos are the debian repos with some changes to a few packages slimstreamed in to keep systemd from getting installed by apt |
| 04:42.59 | fsmithred | devuan has a big filter that works like a sewage treatment plant |
| 04:43.19 | matlock | at the very least you could install a more recent virtualbox from jessie-backports |
| 04:43.50 | fsmithred | can't recall if I tried that in ascii, but maybe that will work. |
| 04:45.08 | fsmithred | bed time here. See you all later. |
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| 15:49.40 | parazyd | https://t.co/SkeOIcrhwV |
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| 15:53.38 | MinceR | lol |
| 15:54.16 | MinceR | even in the future, rms is useless |
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| 16:05.52 | golinux | parazyd: Where do you find this stuff . . . |
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| 16:06.32 | parazyd | :D |
| 16:10.01 | Kralizec | hi! has anybody tried a crossgrade? I'm currently using debian sid -at home-, and would like to try devuan (I assume ceres)... but I'm too lazy to reinstall from scratch :D |
| 16:10.55 | fsmithred | that website does not work for me |
| 16:11.12 | fsmithred | with js blocked, all I see is a flashing blue bird |
| 16:11.20 | fsmithred | and with js allowed, I get a blank page |
| 16:12.07 | parazyd | fsmithred: https://mobile.twitter.com/0xdade/status/888450920337387520/photo/1 |
| 16:12.27 | fsmithred | yes, that's the page I'm talking about |
| 16:12.35 | parazyd | oh that one is also blank for you? |
| 16:12.46 | parazyd | works without js here |
| 16:12.49 | fsmithred | no, I reloaded and can see the bird again |
| 16:13.08 | fsmithred | first time I saw a post for a couple of seconds and then the bird |
| 16:13.20 | parazyd | well, then |
| 16:13.22 | parazyd | this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFRpPH4U0AA70wt.jpg:small |
| 16:13.23 | MinceR | what if you disable CSS and javascript? :> |
| 16:13.41 | MinceR | more readable: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFRpPH4U0AA70wt.jpg:orig |
| 16:15.08 | fsmithred | Thanks. That works. |
| 16:15.16 | fsmithred | I might not be here to see that. |
| 16:20.00 | ahura | So what do we think of OpenRC? |
| 16:20.47 | MinceR | seems fine to me |
| 16:20.55 | pydsigner | I like it |
| 16:31.26 | Leander | I noticed that when following t.co links, noscript doesn't reload the page after temporarily allowing twitter.com (and whatever else they use for CDN) |
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| 17:26.36 | snarfmason | Greetings. About time I joined the fun here. |
| 17:27.20 | snarfmason | I'm trying to install cinnamon on one of my Devuan Jessie machines. |
| 17:27.39 | snarfmason | Installing complains that |
| 17:28.26 | snarfmason | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.26 | snarfmason | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:28.27 | snarfmason | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.27 | snarfmason | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:28.27 | snarfmason | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.32 | snarfmason | whoa |
| 17:28.36 | snarfmason | bad paste, sorry. |
| 17:28.41 | golinux | Get it from here http://hezeh.org/the-hezeh-repository/ |
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| 17:29.46 | snarfmason | Why does it want libpam-systemd ? |
| 17:30.06 | snarfmason | Oh, I was just doing aptitude install cinnamon it seems to already be in the jessie repo |
| 17:30.12 | golinux | Cinnamon for Devuan is at http://hezeh.org/the-hezeh-repository/ |
| 17:30.17 | snarfmason | cool, thanks |
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| 19:42.04 | aitor | hi all |
| 19:42.14 | aitor | Centurion_Dan, are you there? |
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| 19:43.37 | aitor | there is a bug in main-menu_1.46+devuan0.4_i386.udeb |
| 19:44.42 | aitor | the installer of ascii doesn't work due to this package: the screen of localechooser blinks |
| 19:45.49 | aitor | replacing it by debian's version (main-menu_1.51_i386.udeb), the installer works |
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| 19:46.18 | aitor | 1.46? |
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| 19:53.48 | fsmithred | g0zzy! |
| 19:54.40 | aitor | Frodo! |
| 19:54.46 | aitor | *fsmithred |
| 19:54.58 | fsmithred | Hi aitor |
| 19:55.02 | fsmithred | how you doing? |
| 19:55.08 | aitor | hi |
| 19:55.25 | aitor | i'm building d-i for ascii |
| 19:55.34 | aitor | for ascii live images |
| 19:56.03 | fsmithred | oh! |
| 19:56.18 | fsmithred | ozi worked out how to add d-i to live-sdk |
| 19:56.51 | fsmithred | I made an iso and it worked. |
| 19:57.16 | fsmithred | at the moment, I can't remember if it was ascii or jessie. |
| 19:57.25 | fsmithred | I'm away from home now and can't check. |
| 19:59.41 | fsmithred | aitor, how are you making the live images? |
| 20:00.47 | aitor | a sloppy puzzle, lol |
| 20:01.17 | fsmithred | I can believe that. |
| 20:01.38 | aitor | the hairest hairball |
| 20:02.18 | fsmithred | I was surprised to find out if you install with d-i and don't choose a mirror, it installs the live system |
| 20:02.42 | aitor | i'm also trying to build d-i with grsec, but i have to get the right config file |
| 20:03.23 | fsmithred | If you want, I can send you what Ozi did, but not until late next week when I get home |
| 20:03.35 | aitor | problems with raid and logic volume manager modules |
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| 20:03.46 | aitor | ok |
| 20:04.01 | fsmithred | oh, someone posted on d1g about lvm problems on upgrade to ascii |
| 20:05.26 | fsmithred | http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1156 |
| 20:06.40 | aitor | tomorrow i'll us debian's config file, and i'll add grsec and DaX parameters one by one using menuconfig |
| 20:06.40 | aitor | PaX* |
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| 20:08.24 | fsmithred | Dax would be ok, but that's off-topic |
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| 20:08.52 | aitor | fsmithred: need to go, see you later :) |
| 20:08.57 | fsmithred | bye |
| 20:09.08 | aitor | bye |
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| 20:35.33 | fsmithred | g0zzy, are you awake? You keep asking questions that I can answer, but I'm never here for it. I'll be back in five minutes if you think of any. |
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| 21:16.42 | golinux | msiism: Haven't seen you in days! |
| 21:34.20 | msiism | golinux: hi there |
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| 21:57.33 | rhy | Who do I complain to about gtk-recordmydesktop not being multithreaded? |
| 21:57.36 | rhy | lol |
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| 22:20.42 | JotaMG | Hi! |
| 22:20.44 | JotaMG | why there is no gvfs package in |
| 22:20.45 | JotaMG | http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/g/gvfs/ |
| 22:20.47 | JotaMG | ?? |
| 22:22.12 | g0zzy | fsmithred: Yes, i am but not for much longer ;) |
| 22:22.44 | msiism | JotaMG: did youtry apt-cache search? |
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| 22:23.54 | msiism | JotaMG: ok, i see what you mean now |
| 22:24.29 | JotaMG | i think I need to install gvfs manually... I have another version installed that seems to not be woking |
| 22:25.07 | fsmithred | hey g0zzy . I'm heading out soon, too. |
| 22:25.55 | JotaMG | and i want to try install devuan gvfs over the one I have now |
| 22:25.57 | JotaMG | ii gvfs:i386 1.30.4-1.0nosystemd i386 |
| 22:25.58 | g0zzy | I think next thing for me is to try Mate. I think i need to speak to AntoFox about that |
| 22:25.58 | JotaMG | from AntiX |
| 22:26.20 | fsmithred | to add wicd to panel, go into settings, session and startup, application autostart |
| 22:26.26 | g0zzy | Mate's in main (Refracta) but probably shoudn't be |
| 22:26.37 | msiism | JotaMG: are you on testing or stable? |
| 22:26.47 | JotaMG | ascii |
| 22:27.03 | fsmithred | you know that Refracta doesn't have any repositories, right? It uses devuan. |
| 22:27.52 | g0zzy | Well yes. So Mate shouldn't probably be in Devuan (since it hasn't be shorn of systemd) |
| 22:28.05 | fsmithred | greenjeans made a mate build |
| 22:28.08 | msiism | JotaMG: well, you could build it from the souce package |
| 22:28.12 | fsmithred | VuuDo |
| 22:28.23 | g0zzy | afaik AntoFox's has been shorn of systemd |
| 22:29.42 | fsmithred | yeah, I see in jessie it wants libsystemd0 for gvfs and mate-session-manager |
| 22:29.50 | fsmithred | but not systemd itself |
| 22:30.07 | g0zzy | Yes - but even so. That's not too good is it? |
| 22:30.17 | fsmithred | shouldn't really matter |
| 22:30.35 | fsmithred | kinda like having libpulse0 but not having pulseaudio |
| 22:30.42 | JotaMG | msiism: i'm afraid i don't have the necessary knowledge... and also my computar is too limited for compile |
| 22:30.53 | g0zzy | Well i'll speak to AntoFox. Surely his is 'better'? |
| 22:30.58 | fsmithred | and btw, that situation is more pervasive in ascii - xorg needs libsystemd0 |
| 22:31.11 | fsmithred | yes, I believe his is better. Certainly newer. |
| 22:31.14 | g0zzy | ascii? |
| 22:31.28 | fsmithred | yeah, that's what comes after jessie |
| 22:31.39 | g0zzy | Ah right ;) |
| 22:32.13 | g0zzy | was thinking that even vanilla text (editors?) might now need systemd ;) |
| 22:32.13 | msiism | JotaMG: i suppose the gvfs binary package in ascii just isn't ready yet (don't know, i'm not a dev). but building from a source package is easy and should be possible on modest hardware |
| 22:34.06 | g0zzy | would feel a lot better with no package containing the substring 'systemd' |
| 22:34.37 | g0zzy | Nite-e-nite folks |
| 22:34.42 | fsmithred | bye |
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| 22:44.17 | JotaMG | well I will wait until there is a devuan ascii package I can install, no problem |
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| 23:07.22 | JotaMG | it turns out that maybe my problem is that xfce4 is not started from d-bus... and gvfs deamons not start also |
| 23:07.31 | JotaMG | just a theory |
| 23:07.47 | JotaMG | anyone can help ? |
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