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| 00:23.36 | vvande | CP/M |
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| 00:59.40 | drawkula | \o/ |
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| 01:00.25 | Schallaven | o/ |
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| 01:40.59 | Xenguy | \o |
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| 01:48.09 | vvande | slow news day on #devuan ? |
| 01:48.47 | jonadab | No news is good news, with Gary Gnus? |
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| 06:50.56 | TheOuterLinux | Is Devuan really systemd-free or is that just the minimum version? |
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| 07:14.36 | gnarface | we should start some sort of statistics tracking |
| 07:15.12 | gnarface | on people who leave before getting an answer to the question |
| 07:15.33 | gnarface | so we can make a rough average of how many minutes too early they leave |
| 07:33.27 | vvande | Is there an IRC entry point on the web site? |
| 07:33.56 | vvande | We have that for OpenNIC and people ask, wait 1.5 minutes, then log off. |
| 07:34.33 | vvande | Perhaps some of them are not very multi tasking and are the kind that close windows or browsers. |
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| 07:34.42 | bill-auger | if you want to catch those people you need to have a clear message in the MOTD |
| 07:35.09 | vvande | We have a big red note on the web site explaining the situation. Easy to see, and easy to understand. |
| 07:35.10 | gnarface | nobody reads what's there now |
| 07:35.13 | bill-auger | "dont ask to as just ask" - "stay and wait for an answer" - etc |
| 07:35.29 | vvande | I agee, the MOTD is mostly useless. |
| 07:35.43 | vvande | it also doesn't show well in some clients. |
| 07:35.44 | bill-auger | well if they wont read the rules then they dont deserve a response |
| 07:35.50 | gnarface | what we need is a greeter bot with the patience and determination of emacs M-x-doctor |
| 07:35.56 | bill-auger | so dont worry about it then |
| 07:36.18 | vvande | The big red note on the OpenNIC site, didn't seem to make any difference. |
| 07:36.30 | vvande | people are just impatient, and/or ignorant |
| 07:37.09 | gnarface | bill-auger: you'll never fix the world by washing your hands of everyone who wasn't born with the patience to read. i think we have a duty to society to at least try to be a positive influence. |
| 07:37.27 | bill-auger | there is no other option |
| 07:37.41 | gnarface | sure there is, i can think of plenty |
| 07:37.47 | bill-auger | if they wont read about how the IRC works then there is no possible way to get that message across |
| 07:37.53 | gnarface | i disagree |
| 07:38.34 | gnarface | i admit there's no fool-proof, 100% certain way of victory over laziness and stupidity, dont' get me wrong. but what you're suggesting, just ignoring them, IS the only 100%, fool-proof, certain method of guaranteeing failure |
| 07:38.35 | bill-auger | going door-to-door like a mormon educating netiquette? |
| 07:38.57 | gnarface | you know honestly... just about did that the other day |
| 07:39.10 | bill-auger | i did not say ignore them - they dont stay around long enoug to be ignored |
| 07:39.25 | bill-auger | i said dont worry about it |
| 07:39.30 | gnarface | yes, so like i said, right before you said "there's no other option" i suggested a greeter bot |
| 07:39.44 | gnarface | so your very statement that there's no other option is already provably false |
| 07:39.45 | bill-auger | how is a bot any different than the MOTD |
| 07:39.58 | gnarface | the bot can flag them by name directly |
| 07:40.03 | gnarface | it causes a UI bell |
| 07:40.04 | KatolaZ | bill-auger: people feel better if something shouts at them |
| 07:40.09 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 07:40.12 | bill-auger | yes i suppose there is that advantage |
| 07:40.21 | bill-auger | make is so #1 |
| 07:40.32 | gnarface | never EVER say there's NO solution just because YOU decided you didn't LIKE any of them |
| 07:40.39 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 07:40.49 | gnarface | instead, maybe try to improve upon/ propose a better solution |
| 07:40.53 | bill-auger | dood |
| 07:40.58 | KatolaZ | BTW, it is true that many people these days are not used to IRC |
| 07:41.03 | bill-auger | take it back a bit |
| 07:41.44 | gnarface | oh, did i come off mean while trying to be motivational again? |
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| 07:41.51 | gnarface | sorry, back to my nintendo i guess |
| 07:41.58 | bill-auger | what i meant was that EVERY solution you could possible suggest involves the new users reading something |
| 07:42.05 | bill-auger | - but if they wont read stuff and only wont the TLDR then there is no other alternative |
| 07:42.22 | bill-auger | you could buy advertising on TV maybe |
| 07:42.27 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 07:42.31 | bill-auger | maybe soe youtube videos |
| 07:42.44 | KatolaZ | there are many youtube videos on devuan, BTW |
| 07:42.45 | gnarface | those are good ideas too actually |
| 07:42.51 | bill-auger | "how to not be such a noob 101" |
| 07:42.58 | KatolaZ | mainly independent reviews, though |
| 07:43.06 | gnarface | but a bot that just flags their name in bright red text that carefully reminds them to be patient, really is cheaper and actually might work as well |
| 07:43.16 | KatolaZ | yes gnarface |
| 07:43.30 | gnarface | i think it's a fine line for such a bot between being helpful and annoying though |
| 07:44.00 | gnarface | some careful thought would have to be put into the conditions under which it decides to activate |
| 07:44.07 | gnarface | ..and exactly what it says when it does |
| 07:44.29 | gnarface | and like i said |
| 07:44.37 | gnarface | it's ok if we can't save everyone |
| 07:44.46 | gnarface | but it's not okay if we don't try to save any of them |
| 07:45.11 | bill-auger | you sound like this is a new idea - this problem has been around as long as the internet has |
| 07:45.49 | bill-auger | many websites will say something like this in the place where they post the irc channel name |
| 07:45.51 | KatolaZ | gnarface: it could just maintain a list of users it has seen |
| 07:46.02 | KatolaZ | if a new users logs in, it shouts |
| 07:46.10 | KatolaZ | otherwise, it just shuts up |
| 07:46.12 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 07:46.19 | gnarface | that's actually a pretty good idea |
| 07:46.21 | KatolaZ | but you will always have people complaining |
| 07:46.34 | KatolaZ | since some users log with several nicks |
| 07:46.39 | gnarface | well it's a bit creepy, i would complain if i didn't know this whole network was already logged and monitored |
| 07:46.41 | KatolaZ | well, they will be annoyed just once in a while |
| 07:47.03 | KatolaZ | I think it's just this channel that is logged |
| 07:47.19 | KatolaZ | and I think it's logged because some users preferred to have a web log |
| 07:47.32 | bill-auger | most help used to have such a message in the MOTD or from a bot bots - for some reason you dont see those messages much anymore |
| 07:47.42 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 07:48.44 | bill-auger | i think it was assumed that after many years it was not needed anymore - but lately i think things such as slack and matrix are introducing a new batch of ppl who never heard of IRC nor netiquette |
| 07:51.45 | bill-auger | or maybe they just got too annoying for the regulars |
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| 07:54.18 | detha | the regulars should be old and wise enough to know how to ignore an annoying bot |
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| 08:08.40 | vvande | A bot sounds like a good idea to me. |
| 08:09.01 | vvande | There is no reason why it should be anything but pleasant though. No need to shout. |
| 08:09.15 | vvande | As for the MOTD, like I said it's not an obvious place. |
| 08:09.39 | vvande | In this particular client, for example, it'st right at the top and only the first little bit shows. |
| 08:09.57 | vvande | I'd have to mouse over and it will show the whole thing for a short while. |
| 08:12.26 | vvande | I just checked another client (the very popular Hexchat) and the MOTD is no good there either. Only a bit of it shows and it's just not a clear place to communitcate anything - especially to somebody who doesn't know to make a point of reading it, such as a newcomer to IRC. |
| 08:17.34 | KatolaZ | vvande: a solution might be a bot that spits a motd to every new user only the first time it sees them |
| 08:17.46 | KatolaZ | and maintains a list of "seen" users |
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| 08:22.25 | vvande | I don't see the problem. Could a bot not just pop in when somebody logs in? |
| 08:23.23 | vvande | I don't normally log in, since I leave the channel open. No need to shut things off on a modern computer. |
| 08:23.41 | vvande | I'm not even that "regular" here. |
| 08:24.25 | vvande | KatolaZ: if that's easy, then that would be excellent I think. |
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| 08:37.32 | KatolaZ | vvande: shouldn't be particularly hard in any programming language |
| 08:40.25 | vvande | :) |
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| 11:48.00 | utente | hi. i just installed devuan 1.0 amd64 on athon64, 3GBram, 80GB pata as root and 2 HDD 1.5TB configured as raid1 for data. when i read data from raid1, the i/o is near to double the i/o ratio of the single HDD (single hdd: 57MB/s, raid1: 97 GB/s). unfortunately, when i write on raid1, i/o is SO POOR, about 5MB/s. there are some to trim? i did somethiing wron or it is software raid1 to be soo poor when i write on? |
| 11:48.48 | gnarface | hmm, i would expect it to be bad, but not that bad |
| 11:49.42 | gnarface | are you sure it's raid 1? |
| 11:49.45 | telst4r | software raid? look for sysctl -w |grep raid , there's some speed settings. |
| 11:49.54 | utente | gnarface, yes! i suppose mdadm take data stream, write on 1st hdd and then copy on 2nd. i can accept 40-30-20MB but 5mb/s is devasting. |
| 11:50.12 | utente | i create raid1 during devuan istallation. |
| 11:50.27 | utente | im not a newbie in debian :-) |
| 11:50.29 | telst4r | ^ sysctl -a that is, sorry. |
| 11:50.50 | utente | now i am writing on 100GB to test the performances. |
| 11:51.14 | utente | hold on, ird is in one room, raid pc is in underground :-) |
| 11:52.43 | telst4r | .. and the raid is synced, right? :) |
| 11:53.11 | utente | telst4r, hov to see if it is synced? |
| 11:54.07 | telst4r | see /proc/mdstat if I recall correctly |
| 11:55.18 | utente | telst4r, limit_max=200000 limit_min_=1000 |
| 11:57.52 | utente | cat /proc/mdstat----> resync 13,4% |
| 11:58.12 | utente | probably the disks are busy to resinc and performance are poor because of that |
| 11:59.41 | telst4r | That's a good guess.. but shouldn't it show up in iotop? |
| 11:59.59 | utente | cos i did not istalled iotop :-) |
| 12:00.20 | telst4r | Well, you could wait until synced, or install iotop :) |
| 12:00.24 | utente | i just did a basic installtion with 1st cd of devuan. it is a stand alone PC |
| 12:01.25 | telst4r | yeah, I discovered that very shortly myself:) |
| 12:02.36 | utente | i will see ig iotop is available on 1st CD of devuan. |
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| 12:04.33 | telst4r | Oh, it has no internetwork conn. |
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| 12:14.09 | utente | omg! i see resyng is running at 200KB/s! it means it will took more than one day to complete. |
| 12:16.21 | gnarface | maybe it is doing a low-level format the first time? or something? |
| 12:16.32 | gnarface | doesn't seem right though |
| 12:16.56 | telst4r | That's pretty fucked up :P |
| 12:23.14 | utente | i did i n past raid1 on some pc and i remind initial resync is slow, but i dont rember SO slow. more, those was 40GB discs, not are 1.5T disks. size matter :-) |
| 12:23.38 | gnarface | it's not raid 1e or something weird, right? |
| 12:23.44 | gnarface | raid 1+5 or whatever |
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| 12:24.41 | utente | it is raid1. 2 disks. i create the raid during devuan istallation. |
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| 13:02.19 | utente_ | i see devuan isntaller still has the word "debian". someone should "sed" it :-) |
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| 13:02.59 | fsmithred | utente_, are you talking about the volume label on the iso? |
| 13:03.51 | utente_ | no, i did installation with ncurses interface. in some steps, there is "debian" istead of "devuan". i i remember right, it is wher you have to mount the cd. |
| 13:04.21 | utente_ | it talk about the 1st debian cd, instead of 1st devuan cd. |
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| 13:09.27 | utente_ | i see that devuan 1.0 is veri similar to debian 8 (oldstable). to me is ok because i dont follow the "bleding edge" software but for many it could be "old". there are plan to move fast to ne software similar to debian 9? or now that devuan is stable it will follor her own path to evolve differen and far from debian? to me vevuan is a debian without systemd, i wish to know it devuan developer want to stay closest to |
| 13:09.27 | utente_ | debian list of packages or not. |
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| 13:16.35 | Awsy | lo |
| 13:18.41 | fsmithred | utente_, it's not just very similar to debian, it IS debian with the exception of packages which have been recompiled to not need systemd. |
| 13:18.56 | fsmithred | and we are working on the next version already. ascii = stretch |
| 13:20.19 | fsmithred | for now we are staying as close to debian as possible. We can't predict far into the future because we don't know what else debian may do. (i.e. what other crazy shit they may do.) |
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| 13:25.49 | OxFEEDBACC | anyone know of a channel dedicated to (ext) filesystems or who knows directly, what this syslog message is about? --- "kernel: EXT4-fs error (device dm-1): ext4_mb_generate_buddy:755: group 2819, 8869 clusters in bitmap, 18446 in gd" |
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| 13:26.48 | aitor | hi |
| 13:27.08 | fsmithred | hi aitor |
| 13:27.16 | OxFEEDBACC | this happened during an rsync on the target system, OpenSuse 13.1... following md5 checks appeared consistent regarding src/tgt |
| 13:27.17 | fsmithred | do you have a link for your test iso? |
| 13:27.18 | aitor | hi |
| 13:27.47 | aitor | i'm uploading in image of gnuinos based on ascii, if you want to test the installer |
| 13:27.52 | aitor | it works |
| 13:27.55 | fsmithred | cool |
| 13:28.11 | fsmithred | someone posted on d1g asking if you were working on ascii images |
| 13:28.17 | fsmithred | can I post the link there? |
| 13:28.18 | aitor | i changed main-menu.udeb, live-installer.udeb and grub-installer.udeb |
| 13:28.54 | fsmithred | are there separate grub-installer.udeb packages for bios and uefi? |
| 13:29.12 | fsmithred | or does one do it all? |
| 13:30.08 | aitor | grub-installer only installs bios, i think |
| 13:31.43 | aitor | here you are the link: |
| 13:31.44 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%20Ascii/ |
| 13:31.55 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 13:32.57 | aitor | it doesn't work in live mode, because i have to do some changes: there is an authentication failure |
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| 13:34.02 | fsmithred | where's that coming from? |
| 13:34.13 | aitor | configuring network interfaces also delais a lot in live sessions |
| 13:35.16 | aitor | ifup: waiting for lock on /run7network/ifste.eth0 |
| 13:35.17 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.27 | fsmithred | you using net.ifnames=0 on boot command? |
| 13:35.48 | aitor | fsmithred: its coming from an own script for live-sessions |
| 13:36.23 | fsmithred | I'm going to post your link. I'll mention that it doesn't run live. |
| 13:36.32 | aitor | net.ifnames=0 is added in isolinux/live.cfg |
| 13:36.46 | aitor | ok |
| 13:37.38 | aitor | fsmithred, i can't login in dev1galaxy: i received a new password, but the issue persists |
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| 13:37.56 | aitor | so, please, post it |
| 13:38.35 | aitor | need to go, see you later :) |
| 13:38.39 | fsmithred | done |
| 13:38.50 | fsmithred | the day after someone asked for it |
| 13:39.01 | aitor | thanks |
| 13:39.04 | aitor | bye |
| 13:39.06 | fsmithred | bye |
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| 13:42.21 | fsmithred | aitor, make sure you allow cookies for dev1galaxy.org (and maybe javascript, too, but I think that's for using the code and quote buttons in a post) |
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| 14:50.48 | TheOuterLinux | Is Devuan really systemd-free? |
| 14:51.05 | JotaMG | yes! |
| 14:51.36 | TheOuterLinux | Why is it on the package lists then? |
| 14:52.06 | enyc | TheOuterLinux: which package specifically? and what do you mean 'on the package lists' ? |
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| 14:52.24 | enyc | libsystemd0 is another matter from systemd providing init, etc |
| 14:53.17 | TheOuterLinux | I looked at the DVD.list file. It's got a bunch of systemd stuff. |
| 14:53.55 | enyc | I wonder if thats a default debian list |
| 14:54.29 | KatolaZ | TheOuterLinux: systemd is not in devuan repositories |
| 14:55.01 | KatolaZ | the only component you still have in jessie is libsystemd0, but many packages have already been rebuilt to remove that dependency |
| 14:55.41 | KatolaZ | and in any case, libsystemd0 does nothing at all if systemd is not running as pid1 |
| 14:56.34 | TheOuterLinux | What I don't get is why the list file that compliments the Devuan 1.0.0 DVD (4GB) ISO download file has systemd files on its package list. |
| 14:57.16 | KatolaZ | TheOuterLinux: which files? |
| 14:57.20 | KatolaZ | please be spefici |
| 14:57.22 | KatolaZ | specific |
| 14:57.41 | KatolaZ | and which "list file" are you referring to? |
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| 14:59.04 | TheOuterLinux_ | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_DVD.list.gz |
| 14:59.18 | KatolaZ | TheOuterLinux: which files are you referring to, please? |
| 14:59.46 | KatolaZ | which are the "systemd files" you are talking about? |
| 15:01.52 | TheOuterLinux_ | libsystemd-login0_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb |
| 15:01.52 | TheOuterLinux_ | libsystemd-daemon0_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb |
| 15:01.52 | TheOuterLinux_ | libsystemd-id128-0_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb |
| 15:01.52 | TheOuterLinux_ | libsystemd0_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb |
| 15:02.01 | KatolaZ | there is no package in devuan jessie that uses them |
| 15:02.17 | TheOuterLinux_ | There's more on that list. |
| 15:02.28 | KatolaZ | only libsystemd0 is a dep for some packages, as I explained ebove |
| 15:02.30 | KatolaZ | ~above |
| 15:02.54 | KatolaZ | and the large majority of those packages have been rebuilt and are available in the jessie-proposed repo |
| 15:03.42 | TheOuterLinux_ | But why have it on Devuan's lists? I'm confused. |
| 15:03.53 | KatolaZ | ... |
| 15:04.43 | KatolaZ | TheOuterLinux_: if you install devuan you willnot have systemd as init |
| 15:04.53 | KatolaZ | you will not have any systemd component running |
| 15:05.11 | KatolaZ | with the exception of libsystemd0, which does not do anything at all if systemd is not running as PID1 |
| 15:05.40 | TheOuterLinux_ | So it still has it installed, it just doesn't do anything? |
| 15:06.02 | KatolaZ | I have already said that a few times.... |
| 15:06.03 | gnarface | just runtime libraries |
| 15:06.17 | JotaMG | only a few packages now depends on libsystemd0 |
| 15:06.24 | gnarface | like getting directx libraries installed as part of a game install, without getting directx itself |
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| 15:11.22 | TheOuterLinux_ | Oh ok. I was literally thinking not a single systemd related anything at all or that someone figured out a way to make dummy packages. The DirectX reference made sense. Vi vala OpenGL! |
| 15:12.01 | gnarface | oh, you can make a dummy package to replace libsystemd0 |
| 15:12.04 | gnarface | that often does work |
| 15:12.09 | gnarface | but it's not that way in the repo |
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| 15:14.33 | TheOuterLinux | I tried removing systemd from my OpenSUSE 13.2 and you wouldn't believe the huge list of other programs it wanted to get rid of too. I got concerned and looked at the DVD.list file and saw Firefox and couldn't figure out how Devuan could have those apps but I couldn't, not even XFCE stuff. |
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| 15:16.25 | KatolaZ | TheOuterLinux: just try devuan |
| 15:19.39 | KatolaZ | none of us has systemd components installed |
| 15:19.49 | KatolaZ | or running |
| 15:20.08 | TheOuterLinux | I plan on it. I actually want to create a CLI distro that uses dialog and have been eyeing Devuan minimum for a while now. It's already got some neat stuff out of the box. |
| 15:20.09 | KatolaZ | if you don't want to jump in the dark, just spin a VM and try it out for a while |
| 15:20.29 | KatolaZ | TheOuterLinux: please have a look at devuan minimal-live, if you like |
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| 15:20.56 | KatolaZ | it's a CLI-based minimal distro with a whole lot of stuff |
| 15:21.05 | KatolaZ | and you can also install it on a hard drive |
| 15:21.06 | kahuno | hi all |
| 15:21.18 | KatolaZ | hi kahuno |
| 15:22.53 | KatolaZ | TheOuterLinux: you might also want to have a look at devuan sdk |
| 15:23.41 | TheOuterLinux | I figured out a way to watch video from w3m using mpv in TTY. You set w3m with a mobile user agent like Safari and then have the external web browser short cut as "mpv -ytdl --vo=opengl --ao=alsa". No need for caca-utils. If it'll do that, I'll be happy. |
| 15:24.37 | TheOuterLinux | The mobile user agent tricks sites into loading MP4 files instead of FLV. |
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| 15:26.54 | AntoFox | o/ |
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| 15:29.47 | TheOuterLinux_ | It'll also support anything that youtube-do does as well. It makes getting my CLI on much better. |
| 15:30.01 | TheOuterLinux_ | *youtube-dl |
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| 15:33.33 | Lydia_K | youtube-dl <3 |
| 15:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pwnie for Lamest Vendor Response: SystemD bugs 5998, 6225, 6214, 5144, 6237 https://pwnies.com/nominations/ |
| 15:36.28 | kahuno | ._. |
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| 16:21.51 | TheOuterLinux | @Lydia_K Agreed |
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| 18:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey fols, what's the common best practice and implementation method for package versioning with a string like "0.git20161102-1" ? does it need a manually created constant string version (in a file like version.h or whatever) in upstream repo, or will this get handled in the distro builds? Or is there a scripted approach in upstream for this? |
| 18:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey folks, even |
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| 20:10.20 | fugitive_ | <DocScrutinizer05> Try on #devuan-dev |
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| 20:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think #devuan-dev is avout the devuan infra itself mostly |
| 20:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | discussing stuff like amprolla or mirrors there |
| 20:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | my question is rather for #debian than for #devuan-dev, but I don't feel at home there :-) |
| 20:29.10 | drawkula | baking version numbers automagically from git is a major pain |
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| 21:13.55 | georg-gast-1 | anyone else using full disk encryption with devuan ascii? |
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| 21:14.30 | georg-gast-1 | if so, better read https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791944 |
| 21:15.42 | georg-gast-1 | it took me hours to debug the situation this far to find the corresponding bug |
| 21:17.11 | georg-gast-1 | finally, at least for me, the solution from message #258 works |
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| 21:22.26 | msiism | georg-gast-1: thanks for the hint. so, ifi got that right, it turned out to be and udev issue, right? |
| 21:24.19 | msiism | well, as udev is systemd territory, i don't find it very surprising to not work well together with sysvinit. |
| 21:25.57 | georg-gast-1 | msiism: kind of, sendsigs kills udev early at shutdown, some udev versions doesn't remove the control socket when killed ... |
| 21:26.56 | georg-gast-1 | msiism: and cryptsetup finally waits forever trying to tell udev it just removed a device |
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| 21:30.27 | msiism | georg-gast-1: well, maybe devuan should have a package for eudev in it's repos. |
| 21:30.52 | georg-gast-1 | the proposed solution prevents sendsigs killing udev by just in time creating a pid file in sendsigs.omit.d and kills udev after cryptdisks have been stopped |
| 21:31.28 | JotaMG | there is eudev in experimental i think |
| 21:31.42 | georg-gast-1 | msiism: sounds reasonable |
| 21:32.35 | JotaMG | here it works ok: |
| 21:32.36 | JotaMG | eudev 220:3.2.2-devuan2.3 |
| 21:33.18 | msiism | JotaMG: nice. |
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| 21:46.21 | bill-auger | drawkula: i came up with a scheme just this week to make git determine it's own version numbers, set them as tags and inject the value into the code - is that the kind of thing you were thinking of? |
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| 21:59.27 | georg-gast-1 | just tried to build devuan-eudev from source but it failed a a late stage |
| 21:59.45 | georg-gast-1 | dh_movefiles: debian/eudev/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/libudev/ not found (supposed to put it in libeudev-dev) |
| 21:59.53 | georg-gast-1 | dh_movefiles: debian/eudev/usr/lib/girepository-1.0/ not found (supposed to put it in gir1.2-geudev-1.0) |
| 22:00.17 | georg-gast-1 | anyone happens to know the cause? |
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| 22:01.32 | msiism | are you on jessie or ascii? |
| 22:01.37 | georg-gast-1 | ascii |
| 22:01.46 | msiism | ok, then i don't know |
| 22:01.58 | msiism | well, it's experimental... |
| 22:02.07 | georg-gast-1 | what would it be otherwise? |
| 22:02.21 | msiism | a problem with jessie |
| 22:02.26 | georg-gast-1 | *g* |
| 22:02.52 | msiism | i mean, i would have suggested you try it on ascii |
| 22:03.25 | msiism | maybe you could file a bug report. that would probably help. |
| 22:04.24 | georg-gast-1 | i'll give it another try later, if i don't get it working then, i'll do. |
| 22:04.30 | msiism | cool |
| 22:08.31 | gnu_srs | georg-gast-1: Why don't you install the already built version? deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan experimental main; apt-get update; apt-get install eudev |
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| 23:23.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | drawkula: yes. That's why I ask here ;-) |
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| 23:23.47 | drawkula | the idea to use tags is only semi automatic but probably less confusing |
| 23:25.26 | drawkula | or tag + short commit ID |
| 23:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | git washout here, as well as packaging. I just try to make a package fir for prometime on distros which I'm sort of responsible for (the package) |
| 23:25.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prefer the most simple solution |
| 23:27.00 | drawkula | date +%s |
| 23:27.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus I'm willing to 'hardcode' the version number manually |
| 23:27.02 | drawkula | ;-) |
| 23:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm stuck between distro maintainers who want a release, package managers which need (and user who want) a version number that's monotonically increasing to make sense of "version > $whatever", and a program author Werner Almesberger who refuses to do any releases ever |
| 23:30.40 | drawkula | that monotony is waht git does not do good... |
| 23:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why git hash is out |
| 23:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | `date` is fine |
| 23:31.25 | drawkula | increment a local counter by e.g. "make release" |
| 23:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 23:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | who? when? how? where? |
| 23:32.12 | drawkula | no makefile? |
| 23:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, we're talking about a git repo |
| 23:33.03 | drawkula | there sure is a magic command to get the last commit's timestamp... |
| 23:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's the simplest solution you could come up with? |
| 23:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | been there, discussed that. Gave up |
| 23:34.52 | drawkula | git log -1 --date=short |
| 23:35.01 | drawkula | plus some | awk ... |
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| 23:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you think this will work across all existing distros like Ubuntu, debian, redhat... ? |
| 23:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can tell you it won't |
| 23:36.12 | drawkula | a *nix without awk is a DOS |
| 23:36.14 | drawkula | :-P |
| 23:36.36 | drawkula | $ git log -1 --date=short | awk '/^Date:/{gsub("-","");print $2}' |
| 23:36.38 | drawkula | 20170730 |
| 23:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | some of them don't even use git for their stuff they release |
| 23:36.59 | drawkula | </3 git |
| 23:37.14 | drawkula | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.29 | drawkula | git is far too complex |
| 23:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | then why do you come up with a solution that depends on git? |
| 23:37.51 | drawkula | but you can't get along without seeing git after every 2nd corner |
| 23:38.24 | drawkula | DocScrutinizer05 | err, we're talking about a git repo |
| 23:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | onviously there's no way to run the solution you suggest on a public git repo |
| 23:39.50 | drawkula | ? |
| 23:40.22 | drawkula | maybe my english is different from yours. |
| 23:40.48 | drawkula | I lost the track completely now |
| 23:41.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-08-02 Wed 01:34:01] <DocScrutinizer05> been there, discussed that. Gave up |
| 23:41.21 | drawkula | there are enough others with probably good ideas |
| 23:41.29 | drawkula | I'm out of this topic now |
| 23:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | the command you suggest works only on local git repos used to build the binary |
| 23:43.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I asked for that solution. I forgot it doesn't work the way it's supposed to, when you don't require git on the target platform as build dependency |
| 23:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | soory for that. Did I mention i'm a packaging and git washout? |
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| 23:47.05 | drawkula | maybe it's too late (@GMT+2) for me to get the magic idea... |
| 23:48.37 | drawkula | are the timestamps stable? looking for the newest file's timestamp might be ok? |
| 23:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://packages.debian.org/experimental/eeshow prolly works. however that's not the upstream repo. Here's upstream http://neo900.org/git/eeshow/commit/?id=71c92484bd32e4006c485702212ec94a7f845916 and this is where the `date` solution fails: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/home:reisenweber/eeshow/Makefile.patch?expand=1 |
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| 23:56.12 | drawkula | and why does date fail? |
| 23:56.40 | drawkula | that $(shell date ...) looks ok |
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