| 00:01.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry my PC decided to panic and reboot. Prolly totally borked |
| 00:01.56 | drawkula | hit shappens... |
| 00:02.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | shell date is time of build, not time of any commit aiui |
| 00:03.39 | drawkula | but if you are the only one making releases, this is a monotone version number |
| 00:04.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not doing releases |
| 00:05.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | you're assuming I build locally and then push stuff to that repo, right? |
| 00:06.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's however not me doing that |
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| 00:07.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I'm not at all sure the author does a local make before pushing fixes to the repo |
| 00:07.37 | golinux | Reboot borked my ignore also ;) |
| 00:08.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | good that mine still works |
| 00:09.01 | golinux | goes to fix that |
| 00:09.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | please stop spamming the cannel with OT commens like that |
| 00:11.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | up to you to ignore stuff you dont undertand, but why share with channel about that fact? |
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| 00:12.36 | golinux | Done! |
| 00:19.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | drawkula: what would be the right way to make an official release on tht package? |
| 00:20.26 | drawkula | tht? |
| 00:20.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | that |
| 00:21.19 | drawkula | look for the timestamp of the youngest file? |
| 00:21.34 | drawkula | hardcode a version number into the Makefile? |
| 00:21.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | hm? |
| 00:21.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, that one prolly |
| 00:22.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | however that aiui doesn't qualify it as a release yet for distro maintainers |
| 00:23.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | commit comment "0.1.6 stable release" ? |
| 00:25.46 | drawkula | or as git tag |
| 00:26.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | admits he doesn't know what's a git tag |
| 00:26.39 | drawkula | kind of version comments |
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| 01:47.49 | phaeton | lots more people here than I expected |
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| 01:51.25 | theouterlinux | Quick question, if anyone is still here, if I have an encrypted /home partition, will Devuan be able to use it? I usually like OpenSUSE's encryption (512) better than Ubuntu's (128). |
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| 02:01.26 | bill-auger | using tags for releases has other benefits like not requiring an addition commit just to specify a comment or manually change the version number - and it makes it very simple to create a upstream tarball at that tagged point and then locate/checkout that tagged point in the VCS using only the name of the tarball |
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| 02:05.04 | bill-auger | my solution does this with git hooks that also inject the new computed version number into certain files such as configure.ac, invokes dch, runs sbuild and piuparts, and any other routine packaging tasks |
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| 02:05.58 | bill-auger | ive been wanting to do this for a long time because so much of packaging is mechanical it begs to be automated |
| 02:08.15 | bill-auger | perhaps someone looking at it only from the distro perspective would not see it this way - but from the perspective of an upstream that uses git and also manages distro packaging this workflow makes perfect sense so far |
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| 02:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | bill-auger: that sounds useful |
| 02:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could inject a new version number into makefile (or whatever) when git push with a release tag. - If I knew what to add to which git hook |
| 02:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is exactly the solution I joped for :-) |
| 02:15.01 | bill-auger | indeed until last week it was a README file with about 20 items on it "manual packaging steps for each release" - ive got that down to only adding/removing dependencies occasianally from the debian/control, .spec PKGBUILD files |
| 02:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hoped, even |
| 02:15.27 | bill-auger | you are quite welcome to use the parts of my scripts that you need |
| 02:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 02:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | feel free to post a link :-D |
| 02:16.31 | bill-auger | so far it manages the tags, GPG signatures, and release tarballs on github - then some ONS specific tasks- i am just getting to some debian specific stuff now |
| 02:20.48 | bill-auger | also uploads the signatires to github and verifies everything - a bunch of stuff you may want to skip |
| 02:20.50 | bill-auger | https://github.com/bill-auger/git-packaging-hooks |
| 02:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta! |
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| 02:52.12 | theouterlinux | Anyone here? |
| 02:52.20 | furrywolf | nope |
| 02:52.36 | theouterlinux | Ha... |
| 02:53.21 | theouterlinux | Can a Devuan install handle an already made encrypted /home partition? |
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| 02:54.09 | theouterlinux | Does Devuan support encrypting /home? |
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| 12:57.09 | gnarf_08 | it can handle encrypted devices, so i think the answer is yes... |
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| 12:59.19 | gnarf_08 | .oO( ten hours until a response... ) |
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| 18:14.53 | nailyk | what do you recommend for mtp please? |
| 18:15.10 | nailyk | (with tunar integration will be awesome :) ) |
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| 18:51.55 | R0b0t1` | Hello, is Plasma 5 supported? |
| 18:52.17 | R0b0t1` | I tried to find out and it seems like the answer is no, but those are not necessarily new things I was finding |
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| 18:59.29 | golinux | R0b0t1`: Have you searched the botbot logs for this channel? |
| 19:08.21 | R0b0t1` | Now I just did |
| 19:08.33 | R0b0t1` | There's 3 results, one of which is mine, it seems to be that it is installable and works? |
| 19:08.58 | nailyk | bot log search? |
| 19:09.13 | golinux | If they say it is, it probably is. |
| 19:09.18 | nailyk | ok into topic |
| 19:09.32 | golinux | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
| 19:10.05 | nailyk | thanks |
| 19:10.07 | R0b0t1` | Well they don't say it is |
| 19:10.28 | golinux | Also search the dng mail list archives |
| 19:10.30 | nailyk | nothing relevant for mtp it seems |
| 19:10.30 | R0b0t1` | Someone asks a question about network manager being missing and then someone mentions it's in the stretch repositories |
| 19:10.40 | R0b0t1` | So, it's in the stretch repositories |
| 19:10.52 | golinux | It's in jessie-proposed |
| 19:11.01 | golinux | (I think) |
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| 19:11.32 | golinux | It's been de-systemd'd |
| 19:12.22 | golinux | Again searching botbot should give you and answer. |
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| 19:17.20 | R0b0t1` | Okay I have no idea what to search for then |
| 19:17.24 | R0b0t1` | I got three results for plasma 5 |
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| 19:23.25 | golinux | You mentioned network-manager |
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| 19:29.00 | golinux | R0b0t1`: This might be helpful: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1126 |
| 19:29.14 | golinux | bbl |
| 19:30.46 | R0b0t1` | Thanks |
| 19:35.27 | greenjeans | hi all! |
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| 19:37.05 | Evilham | hi hi ^^ |
| 19:44.01 | greenjeans | anybody else try to upgrade in the last few days and get this issue? : https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1512 |
| 19:44.58 | greenjeans | I haven't tried yet but i'm curious if it's going to be widespread, the reported bug doesn't seem to affect all machines |
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| 19:55.24 | saptech | # aptitude dist-upgrade No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 19:55.30 | saptech | is what I get |
| 19:55.41 | saptech | I'm running Jessie |
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| 20:09.29 | greenjeans | and another update to os-prober gets pushed but os-prober still does not recognize Devuan..... |
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| 20:12.06 | greenjeans | but thank gawd it still recognizes Mandrake, because if I happen to be riding along in my TARDIS and feel like stopping by 2004 or so back when a Mandrake linux actually still existed and wanted to try a copy...by golly when I run update-grub it's gonna correctly label it, woo-hoo!! |
| 20:12.53 | saptech | I just plugged my cell phone into my desktop and it picked it up. Caja file manager open and I see files |
| 20:14.01 | saptech | but when I look at photos/pictures, they are showing a generic icon instead of the preview(thumbnail). Is there a way to have it show the preview? |
| 20:14.40 | saptech | it seems videos are showing the correct icon/preview and other files such as pdf etc, only photos are not showing correctly |
| 20:16.01 | saptech | photos on my desktop pc show the thumbnails icon correctly |
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| 20:19.07 | saptech | greenjeans, are you running jessie? |
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| 20:20.13 | greenjeans | In preferences>>preview in my Caja the default is to preview local files only, perhaps changing this setting might work saptech? |
| 20:20.18 | greenjeans | yep, running jessie |
| 20:22.36 | saptech | changing the preview settings worked. thanks |
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| 20:52.35 | greenjeans | I have no experience with git, if anyone online does my question is can you make small changes to a program there on git without having to download the whole project and re-do it all? |
| 20:54.55 | greenjeans | if so, I just requested access to os-prober on git.devuan, I will update the script that lists the OS'es to include Devuan and get rid of old listings |
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| 20:56.47 | DPA | You can create patches using git. You can also clone a local repo or push changes to your fork of a repo. It is possible to add different remote repos with git remote add, and changes from any repo & branch can be merged and pushed. |
| 20:58.16 | greenjeans | Wouldn't that be considered a "patch" if I just updated some code in one of the scripts? |
| 20:59.40 | DPA | Thus is just one way to do it. But in this case, I recommend to fork the repo on git.devuan, you can push your changes to your fork, and make a mergel request. The maintainer can then merge the changes. |
| 20:59.58 | DPA | *merge |
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| 21:01.26 | greenjeans | Seems a roundabout way to deal with what's probably no more than 2k in code changes |
| 21:01.57 | greenjeans | But I have to do something, this has been going on for quite a while |
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| 21:06.31 | greenjeans | the version listed on devuan packages is not the version being used in jessie...so am not sure i even requested access to the right thing |
| 21:08.10 | DPA | Iwhi |
| 21:08.20 | DPA | Which package is it? |
| 21:08.42 | DPA | (sorry, I'm typing on a phone) |
| 21:08.56 | greenjeans | os-prober |
| 21:09.11 | greenjeans | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/os-prober |
| 21:09.35 | greenjeans | but that's listed as 1.71, we are on 1.65 in jessie |
| 21:14.20 | DPA | Interesting, it doesn't seam like a package has been built from this repo yet. Otherwise, there would be a branche suites/<suitename> and a closed issue to start a build. |
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| 21:36.35 | greenjeans | yep, wrong version number unless it's for ascii |
| 21:36.42 | DPA | Why is it even in devuan-packages? I can't tell who created the repo, but it seams like there are only 6 persons who can create a repo there at the moment: Linda_K, golinux, nextime, jaromil, KatolaZ, CenturionDan, and, who is "hellekin"? Anyway, one of them should know what's up with this repo. However, It seams to me as if the real creator of the repo isn't listed as a member, since the member list doesn't contain an account with master rol |
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| 21:38.00 | golinux | DPA: I have permissions but have nothing to do with the packaging. |
| 21:38.41 | greenjeans | seems an error that it's there, I don't think anybody from Devuan has touched os-prober |
| 21:38.55 | greenjeans | packages are still coming from debian |
| 21:39.51 | greenjeans | so the update just pushed came straight from debian, and apprently nobody's really maintaining it, not even sure what prompted the update as nothing has been done |
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| 21:41.13 | greenjeans | i've got the file re-written already to add Devuan and Vuu-do and got rid of all the old discontinued ones, but to be complete I really need to add the more popular and common modern distros I think |
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| 21:42.02 | greenjeans | shoot, gotta add Refracta like right now or all my positive FSR-karma will disappear |
| 21:42.07 | greenjeans | lol |
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| 21:45.44 | DPA | It seams my last message was truncated. |
| 21:46.08 | DPA | It seams to me as if the real creator of the repo isn't listed as a member, since the member list doesn't contain an account with master role which was created before the repo. |
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| 21:50.15 | DPA | There are more repos like this. I assume the packaging process was different a year ago? |
| 21:55.33 | aitor | DPA: i would like to clarify some of your doubts |
| 21:56.07 | aitor | jaromil is the son of our den mother, i.e: golinux |
| 21:56.26 | aitor | KatolaZ lives in London, and he hates CMake because it's big and slow |
| 21:56.28 | golinux | LOL! The myth persists |
| 21:56.39 | aitor | nextime only works some sundays (in Tenerife) |
| 21:56.54 | aitor | CenturionDan is a brave surfer |
| 21:57.09 | Lydia_K | I think I died. |
| 21:57.11 | aitor | Lydia_K... sniff |
| 21:57.17 | golinux | aitor: What have you been smoking? |
| 21:57.22 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 21:57.26 | aitor | hk is a mistery, but he is still between us (maybe with another name), i'm pretty sure :) |
| 21:58.07 | aitor | golinux: mushrooms |
| 21:58.13 | aitor | the magic one |
| 21:58.23 | greenjeans | Katolaz lives in London and still won't fix os-prober for me |
| 21:58.56 | aitor | hi, greenjeans |
| 21:59.00 | greenjeans | it's aggravating my OCD Virgo thing |
| 21:59.07 | greenjeans | hi aitor! |
| 21:59.40 | Lydia_K | Mmm.. it's been a while for me, I miss those aitor. |
| 21:59.47 | greenjeans | need identifiers for other distros so I can update this mess properly |
| 22:00.19 | greenjeans | anyone wanting to help either post/message/smoke signal me |
| 22:00.24 | golinux | had a few of those back in the day . . . ) |
| 22:00.38 | greenjeans | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4155#p4155 |
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| 22:01.20 | greenjeans | lol golinux, that's how jaromil happened huh? |
| 22:01.24 | greenjeans | ;) |
| 22:01.29 | Lydia_K | LOL! |
| 22:01.35 | greenjeans | damn smushrooms |
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| 22:01.58 | aitor | greenjeans: don't take VUAs seriously |
| 22:02.36 | aitor | time to bed, bye :) |
| 22:02.42 | greenjeans | oh I don't, i'm a VUU, and us Veteran Unix Users don't take anyone seriously |
| 22:02.52 | greenjeans | g'night aitor |
| 22:03.09 | golinux | greenjeans: That's rather insulting. Managed to avoid going there thankfully. |
| 22:03.27 | Lydia_K | Goodnight aitor |
| 22:04.01 | aitor | i cook very well (do only one thing, but do it well) |
| 22:04.06 | golinux | He starts this mess and then splits when he's stirred the pot a bit |
| 22:04.30 | greenjeans | i'm just funning ya sister, you know I don't mean harm....it's just that i'm a Texan too so I know how those things usually go...almost named my kids MaryJane and Cuervo,lol |
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| 22:05.33 | golinux | I'm not really a Texan. That's the difference. I'm just here to avoid cold winters |
| 22:05.50 | golinux | And we are trashing this channel with OT nonsense |
| 22:07.05 | greenjeans | no worries ma'am, nobody's perfect |
| 22:07.24 | greenjeans | back on topic |
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| 23:30.31 | TheTrueHooha | I have a minor dependency hell and again I'm unsure why. I do use third-party repos for some things but to my knowledge these packages don't exist in the other repos (e.g. Deb-Multimedia) |
| 23:30.38 | TheTrueHooha | I attempt to install GNUNet |
| 23:30.58 | TheTrueHooha | It says gnunet : Depends: libextractor3 (>= 0.6.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:31.00 | TheTrueHooha | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 23:31.02 | TheTrueHooha | [16:30 root@lappy se7en] > |
| 23:33.39 | TheTrueHooha | libextractor3 : Depends: libavcodec57 (>= 10:3.1.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:33.40 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.43 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.44 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.46 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.49 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.50 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.52 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.54 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.57 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.59 | TheTrueHooha | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 23:34.02 | debdog | WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 23:40.49 | gnarface | TheTrueHooha: just remove every package from deb-multimedia and try it again |
| 23:42.08 | gnarface | TheTrueHooha: the whole point of deb-multimedia is they compile in versions&dependencies incompatible with the stock debian ones. so once you've installed them, your next upgrade is likely to choke if any of those packages are now slated as "upgrading" to a version *lower* than what you just installed, and all of *it's* dependencies are set for newer versions |
| 23:42.11 | gnarface | TheTrueHooha: make sense? |
| 23:42.21 | TheTrueHooha | Yes |
| 23:43.44 | TheTrueHooha | And yes, it worked |
| 23:43.51 | gnarface | cool |
| 23:44.12 | TheTrueHooha | Also sorry about that OT email I submitted to the ML. Am I still barred from sending mail to the ML? |
| 23:44.22 | gnarface | in theory you can usually just put the deb-multimedia stuff right back in afterwards if you need it, but sometimes there is a delay while they fix their own stuff too |
| 23:44.39 | gnarface | i don't manage the mailing list, sorry, dunno. |
| 23:45.11 | gnarface | if you sent one email and it just wasn't posted, make sure it's not just being delayed because you didn't register |
| 23:45.27 | gnarface | (the alsa mailing list works that way at least) |
| 23:45.32 | TheTrueHooha | Someone said I was moderated, Rick Moen said so too |
| 23:45.39 | TheTrueHooha | I'm se7en@cock.email |
| 23:45.44 | gnarface | oh, yea i don't know anything about that |
| 23:45.50 | gnarface | hah, nice email though |
| 23:46.02 | TheTrueHooha | I used to have a more professional one but I lost my password store |
| 23:49.19 | specing | lmao |
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