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| 00:56.30 | thoroughcheese | So, is the kernal in Devuan the same as Debian's, I.E.: Blobs removed? |
| 00:56.41 | thoroughcheese | kernel* |
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| 00:58.01 | fsmithred | yes, it's the same kernel as debian. |
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| 01:30.52 | thoroughcheese__ | fsmithred: is the plan to continue with the same kernel? |
| 01:31.05 | thoroughcheese__ | or rather, fork kernels from debian, or to diverge? |
| 01:31.54 | fsmithred | the plan is to continue using all of the debian repo except those things that require systemd |
| 01:32.03 | fsmithred | jessie=jessie |
| 01:32.08 | fsmithred | ascii=stretch |
| 01:32.44 | fsmithred | 4.9 kernel is in jessie-backports and in ascii |
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| 02:06.47 | thoroughcheese__ | nice, so basically no reason for me not to use devuan then |
| 02:07.38 | thoroughcheese__ | I'd rather have a blobless etup |
| 02:07.41 | thoroughcheese__ | setup* |
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| 02:09.16 | fsmithred | if you don't want non-free firmware, make sure to choose expert install |
| 02:09.25 | fsmithred | regular install doesn't ask |
| 02:09.55 | fsmithred | assuming you have hardware that needs it |
| 02:22.52 | gnarface | thoroughcheese__: a clarification - unlike Debian, the Devuan installer *does* include non-free firmware. the kernel package is literally the same package, but the installer may include any non-free firmware by default if you have certain wifi devices (maybe also certain video cards?) |
| 02:23.23 | gnarface | thoroughcheese__: (though i'm not sure, but i think it's only non-free firmware required to complete installation) |
| 02:23.48 | gnarface | those are all separate packages though, and can be removed as easily (or just avoided by doing expert mode install) |
| 03:04.41 | thoroughcheese__ | gnarface: I'm fine with that |
| 03:05.03 | thoroughcheese__ | I'd just rather have whatever non-free stuff I don't need uninstalled |
| 03:05.30 | thoroughcheese__ | it's also convenient, for any machines I need the stuff for, but I'd rather the kernel itself be deblobbed |
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| 08:27.05 | new2017 | good morning, any kernel experts online? |
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| 09:17.33 | Centurion-Dan | new2017: sure... plenty... not sure if you'll find them here though... we're mostly generalists here... |
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| 09:33.04 | jooles | Morning all. Does anyone know when xfce 4.13 is likely to hit ceres? |
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| 15:28.32 | EHeM | What were the troubles with X.Org and systemd? I've seen repeated mentions of some kind of trouble, but never actually knew what happened; so, what happened? |
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| 18:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.armis.com/blueborne ! |
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| 19:47.14 | kaboutur | what was the devuan-talk chan again? |
| 19:47.31 | MinceR | #debianfork |
| 19:47.59 | kaboutur | ur kidding |
| 19:48.25 | kaboutur | i thought there was some #devuan-xxxx chan |
| 19:51.03 | fsmithred | he's not kidding. |
| 19:55.46 | kaboutur | indeed.. i'm there. just don't remember the other chan(s) and not going to whois everybody |
| 19:56.16 | fsmithred | I don't know if there's a #devuan-user |
| 19:56.37 | fsmithred | there is a #devuan-mx (spanish) but I'm not sure what else. |
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| 20:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | #devuan-de |
| 20:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody there |
| 20:07.54 | EHeM | Has anyone yet created #debianspoon and #debianknife ? |
| 20:10.29 | kaboutur | i prefer "debspork" |
| 20:11.10 | unixman | Spork - neither a spoon nor a fork and does well at neither role. |
| 20:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like systemd ;-) |
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| 20:11.40 | MinceR | nah, systemd aims for a lot more than just 2 roles |
| 20:11.47 | unixman | ^^^ |
| 20:12.30 | aitor | DocScrutinizer05: german is very difficult |
| 20:12.30 | unixman | Sy*md is more like a poorly conceived Swiss Army Knife. :) |
| 20:12.58 | jonadab | unixman: I've played Spork. It's harder than vanilla NetHack, but not terrible like Slash'EM. |
| 20:13.16 | aitor | i prefer #devuan-mx |
| 20:13.27 | unixman | jonadab, a different Spork entirely than what I meant. ;) |
| 20:14.10 | unixman | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=spork |
| 20:14.28 | aitor | i prefer #devuan-mx than #devuan-de, i mean |
| 20:15.35 | jonadab | unixman: Yes, I know what a spork is, and why SporkHack was named that, I'm just being goofy. |
| 20:15.53 | unixman | jonadab, got it. :D |
| 20:19.35 | kaboutur | i'm running a devuan fork called kabouturlinux. basically it's devuan with systemd integration. |
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| 20:19.59 | jonadab | Debian with systemd integration... isn't that basically Debian? |
| 20:20.10 | kaboutur | no.. i said devuan with systemd :-) |
| 20:20.23 | kaboutur | and it wasn't a serious comment |
| 20:20.41 | MinceR | so who's going to make a kabouturlinux fork that removes systemd? |
| 20:20.43 | jonadab | Err, right, Devuan with systemd. That's what I meant to say... but again, wouldn't that basically be Debian? |
| 20:20.53 | jonadab | MinceR: Heh. |
| 20:21.05 | kaboutur | omg god... it'll be serious competition to debian! :) |
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| 20:21.32 | jonadab | Actually, can we make a Devuan fork that entirely removes pulseaudio? |
| 20:21.34 | kaboutur | i'm seriously concerned about deb though with many the devs falling away last cpl of years |
| 20:21.54 | kaboutur | pulseaudio is neat , just a hassle to configure |
| 20:22.26 | jonadab | It's theoretically neat on paper, if nothing goes wrong. In practice it's a nightmare. Well, only a nightmare if you care about having working audio, but. |
| 20:22.58 | EHeM | Perhaps things will end up like OpenWRT and LEDE; if the remains of Debian implode, perhaps Devuan will be invited to take over the name. |
| 20:23.23 | kaboutur | can you mix multiple sources with basic alsa ? |
| 20:23.42 | jonadab | That seems unlikely; but I'd be satisfied if Devuan ends up being a base that other distros are based on, like Debian has been in the past. |
| 20:24.26 | jonadab | kaboutur: Not sure about basic alsa, but we had sound from multiple sources all the time, before pulseaudio was a thing. Might've required esound, though. |
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| 20:25.52 | EHeM | Any speculation as to timing for "Ascii" to be released? (getting a newer GnuPG out would be nice) |
| 20:26.10 | kaboutur | ascii? |
| 20:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kaboutur: of course you can mix in ALSA |
| 20:26.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | see dmix plugin |
| 20:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no freaking soundserver like esound or PA needed |
| 20:27.48 | EHeM | kaboutur: Current testing (unsure whether that name is going to stay with testing versus being the release codename). |
| 20:27.55 | golinux | Next year |
| 20:28.29 | golinux | For now you have to upgrade from jessie. |
| 20:29.15 | kaboutur | i like how pulse can be used for network streaming and plugins/filters .. getting the sinks configured is just nasty but pactl is a convenient tool to talk to the system |
| 20:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | same can get done in ALSA |
| 20:29.42 | jonadab | kaboutur: Like I said, on paper, pulse would be nice, if it actually worked reliably. |
| 20:29.46 | MinceR | i like how i can get rid of pulse |
| 20:29.51 | MinceR | so its bugs won't affect me |
| 20:30.03 | MinceR | and mozilla can go die in a ditch |
| 20:30.03 | kaboutur | it's like systemd.... a lot of stress onset, a learning curve, then acceptance (or not) |
| 20:30.25 | jonadab | MinceR: Oh, I don't really care about browsers being able to play sound; I kind of prefer them not to, actually. |
| 20:30.32 | kaboutur | MinceR: doesn't new iceweasel / mozilla require pulseplugin? |
| 20:30.32 | EHeM | While the original X11 model of a display is ridiculously out of date, having networking built into the standard has been such a boon (note X forwarding over SSH). |
| 20:31.52 | KatolaZ | golinux: on what are you basing your prediction? |
| 20:31.54 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:32.16 | MinceR | kaboutur: firefox is supposed to require pulseaudio on unix at some point |
| 20:32.23 | kaboutur | EHeM: that and years of security worries (xhost+all etc) |
| 20:32.28 | MinceR | which made me switch to palemoon |
| 20:32.45 | golinux | KatolaZ: Past performance |
| 20:32.46 | MinceR | but since palemoon isn't going to fix long-running gecko/goanna bugs either, i'm looking at blink and webkit browsers |
| 20:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you seen https://www.armis.com/blueborne ? |
| 20:33.14 | jonadab | switched to SeaMonkey when it became clear the Firefox developers had lost interest in doing normal maintenance and were more concerned about inventing creating ways to make the UI worse. |
| 20:33.32 | MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: not yet |
| 20:33.38 | jonadab | switched _back_ to Seamonkey, I should say. |
| 20:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-1000250 |
| 20:33.46 | MinceR | good thing i don't trust bluetooth |
| 20:34.44 | kaboutur | gossip talk in the hallway about numerous unexplored bugs in bluetooth implementations |
| 20:34.49 | MinceR | naturally this vulnerability also had to have a brand name and a logo of its own |
| 20:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-P |
| 20:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | they pitched this one realy well for maximum noise |
| 20:35.41 | kaboutur | maybe buying a ubertooth one |
| 20:36.32 | kaboutur | ( not me , no time... just suggesting it ) |
| 20:36.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually wonders if they *sell* exploits |
| 20:36.53 | MinceR | well, the website does sound like a sales pitch |
| 20:37.03 | MinceR | "By spreading through the air, BlueBorne targets the weakest spot in the networks\u2019 defense \u2013 and the only one that no security measure protects. Spreading from device to device through the air also makes BlueBorne highly infectious." |
| 20:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I wonder |
| 20:39.02 | kaboutur | BlueZ is also affected |
| 20:39.35 | kaboutur | DocScrutinizer05: sales pitch yes. but it's widely known that major flaws in the bluetooth protocol itself existed |
| 20:39.48 | kaboutur | just wonder why they are discovered just now |
| 20:40.22 | MinceR | "hacker" |
| 20:40.32 | kaboutur | i think there's probably a link with the availability of cheap hardware testing gear for consumers |
| 20:40.56 | kaboutur | -for consumers |
| 20:42.45 | MinceR | >Here is a quick overview of how BlueBorne works: >explains absolutely nothing about how it works |
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| 20:50.21 | gnarface | i think the reason they're just discovering this bluetooth vulnerability now is the same reason it's immaterial to me; bluetooth doesn't fucking work |
| 20:50.27 | gnarface | find a device that's supported |
| 20:50.29 | gnarface | find TWO |
| 20:50.38 | gnarface | (not just in the docs) i dare you |
| 20:50.48 | kaboutur | on linux one blueborn is a memleak disclosing your kernel/bluez version; the other exploit is a stack overflow in l2cap |
| 20:50.51 | gnarface | find two and try to obexpush or obexftp some data over one to the other then checksum it |
| 20:51.03 | kaboutur | wonder if they disclose some PoC... else it's not so useful :) |
| 20:51.07 | gnarface | you'll quickly find there aren't enough bluetooth *drivers* in a functional enough condition to really render an attack surface in the first place |
| 20:51.29 | gnarface | maybe it'll hurt some android users |
| 20:51.32 | gnarface | (a pity) |
| 20:52.03 | MinceR | i do have working bluetooth devices |
| 20:52.27 | unixman | I have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse that work with my tablet. <- two |
| 20:52.28 | MinceR | i only ever used it on mobile devices though |
| 20:52.57 | kaboutur | it's pretty serious since most devices are smartphones and the dumb user leaves everything on (bluetooth included) |
| 20:53.20 | kaboutur | and it might take a while before people update their shit |
| 20:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Logitech unify stuff here. Plus a 2 headsets paired with 3 devuces |
| 20:53.45 | MinceR | unifying is not bluetooth though, is it? |
| 20:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.logitech.com/en-us/promotions/6072 |
| 20:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is |
| 20:54.51 | gnarface | i guess i meant [on linux] |
| 20:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | BTLE afaik |
| 20:55.06 | gnarface | [on linux] god help you if you need to do something more complex than make the device report it's own mac address |
| 20:55.12 | MinceR | i love it when my browser tells me it has found the string i searched for, but won't show me where it found it |
| 20:55.17 | gnarface | because most the drivers are broken right now and nobody even notices |
| 20:56.01 | gnarface | MinceR: that's because the website is using hidden layers, it's just not smart enough to hide them from the browser's inline string search |
| 20:56.06 | MinceR | the only mention of bluetooth i see there is a link to their bluetooth speakers |
| 20:56.15 | MinceR | yeah, the "modern" web sucks |
| 20:56.51 | kaboutur | MinceR: you're right.. website (salespitch) seems to push their own vuln scanner ... sources or it didn't happen :) |
| 20:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm actually I'm not sure it's really == BTLE |
| 20:57.44 | MinceR | all i see is that it uses the ISM band, which is to be expected |
| 21:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | got this one anyway, it's BT |
| 21:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/bluetooth-illuminated-keyboard-business |
| 21:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and my MX Revilution/5500 mice are all both BT plus proprietary Logitech receiver |
| 21:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | except the oldest one |
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| 21:05.12 | MinceR | i have wired keyboards and mice |
| 21:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wired keyboard and MC-Revolution/5500 mouse on workstation. KT810 BT kbd with touchpad for kivingroom media PC |
| 21:14.55 | kaboutur | ah blueborne whitepaper actually mentions the use of ubertooth as a reason that removes the barrier of bluetooth research |
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| 23:06.37 | newbiedude | Hi, thanks a lot, I just installed Devuan. I am having issues getting my GPU going, and also I have noticed TLP isn't in ther repo. |
| 23:06.56 | newbiedude | I have an ATI GPU, it's old (Thinkpad T60). |
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| 23:09.05 | gnarface | can you be more specific newbiedude? |
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| 23:09.21 | gnarface | what is the problem you're having getting your GPU going, specifically? |
| 23:11.23 | newbiedude | Perhaps I should have been clearer. I'm pretty sure the open source ATI drivers are running already, but they're very slow compared to the proprietary ones. |
| 23:12.02 | newbiedude | When I was running Debian I'm pretty sure I simply added the radeon package and rebooted and that was that. |
| 23:12.27 | gnarface | well all you can really do for that is check the Xorg log to make sure it's using the radeon driver at all, instead of falling back on some generic vesa or framebuffer support |
| 23:12.35 | newbiedude | ahhhh |
| 23:12.42 | newbiedude | i'll do that now |
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| 23:12.57 | gnarface | of course there are plenty of cases where the proprietary drivers are faster, that's generally expected behavior |
| 23:13.02 | gnarface | *how much faster* matters though |
| 23:13.07 | gnarface | and it varies from device to device |
| 23:14.04 | gnarface | also, be careful not to confuse MESA/OpenGL issues with 2d desktop performance/window drawing (and while THINKING you're being careful about this, be aware that firefox NOW RENDERS IN OpenGL BY DEFAULT so it's a really poor control case for this type of test) |
| 23:14.22 | newbiedude | [ 1308.606] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon X1300" (ChipID = 0x7149) [ 1308.606] (II) RADEON(0): GPU accel disabled or not working, using shadowfb for KMS [ 1308.606] (II) Loading sub module "shadow" [ 1308.606] (II) LoadModule: "shadow" |
| 23:14.26 | newbiedude | aha |
| 23:14.28 | newbiedude | you're right |
| 23:14.32 | newbiedude | it is falling back |
| 23:14.39 | gnarface | interesting |
| 23:14.48 | gnarface | well look for all lines with (EE) in them especially |
| 23:14.53 | newbiedude | it's detected the proper card |
| 23:14.59 | newbiedude | could I be missing a firmware package? |
| 23:15.05 | newbiedude | or something |
| 23:15.27 | gnarface | yes, could be missing firmware. for all i know you could be missing MESA altogether, in fact. you should check that. |
| 23:15.41 | newbiedude | this is a naked install i just did |
| 23:15.59 | gnarface | that would help if i had a frame of reference |
| 23:16.02 | newbiedude | nothing on here but screen and dungeon crawl and the xfce desktop |
| 23:16.09 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep mesa |
| 23:16.36 | newbiedude | ii libegl1-mesa:i386 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 i386 free implementation of the EGL API -- runtime ii libegl1-mesa-drivers:i386 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 i386 free implementation of the EGL API -- hardware drivers ii libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 i386 free implementation of the OpenGL API -- |
| 23:16.53 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 23:16.55 | newbiedude | oh and i installed the mesa utils so i could get glxgears and see a frame rate ;^) |
| 23:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | !paste |
| 23:16.57 | infobot | i guess paste is http://pastebin.org/ or http://bin.cakephp.org/ or http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 23:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | just in case :-) |
| 23:17.22 | newbiedude | thank you for your help |
| 23:17.28 | gnarface | newbiedude: people will get angry if you do multi-line pastes too much. use pastebin (or paste.debian.net, preferrably, no ads) |
| 23:17.36 | gnarface | DocScrutinizer05: that should be updated to not contain urls with ads |
| 23:17.45 | newbiedude | https://pastebin.com/D20bBx6i |
| 23:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | !factinfo paste |
| 23:18.10 | infobot | paste -- created by brlcad <~sean@BZ.BZFLAG.BZ> at Mon Jun 7 19:05:33 2010 (2654 days); it has been requested 16 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 13s ago. |
| 23:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | gnarface: feel free to update it |
| 23:18.35 | gnarface | newbiedude: i'm no mesa expert, but it looks like you've got a bunch of mesa packages. check this now: dpkg -l |grep firmware |
| 23:19.04 | newbiedude | ii firmware-iwlwifi 0.43 all Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards |
| 23:19.16 | newbiedude | iwlwifi firmware which was nice to have off the bat |
| 23:19.23 | gnarface | newbiedude: you're indeed missing firmware-amd-graphics, or firmware-amd-nonfree according to this wiki page (which should still be mostly relevant) https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 23:19.51 | gnarface | newbiedude: if you check the output of dmesg, you would see it complaining about the missing firmware somewhere in there, most likely |
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| 23:20.10 | newbiedude | i looked and there's no firmware package for ati in devuan at all |
| 23:20.24 | newbiedude | i seem to recall having to install that on debian |
| 23:20.29 | gnarface | note, ATI was bought by AMD |
| 23:20.42 | Xenguy | Seems odd |
| 23:20.46 | gnarface | the wiki says it's firmware-amd-graphics |
| 23:21.03 | gnarface | it also says to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:21.12 | gnarface | but also xsserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 23:21.18 | gnarface | *xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 23:21.34 | gnarface | so it seems like some stuff is still bearing "ATI" as a name while other stuff has been changed to AMD |
| 23:21.42 | Xenguy | Yeah, the wiki is a good source, makes sense |
| 23:21.42 | gnarface | gotta pay attention, it looks like kindof a mess |
| 23:22.21 | newbiedude | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-amd-graphics |
| 23:22.26 | newbiedude | that's the missing package |
| 23:22.39 | gnarface | newbiedude: you may not have non-free enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list, which would mean the packages don't show up when you search locally |
| 23:23.21 | newbiedude | main contrib non-free all enabled |
| 23:23.27 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 23:23.29 | newbiedude | i checked as soon as it was installed |
| 23:23.49 | newbiedude | because i wanted to turn off the cd-rom as a source as i put my ultrabay battery in there instead |
| 23:24.04 | gnarface | they were already enabled? or you enabled them at that point? |
| 23:24.09 | newbiedude | i suppose i could just install the debian stretch firmware-amd-graphics package |
| 23:24.16 | gnarface | no, don't do that yet. did you remember to run apt-get update |
| 23:24.18 | gnarface | ? |
| 23:24.20 | newbiedude | they were enabled by default |
| 23:24.24 | newbiedude | yeah |
| 23:24.31 | gnarface | so it's important to understand something here |
| 23:24.39 | gnarface | the packages are all the same with few exceptions |
| 23:24.40 | newbiedude | i have done apt-get update |
| 23:24.48 | gnarface | you're on jessie, or ascii? |
| 23:24.48 | newbiedude | then i did apt-get upgrade of course |
| 23:24.55 | newbiedude | jessie |
| 23:25.06 | gnarface | try firmware-linux-nonfree instead |
| 23:25.09 | newbiedude | is ascii the next release? i would be willing to update |
| 23:25.26 | gnarface | ascii is the next release, it corresponds to stretch, but it's not finished yet |
| 23:25.33 | newbiedude | ok |
| 23:25.39 | gnarface | and your hardware should be old enough for it not to matter, save that as a last resort |
| 23:25.46 | newbiedude | it's running |
| 23:26.26 | newbiedude | gotta reboot now |
| 23:26.31 | newbiedude | i'll be back |
| 23:27.24 | Xenguy | On Jessie I get: |
| 23:27.27 | Xenguy | $ apt-cache search firmware-amd-graphics |
| 23:27.28 | Xenguy | $ |
| 23:27.42 | Xenguy | Not sure why |
| 23:27.59 | fsmithred | because there's no package by that name? |
| 23:28.14 | Xenguy | Oh, that package may be in stretch it says |
| 23:28.26 | Xenguy | Anyhow, I don't care, so: abort mission |
| 23:28.29 | Xenguy | ;0 |
| 23:28.36 | fsmithred | shit. there is a package by that name |
| 23:28.56 | fsmithred | try 'apt-cache search firmware | grep amd' |
| 23:29.17 | fsmithred | and I only have jessie sources enabled at the moment |
| 23:29.18 | Xenguy | $ apt-cache search firmware | grep amd |
| 23:29.18 | Xenguy | amd64-microcode - Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs |
| 23:29.33 | fsmithred | you don't see the other? |
| 23:29.44 | Xenguy | Just 1 line returned |
| 23:29.48 | fsmithred | it's in jessie-backports |
| 23:30.08 | Xenguy | Oh, I don't have any backport repos enabled |
| 23:30.25 | gnarface | hmm |
| 23:30.36 | gnarface | someone had better tell that to newbiedude when he comes back |
| 23:30.42 | gnarface | i may not be here |
| 23:30.51 | fsmithred | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 23:30.54 | Xenguy | Tell him what? |
| 23:31.14 | gnarface | to get firmware-amd-whatever from jessie-backports |
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| 23:31.21 | Xenguy | check |
| 23:31.25 | Xenguy | There he is |
| 23:31.30 | newbiedude | Yay! |
| 23:31.36 | newbiedude | that's all it took |
| 23:31.42 | gnarface | newbiedude: did it work? oh, good. |
| 23:31.48 | newbiedude | i was stupidly searching for amd firmware or then ati |
| 23:32.02 | newbiedude | turns out it was just all rolled up into one big frimware package, that's how i like it |
| 23:32.07 | newbiedude | this is beautiful |
| 23:32.17 | newbiedude | ok so one more thing |
| 23:32.19 | newbiedude | what about tlp? |
| 23:32.21 | Xenguy | Which package was it newbiedude ? |
| 23:32.31 | gnarface | newbiedude: well, while you were gone it was discovered that firmware-amd-graphics package from stretch is in jessie-backports, too |
| 23:33.04 | gnarface | newbiedude: but if the firmware-linux-nonfree bundle has what you need, i'd say don't try to fix what's not broken |
| 23:33.15 | Xenguy | Aha |
| 23:33.22 | newbiedude | Xenguy: firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:33.27 | newbiedude | yeah |
| 23:33.29 | Xenguy | bingo, thank you all |
| 23:33.37 | newbiedude | perfect |
| 23:33.46 | newbiedude | so what about tlp? |
| 23:33.53 | gnarface | what's tlp? |
| 23:34.06 | Xenguy | Too Long to Process |
| 23:34.07 | newbiedude | linrunner.de |
| 23:34.22 | newbiedude | it's a laptop power management suite |
| 23:34.26 | newbiedude | it really helps |
| 23:34.41 | gnarface | it's not in the repos for jessie either? i see it in ceres. check jessie-backports |
| 23:34.58 | gnarface | apt-cache search ^tlp |
| 23:35.11 | gnarface | if you use the "^" at the beginning of the search string, it anchors the search to the start of lines |
| 23:35.34 | gnarface | (makes it easier to search by package name for specific substrings that are common in all words) |
| 23:35.41 | Xenguy | regex FTW |
| 23:35.48 | newbiedude | no output |
| 23:35.53 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 23:36.25 | newbiedude | on my other computer (debian with systemd removed) i have it installed from the linrunner repo |
| 23:36.31 | newbiedude | so maybe it's not in debian at all? |
| 23:36.33 | newbiedude | hmm |
| 23:36.41 | gnarface | it's in jessie-backports, i just checked for you |
| 23:37.00 | gnarface | version 0.9 |
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| 23:37.30 | gnarface | being in ceres means it's also in debian sid |
| 23:38.33 | gnarface | newbiedude: i recommend you enable jessie-backports in your sources.list temporarily to get tlp, but then comment it back out (but keep it for reference, because if you're a gamer you may want to get mesa and xorg from backports too) |
| 23:38.33 | newbiedude | ok great |
| 23:38.37 | newbiedude | i will do this now |
| 23:38.51 | gnarface | to be clear; enable the *devuan* jessie-backports not the debian one |
| 23:39.08 | gnarface | the instructions from debian should otherwise be accurate, except for the repo hostname |
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| 23:41.27 | newbiedude | excellent |
| 23:41.31 | newbiedude | i'm installing it now |
| 23:41.48 | newbiedude | i recommend it if you have a laptop, very nice software |
| 23:42.01 | gnarface | hmm. noted |
| 23:42.02 | newbiedude | thank you for all your help gnarface |
| 23:42.08 | newbiedude | this is perfect |
| 23:42.12 | gnarface | no problem, welcome to Devuan :) |
| 23:43.05 | gnarface | it's important to know that most the packages are actually pulled directly from the Debian repos |
| 23:43.12 | gnarface | so they don't really have anything we don't |
| 23:43.34 | gnarface | we have 2 extra packages, and a couple dozen that have been rebuilt to not require systemd |
| 23:43.57 | gnarface | everything else is completely, 100% debian (so far) |
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| 23:45.04 | gnarface | that may change radically some day (all options still on the table, as far as i've heard) but for the moment what we do here is probably more up to Debian than they realize |
| 23:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | !package |
| 23:45.05 | infobot | package is, like, simply not installable and a bug report against |
| 23:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg |
| 23:45.15 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, #devuan packagelist is on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages |
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| 23:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla |
| 23:46.38 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
| 23:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 23:47.10 | gnarface | facepalms |
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| 23:47.19 | gnarface | i hate it when they do that |
| 23:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | too |
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| 23:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | what the... |
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| 23:51.13 | gnarface | yes, now suddenly it looks suspicious |
| 23:51.42 | gnarface | i'm experiencing high latency here too now |
| 23:51.55 | gnarface | ... and back to normal |
| 23:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly freenode doing some server juggling |
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