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| 09:38.13 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. I'm trying to run anbox (Android in a box) on a Devuan system (on my laptop, x86). I'm facing with a problem. Seems anbox relies on XDG_RUNTIME_DIR. This in turn is set, on Ubuntu and Debian, by systemd, if I'm right. I found https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/, letter by Roger Leigh. Is there any easy solution to get what anbox is expecting without using systemd? |
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| 10:07.09 | blap | Enrico_Menotti: do you know how to set environment variables in the shell? |
| 10:08.25 | blap | export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=[whatever] |
| 10:08.29 | Enrico_Menotti | blap I fear setting an environment variable would not be enough. I don't know exactly what relationships may be there behind that environment variable. |
| 10:09.04 | blap | https://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html |
| 10:09.22 | Artemis3 | magic? not xD its just pointing to a folder :P |
| 10:09.55 | Enrico_Menotti | I mean, in the letter I pointed to, Roger Leigh states that the specs are not clear. However, let me read the link provided by blap. Thanks. |
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| 10:19.40 | Enrico_Menotti | "If $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set applications should fall back to a replacement directory with similar capabilities and print a warning message." Seems anbox does not do this. |
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| 10:20.31 | Enrico_Menotti | Also in that specs there are default values specified for all these dirs *except* the last, $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR. So I'd like a hint to decide where to place this dir. |
| 10:21.48 | Enrico_Menotti | And last point, the specs say this dir should be created at login and removed at logout, and shared by concurrent simultaneous sessions. How to manage this thing without systemd? Isn't there any fix/workaround already developed? Should I do that by hand? |
| 10:30.42 | gnarface | ok, well it belongs in /tmp |
| 10:30.50 | gnarface | i don't know where systemd puts it though |
| 10:31.18 | gnarface | i think it probably also barely matters |
| 10:31.25 | gnarface | except in a security sense |
| 10:31.43 | gnarface | but probably a better question is whether it really needs it |
| 10:31.55 | gnarface | how exactly does anbox rely on that value? does it just refuse to run if it's not set? |
| 10:32.09 | gnarface | for that matter, are you sure it's not set? |
| 10:34.56 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Ok, let's go by steps from the message error I get to why I think the problem is XDG_RUNTIME_DIR. Honestly, I'm not sure this is the actual problem, but indeed the code seems to look for that variable, and seems it is not defined in my user session. |
| 10:35.36 | gnarface | ok and if you create an arbitrary empty directory in your home directory and point it at that, does it fix the error? |
| 10:36.17 | Enrico_Menotti | Let me try. |
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| 10:37.12 | gnarface | also, do you have any of these XDG environment variables set? |
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| 10:37.23 | gnarface | ? env |grep XDG |
| 10:37.45 | aitor | hi |
| 10:38.14 | aitor | parazyd, are you there? |
| 10:38.37 | gnarface | oh, Enrico_Menotti probably this part is important: |
| 10:38.45 | gnarface | $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR defines the base directory relative to which user-specific non-essential runtime files and other file objects (such as sockets, named pipes, ...) should be stored. The directory MUST be owned by the user, and he MUST be the only one having read and write access to it. Its Unix access mode MUST be 0700. |
| 10:39.09 | gnarface | so make sure that directory is owned by the user and chmod 0700 |
| 10:39.55 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface In fact just creating ~/test and export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=~/test does not work yet. |
| 10:39.59 | parazyd | aitor: yes? |
| 10:40.10 | Enrico_Menotti | Well be back in a while (lunchtime). Thanks for now. |
| 10:40.20 | aitor | hi, parazyd :) |
| 10:40.34 | MinceR | maybe it needs a full path |
| 10:40.48 | gnarface | no it clearly says there it needs to be mode 0700 |
| 10:40.50 | aitor | i'm getting the following error in jessie with live-sdk: |
| 10:40.53 | aitor | mksquashfs: Unrecognised compressor option -Xbcj |
| 10:41.15 | aitor | running it in the command line, it works |
| 10:41.37 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: i notice that e17 defines XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/enlightenment:/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share |
| 10:42.08 | gnarface | not sure if defining that would suffice instead |
| 10:43.20 | aitor | but, within the strapdir, it doesn't work |
| 10:43.32 | aitor | [E] error in: iso_xorriso_build |
| 10:43.37 | parazyd | are you building i386 or amd64? |
| 10:43.49 | aitor | i386 |
| 10:44.16 | aitor | i386 workek in ascii for me |
| 10:44.21 | aitor | worked* |
| 10:45.06 | aitor | i didn't know pushd and popd in zsh :) |
| 10:45.16 | parazyd | aitor: try out this patch: http://sprunge.us/MTKN |
| 10:46.16 | aitor | paazyd: i'll try |
| 10:46.47 | aitor | `mksquashfs . ../filesystem.squashfs` without parameters works in the strapdir |
| 10:47.40 | aitor | thanks |
| 10:49.25 | aitor | as i can see, the patch replaces `-Xbcj x86` by `${extraopts}`, isn't it? |
| 10:50.08 | parazyd | yeah, only when amd64 is being built |
| 10:50.12 | parazyd | oh sry |
| 10:50.23 | aitor | ok |
| 10:50.30 | parazyd | i made a typo |
| 10:50.32 | parazyd | use this: http://sprunge.us/EERY |
| 10:50.42 | aitor | parazyd: i suggest you to change the name of the $kernel_version variable |
| 10:50.50 | parazyd | where? |
| 10:51.35 | aitor | use "abiname" or "kernel_abiname" instead, leaving the other one for the sources |
| 10:52.17 | aitor | for example: 3.16.0-4 would be the abiname, and 3.16.48 the version of the kernel |
| 10:53.07 | parazyd | but nowhere regarding live a kernel version is declared |
| 10:54.50 | aitor | nope? |
| 10:55.28 | parazyd | no |
| 10:55.50 | aitor | i saw it somewhere, maybe in a blend done by fsmithred... |
| 10:56.34 | aitor | parazyd: which is the antonym of nope? |
| 10:56.38 | aitor | yeap? |
| 10:56.43 | parazyd | hahah |
| 10:57.01 | parazyd | yeah if you saw kernel versions, probably a blend |
| 10:57.16 | aitor | i'll aply the patch, see you later and thanks |
| 10:57.54 | fsmithred | I can't find the string 'linux-image' in my blend files |
| 10:58.34 | aitor | fsmithred: $kernel_version |
| 10:59.08 | fsmithred | nope |
| 10:59.24 | fsmithred | there's something for choosing 686 vs. 586 |
| 10:59.30 | fsmithred | but not version |
| 11:01.18 | aitor | ok, i'll try to find it this afternoon, it's in another hard disk |
| 11:01.29 | fsmithred | so are most of mine |
| 11:02.06 | fsmithred | why no -Xbcj with i386? |
| 11:03.31 | aitor | i don't know, i'm trying it in the command line and it dosn't work |
| 11:04.02 | aitor | the installed kernel is 3.16.0-4-586 |
| 11:04.34 | fsmithred | I'm sure I haven't tried that. |
| 11:05.37 | aitor | bbr :) |
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| 11:51.23 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface I'm trying to read anbox code. I'm not comfortable enough with c++ syntax to understand fully what's going on. I will try to ask also on #anbox. But if you don't mind it, I'd like to ask here first. So, I'm reading https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/cmds/container_manager.cpp#L104. |
| 11:51.59 | Enrico_Menotti | The error I get is [container_manager.cpp:205@setup_mounts] Failed to mount Android cache directory. |
| 11:52.33 | Enrico_Menotti | This message is risen here: https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/cmds/container_manager.cpp#L203. |
| 11:53.27 | Enrico_Menotti | src_dir_path and target_dir_path are defined here: https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/cmds/container_manager.cpp#L186. |
| 11:54.14 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: did you see what i said about permissions? |
| 11:54.28 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Yes, already tried that. No luck. |
| 11:54.53 | gnarface | i wonder if it actually has to be created at login... |
| 11:54.59 | gnarface | that would be possible with the login scripts for bash |
| 11:56.04 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Let me go on a bit - I'd like to explain how I came to XDG_RUNTIME_DIR. |
| 11:56.32 | Enrico_Menotti | android_rootfs_dir is defined by https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/cmds/container_manager.cpp#L116. |
| 11:57.34 | Enrico_Menotti | So all goes to SystemConfiguration::instance(), right? |
| 11:58.11 | Enrico_Menotti | That one is https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/system_configuration.cpp#L84. |
| 11:59.22 | Enrico_Menotti | Here I get lost. I don't find rootfs_dir() nor data_dir(). |
| 12:01.13 | Enrico_Menotti | But by looking around, I've seen https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/system_configuration.cpp#L30. |
| 12:01.52 | Enrico_Menotti | In particular, https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/system_configuration.cpp#L33, and that's where I see XDG_RUNTIME_DIR. |
| 12:02.29 | Enrico_Menotti | That's it, if anybody has the patience to read at those links and try to explain to me what's going on... |
| 12:11.00 | gnarface | sorry Enrico_Menotti i'm not gonna even claim to be able to understand any of it at the moment |
| 12:11.10 | gnarface | i was aiming for a much simpler form of troubleshooting here |
| 12:11.26 | gnarface | it would not surprise me to find out it's not doing what the docs say it should |
| 12:12.46 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Ok, np. I will ask on #anbox and see if anybody sheds some light on it. |
| 12:13.26 | gnarface | (it also wouldn't surprise me if systemd doesn't do what it says it does with it either) |
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| 13:00.36 | user42 | fsmithred: hi i found the problem(/bug?) on my hp 250 G5 :D |
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| 13:08.29 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: do you think missing XDG_DATA_DIRS might be why you can't find data_dir()? |
| 13:09.10 | gnarface | if not, maybe it really just does care about the timestamp of the directory... |
| 13:09.23 | gnarface | ? |
| 13:09.26 | gnarface | just a guess |
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| 13:18.43 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface I don't know, I don't understand completely the code... I see both src_dir_path and target_dir_path seem to come from SystemConfiguration::instance(), but I'd expect them to be different from each other, so I think each time that instance() is called it returns a different object, or something like that. I was wondering whether each call to that method creates a new session, so initialises again the |
| 13:18.43 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.53 | Enrico_Menotti | It would be great if I could understand what this definition means: |
| 13:20.05 | Enrico_Menotti | auto detect_resource_path = [] () -> fs::path { *function definition* } |
| 13:21.46 | Enrico_Menotti | Seems to me this defines a function detect_resource_path(), which is indeed called later, but I don't know what the [] mean, nor whether the () are to be associated with the [] or with detect_resource_path. And what about the -> ? A pointer? Very confused. |
| 13:21.54 | Enrico_Menotti | (I should study some c++.) |
| 13:30.09 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: [] might be an empty array literal |
| 13:30.49 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface The syntax seems to be http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/lambda, (2). |
| 13:32.06 | gnarface | oh hmmm |
| 13:32.13 | gnarface | [] captures nothing |
| 13:32.14 | gnarface | interesting |
| 13:34.07 | Enrico_Menotti | However I don't understand the details. Even not the main concept. I'll try to find a tutorial. |
| 13:34.52 | gnarface | well a lambda function think of it more like a function literal |
| 13:35.08 | gnarface | that's clear enough, but this syntax is confusing to me too though |
| 13:35.34 | gnarface | fs::path is the return type? |
| 13:36.36 | gnarface | so detect_resource_path stores the function and fs::path is the object that is the return type expected |
| 13:36.38 | gnarface | i guess? |
| 13:37.58 | gnarface | i don't get what the good of [] capturing nothing though is exactly |
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| 13:56.34 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface https://www.cprogramming.com/c++11/c++11-lambda-closures.html says a bit more, although still not enugh basic for me - some concepts are implicit. What I understood is that yes, fs::path is the return type, which in the case of lambdas is postponed to the lambda def and separated from it by an arrow ->. detect_resource_path seems indeed to store the function. |
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| 14:03.16 | gnarface | i'm assuming that having a type of auto means it gets defined by the return type of the lambda |
| 14:03.27 | gnarface | or it inherits it or something |
| 14:05.22 | gnarface | fs::path must be the object it uses to represent a filesystem path i assume |
| 14:05.40 | gnarface | though this suggests that may not always be the return type |
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| 14:06.21 | gnarface | it might help to look for other definitions of "detect_resource_path" throughout the code |
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| 15:46.43 | solo | Hi I got some questions about devuan: |
| 15:46.43 | solo | 1) Is there a SecureBoot key to imort in UEFI |
| 15:46.43 | solo | 2) How can I disable sshd service? Like systemctl disable sshd.service && systemctl stop sshd.service |
| 15:46.43 | solo | 3) Is there a automatic update installation/notification feature? |
| 15:46.43 | solo | Thanks in advance. |
| 15:48.10 | Akuli | 2) sudo service sshd stop? i'm not sure about disabling, afaik the init just runs "filename start" for all executable files in /etc/init.d on startup |
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| 15:49.04 | Akuli | 3) there's probably some program that notifies you of new updates, i can't recommend anything because i don't use auto-updaters |
| 15:50.18 | Akuli | 2) i think you can "chmod -x /etc/init.d/sshd" if nobody has better ideas |
| 15:59.43 | nailyk | so my yesterday ipv6 speed problem was caused by known issues on some packages |
| 16:00.02 | nailyk | and by design debian/devuan have old version, not patched. Installing alpine linux solve it |
| 16:03.26 | solo | Akuli: ok thanks, gonna try that |
| 16:04.22 | Akuli | one of my favorite things about sysvinit is that it's incredebly simple |
| 16:04.48 | Akuli | it just runs everything in /etc/init.d and a bunch of gettys (or whatever you tell it to do in inittab(5)) |
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| 16:06.15 | fsmithred | solo, 'update-rc.d -f ssh remove' or else install sysv-rc-conf and run it. Uncheck all runlevels for ssh. |
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| 16:07.56 | solo | Could you explain "Uncheck all runlevels for ssh. " please? |
| 16:08.40 | fsmithred | use arrow keys to navigate, use space bar to check/uncheck |
| 16:08.57 | solo | ah ok thanks |
| 16:08.58 | fsmithred | actually, you only need to uncheck for runlevel 2 |
| 16:09.07 | fsmithred | since that's the default runlevel |
| 16:09.17 | solo | k |
| 16:09.26 | fsmithred | sysv-rc-conf is pretty obvious |
| 16:09.31 | fsmithred | use q to quit |
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| 16:40.26 | AntoFox | o/ |
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| 16:57.33 | Xenguy | o/ |
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| 18:20.52 | wifiProb | Hello my wifi doesn't work. lspci output: Network controller: Intel Corporation Device [8086:24fb] (rev 10) . Does somebody know how to fix this? |
| 18:24.45 | AlexLikeRock | are you migrate ? |
| 18:24.47 | AlexLikeRock | ferom debian |
| 18:24.51 | AlexLikeRock | from *** |
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| 18:25.55 | AlexLikeRock | wifiProb, |
| 18:26.00 | wifiProb | no |
| 18:26.25 | wifiProb | fresh devuan install on clean laptop |
| 18:29.00 | AlexLikeRock | open a terminal |
| 18:29.05 | AlexLikeRock | su |
| 18:29.18 | AlexLikeRock | (pasword***) |
| 18:29.35 | AlexLikeRock | # ifconfig |
| 18:30.08 | AlexLikeRock | copy and paste .... |
| 18:30.25 | AlexLikeRock | hir wifiProb http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:30.32 | AlexLikeRock | ther *** |
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| 18:34.56 | wifiProb | the output is eth0.... lo ... |
| 18:35.01 | wifiProb | no wlan0 |
| 18:39.05 | fsmithred | apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:39.13 | fsmithred | wifiProb, ^^^ |
| 18:39.29 | fsmithred | make sure you have contrib and non-free in your sources |
| 18:41.38 | wifiProb | gonna try that |
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| 18:48.50 | wifiProb | doesn't seems to work :/ |
| 18:49.04 | fsmithred | you just installed it now? |
| 18:49.11 | wifiProb | y |
| 18:49.18 | fsmithred | you using wicd? |
| 18:49.22 | wifiProb | should i reboot the system |
| 18:49.28 | fsmithred | maybe no need |
| 18:49.36 | fsmithred | lsmod |grep iwl |
| 18:49.57 | fsmithred | you refreshed wicd? |
| 18:50.47 | wifiProb | installing wicd |
| 18:50.55 | fsmithred | what are you using? |
| 18:51.07 | fsmithred | don't change because of my preference |
| 18:51.50 | wifiProb | i planned to install it |
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| 18:51.55 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:53.01 | wifiProb | it shows only the wired connection |
| 18:53.11 | fsmithred | lsmod (as above) |
| 18:53.17 | AlexLikeRock | one more time |
| 18:53.25 | AlexLikeRock | # ifconfig |
| 18:53.44 | wifiProb | lsmod no result |
| 18:54.01 | fsmithred | and ifconfig still shows the same? |
| 18:54.12 | wifiProb | ifconfig still no wlan0 |
| 18:54.52 | fsmithred | modprobe iwlwifi |
| 18:55.40 | fsmithred | try lsmod again |
| 18:56.03 | wifiProb | no output modprbe iwlwifi |
| 18:56.14 | wifiProb | y |
| 18:56.17 | fsmithred | is there a physical switch for the wireless on this laptop? |
| 18:56.21 | wifiProb | output |
| 18:56.26 | wifiProb | nope |
| 18:56.33 | fsmithred | oh, iwl3945? |
| 18:57.07 | wifiProb | iwlwifi 9657 0 |
| 18:57.10 | fsmithred | what output? |
| 18:57.34 | wifiProb | cfg 413828 1 iwlwifi |
| 18:57.35 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 18:57.39 | fsmithred | cool |
| 18:57.54 | fsmithred | open wicd (or refresh it) |
| 18:57.54 | wifiProb | cfg80211 * |
| 18:58.25 | wifiProb | no wireless networks found |
| 18:58.30 | fsmithred | ifconfig again |
| 18:59.03 | wifiProb | again only eth0 and lo |
| 18:59.37 | fsmithred | before you reboot, check that wicd is set to use wlan0 as wireless interface |
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| 19:00.03 | fsmithred | in wicd, on the top right is a little triangle that will give you a drop-down menu |
| 19:00.14 | fsmithred | go to preferences or settings, whatever it's called |
| 19:00.23 | wifiProb | y is |
| 19:00.41 | wifiProb | but added manually if thats important |
| 19:00.41 | fsmithred | ok, may as well try a reboot |
| 19:00.45 | fsmithred | no |
| 19:02.21 | fsmithred | brb |
| 19:06.15 | wifiProb | rebooted.ethernet cable disconnected. wicd: no wireless network found. ifconfig same |
| 19:07.22 | wifiProb | lsmod | grep iwl : no output |
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| 19:11.46 | Oldmoss | If relevant: Move the laptop as close as possible to router/hotspot? |
| 19:13.17 | wifiProb | i dont think thats the problem^^ |
| 19:21.47 | dvn- | look at dmesg |
| 19:22.14 | dvn- | grep for wifi, iwl, Radio respectively |
| 19:22.50 | wifiProb | kk |
| 19:22.57 | dvn- | also wlan0 |
| 19:24.19 | wifiProb | all no output :/ |
| 19:25.24 | dvn- | huh |
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| 19:25.37 | dvn- | if you just look through your dmesg output, do you see anything at all? |
| 19:26.32 | wifiProb | there is a lot |
| 19:26.54 | dvn- | dmesg | more |
| 19:28.24 | dvn- | for me, I see CPU coming up, then ATA, then network devices |
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| 19:29.23 | dvn- | do you know what the model of your wireless card is? |
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| 19:30.47 | wifiProb | This one i think Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 802.11 ac (1x1) WiFi + Bluetooth 4.2 Combo |
| 19:31.05 | dvn- | oh, I see |
| 19:31.38 | dvn- | afaik Intel AC chips are not well supported |
| 19:32.28 | wifiProb | Q_Q |
| 19:33.03 | dvn- | kind of a wrong way to say it - more like the linux wireless community hasn't had enough time to battle through intel's poor documentation and support |
| 19:33.03 | wifiProb | is this relevant from dmesg: platform MSFT0101:00: failed to claim resource 1 |
| 19:33.30 | dvn- | don't think so |
| 19:33.32 | wifiProb | acpi: MSFT0101:00: ylatform device creation failed: -16 |
| 19:34.05 | wifiProb | so i have to wait and hope? |
| 19:35.11 | dvn- | looks like intel did release firmware for linux kernel 4.2+ |
| 19:35.15 | dvn- | https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking/000005511.html |
| 19:35.39 | dvn- | intel's linux firmware is notorious for being buggy and garbage |
| 19:36.17 | wifiProb | k |
| 19:36.23 | wifiProb | xD |
| 19:36.40 | dvn- | so no guarantee, but you will need to upgrade your kernel, and try that firmware |
| 19:36.46 | wifiProb | (starting from firmware XX.XX.13.0 and kernel 4.1) |
| 19:37.14 | dvn- | yea |
| 19:37.32 | wifiProb | yeah, got to learn how to do that |
| 19:38.05 | dvn- | this might be helpful: https://codeyarns.com/2017/02/04/how-to-make-intel-wireless-ac-3165-work-in-ubuntu/ |
| 19:38.28 | dvn- | What device is this card in? |
| 19:38.35 | dvn- | i.e. laptop model |
| 19:39.19 | wifiProb | hp 250 g5 |
| 19:40.16 | wifiProb | will this work with devuan? |
| 19:40.27 | dvn- | I *believe* you can change out the wifi cards on those, without running into whitelisting problems |
| 19:42.21 | wifiProb | so much trouble for a new laptop .-. next time i buy something older |
| 19:43.30 | dvn- | yes, always a good idea :) |
| 19:46.04 | wifiProb | would a wifi usb stick work? |
| 19:46.35 | dvn- | yes |
| 19:47.01 | dvn- | Get something with an Qualcomm Atheros |
| 19:47.07 | dvn- | ath9k |
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| 20:06.39 | wifiProb | ok thanks for your help going to order one tomorrow, goodbye |
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| 20:49.29 | xkr47 | hi |
| 20:50.03 | xkr47 | I tried dowloading the source code for the kernel running on my system (3.16.0-4-amd64) |
| 20:50.19 | xkr47 | so: apt-get source linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 20:50.38 | xkr47 | but that results in |
| 20:50.40 | xkr47 | ... |
| 20:50.42 | xkr47 | Picking 'linux' as source package instead of 'linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64' |
| 20:50.42 | xkr47 | NOTICE: 'linux' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at: |
| 20:50.42 | xkr47 | https://anonscm.debian.org/git/kernel/linux.git |
| 20:50.44 | xkr47 | Skipping already downloaded file 'linux_3.16.43-2+deb8u5.dsc' |
| 20:50.47 | xkr47 | ... |
| 20:51.05 | xkr47 | so it doesn't get the source code for the currently running kernel but something elase |
| 20:51.20 | xkr47 | am I doing something wrong or any idea how to fix it? |
| 20:51.50 | xkr47 | is my 3.16.0-4 kernel the newest kernel in devuan? |
| 20:51.59 | xkr47 | or am I missing something? |
| 20:52.03 | fsmithred | it's the stock kernel for jessie |
| 20:52.12 | fsmithred | do you want to compile your own kernel? |
| 20:52.23 | fsmithred | or just need to compile some modules? |
| 20:52.24 | fromport | isn't there a newer kernel in backports available ? |
| 20:52.35 | xkr47 | I want to patch one driver to be able to get my special mouse to work properly |
| 20:52.38 | fsmithred | 4.9 in backports |
| 20:52.42 | xkr47 | (a module) |
| 20:52.49 | fsmithred | then you only need the headers |
| 20:52.59 | fsmithred | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 20:53.06 | xkr47 | the module is part of the kernel source |
| 20:53.19 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 20:54.06 | xkr47 | fsmithred, wouldn't mind a newer kernel.. can I enable some apt repo to get it ? |
| 20:54.15 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 20:54.19 | fsmithred | to get source... |
| 20:54.23 | fsmithred | apt-get install linux-source |
| 20:54.37 | xkr47 | hmm.. what's the diff to apt-get source <...> ? |
| 20:54.39 | fsmithred | to get 4.9 kernel, add (or uncomment) jessie-backports |
| 20:54.51 | fsmithred | linux-source is the name of a package |
| 20:54.57 | fsmithred | it's a metapackage |
| 20:55.28 | fsmithred | you could install linux-source-3.16, -4.9, -4.11 or -4.12 |
| 20:55.46 | fsmithred | well, forget those last two |
| 20:56.18 | fsmithred | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main |
| 20:56.23 | xkr47 | $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.list |
| 20:56.25 | fsmithred | add that to sources.list |
| 20:56.27 | xkr47 | # autogenerated by devuan-baseconf |
| 20:56.27 | xkr47 | # decomment following lines to enable the developers devuan repository |
| 20:56.27 | xkr47 | #deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan jessie main |
| 20:56.27 | xkr47 | #deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/devuan jessie main |
| 20:56.29 | fsmithred | update |
| 20:56.45 | xkr47 | ok.. I guess the old kernel will not be autoremoved? |
| 20:57.03 | fsmithred | uh, no. It will be in use when you install the newer kernel. |
| 20:57.19 | fsmithred | when you reboot, the newer kernel will be the default choice |
| 20:57.46 | xkr47 | do I need a deb-src line also ? |
| 20:57.52 | fsmithred | apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.9... linux-source-4.9 |
| 20:58.05 | fsmithred | hm, good question |
| 20:58.08 | fsmithred | probably not |
| 20:58.51 | xkr47 | yeah I didn't get any new packages automatically when enabling the jessie-backports |
| 20:59.05 | fsmithred | good |
| 20:59.38 | xkr47 | will I always have to use -t when installing the newer kernel ? |
| 20:59.52 | xkr47 | s/the/a/ |
| 21:00.00 | fsmithred | when installing from backports, you need to tell it to install from backports |
| 21:00.16 | fsmithred | not sure if upgrades will come automatically - I think they will |
| 21:00.21 | xkr47 | ugh |
| 21:00.28 | xkr47 | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 21:00.28 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.29 | fsmithred | upgrades/security updates |
| 21:00.31 | xkr47 | Suggested packages: |
| 21:00.33 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.36 | xkr47 | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 21:00.38 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.41 | xkr47 | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 21:00.43 | fsmithred | wtf? |
| 21:00.44 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.49 | xkr47 | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 21:00.52 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.20 | xkr47 | not to mention 50+ packages in the "autoremove" section |
| 21:01.30 | xkr47 | that normally don't appear when -t is not used |
| 21:01.32 | fsmithred | how did you get to this? |
| 21:01.58 | xkr47 | 1. add line you suggested to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/newer-kernel.list |
| 21:02.01 | xkr47 | 2. apt-get update |
| 21:02.03 | fsmithred | which kernel did you try to install? |
| 21:02.08 | xkr47 | 3. apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.9 |
| 21:02.13 | xkr47 | - |
| 21:02.14 | fsmithred | not quite |
| 21:02.20 | fsmithred | 4.9-something |
| 21:02.27 | fsmithred | pick one |
| 21:02.35 | xkr47 | well it seemed to have picked one for me heh |
| 21:02.46 | fsmithred | linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 21:03.03 | fsmithred | looks like it picked them all |
| 21:03.06 | xkr47 | ok list is shorter now |
| 21:03.18 | xkr47 | The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required: |
| 21:03.18 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.18 | xkr47 | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it. |
| 21:03.18 | xkr47 | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 21:03.18 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.20 | xkr47 | Suggested packages: |
| 21:03.23 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.25 | xkr47 | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 21:03.28 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.30 | xkr47 | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 21:03.33 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.42 | fsmithred | yeah, that looks about right |
| 21:03.54 | xkr47 | apparently apt-cache is able to "see" the jessie-backports packages even if they don't get updated by default |
| 21:04.08 | fsmithred | yes |
| 21:04.38 | xkr47 | hmm is it bad that it updates linux-base? |
| 21:04.45 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:04.49 | fsmithred | it's required |
| 21:04.50 | xkr47 | now I have 3.5 |
| 21:05.02 | xkr47 | I mean will the old kernel stop working with the newer linux-base? |
| 21:05.11 | fsmithred | no, the old kernel will still work |
| 21:05.20 | xkr47 | taking your word for it.. thx |
| 21:05.33 | fsmithred | I've done this a few times |
| 21:05.46 | xkr47 | welp, maybe I make a btrfs snapshot to be shure |
| 21:05.50 | fsmithred | this is not a new install? |
| 21:06.09 | fsmithred | backup can't hurt |
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| 21:06.49 | xkr47 | well used it for a month now |
| 21:06.50 | fsmithred | Mr. G! |
| 21:06.57 | xkr47 | ?-) |
| 21:07.27 | xkr47 | I'm running kxstudio on top of this, been working mostly great, some programs crash but can't be bothered to investigate right now :) |
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| 21:07.57 | fsmithred | kxstudio is audio editing? |
| 21:08.12 | xkr47 | yes lots of audio progrs, jack autoconfiguration etc |
| 21:08.30 | fsmithred | I should look at it some time |
| 21:08.48 | xkr47 | it's available as a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kxstudio.list |
| 21:09.03 | xkr47 | or well a few of them |
| 21:10.22 | AlexLikeRock_ | hi |
| 21:10.26 | fsmithred | hi |
| 21:10.30 | xkr47 | hi |
| 21:10.36 | AlexLikeRock_ | help to rename a PATH |
| 21:10.48 | xkr47 | thanks fsmithred for all the help so far, let's see if this thing still booots :) |
| 21:10.58 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:11.00 | fsmithred | it will |
| 21:11.07 | fsmithred | AlexLikeRock_, what path? |
| 21:12.38 | AlexLikeRock_ | echo " file:///home/user/Piratas del Caribe 5.mp4" >>>>TO >>> echo "/home/user/Piratas del Caribe 5.mp4" |
| 21:12.43 | AlexLikeRock_ | i need to remove : |
| 21:12.53 | AlexLikeRock_ | " file:// " |
| 21:13.32 | AlexLikeRock_ | in my scrip i have : |
| 21:13.36 | fsmithred | is this a line in a |
| 21:13.40 | fsmithred | yes, script |
| 21:13.47 | AlexLikeRock_ | " read fichero " |
| 21:14.08 | AlexLikeRock_ | but, i need remove " file:// " |
| 21:14.12 | fsmithred | where is the file:/// coming from? |
| 21:14.21 | AlexLikeRock_ | dolphin, |
| 21:14.27 | AlexLikeRock_ | on PC |
| 21:14.31 | AlexLikeRock_ | not WWW |
| 21:14.33 | AlexLikeRock_ | :) |
| 21:14.52 | fsmithred | can you paste the script somewhere? |
| 21:14.56 | xkr47 | I am back |
| 21:15.03 | AlexLikeRock_ | yes fsmithred |
| 21:15.04 | fsmithred | told you it would boot |
| 21:15.10 | AlexLikeRock_ | paste.debian.net |
| 21:15.13 | AlexLikeRock_ | wait .... |
| 21:15.18 | fsmithred | ok |
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| 21:16.18 | AlexLikeRock_ | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/33cead4e/ |
| 21:16.46 | xkr47 | fsmithred, :) |
| 21:17.08 | xkr47 | fsmithred, but now when I "apt-get install linux-source-4.9" it installs 4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1 |
| 21:17.19 | xkr47 | which is not 4.9.0-0.bpo.3 is it ? |
| 21:17.25 | xkr47 | or? |
| 21:17.50 | AlexLikeRock_ | fsmithred, the idea its click RIGTH from DOLPHIN copy and paste at KONSOLE |
| 21:18.04 | AlexLikeRock_ | and automatic delete "file://" |
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| 21:19.46 | fsmithred | dolphin puts the file:// onto the clipboard with the file name? |
| 21:20.57 | AlexLikeRock_ | yes |
| 21:23.24 | fsmithred | let me try something, and if it works, I'll show you |
| 21:25.02 | greenjeans | wow....KDE, still as .....'fun'...as it used to be I see.... |
| 21:25.28 | bozonius | apparently was sleeping when mirrors went offline? |
| 21:25.56 | bozonius | us.mirrors.devuan.org not pinging |
| 21:27.50 | bozonius | switches all references to us to auto ... |
| 21:28.07 | AlexLikeRock_ | i do fsmithred |
| 21:28.13 | AlexLikeRock_ | with this |
| 21:28.26 | bozonius | smiles upon devuan again ... |
| 21:29.10 | fsmithred | echo "$fichero" | sed 's_file://__' |
| 21:29.23 | fsmithred | that's two underscores at the end |
| 21:30.02 | fsmithred | or some-var=$(echo "$fichero" | sed 's_file://__') |
| 21:30.18 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.30 | AlexLikeRock_ | Daaaaaaaaaaam! |
| 21:30.43 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.58 | AlexLikeRock_ | this are my floating idea :-D |
| 21:31.39 | fsmithred | another approach might be to use 'find' to get the file names. |
| 21:32.38 | fsmithred | or use yad or zenity's file-chooser instead of dolphin |
| 21:33.05 | fsmithred | or even an options list in bash |
| 21:36.28 | greenjeans | or a good DE |
| 21:36.35 | bozonius | On Debian snapd is available as part of the testing (currently âstretchâ) and unstable (âsidâ) versions. It is currently not available in any stable version but will be soon. |
| 21:37.06 | bozonius | is snapd considered "good" by devuan devs? Or is this another misfire with good intentions? |
| 21:37.22 | bozonius | I won't use it if it gets thumbs down here |
| 21:37.39 | AlexLikeRock_ | tanks |
| 21:37.52 | greenjeans | @fsr: been playing with refracta2usb all weekend, it's addicting once you finish the short learning curve |
| 21:38.03 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:38.42 | greenjeans | i bricked a small stick screwing around with gparted though, hazard of the job, lol |
| 21:39.25 | fsmithred | can't zero it and start over? |
| 21:40.18 | AlexLikeRock_ | fsmithred, |
| 21:40.21 | greenjeans | nahh, tried that and even gparted livecd (which fixed another one) but no joy, no biggie, it was old and had been run hard |
| 21:40.21 | AlexLikeRock_ | fsmithred, |
| 21:40.40 | fsmithred | AlexLikeRock_, ? |
| 21:41.17 | AlexLikeRock_ | noting |
| 21:41.21 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.23 | fsmithred | select choice in /home/user/*.mp4 ; do some-command "$choice" ; done |
| 21:41.23 | AlexLikeRock_ | :) |
| 21:41.37 | AlexLikeRock_ | echo $fichero | rev | cut -d'/' -f-1 | rev |
| 21:43.28 | greenjeans | before I forget though, after choosing 'yes' to initiate syslinux install, all windows disappear until it's installed, so nothing to indicate it's actually working, first time I thought the program had died |
| 21:43.45 | greenjeans | takes a few minutes on a low-spec machine |
| 21:43.59 | greenjeans | to install syslinux on a stick |
| 21:44.09 | fsmithred | isn't there something in the terminal? |
| 21:44.24 | greenjeans | nope, it all goes bye-bye until syslinux is done installing |
| 21:44.29 | fsmithred | how low spec we talking? |
| 21:44.43 | greenjeans | second time I had a stick that had an LED to indicate activity |
| 21:44.52 | greenjeans | my main laptop |
| 21:45.00 | greenjeans | Compaq CQ58 |
| 21:45.10 | greenjeans | circa 2012-2013 or so |
| 21:45.12 | fsmithred | probably a slow usb stick |
| 21:45.42 | fsmithred | my main rig is 11 or 12 years old |
| 21:46.53 | greenjeans | so maybe a small window that stays up that says "Installing syslinux, please wait" |
| 21:48.06 | fsmithred | hang on |
| 21:48.34 | greenjeans | one other deal other than minor stuff, a couple of the secondary windows that came up as I was going through everything, appeared way too long vertically, they extended past the bottom of my screen and so I couldn't select the options at bottom (i.e. "quit task" etc.) |
| 21:49.06 | fsmithred | which version of yad are you using? |
| 21:49.18 | greenjeans | one sec |
| 21:52.10 | fsmithred | yeah, it doesn't say anything. I'll echo a message to the terminal. |
| 21:52.37 | fsmithred | maybe add --progress to the rsync |
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| 21:53.12 | fChanX | Hello |
| 21:53.41 | greenjeans | yad version is 0.37.0-1, haven't updated that lately, it was what was current in debian jessie |
| 21:53.45 | greenjeans | at the time |
| 21:53.53 | greenjeans | is it in Devuan repo yet? |
| 21:53.56 | greenjeans | haven't checked |
| 21:54.07 | fsmithred | no, there's no yad in jessie |
| 21:54.19 | fsmithred | but anyway, you got a gtk3 version |
| 21:55.22 | fsmithred | for jessie, you can use either 0.27 or this 0.38 - http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/extra_packages/ |
| 21:56.10 | fsmithred | brb, and no it's not in devuan jessie, either. It is in ascii/stretch, but it's gtk3, which causes the problem you have |
| 21:56.21 | greenjeans | ahh, makes sense now |
| 21:57.36 | greenjeans | downloading the 0.38 now |
| 21:57.51 | lime_ | how does devuan perform as a use case for a build server |
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| 21:58.26 | aitor | hi |
| 21:58.46 | lime_ | i always feel like thats the wrong question |
| 21:59.54 | aitor | fsmithred: what is fig29? http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/extra_packages/ |
| 21:59.58 | aitor | documentation? |
| 22:00.30 | aitor | there was a figos documentation in refracta |
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| 22:01.02 | bozonius | once again, I am unable to access the mirrors... |
| 22:01.38 | fsmithred | aitor, fig is a programming language written by figleafdev/figosdev |
| 22:01.51 | fsmithred | an educational language |
| 22:01.53 | bozonius | unknown host auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 22:02.01 | bozonius | (was working 10 minutes ago...) |
| 22:02.11 | aitor | yes, i know, i read it |
| 22:02.22 | greenjeans | refracta2usb.conf line #3, program also tests for pluma ;) <<<virgo moment |
| 22:02.41 | fsmithred | lol, you instigated that |
| 22:03.06 | fsmithred | bozonius, it's working here |
| 22:03.16 | bozonius | wait, let me try again... |
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| 22:03.21 | fsmithred | using auto.mirror and I am in US |
| 22:03.33 | aitor | then, figleafdev and figosdev are the same person |
| 22:03.55 | fsmithred | yes |
| 22:03.56 | bozonius | using auto.mirror and I am in US also |
| 22:03.57 | greenjeans | you know I may actually be running 0.38 yad, have the .debs but can't remember if I updated the newer iso's, gotta go check |
| 22:04.06 | bozonius | (I think it is the same US, lol) |
| 22:04.17 | fsmithred | yad --version |
| 22:04.24 | bozonius | after updating to auto from us, it worked... briefly |
| 22:04.41 | bozonius | I'll try changing my dns servers... |
| 22:04.42 | greenjeans | don't have yad on this partition |
| 22:05.00 | fsmithred | chroot it |
| 22:05.20 | greenjeans | nope, it's still 0.37, will update that tonight, thanks for mentioning that |
| 22:05.34 | greenjeans | i need to check for updates to a couple more things that aren't repo items |
| 22:05.44 | greenjeans | palemoon too |
| 22:05.47 | bozonius | now it's working again (and I never changed my dns config even) |
| 22:06.21 | fsmithred | sounding a bit like a twilight zone episode |
| 22:12.07 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface After a long search, and much c++ learning, I have found something strange in the command which tries to mount Android's directories: https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/cmds/container_manager.cpp#L203. |
| 22:12.56 | Enrico_Menotti | This in turn calls https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/df774db4a8e1f0b59b4de6e61a71e3c209b66d53/src/anbox/common/mount_entry.cpp#L36. |
| 22:13.44 | Enrico_Menotti | So one ends up to <sys/mount.h>, right? |
| 22:15.40 | Enrico_Menotti | Now I have looked at the manual for the latter: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/mount.2.html. There, in section "Changing the propagation type of an existing mount", they say "The only flags that can be used with changing the propagation type |
| 22:15.40 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.57 | Enrico_Menotti | In the end, I see that in anbox mount() is called with MS_BIND and MS_PRIVATE at the same time, and if I got it right according to the manual this is not permitted. |
| 22:17.52 | Enrico_Menotti | Tomorrow I'll try to drop the MS_PRIVATE to see what happens. Meanwhile, if anyone has a comment, please let me know. |
| 22:18.06 | bozonius | or maybe that movie "gaslight" |
| 22:19.24 | bozonius | what is the deal with xcb -- Shotcut fails to load with an erorr about missing xcb module? |
| 22:19.40 | bozonius | libx11-xcb1 is installed |
| 22:20.53 | bozonius | "This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" |
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| 22:22.00 | greenjeans | hi aitor |
| 22:23.42 | greenjeans | anyhoo, @ FSR: I love the swiss-army knife! But still wondering if a "simple installation" option/version would have merit |
| 22:23.51 | AlexLikeRock_ | fsmithred, |
| 22:23.53 | AlexLikeRock_ | help |
| 22:23.55 | greenjeans | like you have with Refracta-Installer |
| 22:24.20 | aitor | hi, greenjeans |
| 22:24.35 | g4570n | hi aitor |
| 22:24.46 | greenjeans | plug a stick in and have it do all the things with only a couple questions (i.e. only essentials, like where the chosen iso is) |
| 22:25.51 | greenjeans | have it zero. format two partitions, install, and spit out a working livusb with /home persisitence |
| 22:29.38 | greenjeans | Rare group photo of the VUA's : https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w780/GtodNrQnorVd3Gv6f6i4bdEwkP.jpg |
| 22:30.37 | bozonius | no mountain climbing boots, no long gray beards ... I think this is photoshopped |
| 22:30.53 | greenjeans | 2nd from the right is Katolaz, you can tell cause he's got that " *%*%*&^ your feature request" look in his eyes.... |
| 22:30.58 | greenjeans | ;) |
| 22:31.18 | greenjeans | far right is parazyd, don't mess with him.... |
| 22:33.29 | greenjeans | http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/ragnarok_online_conceptart_EmE0H.jpg <<< Golinux |
| 22:34.38 | greenjeans | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ur0KsQk0zpQ/VZ1fozJEcwI/AAAAAAAAI2Q/eATcDY7YWQU/s1600/deadpool1.jpg <<<<FSR |
| 22:35.33 | MinceR | Futuristic Sex Robotz! |
| 22:39.07 | fsmithred | Alex, come back |
| 22:40.08 | fsmithred | greenjeans, I don't think I could decide which installation method would be the default. |
| 22:41.13 | fsmithred | there are four choices. Two of the assume you're currently in a live session. |
| 22:41.34 | greenjeans | i know what you mean FSR, and i am still wrestling with wondering if anybody BUT a very dedicated computer user would use a liveusb anyway...so my idea may be crap on multiple fronts |
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| 22:41.51 | greenjeans | but dang, it's so cool |
| 22:42.19 | greenjeans | liveusb session runs faster than a regular session on my machine |
| 22:42.25 | fsmithred | that's dzz's brainchild. |
| 22:42.27 | greenjeans | so many different options too |
| 22:42.41 | fsmithred | I added some options. |
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| 22:42.58 | fsmithred | and got the menu generation to work. |
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| 22:43.00 | greenjeans | I have one doing dual duty, it's also being used for my mp3 source in my truck |
| 22:43.29 | fsmithred | I don't suppose the truck will boot from usb |
| 22:44.00 | greenjeans | as far as a default option for the simple version, I think plain livusb with a persistent home is the way to go |
| 22:45.22 | fsmithred | I don't do automatic partitioning |
| 22:45.24 | greenjeans | actually I can start my truck with a liveusb, i'm a mechanic and a 12-volt tech too, I have wife's jeep set up so she can start it remotely with her phone |
| 22:45.55 | fsmithred | she needs a Devuan Inside bumper sticker |
| 22:46.43 | fsmithred | we should not continue to stray off-topic here |
| 22:47.03 | greenjeans | automatic partitioning: I can understand your unwillingness, but in this use-case scenario we are talking about someone with a 5-dollah stick that just wants a quickie portable OS |
| 22:48.43 | greenjeans | so they get the simple decisive option, if they want different they can use the "expert installation" choice |
| 22:49.04 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 22:49.28 | fsmithred | you're not the first to ask for that |
| 22:50.38 | greenjeans | oh I figured as much, and i'll only bug you this one time about it....mostly... |
| 22:50.47 | greenjeans | hehehe |
| 22:51.04 | fsmithred | not a problem |
| 22:51.25 | greenjeans | super cool little program, you and dzzz have done great work |
| 22:53.28 | greenjeans | I just need to make it work for my lil ol auntie, who's always a little offput by "too danged many checkboxes boy, how am I supposed to know what all that blather is about?", lol |
| 22:53.58 | fsmithred | oh, no, you just need to prepare it for her. She can plug it in and press the power button. |
| 22:54.04 | greenjeans | okay, gotta run, have a great evening all, thanks FSR! |
| 22:54.09 | fsmithred | bye |
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