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| 00:46.47 | Xenguy | .oO( https FTW ! ) |
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| 06:29.40 | JC_Denton | hey guys, love the lack of systemd, but honest question: why does the security page list no vulnerabilities when there have been several vulnerabilities in jessie packages? |
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| 07:18.58 | gnarface | seems like a good question |
| 07:20.39 | Hum | JC_Denton: Maybe to less manpower? |
| 07:30.46 | JC_Denton | maybe |
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| 08:09.51 | gnarface | JC_Denton: my best guess to the justification other than lack of manpower is just that probably none of the packages *native to devuan* have any known vulnerabilities yet, which is highly believable when you consider there is only two of them (https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/native-to-devuan) |
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| 08:30.32 | Hum | Could this information be available at the security page? (which page is it?) |
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| 14:33.12 | saptech | hey all |
| 14:33.46 | saptech | does anyone know if there is a text editor that will save files with the date added to the saved filename? |
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| 14:37.41 | gnarface | saptech: google suggests emacs can be made to do it |
| 14:38.49 | saptech | ok, thanks for thatr |
| 14:38.55 | saptech | *that |
| 14:39.22 | gnarface | https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/14673/emacs-function-to-make-a-file-with-date-time-as-filename-and-a-shortcut-for-it |
| 14:39.27 | gnarface | this one looks like it should be legit |
| 14:40.06 | gnarface | but it's 2015 so i don't know if some stock functionality has been added since then |
| 14:40.41 | saptech | I guess I could create a script to do with an editor, such as mousepad or any editor, you think? |
| 14:41.06 | gnarface | yes |
| 14:42.08 | saptech | I'll make it my weekend project |
| 14:42.13 | saptech | thanks |
| 14:43.17 | gnarface | you do not have to use emacs for this |
| 14:43.25 | gnarface | you could make a bash script to rename files too |
| 14:45.13 | saptech | right. good idea...i'm not too good with scripts but I'm going to look into it |
| 14:46.40 | muep | it sounds a bit like something where it would also be more common to just use some form of version control |
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| 14:54.10 | gnarface | i like the datestamps in the names too, that's handy for some stuff |
| 14:54.38 | gnarface | i just use bash typically |
| 14:55.35 | saptech | yep, I need it for certain situations and I usually just add it when I save the files |
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| 14:57.22 | saptech | I found this cmd, mv TheFile.log TheFile.log.`date +"%d-%m-%Y"`, I could start with my script |
| 14:57.39 | gnarface | yea, that's more or less the way i do it |
| 14:58.10 | fsr | you can easily add hour:minute:second to that |
| 14:58.22 | saptech | I need more script practice anyway...lol |
| 14:58.35 | gnarface | TIMESTAMP=`date "+%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S"` |
| 14:59.26 | saptech | OK |
| 14:59.39 | fsr | newfilename="$filename_$TIMESTAMP" |
| 15:03.50 | saptech | TIMESTAMP & newfilename will be variables, correct? |
| 15:05.04 | fsr | yes |
| 15:05.10 | fsr | there may be other ways to do it |
| 15:05.16 | fsr | like maybe 10 other ways |
| 15:08.19 | saptech | true |
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| 15:17.24 | fsr | you don't actually have to set newfilename as a variable |
| 15:17.45 | fsr | mv $filename $filename_$timestamp |
| 15:18.04 | fsr | oh, if you have extensions, it gets more complicated |
| 15:18.16 | fsr | get to know sed |
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| 15:19.36 | AntoFox | o/ all |
| 15:20.05 | AntoFox | mate are now 1.18.1 |
| 15:20.22 | AntoFox | : |
| 15:20.24 | AntoFox | :) |
| 15:21.14 | AntoFox | Cinnamon is the version 3.2 |
| 15:24.58 | saptech | fsr, I usually add the .txt extention to the filenames |
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| 15:36.46 | fsr | saptech, look at the rename command, too |
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| 16:00.31 | blap | funny being that age when the kids are remaking 80s synthpop |
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| 16:18.14 | system16 | hi |
| 16:18.53 | system16 | i had to force shutdown my server because it hanged on me...this wont damage things right ? |
| 16:19.10 | fsr | how did you force it? |
| 16:19.45 | system16 | holding power botton |
| 16:19.50 | fsr | ouch |
| 16:19.58 | fsr | might be bad, might no |
| 16:19.59 | fsr | t |
| 16:20.10 | fsr | next time use sysrq keys |
| 16:20.14 | jonadab | The biggest danger is filesystem corruption. |
| 16:20.18 | system16 | use wat ? |
| 16:20.34 | system16 | well how can i check that ? |
| 16:20.52 | fsr | alt-prtscr-r alt-prtscrn-s ..u ..b |
| 16:20.52 | jonadab | system16: fsck |
| 16:21.11 | fsr | look up magic sysrq keys |
| 16:21.28 | jonadab | Well, fsck only checks for internal inconsistency in the filesystem. Lesser data loss, as from writes that had been cached but not written yet, you'd have to check for on a case-by-case basis. |
| 16:21.47 | fsr | R-E-I-S-U-B (except E and I don't work anymore) |
| 16:22.12 | system16 | jonadab, it said : /dev/sda1 is mounted cannot continue aborting |
| 16:22.26 | system16 | something like that |
| 16:22.29 | jonadab | system16: Right, you can't fsck a mounted filesystem really. |
| 16:22.45 | jonadab | If it's journaled, you probably don't need to anyway. |
| 16:22.52 | fsr | if the database is not on the root filesystem, drop to runlevel 1 and unmount it |
| 16:23.01 | fsr | and what jonadab just said, too |
| 16:23.09 | system16 | looks like i didnt damage a thing |
| 16:23.11 | Walex | system16: as "jonadb" says, even if some filesystem types do or might be 'fsck'ed while mo |
| 16:23.15 | Walex | unted. |
| 16:23.31 | system16 | well im running devuan with no DE |
| 16:23.57 | system16 | ok then...how can i shut it down when its hanging ?? |
| 16:23.58 | jonadab | Was anything writing important data during or shortly before the hang? |
| 16:24.03 | Walex | system16: abrupt crashes can cause trouble but not real damage if "barriers" are enabled. |
| 16:24.07 | jonadab | If not, you're _probably_ just fine. |
| 16:24.21 | fsr | use sysrq keys to shut dow when hanging |
| 16:24.22 | jonadab | system16: Depends on the details of how it's hanging. |
| 16:24.23 | Walex | system16: there are things called "Alt-SysRq" codes |
| 16:24.24 | system16 | no it was showing a - |
| 16:24.46 | fsr | couldn't get to another tty? |
| 16:24.50 | Walex | system16: they allow shutting down a semi-frozen system more gracefully |
| 16:24.57 | system16 | i turned it on but after a while it was showing a - |
| 16:25.09 | system16 | and nothing else |
| 16:25.18 | fsr | alt-F2 to get to tty2 where you should be able to log in |
| 16:25.31 | fsr | or log in from another machine through ssh |
| 16:25.42 | fsr | if all that fails, then power button |
| 16:25.44 | fsr | and pray |
| 16:25.51 | system16 | so it wasnt hanging ? |
| 16:25.58 | Walex | system16: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses |
| 16:26.18 | Walex | system16: we don't know whether it was frozen or to what degree. |
| 16:26.40 | Walex | system16: in general an abrupt stop should not be a problem, especially if there are few writes going on. |
| 16:26.54 | system16 | i was reading about "a terminal session is always running in background" how can i use that |
| 16:27.06 | Walex | system16: there might be problems in case "barriers" are broken. |
| 16:27.32 | system16 | come on...i had to force shut down in windows many times but nothing bad happened |
| 16:27.59 | system16 | barriers....can i check them ? |
| 16:28.15 | fsr | I've used the power button many times, and only a couple of times has there been a problem |
| 16:29.25 | system16 | so i should type REISUB when it hangs ? |
| 16:29.29 | fsr | no |
| 16:29.34 | system16 | then wat |
| 16:29.51 | fsr | magic sysrq |
| 16:29.54 | system16 | CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ ? |
| 16:30.06 | fsr | try google magic sysrq |
| 16:30.13 | fsr | you can see the whole set of codes |
| 16:30.32 | fsr | alt-prntscrn-k will kill you X-session, for instance |
| 16:31.29 | fsr | or scroll up to what I said earlier alt-prtscr-r... |
| 16:32.00 | furrywolf | has never managed to make magic sysrq work |
| 16:32.51 | fsr | must be hard with paws |
| 16:33.37 | furrywolf | yes! finally, someone understands! we need to make linux accessible to everyone, including those with big paws! |
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| 16:34.06 | fsr | dragon speaking naturally |
| 16:34.20 | fsr | although I don't think the linux version has been maintained |
| 16:37.07 | furrywolf | I don't think it has enough access to pull off a magic sysrq. :) |
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| 16:44.29 | system16 | i have |
| 16:44.36 | system16 | i am as root |
| 16:45.17 | system16 | ffs just tell me a shortcut to how to shutdown my server |
| 16:45.22 | fsr | I think she meant to software I mentioned |
| 16:45.32 | fsr | I already did |
| 16:46.05 | fsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.17 | fsr | hold down alt-prtscr and type r |
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| 16:46.26 | fsr | hold down alt-prtscr and type s |
| 16:46.32 | fsr | do the same with u and b |
| 16:46.35 | system16 | k thanks |
| 16:46.38 | fsr | you don't need to be root |
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| 16:46.47 | system16 | all of them work right ? |
| 16:46.53 | fsr | E and I don't work |
| 16:47.04 | fsr | some others don't work |
| 16:47.09 | fsr | there's a long list |
| 16:47.21 | fsr | if you want them all (except the ones that still won't work) |
| 16:47.39 | fsr | echo "kernel.sysrq=1" >> /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 16:47.46 | fsr | and make sure you use a double >> |
| 16:48.02 | system16 | eh |
| 16:48.03 | fsr | ou want to append the file, not replace it |
| 16:48.17 | fsr | or manually edit the file to add that line |
| 16:48.18 | system16 | i will use alt-prtscr cause its simple |
| 16:48.26 | fsr | it will take effect next reboot |
| 16:48.49 | fsr | I'm not telling you an alternate way to shut down, I'm telling you how to enable more sysrq keys |
| 16:48.59 | fsr | if you look it up, you can find a long list of codes |
| 16:49.01 | system16 | oh |
| 16:49.03 | system16 | dont |
| 16:49.11 | system16 | r or s is fine |
| 16:51.56 | fsr | then u to unmount filesystems - that one is imortant to do before the b (reboot) |
| 16:54.13 | system16 | which one is for shutdown ? h ? btw i cant do a thing when it freezes lol |
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| 17:02.30 | golinux | system16: All you need is keyboard |
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| 17:04.15 | system16 | lol |
| 17:04.18 | system16 | ok |
| 17:04.37 | system16 | h is for shutdown right ? |
| 17:05.53 | system16 | alt-prtscr h ? |
| 17:06.52 | golinux | http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/sysrq.htm |
| 17:08.44 | system16 | ok |
| 17:09.13 | system16 | so activating that sysrq wont harm my server in any means right ? |
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| 17:17.39 | fsr | just learned a new one |
| 17:17.57 | fsr | oops. alt-prtscr-o to shut down |
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| 17:57.10 | redrick | Upstream kernel docs: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/admin-guide/sysrq.rst |
| 17:58.03 | redrick | (Might be useful if this 'Torvalds' guy knows anything about the kernel. |
| 17:58.39 | redrick | Eek, I left you in an unclosed parenthesis. Saved!) |
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| 18:00.12 | redrick | Prettyprinted version: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysrq.html |
| 18:01.41 | system16 | alt+sysrq+o worked !!! |
| 18:03.00 | blap | i should enable sysrq |
| 18:03.09 | system16 | is this safe ? |
| 18:03.25 | system16 | is it better than holding down power botton ? |
| 18:03.34 | golinux | YES |
| 18:03.40 | blap | it lets you do some things wit hung system |
| 18:05.11 | s\lver_ | Way safer than pulling power, by a lot. You might even boot back up with a clean filesystem! |
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| 18:09.54 | redrick | And store a cheatsheet printout near the server. |
| 18:09.56 | fsr | alt-sysrq-o shut my computer down, but there were orphaned inodes afterward |
| 18:10.11 | fsr | I don't think u worked - got no feedback |
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| 18:10.21 | fsr | will have to try on the desktop box when I get back home |
| 18:11.00 | fsr | I generally just use b to reboot, and if I want to shut it off , I use the power button when the grub menu comes up of after it finishes POST |
| 18:11.45 | blap | i use 'shutdown -h now' |
| 18:11.57 | fsr | not when it's locked up, you don't |
| 18:12.05 | blap | oh yeah that doesn't happen |
| 18:12.25 | fsr | start doing experimental installations |
| 18:12.34 | blap | heh |
| 18:12.57 | redrick | fsr: Before doing alt-sysrq-o, you could do the 'i' (SIGKILL non-init processes) and 's' (sync mounted filesystems. |
| 18:13.12 | fsr | E and I no longer work |
| 18:13.29 | fsr | R-S-U-B usually works for me (always works at home) |
| 18:14.20 | fsr | I tried R-S-U-O but got no feedback from any |
| 18:14.33 | fsr | usually S and U tell me what they're doing |
| 18:17.27 | s\lver_ | I usually do rseiub |
| 18:17.36 | s\lver_ | and it reboots immediately on b |
| 18:18.36 | fsr | you don't get a message with e and i that says they don't do anything? |
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| 18:20.01 | system16 | wats the difference between sysrq and reiub |
| 18:20.10 | fsr | nothing |
| 18:20.38 | fsr | just the s is sooner |
| 18:20.56 | fsr | sooner than in reisub |
| 18:22.10 | fsr | system16, did you get it to work? |
| 18:23.33 | system16 | yes |
| 18:26.48 | system16 | sysrq works even when im not root ? |
| 18:26.58 | fsr | yes |
| 18:29.34 | fsr | bbiab |
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| 18:32.34 | s\lver_ | sysrq+r tells the kernel to start listening for raw commands from the keyboard I believe. |
| 18:33.08 | s\lver_ | everything after that is a command. send kills to processes, remount fs read only, flush disks, reboot. |
| 18:34.43 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.02 | system16 | *file system |
| 18:36.47 | s\lver_ | no that is very good |
| 18:37.01 | s\lver_ | it means programs cannot write to it. That is what you want when you are about to reboot. |
| 18:38.15 | system16 | so i should type u before typing o ? |
| 18:38.51 | system16 | i use shutdown -h now or shutdown -r now when my server is working... |
| 18:41.41 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. While trying to run anbox on Devuan (on my old x86 laptop), I ended up with libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate, and further indications about where this error was triggered. In the code, there's a comment which says that initialisation fails if a couple of egl extensions are missing - in particular, EGL_KHR_gl_texture_2d_image. By running anbox system-info, I get a list of available egl extensions, |
| 18:41.41 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.41 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:46.22 | greenjeans | sourceforge still down? man i just can't get a break with regard to places that host my files |
| 18:52.05 | golinux | greenjeans: You're in good form today. Saw your post on d1g |
| 18:52.10 | fsr | greenjeans, do you get anything when you try shell access? |
| 18:53.17 | greenjeans | nope |
| 18:53.34 | greenjeans | nothing but errors, wonder what's going on with them? |
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| 18:54.01 | fsr | oh, I'm getting "connection refused" now. Got nothing earlier today, and yesterday I got "too many connection attempts" |
| 18:54.16 | fsr | but I could still access through web browser |
| 18:54.24 | fsr | that may have been day before yesterday |
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| 18:54.58 | greenjeans | their front page is up since yesterday but nothing else |
| 18:55.08 | fsr | I thought it was my fault - I accidentally posted a password here, so I figured that someone tried to get into my account |
| 18:55.15 | fsr | but I guess not |
| 18:55.22 | fsr | (it wasn't the right password) |
| 18:55.39 | greenjeans | hey thanks for the solution BTW with regard to my bad copy of Yad, loaded yours and works great now! |
| 18:55.49 | fsr | :) |
| 18:56.01 | fsr | gtk3 is evil (or stupid) |
| 18:56.37 | greenjeans | updated that and Palemoon and fixed a couple more bugs, now have a couple new isos to upload but no joy with sourceforge today looks like |
| 18:57.02 | greenjeans | gtk3 is a mess, saw that coming |
| 18:57.56 | fsr | brb |
| 19:04.30 | fsr | b |
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| 19:08.05 | redrick | https://sourceforge.net/ loads |
| 19:09.05 | redrick | It's not my fault, any more, not even owned any more by the company I used to work for. (Yay, alibis!) |
| 19:12.54 | redrick | fsr: gtk is _chaotic_ evil. http://jp12.r0tt.com/l_32de5e60-82ce-11e2-89b1-45c371b00012.jpg |
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| 19:15.51 | fsr | shell access still refused |
| 19:17.10 | redrick | fsr: Man, you're right, project pages don't load. That's... sad. |
| 19:19.50 | redrick | ISTR Geeknet, Inc. of Virginia inherited sourceforge.net. Long-term (if they have one), the real question is what's the revenue model? |
| 19:21.30 | redrick | http://sourceforge.net/blog/ , normally the status blog, currently redirects to a 404 handler saying 'temporarily in static offline mode'. Have a nice day, etc. |
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| 19:25.28 | fsr | are they the ones responsible for that stupid popup banner that asks if I want the newsletter that I already get? |
| 19:27.30 | golinux | AdBlock it! |
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| 19:29.51 | fsr | I'd rather not use adblock |
| 19:30.09 | fsr | for philosophical reasons - ads are ok; they give us free internet |
| 19:30.19 | fsr | flashy annoying adds are not ok |
| 19:30.33 | fsr | and allowing strangers to run code on my machine is not ok, so I use noscript |
| 19:30.45 | fsr | and that gets rid of most of the ads |
| 19:38.46 | greenjeans | well the whole ad game suffered a major blow recently when a large company pulled all their ads and their sales didn't go down, can't remember now who it was... |
| 19:39.13 | greenjeans | I think a whole lotta ads are going bye-bye anyway soon as a result |
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| 20:00.00 | devuan | I use devuan jessie with openbox and my sound (alsa/oss) isnt working. |
| 20:00.11 | devuan | When I open mpv with a song I get this error: |
| 20:00.24 | devuan | [ao/alsa] Playback open error: No such file or directory |
| 20:00.37 | devuan | [ao/oss] Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 20:00.51 | devuan | I already tried to install the oss-compat package. |
| 20:01.01 | blap | mpv shouldn't need oss |
| 20:01.06 | blap | try aplay -l |
| 20:01.10 | blap | to show your alsa devices |
| 20:02.25 | devuan | http://paste.debian.net/988064/ |
| 20:02.41 | gnarface | i think mpv is configured to use oss by default, i recall other people complaining. there's some configuration you can change to alsa though |
| 20:04.50 | devuan | any workaround? |
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| 20:07.53 | gnarface | just change the file, i don't know where it is (i don't use it) |
| 20:09.24 | s\lver_ | Where did you get the mpv package? |
| 20:10.32 | fsr | does file name have spaces in it? |
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| 20:10.51 | gnarface | some googling suggests to me the command-line option for it is --audio-device=alsa/default |
| 20:11.14 | gnarface | or something similar |
| 20:11.47 | gnarface | `mpv --audio-device=help` to list available audio devices. alsa may have more than one |
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| 20:12.24 | fsr | hm, /dev/dsp does not exist here, either, and my sound works |
| 20:12.40 | s\lver_ | that was oss only. |
| 20:12.44 | fsr | time to change laptops. bye. |
| 20:12.49 | s\lver_ | oss is usually not available anymore |
| 20:12.52 | gnarface | there is an alsa-oss package that contains a transparent alsa->oss wrapper |
| 20:13.00 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Hello. A few days ago we were talking about anbox, right? I made some progress. Now I'm struggling with the graphics. If you'd like to, please read what I have written here one hour and a half ago. |
| 20:13.00 | s\lver_ | the wrapper is a good idea |
| 20:13.03 | gnarface | it's useful to have |
| 20:13.05 | s\lver_ | it's aoss I think. |
| 20:13.12 | xkr47 | you people use keybase? :) |
| 20:13.23 | blap | yeah but i think he stumbled on some ancient online linux docs |
| 20:13.51 | blap | i still run oss stuff once in a while, but I'm weird |
| 20:14.08 | xkr47 | echo LOL > /dev/dsp |
| 20:14.46 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: i can't give you a specific fix, but i can tell you that you're right that mesa is just an implementation |
| 20:15.36 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface So the problem is to find out whether Mesa implements those extensions, right? |
| 20:16.10 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: well it seems like you have already discovered that. now it's just a question of whether a newer mesa might help, or if there's a problem with the driver... |
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| 20:17.09 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: what version of mesa is it? |
| 20:17.14 | devuan | after adding ao=alsa to my mpv.conf i get this error |
| 20:17.23 | devuan | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1022:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 20:17.29 | devuan | [ao/alsa] Playback open error: No such file or directory |
| 20:17.35 | devuan | [ao] Failed to initialize audio driver 'alsa' |
| 20:17.41 | devuan | Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
| 20:17.41 | gnarface | interesting |
| 20:17.49 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Ah the driver. I suspected that. I'm working on a very old laptop with a Savage video card. May be very well there's no driver for dri2. |
| 20:18.05 | Enrico_Menotti | The Mesa version... a moment. |
| 20:18.33 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface libegl1-mesa: Installed: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 |
| 20:19.00 | xkr47 | hmm dmix.. |
| 20:19.22 | xkr47 | do you have pulseaudio ? |
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| 20:20.08 | xkr47 | or do you run dmix? or neither? |
| 20:20.55 | devuan | my laptop is also a bit old |
| 20:21.13 | xkr47 | 2010? 2005? 2000? |
| 20:21.14 | devuan | on debian jessie with pulseaudio my sound works |
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| 20:21.25 | devuan | ca. 2010 |
| 20:21.47 | devuan | around 2010* |
| 20:22.18 | xkr47 | that's not very old ;) |
| 20:23.44 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: well, there is a newer one in jessie-backports, but there should also be someplace you can find out whether the extension in question is implemented without having to install it to find out |
| 20:23.53 | devuan | yeah, you are right but the sound then also should work with pure alsa/oss ootb but it doesnt :/ |
| 20:24.11 | xkr47 | hmm |
| 20:24.54 | gnarface | devuan: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav |
| 20:25.10 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Yes, in fact I'm trying to find that out. But from some googling I haven't been able to locate such a place. |
| 20:25.34 | devuan | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1022:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 20:26.00 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: 10.x is ancient |
| 20:28.36 | xkr47 | devuan, any messages printed before that? |
| 20:29.14 | gnarface | devuan: could be a basic permission error. did you remember to add yourself to the audio group? |
| 20:29.26 | xkr47 | gnarface, good point |
| 20:29.36 | devuan | http://paste.debian.net/988067/ |
| 20:29.55 | xkr47 | devuan, ls -l /dev/snd/ |
| 20:30.19 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Consider that I have libgl1-mesa-dri: Installed: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1. There, no driver for my Savage card. I had to get it manually from version 7.7.1-6_i386. That removed an error I had previously, but may very well be that this driver does not support egl (in fact, the package is libgl, not libegl). I wonder whether my hardware even allows egl at all. |
| 20:30.35 | devuan | yes, iam already in the audio group |
| 20:31.02 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: oh, i guess that might be in question too, i dunno |
| 20:31.38 | devuan | xkr47, http://paste.debian.net/988068/ |
| 20:32.31 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Actually, I'm trying to find a newer spare computer for playing with Linux experiments. But I'd like to get a used machine, for few money. However, that needs some time. |
| 20:33.48 | gnarface | i thought egl was for mobile devices? |
| 20:34.08 | gnarface | i seem to have libegl1-mesa and libegl1-nvidia both installed here |
| 20:35.00 | xkr47 | devuan, do you want to use "HD-Audio Generic" or "HDA ATI SB"? |
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| 20:36.03 | devuan | xkr47, the last one |
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| 20:38.28 | xkr47 | what does this say: aplay -L | grep -A 2 \^default |
| 20:42.56 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface I think the most reliable source about egl is https://www.khronos.org/egl. There's no mention of mobile devices there, at first sight. And I still don't get the meaning of the acronym "egl"... :P |
| 20:44.14 | xkr47 | devuan, strace -eopen speaker-test -c 2 -t wav |
| 20:44.24 | xkr47 | devuan, sudo apt-get install strace |
| 20:45.35 | devuan | xkr47, http://paste.debian.net/988075/ |
| 20:46.22 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Looking around, I also found https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Glamor/. I wonder whether that may be useful to run over gl instead of egl (whatever that means, I don't get the details of this mess). |
| 20:47.52 | devuan | xkr47, http://paste.debian.net/988076/ |
| 20:48.29 | xkr47 | ok the line before the "unable to open slave" says: open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", |
| 20:48.34 | xkr47 | so it's trying to open card 0, device 0 |
| 20:48.53 | xkr47 | which you don't have |
| 20:49.08 | xkr47 | from the ls -l output earlier you have card 0 device 3, card 1 device 0 |
| 20:49.38 | xkr47 | try: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav -D hw:CARD=SB,DEV=0 |
| 20:49.53 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: oh, yea you probably want to enable glamor if you can... that might also require hardware support too though |
| 20:50.11 | gnarface | (i don't know) |
| 20:50.35 | xkr47 | or perhaps: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav -D front:CARD=SB,DEV=0 |
| 20:51.09 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Ok, I'll investigate this topic. |
| 20:52.00 | xkr47 | regarding ls -l output.. pcm* devices are the ones that play audio, the others control mixer etc |
| 20:52.03 | greenjeans | curious, why would you try to play a song with mpv? |
| 20:52.11 | greenjeans | lots of better choices |
| 20:52.49 | devuan | xkr47, both gives me terminal output without errors but i doesnt hear anything |
| 20:53.01 | gnarface | hooraaay! |
| 20:53.03 | gnarface | that's good |
| 20:53.06 | gnarface | probably just muted now |
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| 20:54.40 | gnarface | alsamixer -c [card number] |
| 20:55.02 | xkr47 | where [card number] is 1 |
| 20:56.21 | gnarface | well, probably but not necessarily... my nvidia card's HDMI audio passthrough shows up as 1 |
| 20:56.45 | gnarface | or wait, did he paste aplay -L? |
| 20:57.04 | xkr47 | http://paste.debian.net/988075/ |
| 20:57.14 | gnarface | ah ok |
| 20:57.28 | xkr47 | it's the SB card he wants |
| 20:57.45 | xkr47 | which you can see is card 1 here: http://paste.debian.net/988064/ |
| 20:57.55 | gnarface | ok, i see |
| 20:57.56 | xkr47 | Karte = card, Gerät = device |
| 20:58.21 | gnarface | what about front: |
| 20:58.23 | xkr47 | devuan, managed to open alsamixer and adjust volumes? |
| 20:58.49 | xkr47 | gnarface, don't really know alsa to that depth, just thought to give a few options.. hw was frequentially challenged :) |
| 20:59.07 | xkr47 | "Direct hardware device without any conversions" |
| 20:59.25 | gnarface | yea i don't see default: here which would have been my first choice, maybe dmix: or surround21 even |
| 20:59.41 | xkr47 | mm |
| 20:59.50 | gnarface | i suppose if alsamixer was already showing unmuted controls i'd try a few |
| 20:59.56 | xkr47 | anyway I think his default sound card is wrongly configured.. how did you do that with alsa? |
| 21:00.36 | gnarface | one of the alsa packages contains an init script that generates /usr/share/alsa |
| 21:00.42 | gnarface | it's not supposed to go wrong but sometimes it does |
| 21:00.46 | devuan | yes, i adjusted the volumes in alsamixer |
| 21:00.48 | gnarface | more often the package is omitted accidentally |
| 21:01.38 | xkr47 | devuan, any luck? did you unmute all sliders also? |
| 21:01.54 | xkr47 | (press m to toggle) |
| 21:02.24 | xkr47 | if it says OO just below the volume bar it is unmuted, if it says MM then it's muted |
| 21:03.21 | devuan | now i hear something after pressing m |
| 21:03.48 | xkr47 | # # |
| 21:03.48 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.48 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.48 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.51 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.53 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.56 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.34 | xkr47 | I need to add "alsa" to my linkedin profile ;---) |
| 21:04.42 | devuan | with the speaker-test command, not with mpv |
| 21:06.32 | xkr47 | try using ao=alsa:device=[hw:1,0] |
| 21:06.36 | xkr47 | in mpv |
| 21:07.15 | greenjeans | maybe try an actual music player for music? |
| 21:07.21 | greenjeans | just spitballing here |
| 21:07.24 | gnarface | in theory if front: worked it would also work with mpv in place of hw: |
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| 21:07.50 | greenjeans | may be an issue with mpv, not alsa |
| 21:08.06 | gnarface | i think it's just got a bunk default configuration |
| 21:08.23 | greenjeans | first troubelshooting test is always try something else, so as to narrow down what is at fault |
| 21:08.28 | xkr47 | joins gnarface |
| 21:08.44 | xkr47 | greenjeans, yes thanks we tried with speaker-test and got audio |
| 21:08.49 | devuan | one moment |
| 21:08.59 | greenjeans | then it's an issue with mpv |
| 21:09.09 | greenjeans | which is not a music player |
| 21:09.18 | greenjeans | try vlc |
| 21:09.19 | greenjeans | or exaile |
| 21:09.31 | xkr47 | devuan, eventually we want to set card 1, device 0 as default for you somehow, but for now we are trying quick hacks to build up on our poor alsa knowledge :D |
| 21:10.06 | greenjeans | alsa is pretty robust and autodetection is excellent in Devuan |
| 21:10.21 | greenjeans | i think y'all are overcomplicating this |
| 21:10.24 | xkr47 | yes but if you have two cards, it has 50-50 of getting it right? :) |
| 21:11.04 | greenjeans | you have two soundcards in one machine? |
| 21:11.08 | greenjeans | why? |
| 21:11.19 | xkr47 | the machine has a HDMI output and regular soundcard output |
| 21:11.26 | xkr47 | it is not uncommon |
| 21:11.31 | xkr47 | I have it on several machines |
| 21:11.39 | greenjeans | That's not the same thing as multiple cards |
| 21:11.47 | greenjeans | and I have it on my machines too |
| 21:11.59 | greenjeans | and alsa works perfectly |
| 21:12.23 | greenjeans | with only gstreamer 0.10 too |
| 21:12.38 | xkr47 | greenjeans, what does "aplay -l" show for you? |
| 21:13.06 | xkr47 | greenjeans, now now don't assume all machines work at least as good as yours :) |
| 21:13.08 | greenjeans | not applicable in the partition i'm currently using |
| 21:13.24 | xkr47 | greenjeans, ok ls -l /dev/snd ? :) |
| 21:13.25 | devuan | xkr47, greenjeans , gnarface http://paste.debian.net/988084/ |
| 21:13.57 | xkr47 | devuan, with that ao=alsa:device=[hw:1,0] ? |
| 21:13.58 | greenjeans | i'm in my original beta Devuan mate partition, it uses pulseaudio |
| 21:14.27 | xkr47 | oh well then nobody knows what _really_ happens ;--D |
| 21:14.33 | greenjeans | basically it's the village idiot of partitions on my machine, lol |
| 21:14.41 | xkr47 | ^^ |
| 21:15.16 | devuan | xkr47, where i have to add this? |
| 21:15.41 | greenjeans | just trying to say, I see a whole lot of bugs that people immediately go uber-geek on, when in fact they are usually very simple |
| 21:15.49 | xkr47 | greenjeans, anyway if you check the scrollback from some 80 minutes ago forward you'll see a bunch of paste.debian.net urls with various outputs from his/her system so you can maybe help out as well |
| 21:15.51 | devuan | i tried vlc ao=alsa:device=[hw:1,0] file.ogg but this doesnt work |
| 21:16.15 | xkr47 | greenjeans, that may be so, in my case it's just because I don't know the simple way to do things |
| 21:16.35 | xkr47 | devuan, vlc? not mpv? |
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| 21:17.20 | greenjeans | sure VLC, I like the idea of mpv too, but deployment is not ready for prime time IMO |
| 21:17.54 | xkr47 | devuan, try: mpv -ao "alsa:device=[hw:1,0]" file.ogg |
| 21:18.07 | greenjeans | and I use Exaile for music exclusively (except for the odd WMA which only VLC will play) |
| 21:19.14 | devuan | mpv -ao "alsa:device=[hw:1,0]" file.ogg <-- that worked! :) |
| 21:19.33 | xkr47 | there we go |
| 21:19.47 | xkr47 | I need to go to sleep now |
| 21:19.55 | greenjeans | lol |
| 21:20.10 | xkr47 | devuan, you need to set device 1, card 0 as your default alsa device somehow |
| 21:20.33 | devuan | yes, but how i can do that? |
| 21:20.49 | xkr47 | devuan, I think this might be exactly what you need: https://superuser.com/a/630048/181362 |
| 21:21.02 | xkr47 | it even has card 1 there in the example |
| 21:21.23 | xkr47 | the 9 line long part that he/she says should go tgo /etc/asound.conf |
| 21:21.46 | xkr47 | I think you can put it in ~/.asoundrc also if you prefer |
| 21:22.38 | xkr47 | devuan, if you want multiple programs to be able to play at once, perhaps consider using pulseaudio or dmix for that then |
| 21:22.59 | xkr47 | devuan, but I won't have time tonight to guide you through that.. also the internet might be able to help :) |
| 21:23.23 | greenjeans | FYI: /etc/asound.conf doesn't exist on my working installs |
| 21:23.31 | xkr47 | devuan, (the link I gave you jumps to the specific answer I was referring to, the one with 18 votes |
| 21:23.31 | greenjeans | nor asoundrc |
| 21:23.51 | greenjeans | alsa doesn't require them really |
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| 21:24.23 | xkr47 | greenjeans, that's all great, the default has been set up correctly for you without manual override.. but as we saw here this was not the case for him/her |
| 21:24.32 | greenjeans | sorry, i keep raining on the parade |
| 21:24.41 | xkr47 | rainbowing |
| 21:24.59 | fsmithred_ | I've done it the other way that's linked on the superuser page: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf but I'm not sure if that works in jessie |
| 21:25.05 | greenjeans | i've done 40+ installs of devuan on different machines and have yet to have to mess with sound |
| 21:25.45 | xkr47 | fsmithred_, seems a latter answer on the superuser page I referred has something about that file |
| 21:25.46 | greenjeans | the only problem ones are the mate versions with pulse |
| 21:25.47 | fsmithred_ | it can get tricky if you have more than one sound card (or usb sound plugged in) or if your cpu shows a sound card |
| 21:26.09 | xkr47 | greenjeans, this proves nothing really :) |
| 21:26.28 | greenjeans | well sure it does, it adds to the database |
| 21:26.45 | xkr47 | yes, but there are certainly more than 40 different machines in the world |
| 21:26.57 | gnarface | devuan: in vlc, enable advanced/all settings (default is "simple") in tools->preferences, then go to audio->output modules->alsa and change the default output device to something other than "default" |
| 21:27.01 | xkr47 | or different sound card configurations |
| 21:27.11 | greenjeans | you said an alsa install requires that etc/asound file, and it doesn't |
| 21:27.53 | gnarface | devuan: it *is* weird that "default" isn't defined for you. that's gonna continue to be annoying |
| 21:28.45 | xkr47 | greenjeans, that I didn't say.. I said the default configuration was not right for him/her |
| 21:29.13 | xkr47 | devuan, I'm off now, if you need further advice tonight, listen to gnarface and fsmithred_ for constructive input |
| 21:30.44 | devuan | xkr47, greenjeans , gnarface fsmithred_ thats for your help |
| 21:30.51 | xkr47 | sure! |
| 21:31.02 | xkr47 | good night/day to you :) |
| 21:31.03 | devuan | thanks* lol |
| 21:31.12 | xkr47 | ^^ |
| 21:31.16 | gnarface | i'm also wandering away but i'll be back later |
| 21:31.17 | devuan | same to you |
| 21:31.32 | greenjeans | most welcome sir, if sourceforge wasn't down i'd point you to some devuan-derived goodness in which everything works out of the box ;) |
| 21:32.36 | fsmithred_ | greenjeans, I think it's up again, but I can't remember my password |
| 21:32.56 | xkr47 | sourceforge is so 2000's ^^ |
| 21:33.05 | greenjeans | meh, too late in the day now, takes an hour to upload a couple iso's |
| 21:33.51 | greenjeans | and apparently i'm not being helpful here so I think i'll bail too |
| 21:34.10 | fsmithred_ | ok, take it easy |
| 21:34.34 | greenjeans | see ya and thanks again for that custom Yad, the windows it draws look better too |
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| 21:37.55 | blap | sourceforge is a horrible site now |
| 21:38.12 | blap | it's just broken witout enabling all remote referrers |
| 21:42.07 | fsmithred_ | I was mistaken. It's still down, but now it asks for my password when I try to create a shell. |
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| 21:42.17 | fsmithred_ | But won't take the correct password |
| 21:44.35 | devuan | why i cant use mpv and vlc at the same time? |
| 21:46.39 | gnarface | "hw:" can't share |
| 21:46.47 | gnarface | that's what dmix is for |
| 21:47.14 | gnarface | though some hardware actually can share, and in those cases dmix sabotages it |
| 21:47.17 | gnarface | ironically i guess |
| 21:48.06 | gnarface | oss also can't share |
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| 22:17.03 | devuan | i will try to setup dmix tomorrow |
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| 23:08.45 | blap | multiple streams just work here |
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| 23:09.07 | blap | stupid blap could use simpler loopback recording though |
| 23:09.13 | blap | maybe i can Tee it |
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