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| 01:03.14 | holla | hi there - i'm looking for a |
| 01:03.23 | holla | xfce4-panel-plugin |
| 01:04.12 | holla | but as i could not find it with apt, i tried to add contrib and non-free, but apt update says 'Ign' - is there no such thing in devuan? |
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| 01:28.27 | Centurion_Dan | you mean xfce4-panel? |
| 01:28.50 | Centurion_Dan | holla ^^ |
| 01:31.43 | holla | yes |
| 01:32.14 | holla | i'ld like to have a simple / small batt and cpu monitor in the taskbar |
| 01:34.04 | holla | Centurion_Dan: lol - just found it: right click on taskbar -> Panel -> Add New Items |
| 01:34.29 | Centurion_Dan | ;-) |
| 01:34.36 | holla | but my other question remains - are there contrib and non-free debs in devuan? |
| 01:35.19 | Centurion_Dan | yes there are... |
| 01:35.43 | Centurion_Dan | what does your /etc/apt/sources.list currently have in it |
| 01:38.01 | holla | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main contrib non-free |
| 01:38.41 | holla | ^^ i've added contrib and non-free but as i said, apt update says Ign on them |
| 01:39.33 | holla | and there are debs for updates security and backports as well - just the default i guess after a fresh install |
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| 02:55.09 | n-iCe | hello |
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| 02:55.36 | furrywolf | heyas |
| 02:55.48 | n-iCe | thinkin in install devuan |
| 02:56.02 | n-iCe | people say is lightwight, I run a centrino duo with 1gb ram |
| 02:56.09 | n-iCe | running tiny core linx installed in my hdd |
| 02:56.25 | golinux | Depends what you install with it |
| 02:57.49 | n-iCe | well i just use browser and irssi |
| 02:58.16 | XuR | browser so... PORN |
| 02:59.09 | golinux | eeeewwww |
| 02:59.16 | XuR | heh |
| 02:59.22 | n-iCe | should I |
| 02:59.28 | n-iCe | or will be as lightwight than debian with i3 |
| 02:59.55 | fsmithred | if you install i3 it will |
| 03:00.30 | fsmithred | the browser will use up most of that gig of ram, and the rest of the desktop will take about 40mb |
| 03:00.41 | n-iCe | ok |
| 03:00.46 | n-iCe | what browser do you recommend? |
| 03:00.50 | n-iCe | that can play youtube videos |
| 03:00.51 | fsmithred | none |
| 03:00.58 | n-iCe | and no command line browser |
| 03:01.03 | fsmithred | haven't found one I like |
| 03:01.03 | XuR | Internet Explorer! |
| 03:01.10 | fsmithred | oh, I use lynx if I need it |
| 03:01.28 | fsmithred | others like links |
| 03:01.32 | fsmithred | w3m works |
| 03:01.42 | XuR | Or would that be more appropriate Internet Exploiter, I get these things confused. |
| 03:02.14 | golinux | (troll alert) |
| 03:02.44 | XuR | Thank you for alerting us of your intentions :) |
| 03:03.36 | golinux | What? The ban hammer? |
| 03:04.45 | fsmithred | n-iCe, I'm still using firefox. Palemoon is pretty good. Waterfox was a little flaky, midori didn't work right last time I tried it. |
| 03:05.12 | fsmithred | I don't use the square one. |
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| 03:22.12 | matlock | fsmithred I highly recommend trying firefox 58, it's like a brand new browser |
| 03:26.34 | fromport | the new firefox is (imo) awesome: it is nightly build but beats chrome |
| 03:26.50 | fromport | # nightly firefox builds |
| 03:26.50 | fromport | # apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 247510BE |
| 03:26.50 | fromport | # apt-get install firefox-trunk |
| 03:26.50 | fromport | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu artful main |
| 03:27.29 | furrywolf | does it have awesome features like sound, and letting me use extensions of my choosing? |
| 03:27.30 | fromport | i am running it on cerres , for jessie you might need a little different version. works great |
| 03:27.59 | fromport | i can watch youtube, cast to my chrome unit on the tv. I have ublock etc running |
| 03:28.13 | fromport | flash control, auto refresh |
| 03:28.22 | furrywolf | that is, does it work with ALSA, or only with a non-standard audio daemon? |
| 03:28.33 | fromport | how do I check ? |
| 03:28.39 | furrywolf | and does it still mandate extensions be signed by mozilla? |
| 03:29.35 | fromport | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/58.0a1/releasenotes/ |
| 03:29.56 | fromport | PulseAudio |
| 03:30.08 | furrywolf | yeah. so I will continue to use 45. |
| 03:30.16 | fromport | Windows |
| 03:30.16 | fromport | Operating Systems (32-bit and 64-bit) |
| 03:30.16 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.16 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.16 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.18 | fromport | Recommended Hardware |
| 03:30.18 | Xenguy | matlock: fsck FF, they totalled the add-on ecosystem |
| 03:30.20 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.23 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.25 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.28 | fromport | Mac |
| 03:30.30 | fromport | Operating Systems |
| 03:30.33 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.35 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.37 | Xenguy | Try typing on one line FFS |
| 03:30.38 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.40 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.43 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.45 | fromport | Recommended Hardware |
| 03:30.48 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.49 | Xenguy | jesus christ |
| 03:30.51 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.53 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.55 | fromport | GNU/Linux |
| 03:30.58 | fromport | Software Requirements |
| 03:31.00 | Xenguy | What are you? |
| 03:31.00 | fromport | Please note that GNU/Linux distributors may provide packages for your distribution which have different requirements. |
| 03:31.04 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.06 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.09 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.10 | Xenguy | Are you for real even? |
| 03:31.11 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.14 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.16 | fromport | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.19 | fromport | ouch, sorry |
| 03:31.19 | Xenguy | *plonk* |
| 03:31.21 | fromport | wanted to paste one line, but somehow selected the rest :-((((( |
| 03:31.24 | fromport | For optimal functionality, we recommend the following libraries or packages: PulseAudio |
| 03:31.27 | fromport | it might work with alsa |
| 03:31.27 | Xenguy | yeah, ahem |
| 03:31.33 | fromport | welcome to your killfile ? |
| 03:31.38 | Xenguy | Very close |
| 03:31.51 | Xenguy | Don't do that shit |
| 03:31.56 | fromport | i appologized and explained what happened |
| 03:32.01 | fromport | 05:30 < fromport> wanted to paste one line, but somehow selected the rest :-((((( |
| 03:32.07 | fromport | what else do you want ? |
| 03:32.12 | Xenguy | Fine, now see if you can shut up for more than 5 seconds |
| 03:32.18 | fromport | no, you |
| 03:32.18 | Xenguy | How about that? |
| 03:32.21 | fromport | fy |
| 03:32.24 | matlock | Xenguy no platform remains static forever, there is still firefox-esr |
| 03:32.33 | Xenguy | dingbat |
| 03:32.43 | Xenguy | matlock: yes, thankfully |
| 03:33.29 | Xenguy | There is Pale Moon also, but they are an interesting edge case too |
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| 03:54.10 | golinux | Good grief I step afk for a bit and the kiddies go nuts |
| 03:54.34 | golinux | Please take non-Devuan topics to #debianfork. |
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| 10:21.46 | aitor | hi again |
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| 10:24.00 | aitor | the following code at the end of the postinst file of the live-installer package should work, it should remove root's password and it doesn't depend on `awk`: |
| 10:24.02 | aitor | https://paste.debian.net/989289/ |
| 10:24.10 | aitor | i'll try again with it |
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| 11:40.53 | aitor | it worked! |
| 11:40.55 | aitor | :) |
| 11:42.30 | aitor | the new password for root worked, so we can also remove the live user (if it exists) in the same file |
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| 11:45.41 | aitor | this is the code added to live-installer.udeb: |
| 11:45.42 | aitor | https://paste.debian.net/989298/ |
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| 11:46.32 | aitor | yesterday i was wrong, both `sed` and `grep` work in d-i, but not `awk` |
| 11:46.43 | aitor | bbl |
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| 11:47.14 | aitor | no, he is still AntoFox1 |
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| 11:50.41 | aitor | the first line is missing in the above link, that is: |
| 11:50.51 | aitor | w=`cat /target/etc/shadow` |
| 11:50.55 | aitor | bye |
| 11:53.33 | AntoFox | what? |
| 11:54.32 | AntoFox | :P |
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| 12:14.34 | detha | eew. that has a little bit of time where there _is_ no shadow |
| 12:15.57 | detha | aitor: for when you are back, why not do something like https://paste.debian.net/989304/ |
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| 12:17.21 | detha | or even more paranoid, http://paste.debian.net/989306/ |
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| 13:44.50 | buZz | does anyone know which proprietary nvidia driver i could run on ascii? |
| 13:45.08 | buZz | before i upgrade my workstation and find myself unable to play HL2 in Steam ;) |
| 13:47.34 | fsmithred | depends on your card. what's the model? |
| 13:48.39 | fsmithred | buZz, are you using nvidia packages from non-free repo or directly from nvidia? |
| 13:49.00 | buZz | from jessie-backports atm |
| 13:49.19 | buZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.22 | fsmithred | ok, what's name of main package these days? nvidia-glx? |
| 13:49.44 | buZz | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia should show it :P |
| 13:49.59 | buZz | or nvidia-driver |
| 13:50.18 | fsmithred | ok, good |
| 13:50.49 | buZz | :) |
| 13:50.58 | gnarface | 375 should be recent enough i thought... |
| 13:51.05 | gnarface | what card is it? |
| 13:51.09 | buZz | gtx 1060 |
| 13:51.18 | fsmithred | 375.82-1~deb9u1 is in ascii-proposed-updates |
| 13:51.22 | gnarface | oh |
| 13:51.27 | gnarface | it might not be new enough for a 10XX |
| 13:51.37 | fsmithred | 375.66-2~deb9u1 is in ascii |
| 13:51.46 | gnarface | everything else though, should be good with like 340+ |
| 13:52.02 | buZz | is -proposed-updates a replacement for jessie-backports? i guess not |
| 13:52.07 | fsmithred | nope |
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| 13:52.14 | gnarface | for a 10XX you may actually need to get the one from experimental |
| 13:52.28 | fsmithred | I don't see one in experimental |
| 13:52.38 | buZz | the 375.82 works well atm |
| 13:52.45 | buZz | just fyi :P |
| 13:53.08 | fsmithred | well, if you have ascii-proposed-updates in your sources, you should get it |
| 13:53.08 | gnarface | i wonder if the one that was in experimental finally got released to ceres, or if they scrubbed it |
| 13:53.20 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 13:54.08 | fsmithred | I usually go with the binaries from nvidia if I'm going to use nvidia |
| 13:54.09 | gnarface | weird |
| 13:54.13 | gnarface | 384 is gone |
| 13:54.30 | gnarface | the binary installer from nvidia mangles apt dependencies though |
| 13:54.40 | gnarface | it works to install but leaves a mess |
| 13:54.43 | fsmithred | I never noticed |
| 13:54.50 | gnarface | it can break upgrades |
| 13:55.02 | gnarface | or just cause them to silently fail by leaving old libGL in place |
| 13:55.07 | gnarface | and such |
| 13:55.07 | fsmithred | it will break on kernel upgrades |
| 13:55.46 | fsmithred | I've had that happen a couple times, but just install again with new kernel and headers |
| 13:56.40 | fsmithred | been using nouveau for over a year and it's ok |
| 13:57.42 | gnarface | the nouveau driver is great, but the gaming performance is garbage, with few exceptions |
| 13:58.08 | gnarface | in every other way it's generally superior |
| 13:58.25 | gnarface | stability, xorg.conf parsing, xrandr implementation completeness... |
| 13:59.01 | gnarface | it's unfortunately not a serious option if Steam is on your support roadmap |
| 13:59.17 | gnarface | or any 10XX card, for that matter |
| 13:59.31 | gnarface | (i think nvidia is still refusing to release the key for the signed firmware it requires) |
| 13:59.58 | gnarface | that's a real unfortunate situation |
| 14:00.14 | buZz | i try to stick to -dkms drivers for nvidia |
| 14:00.18 | buZz | its just the easiest :) |
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| 14:05.14 | fsmithred | freecell works just fine! gotta go. bbl. |
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| 14:14.01 | fChanX | Hi |
| 14:14.40 | fChanX | Anyone know how Devuan would be on a Rasberry Pi? I have just seen it on distrowatch as a Pi OS. |
| 14:14.55 | gnarface | should work but you'll be missing the firmware that activates the cool stuff |
| 14:15.15 | gnarface | so you'll be without hardware video decoding or floating-point support |
| 14:15.29 | gnarface | i think some people are using it anyway though |
| 14:16.10 | fChanX | Thanks! |
| 14:16.23 | gnarface | someone was talking about repackaging the raspbian firmware for devuan but i don't know where that effort went. (i assume derailed at the kernel patch level but i don't know for sure one way or another) |
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| 17:40.29 | aitor | detha: `fi` doesn't work in d-i |
| 17:40.56 | aitor | need to go |
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| 17:50.22 | detha | aitor: how strange. especially when the original script has an if ... ; then ...; fi in it. |
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| 17:57.58 | aitor | detha: it's a joke, the code is interesting, of course :) |
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| 18:08.42 | aitor | brb :) |
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| 19:20.25 | DevuanFanatic | Aloha |
| 19:20.43 | DevuanFanatic | Looking to install devuan via minimal live |
| 19:20.48 | DevuanFanatic | Any tips? |
| 19:21.23 | DevuanFanatic | Is the debian-installer package the correct? |
| 19:21.45 | gnarface | probably not |
| 19:22.12 | gnarface | my advice would be to use netinstall image instead |
| 19:22.26 | gnarface | unless you're suck with this for some reason (hardware constraint) |
| 19:23.12 | gnarface | debootstrap may also be an option, if it's just about not having any other boot media to use |
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| 19:46.25 | golinux | For future reference . . . I'm pretty sure that the minimal-live uses the refractainstaller |
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| 20:07.36 | m712 | I can't send or receive mail on the DNG ML fpr some reason... the last message is from 24th of sep. any idea why? |
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| 20:15.05 | DPA | I think sending worked, was the title "Testing post, please ignore"? |
| 20:16.17 | DPA | m712 ^^ |
| 20:19.49 | m712 | yes |
| 20:19.56 | m712 | but i did not receive it |
| 20:20.06 | m712 | maybe my mail host is blocking it? |
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| 20:20.10 | m712 | i'll go check |
| 20:20.23 | m712 | maybe i accidentally set up a filter |
| 20:22.53 | DPA | If it is your own mail host, it seams like the mail had a dkim signature, but the dkim key wasn't found in the dns. |
| 20:23.02 | DPA | but that shouldn't be an issue, since there isn't a good way yet to maintain dkim signatures in mailing lists anyway. |
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| 20:24.19 | golinux | m712: I don't receive messages that I post to DNG. There is a setting in mailman where you can choose whether to receive it or not |
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| 20:25.20 | golinux | But you have a copy in sent mail so why duplicate? |
| 20:26.06 | m712 | not just the mail I sent |
| 20:26.21 | m712 | i did not receive *any mail* from dng since 24th of sep |
| 20:26.31 | m712 | i have no client-side filter |
| 20:26.37 | golinux | Le me check your account |
| 20:26.45 | golinux | +t = Let |
| 20:26.58 | m712 | thanks |
| 20:28.13 | m712 | maybe a block or something on mail.cock.li as a hint? |
| 20:29.16 | m712 | DPA: no, it's cockmail <http://cock.li> |
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| 20:32.29 | golinux | m712: Your account has "nomail" checked with a (B) code which seems to be this: |
| 20:32.35 | golinux | B -- Delivery was disabled by the system due to excessive bouncing from the member's address. |
| 20:33.02 | golinux | IOW, you have a funky email setup. |
| 20:33.26 | golinux | From http://inside.mines.edu/CCIT-Mailman-FAQ |
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| 20:34.40 | golinux | Even if I enable it, it will flip back until you fix the account to not bounce. |
| 20:39.21 | m712 | i'll tell the mail host |
| 20:39.25 | m712 | thanks |
| 20:39.28 | golinux | m712: That is not the email you subscribed with. |
| 20:39.37 | m712 | ? |
| 20:39.51 | golinux | It's something about getting back into the kitchen |
| 20:40.08 | m712 | i subscribed with comeon@getbackinthe.kitchen |
| 20:40.09 | golinux | (I've already logged out) |
| 20:40.16 | golinux | Yes |
| 20:40.16 | m712 | which is a cock.li address |
| 20:40.26 | golinux | That's gross. |
| 20:40.28 | m712 | they have a few domains like that |
| 20:40.30 | m712 | lol |
| 20:41.02 | m712 | they have a few domains like that |
| 20:41.07 | m712 | oops |
| 20:41.12 | m712 | i just typed that again |
| 20:41.38 | golinux | Yes you did |
| 20:41.41 | m712 | anyway i'll email the mailserver owner (vc) and let him know |
| 20:42.04 | m712 | thanks |
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| 20:47.08 | greenjeans | lol |
| 20:48.30 | greenjeans | fyi this year is the Year of the Cock in the chinese calendar |
| 20:48.36 | greenjeans | ;) |
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| 22:14.30 | holla | how comes there is no X log in /var/log? - I've installed an alternative wm but it won't come up - now i'm searching for err msgs |
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| 22:18.14 | Vizva | systemback should be in a linux system as a backup solution |
| 22:20.16 | DPA | I do have logs in /var/log/Xorg* in ascii and jessie. How do you try to start the wm? |
| 22:20.29 | Vizva | Xorg0.log? |
| 22:20.38 | Vizva | Xorg.0.log? |
| 22:20.54 | DPA | Do you have a syslog daemon installed? |
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| 22:27.03 | holla | Vizva: thx - found it now. seems like X isn't evene started at that point |
| 22:27.20 | Vizva | prima |
| 22:28.32 | Vizva | which wm you try now? |
| 22:28.36 | golinux | Do you have a login manager installed? slim or light dm? |
| 22:29.15 | golinux | Sorry I think I skimed a little too fast. |
| 22:29.26 | golinux | skimmed really |
| 22:30.07 | holla | Vizva: stump |
| 22:30.39 | Vizva | hear it the first time :) |
| 22:33.55 | Vizva | you did never start x but you install another wm |
| 22:36.04 | holla | well that's the strange part - i did start X before since i installed from devuan-live-desktop so i thought there ought to be some X remainings in /var/log |
| 22:38.27 | Vizva | there is xorg.0.log.old |
| 22:39.00 | Vizva | the newer file xorg.0.log is a replacement |
| 22:39.11 | Vizva | to hold files not to big |
| 22:39.39 | Vizva | hm but mine is 0 b |
| 22:40.00 | Vizva | becasue i havet use that system much |
| 22:40.05 | Vizva | havent |
| 22:40.10 | Vizva | :P |
| 22:40.44 | holla | i know - but when dm's login screen hung himslef and after i switched to cons there were no Xorg*log in /var/log |
| 22:41.04 | Vizva | whats you graphic card? |
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| 22:41.26 | holla | Vizva: btw 0 is the number of your Xserver - 0 means, you're only running one instance :p |
| 22:42.23 | holla | dunno - some intel hd graphics whatever - but i think it's not a problem of my graphics card |
| 22:42.45 | holla | it's more like a problem of that deb |
| 22:42.59 | Vizva | i have intel inside and nvidia in one notebook |
| 22:43.10 | holla | Vizva: if you're interested? '# apt install stumpwm' |
| 22:43.15 | Vizva | this can make a big problem |
| 22:43.36 | holla | restart your X and login to stump |
| 22:43.41 | holla | or try to ... |
| 22:43.51 | Vizva | youre sure you havent such a hybrid ?! |
| 22:44.28 | Vizva | because it can cause hangs |
| 22:44.46 | holla | nope - i'm not sure - but it works flawless with devuan's default xfce and also with i3 - so i guess there's something wrong with the pkg |
| 22:44.49 | Vizva | only for example |
| 22:45.29 | holla | Vizva: come on - give it a try! install stumpwm - log out - log in again and try to start it |
| 22:45.30 | Vizva | thx but i have a lot of other things todo |
| 22:45.43 | holla | lol - np |
| 22:45.58 | Vizva | maybe later next year :) |
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| 22:48.35 | alexlikerock | sup!... |
| 22:49.22 | alexlikerock | !es |
| 22:49.22 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, es is Para los usuarios devuan de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #devuan-mx -- Spanish-speaking devuan users requiring support, please join #devuan-mx |
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| 22:52.35 | alexlikerock | we are waiting at spanish channel ;-) |
| 22:55.09 | Vizva | !live |
| 22:55.10 | infobot | ACTION rises from the dead and starts eating people. |
| 22:56.12 | Vizva | !devuan |
| 22:56.12 | infobot | devuan https://devuan.org literally mirrors debian in realtime ("all the same") except replacing packages with systemd-dependencies, and it introduces its own themes and branding. Also see factoid (~/!)amprolla |
| 22:57.37 | Vizva | that are good news |
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| 22:58.56 | greenjeans | !poo |
| 22:58.56 | infobot | poo is smelly |
| 22:59.01 | greenjeans | lol |
| 22:59.27 | greenjeans | !greenjeans |
| 22:59.28 | g4570n | !help |
| 22:59.40 | greenjeans | !beer |
| 22:59.40 | infobot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 23:02.17 | g4570n | !rssfeeds |
| 23:03.16 | Vizva | he go and take the smelly bot with him ;) |
| 23:03.54 | Vizva | or her |
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| 23:20.36 | Xenguy | I just looked up stumpwm; I had no idea it was intended as a successor to ratpoison |
| 23:21.01 | Xenguy | I must try a tiling window manager sometime |
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