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| 07:20.53 | _abc_ | Hello. Moving from wheezy to devuan, step by step, very old machine, drastic upgrade, I have some qustions: |
| 07:21.22 | _abc_ | How can I provide libgd.so.2 for jessie? Only libgd.so.3 is present. I tried to install the -dev version, does not seem to do the job. |
| 07:21.50 | _abc_ | devuan jessie live desktop bug: zenity -- missing libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 |
| 07:22.25 | _abc_ | Also, I am trying to test key apps on the old system, while booted into live devuan on a usb stick |
| 07:22.43 | _abc_ | This works, running down a long list of todos, but now I hit a snag: |
| 07:24.15 | _abc_ | I chrooted into the hdd system and tried to use the usual xauthority + ln -f /tmp/.X11* socket to the chroot. The latter fails, because the hdd is mounted on the running system, i.e. it is not hard linkable. Softlink was tried obviously did not work. ... |
| 07:24.19 | _abc_ | ... Is there any devuan specific hack for this? Linking a different-mounted chroot to make X11 work in the chroot? |
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| 07:45.14 | divansantana | hi all |
| 07:45.43 | divansantana | sure this has been asked several times... How can I switch to ascii from jessie? I want to run a kde user desktop |
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| 07:46.01 | divansantana | I can't see the ascii mirrors/repos |
| 07:49.13 | divansantana | And is an ascii kde desktop reasonably stable? |
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| 08:08.47 | divansantana | Also, apt-file update is not working. Says Ignoring source without Contents File |
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| 08:35.17 | _abc_ | I asked earlyer about X11 in chroot. My session crashed, has anyone answered please? |
| 08:36.11 | _abc_ | Oh, DocScrutinizer51 you look familiar from ##electronics earlyer :) |
| 08:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yes |
| 08:37.06 | _abc_ | So has anyone answered the question? Here? |
| 08:40.00 | _abc_ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/317319/x-org-working-with-no-socket-in-chroot these abstract sockets? Could they help perhaps? The client will be very old X11, the server is devuan jessie's. I assume the client might not know about abstract ... |
| 08:40.04 | _abc_ | ... sockets, being too old? |
| 08:42.36 | _abc_ | Abstract sockets seem to be supported in the old version (wheezy/etch era). So it might be possible to do what I need. How does one represent a NUL started socket in a server DISPLAY export in the client side environment? |
| 08:42.45 | cyteen | divansantana: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 08:44.51 | _abc_ | Hmm so in theory if it works it should "just work" without an exported DISPLAY= env var but it does not work in my case. Iow, no DISPLAY= export means error no DISPLAY, with DISPLAY and soft linked /tmp/.X11* socket it also does not work, the ... |
| 08:44.55 | _abc_ | ... application never starts on screen, it seems to get stuck. |
| 08:46.03 | _abc_ | https://www.elstel.org/xchroot/ I think this is the solution. Not booted into devuan now, does devuan include xchroot perhaps? |
| 08:46.08 | _abc_ | desktop-live |
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| 08:49.30 | _abc_ | Would bind-mounting /tmp in the chroot help? |
| 08:49.53 | _abc_ | I could try out all these things one by one, would take half a day. Asking here to accelerate the process? Anyone? |
| 08:50.43 | _abc_ | bbl please contribute if you have any ideas. |
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| 09:03.09 | _abc_ | ?? |
| 09:07.49 | _abc_ | erm xchroot seems to be a bin only distributed program. Forget I ever asked about it. |
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| 09:18.17 | _abc_ | http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Multi-Distro-Dev/use.html this seems to show mostly what I did, I must have missed a step or two. Will try again. |
| 09:19.27 | _abc_ | Devuan specific: desktop-live, when written to a contemporary USB stick, leaves a lot of free space. I added a data partition for that, using fdisk, on the usb stick, and placed a lot of useful things there, including complete desktop settings backed ... |
| 09:19.31 | _abc_ | ... up using cp ~/.config /media/.../config-backup |
| 09:20.14 | _abc_ | Some distributions have the option to support live-data like that at boot time, into the desktop. Does devuan plan to do such a thing? Add a hook in the boot scripts which checks for a data partition, a magic file on that, and execs it if it exists? |
| 09:20.27 | _abc_ | This could be encrypted, but that is not necessary now. |
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| 09:22.56 | _abc_ | Crashy client today. Continued: any plans in devuan to support boot time 'packed' data on writable media like extra partitions on usb stick? |
| 09:24.10 | _abc_ | I mean some call it persistence image, I do not quite want that, just finding a magic file on the usb stick, and execing it if it exists. |
| 09:25.06 | _abc_ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/376172/how-to-boot-live-debian-using-persistence-image-in-read-only-mode relevant debian questions and partial answers, referring to full persistence, not what I ask. |
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| 09:41.31 | _abc_ | I see I have been wasting my breath here this morning, will try again later in the evening? |
| 09:42.11 | _abc_ | Again, is there some built into devuan jessie desktop-live partial persistence file or data mechanism? Is there any interest in adding such? |
| 09:46.23 | hwpplayer1 | is there a report about it ? |
| 09:46.34 | _abc_ | What report? |
| 09:46.57 | hwpplayer1 | There should be an article or report about it |
| 09:47.20 | hwpplayer1 | When you tell something you need to report it |
| 09:47.30 | hwpplayer1 | to the public |
| 09:47.42 | _abc_ | Well I never saw such a thing in devuan. I am asking if it will be added? Or if it exists and is perhaps not documented. |
| 09:48.13 | hwpplayer1 | Take your own documentation then show it to the community and public |
| 09:48.25 | hwpplayer1 | Don't lose your effort |
| 09:48.40 | _abc_ | If you do not know or are not a developer on devuan please don't talk. You are not contributing now. |
| 09:49.02 | hwpplayer1 | You say "I have been wasting my breath here this morning, will try again later in the evening?" |
| 09:49.24 | _abc_ | Yes, because people come here and talk in USA evening TZ hours, and that is not the case now. |
| 09:49.48 | hwpplayer1 | Maybe i understand wrong let's wait and see |
| 09:50.11 | _abc_ | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ hwpplayer1 |
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| 10:04.12 | _abc_ | bbl |
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| 13:01.13 | _abc_ | Why is everything scrolled out in the current log? Like this morning's discussion, in it's entirety? https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ Current? |
| 13:01.38 | _abc_ | Is keeping joins and parts in the log more important than the discussion itself? |
| 13:02.15 | _abc_ | Something strange is going on with my browser. Just a sec. |
| 13:03.59 | _abc_ | Let your friends know: DO NOT view botbot.me logs with javascript off. Very strange things will happen, vanished postings and worse. There will be some joins and parts recorded, and only the last bit of the discussion(s) |
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| 13:07.58 | fsmithred | _abc_, are you here now? |
| 13:08.05 | _abc_ | yep |
| 13:08.08 | fsmithred | hi |
| 13:08.11 | _abc_ | hi |
| 13:08.17 | fsmithred | about the desktop-live... |
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| 13:08.36 | fsmithred | hook scripts are supported, because it uses live-boot and live-config |
| 13:08.51 | fsmithred | but you can't edit the boot menu on an isohybrid image |
| 13:09.03 | _abc_ | <aside>search for myself on logs, shows FEW messages BY me, lots of others addressing me. Huh? https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=_abc_ </aside> |
| 13:09.08 | fsmithred | well, you can edit it manually at boot time |
| 13:09.27 | _abc_ | fsmithred: Oh I see what you mean. So a lightweight remastering would fix that? |
| 13:09.28 | fsmithred | it won't show any messages by you unless you say your name |
| 13:09.37 | fsmithred | that's one way |
| 13:09.48 | fsmithred | I don't like to use isohybrid for my live-usb |
| 13:10.04 | fsmithred | prefer to use fat32 first partition containing the unpacked iso |
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| 13:10.15 | fsmithred | and ext second partition for persistent volumes |
| 13:10.40 | fsmithred | refracta2usb is a script that will do it for you, but it's not yet in the repo |
| 13:11.06 | _abc_ | fsmithred: What I did in the past is, modify /etc/init or similar as needed to seek partitions on the boot media, and try to mount them, look for a magic named file on each, before initializing the system. If found, execute said found file. This is ... |
| 13:11.10 | _abc_ | ... similar to pivot_root etc in ramdisks (old). |
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| 13:11.37 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:11.40 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I found a ubuntu howto today which does it with syslinux. It is more important to stay completely compatible with a later to-hdd install |
| 13:11.57 | fsmithred | I've never been able to create a second partition on a usb that was imaged with isohybrid |
| 13:12.10 | fsmithred | yeah, I use syslinux |
| 13:12.27 | _abc_ | I was! Just fdisk the drive and generate a second partition. On the devuan desktop-live image! |
| 13:12.47 | _abc_ | It will not be seen by windows, has to be 1st for that, but this is okay, make it ext2 or 3 and linux will see it fine |
| 13:13.08 | _abc_ | Apparently isohybrid has an important option called <just a sec looking> |
| 13:13.31 | _abc_ | -parted ? or such? Just a sec indexing. |
| 13:13.43 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:14.04 | _abc_ | That option makes the partition table 'standard' i.e. you can operate on it with fdisk after that. |
| 13:14.12 | fsmithred | if you use the unpacked iso method, you can plug the stick into a running system and edit the boot files |
| 13:14.37 | fsmithred | oh, I'll have to try that when I make an iso |
| 13:14.42 | _abc_ | No, -partok. See here: https://theartofmachinery.com/2016/04/21/partitioned_live_usb.html |
| 13:15.01 | _abc_ | So after that it has a standard partition table too and you can edit it as usual |
| 13:15.26 | _abc_ | One thing: verify the media before partitioning since the parted will add data at ONE location in the image and image verify will fail after that. |
| 13:16.23 | _abc_ | I checked that the only location where fdisk adds data when creating the partition is exactly in the partition table, over the length of the written image. So cmp(1) can be used with suitable offsets to check the image after writing too. |
| 13:16.26 | fsmithred | thanks for that |
| 13:17.07 | _abc_ | I was sort of panicing after a number of crashes with the ub stick did not know if the devuan image took one for the team. So I scripted a cmp script to compare with the image on hdd and it worked. |
| 13:17.39 | _abc_ | It's just two calls to cmp, to check before-ptab and after-ptab |
| 13:18.06 | fsmithred | I'll have to see if there's a way to use the -partok option with xorriso - that's what is used to make the isohybrid |
| 13:18.21 | _abc_ | The second useful howto I foun is: https://askubuntu.com/questions/423300/live-usb-on-a-2-partition-usb-drive -- this is full of ubuntuisms but the ideas are clear and can be used elsewhere. |
| 13:18.54 | _abc_ | fsmithred: since what you published (desktop-live) CAN be fdisk'd I think it already does?! |
| 13:19.18 | _abc_ | My laptop keyboard is dying please ignore missing letters it ate for lunch. |
| 13:19.25 | fsmithred | lol, ok |
| 13:19.36 | fsmithred | I usually miss the missing letters anyway |
| 13:19.52 | _abc_ | I got new reading glasses so I do not. Groan. |
| 13:20.02 | fsmithred | oh yeah, that's an issue |
| 13:20.20 | fsmithred | anyway, if you want to try refracta2usb, you can download it here - https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ |
| 13:20.29 | fsmithred | it requires yad |
| 13:20.34 | _abc_ | I looked at it before, will not use it now. |
| 13:20.39 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:20.45 | _abc_ | yad is installed on devuan and works? I think? |
| 13:20.54 | fsmithred | yeah, it's in the desktop-live |
| 13:20.58 | _abc_ | I posted a message about a missing lib today, did you see it? |
| 13:21.04 | fsmithred | no |
| 13:21.07 | _abc_ | just a sec |
| 13:21.47 | _abc_ | zenity -- missing libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 -- desktop-live |
| 13:22.11 | _abc_ | On the same theme: how can one get libgd.so.2 on jessie/devuan? I need it for an old program I have to use? |
| 13:22.48 | fsmithred | checking... |
| 13:23.04 | _abc_ | I tried the usual repos only found libgd-xpm-dev |
| 13:23.20 | _abc_ | No trace of libgd itself? Something is not right there imo. |
| 13:23.33 | fsmithred | libgd2-dev? That's just a virtual package |
| 13:23.43 | fsmithred | also a libgd-dev which is a real package |
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| 13:24.01 | _abc_ | But it seems to point at libgd.so.3 ... |
| 13:24.09 | fsmithred | um, one way I've cheated with missing .so files is to make a symlink |
| 13:24.21 | fsmithred | sometimes it works |
| 13:24.21 | _abc_ | I am testing programs in an old system using the live boot and chroot. |
| 13:24.31 | _abc_ | Yes of course. But before that one asks. |
| 13:27.02 | fsmithred | sorry I don't know the answer |
| 13:27.40 | fsmithred | and zenity doesn't work on the desktop-live? |
| 13:27.40 | _abc_ | This is nuts. Searching the logs by nick does not work? https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=abc -> ONE posting by me somewhere? Including today? |
| 13:27.51 | _abc_ | fsmithred: zenity says library above missing. |
| 13:27.58 | _abc_ | yad works and whiptail works |
| 13:28.08 | fsmithred | weird, zenity was automatically installed |
| 13:28.12 | _abc_ | missing is libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 |
| 13:28.39 | _abc_ | Yeah nothing is perfect. You know, it's much better than other things, devuan as is now. |
| 13:28.42 | _abc_ | shudders |
| 13:29.11 | fsmithred | yeah, it reminds me of debian |
| 13:29.33 | fsmithred | more so than current debian does |
| 13:35.07 | fsmithred | _abc_, zenity is not installed in the dekstop-live |
| 13:35.52 | _abc_ | fsmithred: hmm? Wait, maybe my chrooted environment made the zenity on the old system pop up? |
| 13:36.01 | _abc_ | Sorry in that case, for the false alarm |
| 13:36.16 | fsmithred | not sure if that could happen |
| 13:36.36 | fsmithred | were you also asking about running graphical apps in chroot? |
| 13:36.38 | _abc_ | It could, I did really strange things here trying to execute X11 apps from the chrooted mounted old system |
| 13:36.42 | _abc_ | Yes |
| 13:37.27 | fsmithred | I've done that with xserver-xephyr |
| 13:37.51 | fsmithred | can run a whole desktop with that if you want |
| 13:38.30 | _abc_ | I want just the apps... specifically on the devuan xserver, to determine major porting steps. I have a list of apps I used on the old system which HAVE to be ported before I move to devuan |
| 13:42.59 | fsmithred | I have no good suggestions. Need to go eat - will be back in a little while. |
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| 13:58.03 | inerkick_ | Hi Guys, I am downloading Devuan jessie i386 desktop live ISO , for my Toshiba 640, i3, 2GB ram.. .. Will this be enough to test and later install? |
| 14:00.05 | _abc_ | inerkick_: yes if it boots cleanly into gui |
| 14:00.17 | _abc_ | inerkick_: check: wifi works, sound works, network (cable) works |
| 14:00.24 | _abc_ | inerkick_: also check suspend to ram works. |
| 14:00.42 | _abc_ | If you pass these milestones it is probably okay to install (no warranty) |
| 14:01.02 | inerkick_ | ok |
| 14:01.47 | inerkick_ | I initially downloaded it, but wasn't working, so downloading it again. Is this enough consider I got a 64bit machine but since I got 2GB ram I'm downloading i386 desktop iso |
| 14:03.48 | fsmithred | inerkick_, in what way did it not work? |
| 14:04.37 | inerkick_ | Usage of more RAM |
| 14:04.58 | fsmithred | what do you mean? |
| 14:05.19 | inerkick_ | I mean I am just wondering if 2GB RAM is enough for working Devuan 64bit OS or should I got for 32bit. Since I do have 64Bit machine, but just 2GB Ram |
| 14:05.58 | fsmithred | I would recommend a minimum of 256mb ram to boot the image to desktop |
| 14:06.09 | fsmithred | add a bunch more if you want to use a web browser |
| 14:06.40 | _abc_ | 64 bit devuan boots to desktop on 1GB ram |
| 14:06.50 | _abc_ | 2GB is better |
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| 15:16.10 | _abc_ | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/13/security_roundup/ :: Beware geek bearing gifts (note: geeks is Greeks without an r...) |
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| 17:36.37 | divansantana | Is there an upgrade procedure to ascii? Is it just a simple dist-upgrade once updating sources? |
| 17:37.15 | divansantana | another thing, I installed kde desktop via `apt-get install task-kde-desktop` rebooted and logged in and got xfce desktop. |
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| 17:37.44 | divansantana | I then had to logout and select kde from the DM. I'm pretty sure it installed xfce in addition to kde. |
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| 17:42.05 | fsmithred | divansantana, did you have any desktop before you installed kde? |
| 17:42.51 | divansantana | and is running ascii desktop reasonably stable or do I have to run bunch of things post upgrade to sort out the systemd replacement stuff |
| 17:43.29 | fsmithred | depends on what you install |
| 17:43.54 | fsmithred | I think rsyslog is now fixed and in the repo, so that shouldn't block the upgrade anymore |
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| 17:45.59 | divansantana | fsmithred: wrt installing kde and getting xfce, here is the extract from the apt log https://pastebin.com/eC1fcTGM |
| 17:46.15 | divansantana | fsmithred: I'll try the update and see |
| 17:46.27 | divansantana | is wicd standard instead of nm? |
| 17:46.46 | fsmithred | yes |
| 17:46.54 | fsmithred | there is a devuanized nm if you want it |
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| 17:48.55 | fsmithred | divansantana, try something like 'aptitude why xfce4-session' |
| 17:49.44 | fsmithred | hi n4dir |
| 17:51.01 | divansantana | fsmithred: https://pastebin.com/w7W9czcM |
| 17:52.56 | divansantana | fsmithred:I'm ok with wicd. I'd prefer to use that then nm and think it's a good idea. |
| 17:53.30 | fsmithred | ok, that explains why xfce4-session got installed, but it doesn't explain why kde-workspace didn't get installed instead. |
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| 17:53.36 | fsmithred | weird |
| 17:54.31 | divansantana | fsmithred: it could be because it prompted me during install with a DM and I selected the wrong choice(I accidentally hit enter)? Anyway, I'll do a clean up of it later. |
| 17:54.45 | fsmithred | oh, you took lightdm? |
| 17:55.30 | fsmithred | did you take the default desktop during the initial installation of the system? |
| 18:00.10 | n4dir | hi fsmithred |
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| 18:04.55 | divansantana | fsmithred: I think whatever it prompted I entered through but not 100%. And wrt DM it defaulted to xfce. |
| 18:09.08 | divansantana | fsmithred:kdm is running and seems to be the only dm installed |
| 18:18.11 | golinux | n4dir: The gang's all here! |
| 18:19.48 | n4dir | :-) golinux |
| 18:20.44 | fsmithred | almost all - no dzz :( |
| 18:21.01 | fsmithred | he's probably off somewhere playing music |
| 18:25.34 | golinux | Or meandean |
| 18:26.12 | golinux | I miss the refracta forum. :( |
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| 19:02.29 | DGMurdockIII | is PipeWire going to be in devuan? |
| 19:03.19 | blinkdog | DGMurdockIII: Link to PipeWire? |
| 19:03.31 | DGMurdockIII | http://pipewire.org/ |
| 19:03.45 | DGMurdockIII | https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire |
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| 19:06.26 | fsmithred | DGMurdockIII, if it goes into Debian, it will be in Devuan (unless it requires systemd) |
| 19:06.55 | fsmithred | if someone wants to maintain it for Devuan, it could possibly get into the repo |
| 19:07.18 | blinkdog | fsmithred: It looks like src/daemon/systemd/user/meson.build wants systemd |
| 19:07.21 | blinkdog | systemd = dependency('systemd', required: true) |
| 19:10.36 | fsmithred | the blurb on their home page does not sound hopeful |
| 19:10.50 | DGMurdockIII | oh |
| 19:11.42 | golinux | How is anyone even suppored to be able to read that? |
| 19:11.43 | DGMurdockIII | https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/wiki |
| 19:11.47 | fsmithred | wayland, flatpack, containerized, core building block for the future of Linux |
| 19:12.15 | fsmithred | sorry, future of linux application development |
| 19:12.47 | DGMurdockIII | u can ask them on channel #pipewire |
| 19:13.00 | fsmithred | 3-D glasses, golinux |
| 19:14.00 | golinux | It was created by Wim Taymans, Principal Engineer at Red Hat and . . . . doesn't inspire confidence . . . |
| 19:14.20 | golinux | More corporate lockdown, Iexpect. |
| 19:15.11 | golinux | It will undoubtedly be shiny, shiny but . . . |
| 19:15.42 | DGMurdockIII | yeah but he also co dev gestreamer |
| 19:17.50 | _abc_ | Why would a user side media processing system depend on systemd?! |
| 19:18.20 | _abc_ | This sounds like a bad plan to me |
| 19:18.23 | fsmithred | maybe for the new security model that they mention |
| 19:18.33 | _abc_ | You mean DRM enforcement, surely? |
| 19:18.55 | _abc_ | It's clearly kernel processing aimed. pulse etc cooperation. We know who did those, right? |
| 19:18.56 | fsmithred | I mean only what I say, but I think you probably guessed correctly |
| 19:19.23 | fsmithred | DGMurdockIII, why do you want this? Have you tried it? |
| 19:19.29 | _abc_ | "reassuring code development trends for our sponsors and investors" |
| 19:19.43 | DGMurdockIII | lost of people want it i would |
| 19:20.00 | _abc_ | DGMurdockIII: have you used it on anything so far? In what context? |
| 19:20.04 | blinkdog | it looks like the systemd dependency is about managing the media daemon |
| 19:20.35 | _abc_ | The political nature of that package imo puts it in the pulseaudio+jack category. |
| 19:21.30 | _abc_ | blinkdog: did you look at code? I mean what is this really used for? It is infrastructure for docked containers / flatpaks ? Or used with realtime video acquisition and editing or what? |
| 19:21.49 | _abc_ | The former is server/blade function usually, the latter could appear even in android phones soon enough. |
| 19:21.50 | blinkdog | I've cloned it from github and am reviewing the source now |
| 19:24.11 | blinkdog | The technical description is here: https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/raw/master/doc/design.txt |
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| 19:27.24 | golinux | gnome-shell video provider? Really? |
| 19:30.52 | DPA | I once heared it was designed to allow audio and video software to be containerized. |
| 19:34.59 | blinkdog | pipewire seems built on "spa" (Simple Plugin API) which seems to be this: |
| 19:35.00 | blinkdog | https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/events/gstreamer-conference/2016/Wim%20Taymans%20-%20Simple%20Plugin%20API%20(SPA).pdf |
| 19:40.27 | blinkdog | Two weeks ago, it looks like someone requested a Debian package: |
| 19:40.28 | blinkdog | https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/issues/23 |
| 19:40.36 | blinkdog | No response on that though |
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| 21:29.16 | aitor | hi |
| 21:37.10 | aitor | i'm uploading the latest live-sdk sources and an iso of gnuinos 2 openbox: |
| 21:37.12 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%202.00%20Jessie/ |
| 21:37.41 | aitor | there are still some minor improvements pending |
| 21:38.36 | aitor | you can test the sources in devuan jessie amd64 (come extra packages are not available yet for i386) |
| 21:40.03 | aitor | install all the dependencies included in the builddeps file, and also the squashfs-tools (THIS LAST ONE FROM ASCII) |
| 21:40.15 | aitor | and run: |
| 21:40.28 | aitor | sudo su (or su) |
| 21:40.32 | aitor | zsh -f |
| 21:40.36 | aitor | source sdk |
| 21:40.47 | aitor | load devuan amd64 gnuinos-openbox |
| 21:40.54 | aitor | build_iso_dist |
| 21:43.22 | aitor | quote: you can't use it in ascii, because the downloaded sources of d-i would be pulled from ascii and they would not build succesfully with the kernel of jessie |
| 21:43.36 | aitor | so, build jessie in jessie and ascii in ascii :) |
| 21:45.38 | aitor | the iso includes: palemoon, claws-mail, simple-netaid, pmount (with the usb-pmount.sh and usb-unmount.sh scripts), yad... |
| 21:46.27 | aitor | i'll replace udev by vdev, but i need to do some changes in the sources for that |
| 21:47.15 | aitor | the iso is uploaded: http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%202.00%20Jessie/ |
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| 21:52.50 | aitor | bye :) |
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